Fifth Gear Web TV - Fiat 500 TwinAir
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- With only two cylinders and 875cc , the 500 TwinAir effectively only has half an engine. In this video, Graham takes this new 500 on a mixed terrain driving route to find out how economical it is and whether or not it can cope as well as it's siblings on Britain's roads. For more videos, news and reviews go to fwd.five.tv/fifth-gear
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Average of 45mpg in freezing cold snowing conditions is good - fuel consumption can be 20% more than in 20C dry conditions due to increased rolling resistance, air resistance, air intake temperture and greater lubricant viscosity in winter. Not to mention lower fuel energy density as it is mixed with additives to help cold starting. Expect 55-60mpg for the same trip in dry summer conditions which isn't far off the actual claims.
I've driven one, what a fantastic, charismatic engine. Never had the chance to test it out of town but it more than held its own around town, very nippy and surprisingly fast away from the traffic lights, actually got pulled over by the police!
I drive this car and on roads like the ones at the video i can reach 2.5 lt/100km.Fiat created a pure diamond engine and criticism from frivolous journalists who aren't able to drive correctly is outrageous.
112MPG 😂😂
You're full of shit.
WTF?? 2.5 ltrs per 100? thats amazing! ive got a fiat 500 1.2L turbo diesel and it gets 3.6L/100km and i thought that was awesome, does your 2cyl struggle to go up hills?
Did the odometer on the test car show only 1914 miles? (2:32) MPG should improve quite a bit once the engine has been run in properly.
That's the model I have with the 18 inch alloys and metallic paint, it's an experience to drive especially in dynamic mode, sounds awesome
Most Mpg or litres/100km ratings are based on ideal driving conditions. Freezing weather will always cut your fuel economy almost in half in most cases. Particularly in places like Canada or Scandinavia.
pretty good review, seems that every review i see of the twin air see's the factory's mpg figures way off but they all like the car
It was made engine of the year in the Top Gear magazine.
Everyone's got something to say, but you can't fault this review.
Well done.
Krykee. The British have more character than the rest of us.
Brilliant.
Its crikey
How was average speed?
@kirkeer
I agree, Top Gear is pure entertainment for people that like cars with close to no useable information whatsoever. Fifth Gear TV is entertainment with a certain amount of valuable information included and Fifth Gear Web TV is valuable information that actually might help you to decide on bying a certain car.
@monkeyboy85 if you drive it carefully is the 5,1Lt/100km a realistic goal or not?
It's a even firing or odd firing 2 cyclimders? Both piston TDC?
And how often do you hit 60mph in a city?
What about fuel consumption? Thanks
Great overview, cheers.
Great review! Well done
@toyota420xp Cold air is denser than warm air so the engine takes in more air when it is cold. Making the engine more efficient, and more economical when the air is cold. That is why intercoolers are fitted to turbo engines.
I j fairly recently bought the 85bhp version it performs almost as well as a XR2 96 bhp (non injection) i owned in the 90s . XR2 0 -60 10.2 sec top speed 110 mph .
Fiat 500 twin air 85bhp 0 -62mph 11 sec top speed 107mph .My little Fiat holds the road just as well and spends less time at the Petrol pump with an average of 56 mph in Eco mode driving on the IOW
Also keep in mind that this was through the snow where the tires have to push snow out of their way as well so I'm thinking that MIXED driving mpgs would be around 50 or 50+ MPGs, and lets not forget that the european was of testing miles per gallon is quite optomistic.
The roads didn't have snow on them..
Ive got this car and drive it in eco mode ALL of the time. It's still pretty fast in eco mode, still has the gruff engine note but gets about 60-70mpg on a flat road when you get used to driving it properly. Hills kills the fuel ecconomy as does any kind of acceleration. Very smooth driving is needed. Out of eco mode you can still get nearly 60mpg once you're upto speed.
My old Colt 1.3 Mivec will get 60 mpg on the flat with a light foot and is faster than a Twinair
I got a twin-air now, had a 1.4 before they are great cars and as regards to fuel consumption the twin air does use a bit of fuel not as much as my 1.4 did but not too far off!... i think i give it about 20 euro a week.
D:
Damn, I'm putting 40 euro per month and it's an inconvenient strain every time!
@scginda803 I drive a Fiesta with 82 bhp and 1.25 litres, 0-60 in about 13 seconds and it's surprising how quick it actually is.
45.58 miles / galon. what is that in liter/ 100 km?
The Alfa Mito has the 105bhp version of this engine and regularly gets 55mpg
well, i am happy with my punto twinair, it is indeed a sound you have to get used to, but i like it, a lot! indeed it is not the best in it's petrol consuming, but i use it in a normal fashion, and i cannot complain. but then again, i use the ECO mode a lot, and i only switch i t off to have some fun...
To achieve good mpg figures with the Twin air requires a very light throttle and thoughtful use of the gears.
I've had around 58mpg with my Fiat Panda 4x4 Twin air, same engine as this 500 but my Panda has the extra 4x4 drive train and I'm running all season tyres which have increased rolling resistance, so not the best for mpg efficiency! Also I think the Panda is a little heavier than the 500 and I didn't use eco mode to get those figures but my Panda does have a 6 speed gearbox.
I achieved 58mpg on a long run with lot's of 6th gear cruising at around 50mph.
If I'm driving around town with lots of lower gear driving with increased acceleration etc I can get the mpg down to mid 30s easily⚠️😯😁😎👍
I can get 37mpg from my Megane RS and just bought a 2013 4x4 Twinair Panda so looking forward to what I can get out of it
@@Mouse2113 Honestly you'll enjoy the TA, it's a lot of fun when you figure out how it drives and where the torque and power is.
It's almost like a performance bike engine but not as high revving, with a surprising amount of low down grunt.
Trust me you can get the mpg figures down to mid 30s with a heavy right foot revving it through the gears but with some practise you can have it driving along on the whiff of a throttle, using all 6 geqrs and keeping that engine in the sweet spot is the key, still making good progress and easily get mid 50s mpg.
Expect mid to high 40s around town.
Also that engine note is very addictive, you quickly forget it's only a low capacity twin cylinder engine, it drives like a sporty 1.2 4 cylinder in a small light weight car 85bhp is plenty!
Between 2k and 3k revs in the highest gears possible is the optimum for fuel economy, after 3k to 4k the power kicks in and beyond that is where the grin inducing bit happens but the fuel economy quickly goes downhill.
Since the new E10 fuel came out I swapped over to Tesco momentum with is a premium E5 unleaded, a bit more expensive but the Twinair luvs it, might be just be me but it feels like it's gained just a little extra power, wishful thinking maybe!
@@pdtech4524 thanks for the feedback. I'll probably play about with Momentum as I use it all the time in the Megane, the E10 fuel sounds crap!
I think the addictive noise is why most don't get required mpg combined with braking too much. I use a lot of engine braking and anticipation and my Megane went over 50k on original discs all round. I had access to a twinair 500 and it sounded great. I drove the Panda (albeit not the one I'm buying) the other day and also surprised how well it handled for a tall box. It's so much fun
@@Mouse2113 I switched over to E10 from regular E5 unleaded in my focus 2.0 duratec and it's just lost its edge, just feels a bit lacking, a bit bland now and I'm using more mpg due to having to put my foot down more to get the same amount of go and the price of fuel still goes up yet there is less petrol on it!!
That's why I don't use it in my Panda it needs every bit of it's 85bhp!
They're just a fun, quirky cars, don't see many about, gets a lot of attention when parked up, it's a talking point sometimes and I just enjoy driving it more.
Prefer the higher seating position and easy parking, round town and in the city it's perfect.
Not had any issues at all in ours put over 10k miles on it so it's on around 45k now, just make sure you give them plenty of oil changes, make sure it's correct grade the twinair is very fussy and check oil level regular, low oil is bad as the intake valves rely on oil pressure to activate!
To be fair they don't use much oil only take 3.2 litres so oil changes are cheap, servicing is very cheap only 2 spark plugs lol and not much else....
£30 a year tax low insurance so running costs are minimal.
Great little weekend adventure car, been on loads of camping trips and it's surprising what you can get in it....😎👍
@@pdtech4524my new one has done 45k, serviced every year since new, diff oil done etc. and only advisory in its life were the front discs, but it comes with new discs and pads all round so it's been well looked after.
I probably will stick with the momentum after all
@safijunior according to google its 5.16047791 liters per 100km. Pretty nice if you ask me
@MrKiR0 Please, not the same category. But if you say you can fit your 2.2l (I assume diesel) engine into this small car, I will salute you! Cheers.
I have the MiTo twin air 105 bhp, it's really an entertaining drive, goes much better and more economically on super unleaded, but I do drive it spiritedly! It's easy to have the mpg in the low 30s, once with my foot down in dynamic mode it was registering 8mpg! Barmy! A price to pay for a great drive
Is the 105bhp twinair with or without a turbo?
@@flaccid4338 with turbo, some lag but you get used to it
@@martinhawkins5506 I'm down for turbo lag. It reminds me it's there. Just thinking of buying a 0.9L twinair sportiva
@@martinhawkins5506 what's the pressure of the turbo?
@@flaccid4338 no idea, not that technical, only a small turbo compared to others I've seen, gives it around 25 bhp boost
@fuhQ2129 Actually, it gets 6 something mpg in eco mode. But yeah, most people wont drive it in eco mode, so you'll be averaging about 38mpg - according to Jeremy Clarkson
@safijunior 68 miles per gallon this one makes (when you drive it light)
@monkeyboy85
sorry bout that, it was 875cc not 500cc.
@AdrianC12345 You have to do a conversion to US Gallons to see where it really stacks up.
@dtoften who said he isnt one?
85hp is not a lot but it is ok. i like it? how much. the escort in america had about 80 and the geo metro had maybe 65. I like the 65 mpg. it sounds sporty to.
@scginda803
Yes but you don't have to content with £1.20/litre prices in the usa.
Which in your pricing is: $7.07/Gallon
With the cost of fuel, screw speed I would rather be able to afford to actually drive somewhere.
@safijunior
19.38 KM/L (5.16 L/100KM).
@jackojeff u are so right but not many paople can understand this.
I`ve been underwhelmed by the fuel economy in my twinair, averaging 34mpg, over 10mpg worse than the 1.1 Uno it replaced, however, I love the noise it makes, & the power delivery is excellent, & like the Uno`s (& many other small Fiats I`ve owned before it) I`ve had no mechanical issues or breakdowns in it in the 3 years I`ve had it (currently at 51,000 miles). I`m waiting for someone to throw this engine in a 126, THAT would be hilarious level of fun!
My Abarth 500 would have done just as well MPG wise on the same route, and that has almost double the power!
Very interesting review of a odd engine.
Fifth Gear working good!
Thanks for the vid!
@willthis1do The concept of drawing in cooler air to produce more power is correct but this can not come at the cost of proper operating temperature. If the engine is too cold, you lose power due to internal resistances. Too hot, the engine loses power and can eventually burn up.
Never heard so much rubbish
@safijunior 19.40 km/liter
I got 60 MPG on a 120 mile trip, in winter, in a 2016 Fiat 500 0.9 TwinAir.
WOW most i got from my non-turbo 66hp version Panda Twinair was 53mpg...
@@samuelsammut3435 Thats not bad at all! The Panda is a little bigger too? I'm really super impressed with how little gas the little 500 uses! And this was without almost any highway driving too 😁
@@Coolcowvalley yes it's BRILLIANT but I'm trying to see the maximum mpg and 53mpg with me is the limit. Oh well. I agree i love the engine.
@safijunior about 19km with 1lt
@Jetbrowse It might be possible but there won't be much space for the driver :D
@tgseason12 Building a diesel hybrid is a nightmare, especially if you want to have stop&start because because the compression factor in diesels is astronomical - that's why they have all their torque.
Sure it can be done but it can't be cheap anymore.
I drove one of these for two years. A true zoom car.
its very cold out so the mpgs will suffer greatly. seriously i think he could add 5-10 more mpg if it was summer
why dont they combine the 2 cylinder with hybrite?
they have gone fullelectric with it ,i guess thats why!
Because the twin air isn't clean in the slightest. To get more power out of cylinders needs more pressure and temperature. Like diesels, that creates a lot more wear and tear (and eventual oil consumption), Nitrous Oxides are a more dangerous result of this.
Most hybrids use under powered petrol engines that have an unusable, low torque below 2000 rpm. This isn't normally a problem as electric motors have a lot of toruqe from 0-2000 rpm so they balance out. They're called atkinsons, they're more efficient and cheaper than diesels or turbo petrols. How it works, instead of squeezing as much air and as little fuel as possible to get power, atkinsons use the most out of the little amount of burning fuel to push down the piston. In truth, the piston during the actual compression stroke travels less along the cylinder than the full travel it travels down when the fuel ignites. So, it's like pistons in an atkinson have more room to stretch than compress.
All that and the Fiat CEO is an egotistical idiot.
Yep, and intercoolers are completely pointless too I suppose?
It's not a matter of engines. Its physics.
Cold air is more dense, therefore you can get more into the cylinder.
I wish they would bring the TwinAir to Canada. I would be driving one now if it were available at the time when I bought my 1.4.
The 1.4 is the better engine
68 mpg is the vehicles highway mileage rating not it's mixed average rating.
Will we see this Fiat in Australia though?
YES. I bought one. It is FANTASTIC.
(Melbourne, Victoria)
The only thing I am worried about is that the forces on the individual cilinders is probably higher than in a car with more cilinders when using the same driving style. What will this do for wear? Will this last as long as the other, more traditional, engines?
The turbo's are both the solution AND the problem.
The engine by itself isn't powerful enough to get you moving, but it is powerful enough to KEEP you moving.
As long as the engine only has to KEEP you moving, the turbo's are not working and you don't use a lot of fuel, however, when you are in city traffic with a lot of stopping, starting and accelerating, the turbo's are almost constantly on, making the engine use way more fuel.
@safijunior cca 5.16 l / 100km
I do really like this, and i drive a 20 yr old BMW E30..
@jasongrim it's coming real soon!!
£10.5k seems like rather a lot for something this small with just 85bhp that only does 45mpg. I'd love to know where manufacturers get those figures from because thats only 2/3 of what they claim.
Search '' put kusadak azanja '' it is the road in serbia with so many potholes that you can not evade them even if you drive monocycle , i tried .
@safijunior 20 KM\L
Yeah? Try telling that to the Daihatsu Coure/Mira Avanzato TR-XX R4 or the Ariel Atom ;D
The original 500 had only 2 cylinders, was air cooled, rear engined, and only 498cc, so the new Fiat “500” is much quicker.
Do you have difficulties reading? I said NOT (look up those words please) a ferrari. Fyi I'm not british and I drive a R32, and I'd still say the fiat has plenty of power for a car of that size and price, because people interested in buying that sort of car want a small car most likely for driving in city's. And for that sort of thing it has PLENTY OF POWER.
In Europe they do. There's a tax on the car of it has high CO2 emission.
Great engine.used to work for fiat these are so much more fun than the 1.2.4 pot.around town 44 mpg the 60mpg is a myth
Hi just seen your comment hope don't mind me asking you worked fiat just bought my wife twin air are engines good
No it sounds like an old singer sewing machine. We love ours. Brilliant little car, such a poky car.
The car doesnt cost more to buy just because it has a higher displacement. Problem is that after import costs etc a mustang is much more expensive when it gets here, than what it costs in the US (for instance a gt500 is as expensive as a m3). 'm not trying to trashtalk american cars (although I still think a V6 in a mustang is crap, you want a mustang for its v8), Im simply trying to explain that "plenty of power" doesn't mean it has to be a racecar. Btw, US gallon is not same as imperial gallon
@Mr1wd Maybe because there's more technology and money put on develop that small engine
15.3 km/l if you consider UK gallon, 19 km/l if you consider US gallon.
which is the right one?!
I’be got a 2019 panda cross with same engine. Great car and more fun than my focus st. But I struggle to get 45 mpg with mostly 60 Mph duel carriageway driving. In fact my 1.8 140 bhp petrol civic is more economical.
I have a punto twinair and his final statement is so tue :)
is it air cooled or water cooled? does the start/stop aspect have over ride switch??
It is water cooled. I expect it has over ride for the start/stop system, since my Punto using the same engine has one.
cant get it here. i called fiat. no diesel, no twin air. boooooooooooooo
Air cools the water ;-)
About fuel consumption you must learn the sweet spot of your car I own a punto hgt on hwy I can easily get 6.5 liters per 100klms. Even better now running lpg on hwy burns less lpg than when running petrol
My Panda twin air can easily get 4.9 liters per 100 km. The twin air engine runs at its best around 1900 o/min.
0-60 at 11 secs would get you a ticket in the US. It would also probably reward you with lots of middle fingers and there are even people who try to wash windshields at the stop light. Going that slow you will not be able to get away from them.
they forget to tell you that they havent fully ran the engine in so that contributes to a lack of power and lower mpg. nice of them to bad mouth the cars purpose when the engine isnt even running properly yet.
but thats in Norway
to be honest, most cars can't get their claimed mpg anyways right... but 45 that doesnt sound too great... i can almost get 40 with my cooper, so in a car with 1/2 an engine, more should be expected..
he was driving in town with light and such.....and then took it on the b-roads and then the motorway.....that was pretty good.......he would have got a better overall average if he would have drove it more that 50 miles.
@kibcubed Why? Superbikes have lighter, more powerful engines already.
I think it leaves your test a bit shit tbh. Everybody know's that on bollock freezing days you always get worse MPG. Am sure it didn't help having your dipped headlights on during the day?!? Add to that the heating and poss the demister it's gonna knock the figures right out.
As for the idea of 2 cylinders I think it's brilliant. I drove a car years back with 3 cylinders with a little turbo on it and the mpg to power ratio was great. Think it was a Daihatsu Charade or something?
@safijunior Google for mpg to l/100 online converter. BTW this little fiat gives 3.64 highway / 4.55 city / 3.99 combined in l/100. Fiat 500 1.3 multijet is even better ...
Most of all,
I like the colour!!
New Nissan Micra 1.2 Supercharged engine is also 95g/km but has 97bhp and 105lb ft....
@55kgwarming Historically a better/safer bet to own than a Fiat!
Everyone will get different figures on mpg to be completely honest, because everyone drives differently. Some know how to drive to maximise fuel usage, some THINK they know how to maximize fuel usage and some will just assume that eco is a magic button, so driving sensibly(in terms of fuel usage) isn't really given much thought.
Thing is though .. if you drove gentle on b roads i bet it would do 70mpg. Little twin must be working hard on the motorway .
wow!!! i love FIAT500
Hmm, now that we are getting these in the US I think they should sell this here, they'd sell loads because people could get about 40-50 real world MPGs and still drive on gas!!!
it sounds like fiat 126 p thats the biggest plus of this car! i love it :)
Now you'd think that when doing a half decent car review, they'd take the time to wipe the road mud and grime off the engine bay cover......considering the main differentiator (and hence the main video shots) will show the engine bay.
Casi 18 kpl es un muy buen consumo !!
@Vagmonster666
From your profile you are a 20 y/o US citizen, so i'm not surprised you don't see the point of this car.
Believe me when i tell you that the reality of big metropolis in the old continent truly justifies the need for this type of cars.
Me i drive a 2000 Nissan Primera saloon with an LPG conversion, but i live well away from any big city.
It's an absolute nightmare when i do have to go to a big city.
A VW Polo is as big as i'd ever want to drive in that situation.
19.3780502 kilometers per liter.. :)
a small engine with less cylinders cost more than a bigger engine???
Yes, because it has a turbo, which adds £$£$£$£
6,2litres per 100km
UK program UK Imperial Gallons not US gallons Certainly not as good as the 4 per 100km being claimed
85HP on 2 cylinder 875cc...WOW.
It has a turbo, that's why.... although the useless reviewer completely forget to mention it.
@D41H4T5U *sigh* your car is run in, that is not. You don't even know the route that he did or how stop start it was......