The fact he thinks that way makes it clear he might be a dangerous person to be near. All women should avoid him at all costs cause he might actually do something disgusting.
I'd like to know what would happen if he tried to initiate causal sex with a woman and she tells him, "I don't have casual sex with men because I don't want to risk being assaulted."
I've been trying to articulate this for years. I got sexually harassed a while back and got a "well you shouldn't have..." out of it, and you explained why it pissed me off so much better than I could. I'm glad I have the language to communicate that now.
“I went to the grocery store. While there, a man showed up, robbed it and killed five people. If I hadn’t gone to the store, I wouldn’t have experienced this.” ^^ There is no circumstance on the planet where a victim-blaming weakling won’t find *something.* Glad that you have wrapped your mind around it, because there is *no such thing* as a perfect victim. Because no one has foresight or premonition, as far as I know.
This is what happens when you make ‘winning by any means necessary’ the ultimate goal of online debate. People lose their humanity and view someone saying something like “I was raped” as nothing more than an attempt to discredit them.
At first I was assuming Destiny might be doing this to drum up interest, I haven't heard anything from him recently. By the end it was more like he decided to tactically nuke himself in an attempted false flag operation gone badly wrong...
Think youre spot on here. Same with the few destiny stans I've been seeing in the comment section - they do not care about the ramifications of what they say nor do they have any empathy for the victims, they just want to "win" so they can feel superior. Gross behavior
Social media has turned a lot of people into insufferable inepts obsessed with having the last word, the perfect comeback line and the right argument. So much so that the nuance needed to understand the levity of any social issue is completely drowned out in favour of wit-measuring contests. I'm so sick of debate-culture. It's so easy to take a rethorical stance from the sidelines, running your mouth about ultimately useless crap like "fallacies" and "sources" while the real issue happens. I'd rather prioritize the opinions of people whose investment in any social matter extends beyond "haha I'm right and you're wrong, stupid".
Exactly. He is unable to see her admission of past trauma as anything other than some argument in a debate he has to then counter or discredit. The guy really needs to touch grass and rediscover a bit of humanity.
This is basically the equivalent of when a family dies in a car accident because some drunk driver lost control and Destiny says “maybe that family shouldn’t be driving around casually”
What’s even more annoying is that Destiny is calling her story into question because how often she’s been assaulted, but people who have been SAed once are at higher risk of being SAed again. As much as x35.
@@AlexAustralis what first comes to mind is that certain behaviours increase your likelyhood of being sexually assaulted and in general people continue the same behaviours, for instance people who go to parties are at higher risk and they continue to go to parties compared to people who never leave the house, or people who form relationships with abusive people and continue to do so (or stay with the person), people who frequently engage is random sexual activity vs people who don't. Probably other significant factors too. People shouldn't have to change their behaviour when it's something as innocuous as going out late etc.
@@bruhxd253 can't tell if you're serious or are meming off of D's take. But if it's the first one and you're seriously asking, try following this hypothetical: Imagine that something akin to these statistics existed for people who were hit by drunk drivers running red lights through no fault of their own (it's 30x more likely to happen again after the first time). Would you tell the people who were hit to stop driving - something that is a very common and (for some) enjoyable activity? Of course you wouldn't - it is a borderline necessary part of human life for many people - the problem is the drunk drivers. Even though you could find a way to push the blame onto the victim of the unethical and dangerous behaviour by saying something like "Well maybe if you'd still looked both ways before you went," every sensible person should be able to see the error with that line of thinking. Sure, there might be small things that you could do to lessen the chance of a crash or sexual assault, but the onus shouldn't be on the victim - we shouldn't have to worry about people sneakily removing condoms mid-sex, nor should we have to worry about behing hit by people who are driving while drunk, because they are all behaviours that any reasonable adult should find abhorrent, dangerous, and unethical. Victims should not be the ones facing punishment for the heinous actions of others.
@@AlexAustralis I haven't looked it up, but my guess would be in part that most people are assaulted by people they know. In that scenario, it becomes obvious how multiple assaults would take place at such a high rate. Also, sexual abuse can mess with your ability to function in various ways, leaving you vulnerable in ways you might not have been before. If you're being repeatedly targeted by one person, they're going to leverage your first assault against you in order to make it easier to do it again. If it is multiple different assaults, it may be that the victimization has made you more vulnerable to attack; victimizers may even be sharing information on who they targeted with each other.
The extent that he laughed, like to the point he was nearly crying, about someone very vulnerably sharing a serious story about their assault, is disgusting. He is worthless to me. Absolutely nasty. He clearly has a problem with women just having sex at all and refuses to admit it. There's no justifying what he's said or done.
@@alewis17 If you are replying to the OP, there is no proper context of laugh-till-tears for someone talking about the SA. It was irrelevant, therefor funny?
Hearing Destiny laugh twice at this person's confession of past trauma and also the idea that maybe they had been subjected to sexual assault twice in row is honestly the most vile thing I've heard in a while. How can someone go so far? I legit cannot understand it.
Another thing that I think needs to be mentioned, Destiny's claim to " Not have casual sex at all" is doubly invalid because a PARTNER could do this to you too! You could be in a relationship, ask your partner not to stealth and they do it anyway and you stay with them because you're dependent on them or you're afraid to leave. You could even ONLY have sex with intimate long term partners, split up with them after they assault you, and still have a problem when another partner does it! "Not having casual sex" IS NOT the answer here. 😒
The culture around casual sex (or "hookup culture" more broadly) is EXTREMELY conducive to assaults, sexism and objectification though, just due to the way companies have managed to commodify even that part of life (tinder etc) and alienate people from those relationships for profit. Not having casual sex, at least not in the way it's done in our culture, is great advice, though given for extremely wrong reasons here.
@@Tacklepig eh I think your putting sex into too sacred or special a place I’m with V in that it’s an activity it being commodified sucks but like the commodification of bowling and card games sucks a similar amount and I don’t think anyone would say you should abstain from those because of how commodified they are and how going outside increases your likelihood of being assaulted. Stigmatizing casual sex isn’t gonna help people and will make victims feel invalidated or guilty for doing something they have every right to do
9:24 This is absolutely correct. As an abuse survivor, there’s a ton of things I could have done to either prevent or mitigate my abuse. When I talk with other abuse survivors, I will *SOMETIMES* in *NARROW* contexts explore the ways that we could have avoided/mitigated the abuse. But what is always made clear even in those contexts is that the abuse perpetrated against us was ALWAYS and ONLY the fault of the abuser. Pretending otherwise is a fantasy perpetuated by abuse apologists.
Anyone pretending otherwise is stupidly arguing that the perpetrator has no agency while the victim has super-agency (control over their personal actions and those of the abuser). Which is just.... wtf???
It’s wild to me that people try to tell victims they should have done x y or z. Oh really, omg I totally didn’t think through every second of the assault, thinking of everything that I could have done different. People who victim blame have clearly never experienced trauma or, if they have, completely lack self-awareness.
Another example of Destiny double, triple, quadruple, quintupling down and literally doing anything other than just admitting he was wrong and had a bad take.
Has there ever been a case where destiny admitted fault? Nay, has he ever even shown HUMILITY? This isn't a rhetorical question, i've almost never heard something positive about him.
It's honestly disgusting how Destiny is essentially pulling the "you're a victim because you let him do it" card. I genuinely hope he takes some time to reflect on his values after this heinous take
Another point he (Destiny) totally missed is that a high percentage of rapist the "fight" is what they like and are wanting. There was a serial killer/rapist that even talked about this (I believe this was mentioned in Peter Vronsky's book) he said that he was raping this girl and she started going with it like she liked it and it turned him off and he stopped and let her go. Many rapist do it because of power. Edit to add, this is in the same line as women poking holes in condoms. We could easily say "well the man shoulda supplied his own protection" which is ludicrous.
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At the end he brings up that Destiny is wrong on all levels, even technically!
Stealthing by default is bad, and by definition non-consensual; saying a woman needed to verbally protest at the time to legitimize her later complaint about it is disingenuous and dangerous.
I think another big problem with destiny's arguments is that he conflates maturity with confidence and being confrontational which, in my opinion is pretty much just peak toxic masculinity. but it also puts victims in a situation where they need to be held to a frankly impossible standard, where they basically have to always make an attempt to confront abusers regardless of the circumstances even when such actions could be lead to fatal outcomes, or else they're weak and it's their fault. it'd be like saying a mugging victim was a weak pussy and shouldn't go outside because they didn't work out, train in self defense and act tough enough to deter from being mugged, and subsequently didn't try hard enough to disarm the mugger. it's literally just garden variety victim blaming.
Even in your mugging example, that still doesn't work! My partner is 6'3", bearded and stocky and has been mugged several times. I don't know why people feel the need to blame the victim, no matter the circumstances rather than talk about the actual problem - the shitty people perpetrating these awful behaviours.
I hadn't even considered the toxic masculinity aspect but I think you're right. He can't even imagine a scenario where a sexual encounter could lead to a risk of his life. He truly lives is a separate reality and it must be nice.
As someone who has issues with confrontation, the whole "if you dont try to resist abuse, its your fault", is so infuriating. I guess I deserve to be sexually assaulted because I'm shy now 🙄. And one of the times I DID confront a man, he continued to assault me anyway 😒
If the only way to stop someone from being assaulted is to "victim blame" then fine! Being sexually violated sucks i am well aware of that but being so scared to arm potential victims with the knowledge to decrease the likelihood of getting violated cause it might come off as victim blamey is pretty shitty.
This is probably the worst Destiny has been in recent memory, and his community is calling him out REALLY hard. Like. Only 10-20% of his subreddit is defending him at all.
Literally this happens to men as well, it happens to everyone if you're being sexually assaulted. Fuck destiny's take, its sick and disgusting. Yeah, in certain situations you should be careful around hookups and one night stands, but it should be the norm to not put blame on the VICTIM!!!
@@Ass_of_Amalek no vaush specifically stopped laughing after luna mentioned her grandparents getting hurt. Destiny laughed AFTER hearing about a woman being raped.
So? Do you think noncompete likes Destiny? Destiny literally already did that to Luna first. If anything NC is criticising Vaush specifically because of Destiny.
when i was reading about this drama and i saw the "i told him no and he raped me harder" tweet I literally felt sick to my stomach and had to step away for a moment. Seeing Destiny just laugh at it here is insane. She did exactly what he said to do and proved his point was stupid and he just laughs at her
Genuinely just so disheartening... the fact that this woman has to defend herself at all when she was the one raped, let alone getting laughed at for it
Tbf yes could have been the safe word she just never asked his boundaries. She really does have to stop having casual sex though if what she says is true.
I'm 6'1 and 250 lbs. While at a gay bar with my gf a drunk man much smaller than me started forcefully kissing me. I had never experienced anything like this. I backed away, clearly showing I wasn't interested, but he persisted, and my mind was racing on what I was supposed to do. He did end up making contact with my lips briefly because I just didn't think quickly enough to push him off of me. It all happened in under 10 seconds. It can happen to anybody, and just because you don't make a sound decision for whatever reason doesn't mean it's your fault or that you wanted it.
Literally that shit happens so quick nobody can predict what they'll do in that situation. I'm so sorry that happened to you my man, but to have experienced that and see dumbasses online justify victim blaming? Our society is broken tbh. Shit need to change and evolve cause this is just unacceptable.
@@TheeSinnerman I'm totally fine; I literally only invoke this because it technically qualifies as sexual assault and I like to get across the point that even those with the capacity to defend themselves often freeze up in the moment.
I think it's important to point out that freezing up is a flight or fight response, which happens totally involuntarily in a lot of situations. "Fight or flight" is actually a misnomer, because the normal acute stress responses are actually fight, flight, freeze or befriend.
@@jaybee27D It is to seek out others for protection. That other could be the person threatening you, so trying to appease them by saying "I'll do whatever you want", going along with their demands, stuff like that. Like in the movie Fury with Brad Pitt, the soldiers take a family hostage and the daughter of the family sleeps with the youngest soldier, which is how he loses his virginity. Both the movie and the audience treat that scene as consensual, but if that were to happen in real life that would be a befriend response to a life or death situation, not consensual sex.
Utterly vile. Seriously fucked. How has he not even received a temp ban over this? People getting banned for using the word cracker, but this guy gets off scot-free with takes like these? Come on.
Destiny is demonitised on Twitch, which is where people were banned for saying cracker; This is on Twitter. Destiny is also banned on Twitter, this is his alt.
@Norseman Yeah, I was just trying to simplify it for the OP. As far as I know demonotised isn't a thing on twitch? But It's something everyone on TH-cam understands, whereas partnership contract might be confusing. My original comment said he was "banned", but I edited that because I think that was too innacurate. My main point was that they are confusing twitch and twitter.
This poor person was just sharing an uncomfortable thing that happened to her, and some TOL dipshits fucken dragged her out into the streets to berate her. She didn't even call anyone out in particular, she just shared a violating experience that she went through, and these weirdos turned it into a fucking drama storm
The debate he had with Hanz is somehow even worse than I expected, Destiny literally laughing derisively at someone saying “I said no and he raped me harder” and calling it “a stupid fucking bullshit argument” Destiny is indefensible as a person, I'm 100% earnest when I say he needs some fucking empathy training
Ya, kind of ironic for Destiny, considering he loves to use hypotheticals that include "r*pe cages". Yet he completely dismisses a survivors lived experience as a "bad argument".
@@ComradeCatpurrnicus Tbh I think his inability to back off of this take despite his previous takes being incompatible with this new one, is a symptom of an injured ego. He doesn't want to back off because then he'd have to admit he's wrong. He can't do that so he's compelled to angrily dig the hole as far as it goes. He does this ALL the time.
@@nackskott12 Ya he loves to hold his ground and die on ridiculous hills, even when it conflicts with his past views. Yet he also loves to tout his "consistency". The only thing he's consistent with nowadays with is being vile and inconsistent.
He has such a fragile and huge ego that if he accidentally supported the Holocaust and got called out for it, he'd go full JQ on them because he can't move on from a mistake and has to double down on everything he says.
@@nackskott12 Sounds like the social worker bullshit all over again. He made a completely stupid argument but refuses to back off admit it's fking stupid.
Sorry but even this is too charitable for my liking. Destiny isnt even "technically correct" here. If she wasnt even aware of what was happening then obviously her consent given on false pretenses was taken advantage of without her notice. I wouldn't say telling an SA victim that they shouldn't have dressed a certain way is "technically correct" either. How you're dressed doesn't necessarily increase your likelihood of being raped. Yes there are things you can do increase your self defense like never walking off alone, not going to peoples rooms while you're blackout drunk, bringing your own drinks and watching them at all times etc but even they arent the fault of the victims. Some people do all of these things and still get assaulted.
Exactly. I think that the sequence of events here has been assumed. To me, it seems more likely that she did not realise what had happened until after the event.
The point was that while being "technically correct" he was still morally wrong. If you focus on him being incorrect it implies he would've been morally right if only he hadn't been incorrect; not true. It wasn't a justification, it was a stronger condemnation.
Silence is not consent, especially with condoms. I couldn’t even fathom doing something like that to a woman, let alone pretending it’s HER fault. Communicate with your sexual partners! This is just misogyny. Nothing more.
@@jatsko3113 I have an uncommon experience with this, I had a girlfriend who would hurt herself just because she thought it would make me happy. Communication goes both ways, and I'm in favour of telling women to communicate, just for the love of christ don't ducking tell a victim they could've communicate their way out of it.
@@PropheticShadeZ What's even worse is how common it is for women to not even view their discomfort as something wrong. Sacrificing our wants, needs and desires in order to not rock the boat or to make other happy is very much part of the female experience.
I'm sorry, but what the fuck do you actually want? I never fucking asked anyone to sacrifice anything, and I remember repeatedly asking women i was with over the years and getting nowhere. Maybe cut your expectations of mind reading just a tad and work with the other person instead of decrying your female experience
destiny and mindwaves also make the assumption that it happened during "casual sex" when that wasn't stated by the woman at all. this could have been someone she was in a relationship with, which also complicates things further.
also, it's pretty fucked up that they believe stealthing and/or other forms of abuse should be expected when having casual sex. "Casual" doesn't necesssarily mean you don't know the person at all, first and foremost, it could be a person with whom you've been "casually" sleeping with for months, and second, even if you didn't know them they're STILL A FUCKING R4PIST, HOW DOES ONE REACH THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS BEHAVIOUR IS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE/NORMAL/EXPECTED BECAUSE THE VICTIM WAS A STRANGER? THEY WOULD PROBABLY DO THIS TO MANY OTHER PEOPLE IF THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT, EVEN IF THEY KNEW THEM! and may I add, how long would one have to wait to sleep with a person until it no longer qualifies as "casual" and the r4pe/ass4ult becomes inexcusable for these idiots???
If if was in a relationship it's even worse in my opinion. Nonetheless the entire situation is so fucked and Destiny is one fucked up person to even insinuate that she is to blame in that situation.
I have never really been shocked by a take before enough to just sit still and breathe for a moment. If it's awful it's usually some nebulous idea not told to anyone specific or they're awful enough that their words don't hold any value. This was awful. Genuinely disgusting. There is a human being who is hurting, who didn't ask for any opinions, just made a statement. Healing from assault is so hard because it strips you from the inside out of what makes you feel powerful when your body is violated like that. Any sexual urges just feel hollow and tainted. She healed enough to overcome that and is being attacked for existing and being almost slut shamed because of the amount of different men who assaulted her instead of being fucking disgusted by the absolute horror looking at that situation should give you. Three men. Three. My heart goes out for this girl. Genuinely.
@@jdprettynails also why most women just don't have partners either. It's just not safe or worth it if you just get blamed for everything. Don't play the game, cause you'll win stupid prizes.
"stop doing this men" on twitter. yeah that's cool that you can adress a whole gender but then be like "I wasn't asking for opinions" well then don't post it on a public forum.
@@mysticflow467 Women: Men, please stop sexually assaulting us. Men: Um...actually.... What the hell is your point exactly? Are women supposed to keep quiet and continue letting men get away with sexual assault?
@@jdprettynails my point is, that if I say: black men stop stealing. and then people reply to me, it would be very _____ of me to go "There is a human being who is hurting, who didn't ask for any opinions" / "I DIDN'T ASK FOR YOUR OPINIONS!" I can't even correctly fill in the blank, privileged? cosy? comfortable? self centred? ignorant? I'm just saying it sure must be nice to be able to say: "black men stop stealing" on twitter and then cry/complain about people replying to you. very snowflakey, people are allowed to type w/e they want but nobody can reply to them? my point. is that you shouldn't "make statements" about what other people do, and then say you didn't ask for replies. would you agree with this? should a nazi be able to go "all jews should die" on social media and then complain if people reply to them? that's all my point is. I think if that last part was left out, about "X group do this" then maybe people shouldn't be giving their un supportive opinions on the story.
Destiny is a genuinely vile and bad person, but this should have been obvious before this drama. Anyone who still supports him at this point is sus to me.
I was trying to keep following him just for a little bit of extra content to watch on TH-cam, but after this I'm distancing myself. My wife had this happen to her before we met and the fact that he thinks that this comes down to strictly 'emotional maturity' is gross
@@alexnoack9941 I am trying to see this in the best possible light, and I can kind of see an almost point if like me you have had partners who refused to communicate to the point of physical harm. Like if she didn't say that this guy had done it before maybe it would still be a gross take, but could maybe be a statement that communicating around sex is important, eh in its current form it's garbage. Don't tell SA victims how to avoid their assaults. Just be supportive, if you wanna talk about communication do it somewhere else
i still support destiny tbh i dont like this take at all and i know he doesnt actually believe this given what hes said in the past but i just dont care about politics beyond its entertainment value which is why i watch both vaush and destiny
@@Blakbox92 He already said it in the previous post "i just dont care about politics beyond its entertainment value". Basically, if it's "entertaining", Bm doesn't care that Destiny is a vile, cruel sociopath.
@@stormmcbeth5744 I know, but this blatantly though. Like at least before they pretended to be on the left, so therefore implicitly acknowledging that the right is intrinsically immoral
@@kakefyll someone who says that protesters should be "mowed down by right wing militias" is left leaning to you? Someone who says trans people literally have no value is left leaning to you? Someone who literally engages in r*pe apologia is left leaning to you? How far right are YOU that a person who explicitly defends shooters and thinks that abortion is murder sounds "left leaning" to you? Like, you must be a full on nazi to say he seems left leaning to you. Is Ben Shapiro also left leaning to you?
I mean... As a social worker, I definitely have the urge to kick his teeth in. In Minecraft etc etc. He has zero empathy towards SA victims and zero understanding about various responses to SA. It genuinely worries me that he is saying this shit with the platform that he has. Absolutely vile.
i am now a former "DGGer" this shit is fucking indefensible, i should of seen this sooner, to me he's been on thin ice since he's been talking with mr girl like every single day and his trans comment about content that definitely leads to a trans panic defense argument
@@bombyx2447 wait fam, my appoglies i was exaggerating that a lil bit. it wasn't every *single day but for the last 6 weeks Its truly felt like everytime I'd see his stream with mr g on it.
hes an old internet kind of person where you try to verbally ruin others as much as possible being right was never the point here he just wanted someone to hurt
"stop having sex" is such an abusive thing to say. He's trying to make her feel like its her fault and develop and unhealthy fear of sex, a normal human thing, because he cant for 2 seconds admit he was wrong about a shitty take.
It might not be her fault. But only she can control her future choices. I can't imagine anyone would disagree this woman at least needs counseling and guidance.
@@dogeatdog6157 what the fuck are you talking about? Please explain to me how this woman’s choices affected the likelihood of these things happening to her based only on those couple of measly tweets. Literally just someone stating that they were abused and your thought is “this person probably needs guidance and counseling”.
@@sebastianlavallee706 somthing bad has happened multiple times and that person doenst seem to have done any reflection. Basically like the idea of touching a hot stove.
@@Kazoo_man64 If you are finding yourself in similar situations over and over again, like she confirmed, then maybe it’s time to take a step back from those activities you are performing and reassessing those situations to prevent you from being victimized again and again.
This isn't really relevant to your comment, but why do people sub to large content creators at all? I only sub to channels I'd have a hard time keeping track of otherwise. It minimizes clutter in my subscriptions feed. _This Is Important_ lol
you thought you would come tell the guy who admited to jacking off to loli porn you unsubbed to someone he hides from? woaaah brave and cool very brave and cool.
@@deathpresent101 It is actually satire. They are very similar, but the main difference is that I am not attempting to argue against Destiny or his point; that is what stawmaning is, constructing a weaker version of an argument to attack. Rather, I am making fun of Destiny, by intentionally exaggerating his position, to both illustrate its weakness, and to make people laugh. I do hope this information helps you with your future interactions.
Xan said something on stream recently that really struck me. He said that being wrong when you're a public figure is the death of your credibility in the online politics space. I feel like a lot of public figures have internalized this to an extent, and so when they are wrong they dig in their heels and be wrong harder. I think destiny had a take based on incomplete information, and when more information made him look like a piece of shit he doubled down because hes terrified of being wrong on the internet. Personally I find a public figure admitting being wrong and not making a big to-do about it (a la thought slime) shows strength. It's one reason I respect Vunch so much: he has been wrong multiple times and owned up to it.
What about TS? He was famously wrong about Xan having a sex cult and refusing to own up to it. The only time he ever apologized was in a video about nothing saying they won't listen to anyone but thier wife about it. Not sure I'd exactly call that not making a big deal.
Completely agreed. I still think, Vaush is wrong on some issues and I think he overprioritizes electoralism, but he is a consistent person. Consistent as in: He owns his mistakes.
@@epimisti this is indeed what I meant. Their apology for saying nanners was long and stupidly grandiose. A "sorry about that" and moving on is much better than some performative garbage.
@Quinn Rosenberg Gotcha. TS could've even maintained integrity by retracting the accusation and instead of constantly waffling just said he still thinks Xanderhal acted inappropriately. That's what I think too, but I feel like it was a learning lesson for him and that's all it needs be.
This is most articulate & understanding piece on the nature of SA that I've ever come across. Most people who have never experienced assault don't seem to understand that the moment a sexual partner has indicated that they aren't concerned with your safety, the threat is immense. Your objections likely won't matter, because they've already demonstrated that they don't care about your safety, needs or desires. If they're willing to SA you, they might be willing to beat you or unalive you, especially if you try to interfere with their actions. People experiencing assault recognize this and try to reduce the harm caused to themselves by complying. Not fighting back doesn't mean a person didn't want to fight back - it means they couldn't, for fear of losing life or limb. This is why we
Reminder that Destiny's recent takes are so abysmally abhorrent that even some of the most die hard DGG orbiters turned against him, some even called him out.
i usually see abusive people doin the things that destiny did victim blaming and targeting people to belittle and put down i think why he laughed was because he wanted to get away with doing it but as soon as the other person explained further, he tried to hide the fact that he messed up cause i think he knew what he was doin but now that he looks bad he has to hide it with a laugh and then he doubles down again because i dont think he really had much of a point to begin with he just kept saying the same thing over and over because he wanted to target someone that he thought was inferior or whatever idk i just kinda noticed that i dont watch destiny
This was a really good vid, Vaush. I appreciate you taking the time in the first half really breaking down the reason that this *is* apologia and also the piece-by-piece of what can go wrong for victims in situations like this. Seriously. So, so many people never hear conversations like that and knowing this stuff *before* you ever find yourself in a situation can help you not only avoid them in the first place, but survive them.
Yeah this behavior particularly irked me because someone close to me was practically victim blamed by their own family because they didn’t speak up until way later. Sometimes you cant fully grasp a situation like that until after taking time to reflect on it. Especially if you’re inexperienced.
@@Kazoo_man64 This exactly. I once had someone say "if you were really sexually assaulted, why didn't you report it at the time?" To which my response was "I was 9 years old, and didn't understand that what was done to me was a crime."
“Nooooo! Destiny isn’t spiteful or changing his beliefs based on who he’s directing his unbridled rage at this particular moment! He’s technically correct in this minor way or has some reason that legitimizes his inconsistency if you squint!” -one of a dozen DGGers I’ve personally argued this point with over the past month
@@drehitemup9904 “what is the motivation for spite in this scenario” Easy. Destiny’s reactively negative feelings towards the online left. This is the usual for him now, unfortunately. I used to stan Destiny quite hard, it’s disappointing how far he’s fallen.
the Hans-Destiny clip where Destiny just laughs is why these debates are done online, you can't just laugh at this shit without getting clocked in the goddamn teeth.
@@SeanLaMontagne LMAOOO MR TOUGH GUY OVER HERE Man it's always so funny to see internet losers brag about how tough they when you know for a fact they won't do jack shit.
@@bombocrusty4251 possibly but I would like to think most ppl left of Center (which I’m assuming is most of destiny’s audience) won’t stand for both his tweets and laughing about a person being sexually assaulted
@@rileybonar6324 it’s likely to stunt Destiny’s growth and growth potential, and it may even cause a substantial decline in the size of his channel. But Destiny is not going to lose his core audience over this, or have his career disappear over this. They’ll continue along as long as Destiny doesn’t go off brand. And unfortunately, this is on the unsavory-but-well-on-brand-for-Destiny side of things.
@@rileybonar6324 So, he will get another set of audience. The pool is endless. If anything it might even help him with his reach. Jimmy Dore changed content, and his audience changed too, and it also grew massively.
I was still reserving judgement on Destiny for a while, since I had pretty much exclusively seen his takes via Vaush, and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that he might be more right than Vaush made him out to be. My life just got a lot simpler, though! This is inexcusable.
When I was sexually HARASSED, I froze up, literally petrified in fear. Imagine someone with my type of response actually getting assaulted. You never know how you're going to react until it happens.
@0 I’d argue the proper response is “I’m sorry, I don’t really know. Would you like my number or anything so you can quickly call me if something happens, or have me be nearby?
@0 So this first off: Implies they know what their reaction would be in a high-stress, sudden situation, and secondly, implies that I should feel bad for…What reason? For helping how I can off the top of my head?
I hate this "if you can't shut down a highly charged and potentially dangerous situation then you shouldn't be doing X" vibe. So you should just be excluded from certain activities for life because some other people are so off base that they think it's okay to break your personal boundries and the law. Yeah I get that these people are always going to exist but seems rough to go hard on the people who for whatever reason were not in a position to descalate the situation at that moment in time.
Destiny: why wouldn’t she just tell the guy her boundaries? Her: I told him my boundaries and he still broke them. Destiny: Get out of here with this bullshit! Clearly a well put together take from a well put together man.
@@jansettler4828 its “insensitive” to laugh when someone falls down or make fun of their appearance. Laughing and then continuing your smug pissbaby rant immediately after hearing “I told them no, but they raped me harder” in this context is actually disgusting.
Can we talk how a victim of sexual assault is about 4x times more possible to be assaulted again? There is a statistical relationship between these events, there are behavioral marks that predators can see that traumatized people seems to convey that they catch on, marks that make them more vulnerable, less resistance, more agreeableness about situations dangerous to them.
Destiny: I am the god king of online political debaters. Also Destiny: literally laughs at someone who followed Destiny’s advice for what to do when getting raped
Kudos to her for trying to call it out while happening, but I wouldn't expect that to work. People who violate your consent usually know they're doing it, so you won't really get them to stop by pointing it out. I don't know why Destiny and his homies thought that it would.
LITERALLY, that's the problem. And she could be risking her own personal safety in doing so. I have been in a situation where I had to stop an SA as it was in the process of happening and mentally I had to debate "if I stop this from happening to me, how likely is he to physically harm me in some other way or even kill me". Because any person, of any gender, willing to violate the consent of others is potentially okay with doing other significant harm to them and it can be difficult to predict where the line will be drawn.
This was my sense as well. For me, it wasn't assault like in the popular imagination. He was hurting me during sex and I asked him to stop and he said basically "please i'm about to cum" and kept going Despite me resisting him. It doesn't even have to be violent it can just be in the heat of the moment. Point is asking doesn't guarantee stopping and it doesn't guarantee safety.
A dear friend of mine opened up about their experiences regarding being sexually assaulted by a hook up in this way (stealthing) and I genuinly cannot imagine what kind of mindset you have to have to react to someone's sexual assault in the ways that Des tiny/De stinky have. Considering the lack of affective (emotional) empathy he keeps showing it's absolutely mind-boggling to me that he still has a following at all. It's genuinely repulsive and troubling.
I watched destiny for a short bit when I started to be pulled left and what’s really funny about it is that I found out about vaush because of one of his many rants against him and I’m now a vaush enjoyer. Thanks Destiny!
Why do I get the feeling that in an alternate universe where she both felt him taking the condom off as he was doing it and also voiced her concerns like "Hey, don't stealth me, I agreed to have sex with a condom, not without one. We're done now. No more sex. I'm out." And he got mad and beat her? I guarantee you that a good chunk of these people would be like "Well if you felt he might have gotten violent, you shouldn't have said anything and just reported it after." Literally they will make up an excuse for any situation. No matter what the victim does, even if it's something they would explicitly advise that victim to do in a tweet thread, will ever be the "correct" course of action as long as an imperfect outcome is achieved. And there can never be a perfect outcome when someone explicitly violates your consent, even if everything after goes smoothly. Edit: Turns out they literally just did that.
Most of their essential gripe ultimately is this woman had sex. They see her as a slut who got a reasonable punishment for her promiscuity. These same people would bemoan women and girls not being sexually open before settling down with someone as a prude.
I haven’t watched Destiny in a long while, but I kinda thought Vaush was being hyperbolic and would just skip through D segments. That take was fucking nuts though, it’s odd seeing the guy who originally pulled me left with his JonTron debate say something so awful, then double down on it.
@@LimeyLassen I suppose, though I think he was probably a good person at the time. Not totally sure though, since I haven't watched much of his content.
Tweet: "Stop doing this men" Me, the clueless virgin: "Haha, surely not all men, right?" Vaush: "There's a term for this; it's called stealthing" Me: "Shit, enough people do it that there's a whole term for it? Fuck."
I haven't been sexually assaulted, but I have been assaulted, and it does trigger a freeze response in me. I think it's because I usually had a smaller, secondary victim with me and I was afraid that if I ran, they wouldn't, and I am not in very good health so I know if I ran or fought I probably wouldn't get away anyway. People who haven't experienced it don't know that cloying, panicking terror where every single choice you could make to try and protect yourself is the wrong choice.
I don't think this aspect is really mentioned enough. Honestly, maybe it is, I make it a habit to not seek out this content or spaces. But situations where you're in, and someone has you a compromising, dangerous situation, you don't know what choices are going to help get you out, and which ones will get you put into more danger. That sense of immense weight on all your choices is paralyzing, as your mind has to run 4000 mph just to decide whether to do *anything*. It's true horror. Not to be melodramatic, but these types of situations push you into volatile, vulnerable spaces, where you cannot know how you'll react until its either too late and over with, or too late and you're in a much worse situation.
I don’t know why people act like they don’t know it we were all taught this in school. The three responses to a perceived threat is fight, flight or freeze. We all know this.
@0 You know, there's a reason that your scenario is laughable beyond belief AND irrelevant to what actually happened, yet that is what you feel is the best way to defend Destiny.
Destiny laughing at such morbid details in this context made me physically curl up in disgust. He's really gone full contrarian & he's not looking back.
As a woman who has been sexually assaulted, I can say that not only is it hard to confront someone who assaulted you, it’s sometimes hard to tell if you have even been assaulted. In my case, I was pressured into sex I didn’t want to have, was cut off from the exit, and he forced his hand down my pants with me wriggling away for a while until I relented and let him do what he wanted. It took me literal years to figure out that I had been raped because my exposure to the idea of assault was “it’s when a man beats you and forces you down and it’s violent and traumatizing”, but in my case I wasn’t physically injured, I experienced some physical pleasure, and I had “given consent”. Sexual assault happens in so many different ways and forms and girls are so encouraged to just “go with it”, it can be impossible to rationalize in your own head that it wasn’t ok, let alone tell the person who felt so entitled to your body as to violate you without a second thought.
This is what I was thinking. This is part of why it can happen repeatedly to the same person. I made someone come to the realization that they were SA'ed after the fact, because from childhood and throughout their marriage, they'd had their boundaries violated so much that they thought what happened was acceptable. These acts can just as easily be perpetrated by the people you trust. If you grow up in a sketchy environment, you're surrounded by sketchy people, and sketchy seems normal and inevitable. And of course he's completely ignoring any religious indoctrination that may be at play.
Lotta destiny stans in the comments section doing r*pe apologia and victim blaming. Real liberal of you all. Really doing a good job convincing me you aren't conservative.
If I ever see Destiny's stupid little face he's not gonna have one anymore. He harassed a SA survivor and then laughed at her further pain as she revealed it after the social pressure of a content creator singling her out. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if we find out Destiny doesn't care about consent IRL either.
When I was raped I didn't even really process it until I was talking about my history with one of my current partners. It took me almost a decade to realize that when my ex-wife woke me up by being on top of me when I was too exhausted to even consider the possibility of consenting, was me being sexually assaulted and the fact that I ended up with some trauma resulting from that event.
@@linzlsleepy1627 thank you. I have fortunately gotten the chance to work through it in a safe place, and I have put enough distance between the event and now that I have mostly recovered.
@@Turusolight having alot of difficulty falling asleep in the same room as other people. Often feeling safer having sex with complete strangers than with close partners. A feeling that my sexuality is more for other people than it is for me. I can keep going.
This segment is important but did make me so incredibly sad. It certainly hurts to watch a man laugh when people call him on his terrible takes. Perhaps it's because I fear Destiny has done this to women or have justified crossing boundaries with women because "they never spoke up afterwards" or "they willingly take on the risk so..."
I'm not trying to invalidate your suspicion here. However, I have a strong feeling Destiny does not have sex. His takes on sex and women in general don't sound like someone who fucks. Could just be a garbage human tho
While I wouldn’t consider it sexual assault, I have been pressured and coerced into sex. The sheer amount of victim blaming I encounter when I talk about it is outstanding. I can’t imagine getting this response if I had been fully sexually assaulted, it’s been bad enough as is
I'm not going to tell YOU how to interpret your situations personally because I don't know the circumstances behind it. But I would generally consider the pressure and coercion to be SA. The definition of consent includes that it must be enthusiastic and ongoing between all parties involved. I also just kinda think the phrase "fully assaulted" contributes to other people refusing to come forward about personal stories where they may have been gaslit or manipulated in some way. Again, I have no clue about your personal experiences, I'm just saying we need to be careful about how we talk about SA in a general sense.
I was also coerced, and one hundred percent the times I’ve mentioned it to later partners they’ve said something along the lines of oh, you should communicate more. Never mind that I said no at least ten times and he kept pushing and I cried during. It’s very disheartening to share it with people and not have them understand how powerless or manipulated I felt in the moment. I didn’t know what to do and couldn’t see the situation clearly until afterwards. Victim blaming just makes it that much easier for those people to do what they do.
@@haleymilbrodt8080 Honestly im not even sure how I see it. On one hand, I feel like I might be delegitimizing my own experience and others who had the same thing, but on the other I feel like if I did call it SA, I’d be delegitimizing other peoples experiences that were much worse. It’s a weird grey area that makes it all the more difficult to talk about
I've never historically had a problem with Destiny, but this is a fucked up thing to say. As a survivor of sexual assault myself, I'd feel absolute rage if someone spewed this bile at me. Disgusting. Shameful. I am embarrassed for him.
The notion that he's doing this all based on spite is important- he's not stupid enough to believe the shit he's saying, but since he's already formed his opinion on this situation, he is unwilling to just bite the bullet on the fact that he was completely wrong in his assumptions in the first place. Emotionally weak
That makes the most sense. He knows on some level he's wrong. But admitting that is 1000% off brand for Destiny. Can anyone think of a time when he admitted, not in a passive aggressive way, that he was wrong?
I find it also quite bad that he keeps insinuating that person is sleeping around, when we don't know if it was a partner or spouse in the hypothetical
The NFT situation, combined with how much he had preached against hypocrisy, made me question if he was actually an honest actor, and made me much more critical of him in general. The camel's back was bearing a lot of weight. Only a few more straws and I probably would've been done thinking of him as someone who acts in good faith or cares about what he talks about. Then this happened. Imagine a camel who's back is a few straws away from breaking and then somebody drops a boulder on it.
Genuine question: anybody know where I could find the full debate/discussion video that those clips of Destiny laughing at sexual assault are from? Would be nice to have. Particularly because nothing's better than confidently dropping the whole video on someone who's demanding more context.
Destiny and Sargon should get together and discuss who wants to be the bigger edgelord. Next on destinys hit list of bad takes: "if you are being racialy harassed, why are you still living in that country?" and "if you are homeless, why are you not just getting a job and be productive!"
I just showed this video to a Destiny stan who asked for any examples of Destiny being hypocritical. They basically responded with "lol w/e! You can say Destiny is an asshole (he does it all the time) but victim-blaming somebody who was raped isn't hypocritical, because I say so" tl;dr, Destiny fans are delusional.
Superb takedown of Destiny's tweets. Even when he was told that she has done his so-called "advice" in the past, he couldn't just take the fucking L and admit he was wrong. It doesn't take an intelligent person to know that maybe voicing your discomfort to someone who has already ignored your boundaries could led to a potential worse outcome. Destiny could apologise for his dogshit twitter rants, but I would not hold my breath.
Destiny totally ignores that fucking FREEZING UP is a very normal and common response to being sexually assaulted. "if you are noticing someone is about to sexually assault you and you can't say anything, you probably don't have the emotional maturity..." uhhhh no. the thing is, you're probably so shocked that this person is doing something terrible, when you thought they were a nice and safe person, that you freeze in the moment. that's not emotionally immature, it's just natural fight/flight/freeze and your brain picked freeze...
I think a huge problem here is that giving "advice" online is often unconstructive and victim-blamey, especially if you're not even attempting to be at all kind about it.
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I don’t think anyone with a mindset like destiny’s should be having casual sex.
That is the best take anyone can make from this
From the very first tweet I am starting to rethink all his past relationships
@She belongs to the Skreets he's not a angry virgin? How?
The fact he thinks that way makes it clear he might be a dangerous person to be near. All women should avoid him at all costs cause he might actually do something disgusting.
I'd like to know what would happen if he tried to initiate causal sex with a woman and she tells him, "I don't have casual sex with men because I don't want to risk being assaulted."
I've been trying to articulate this for years. I got sexually harassed a while back and got a "well you shouldn't have..." out of it, and you explained why it pissed me off so much better than I could. I'm glad I have the language to communicate that now.
same sentiment as the person above, glad you have gained something like being able to voice your experience more accurately. 💗
How is that even a thing?
I really hate humans sometimes
I'm always glad Vaush can give people arguments for things like this
I hope you and all these amazing people in the replies have a wonderful day
“I went to the grocery store. While there, a man showed up, robbed it and killed five people. If I hadn’t gone to the store, I wouldn’t have experienced this.”
^^ There is no circumstance on the planet where a victim-blaming weakling won’t find *something.*
Glad that you have wrapped your mind around it, because there is *no such thing* as a perfect victim. Because no one has foresight or premonition, as far as I know.
This is what happens when you make ‘winning by any means necessary’ the ultimate goal of online debate. People lose their humanity and view someone saying something like “I was raped” as nothing more than an attempt to discredit them.
At first I was assuming Destiny might be doing this to drum up interest, I haven't heard anything from him recently.
By the end it was more like he decided to tactically nuke himself in an attempted false flag operation gone badly wrong...
reminds me of how rgr treated doe
Think youre spot on here. Same with the few destiny stans I've been seeing in the comment section - they do not care about the ramifications of what they say nor do they have any empathy for the victims, they just want to "win" so they can feel superior. Gross behavior
Social media has turned a lot of people into insufferable inepts obsessed with having the last word, the perfect comeback line and the right argument. So much so that the nuance needed to understand the levity of any social issue is completely drowned out in favour of wit-measuring contests.
I'm so sick of debate-culture. It's so easy to take a rethorical stance from the sidelines, running your mouth about ultimately useless crap like "fallacies" and "sources" while the real issue happens. I'd rather prioritize the opinions of people whose investment in any social matter extends beyond "haha I'm right and you're wrong, stupid".
Exactly. He is unable to see her admission of past trauma as anything other than some argument in a debate he has to then counter or discredit. The guy really needs to touch grass and rediscover a bit of humanity.
This is basically the equivalent of when a family dies in a car accident because some drunk driver lost control and Destiny says “maybe that family shouldn’t be driving around casually”
Any professional driver knows this is unironically what managers will tell drivers if they get in a accident when the other driver was at fault.
“Why didn’t they dodge the wrong way driver?”
"Why were you driving on New Year's Eve when you knew there would be a lot of drunk drivers on the road?"
@@SS-xr7jf "The last time I did that the other driver hit the back of my car and flung me off the road and into a tree."
"AHAHAHAHAHAH!"
It's almost admirable that your analogy is able to fail in so many places
What’s even more annoying is that Destiny is calling her story into question because how often she’s been assaulted, but people who have been SAed once are at higher risk of being SAed again. As much as x35.
Legitimate question, but are there any hypotheses for why that is? Because that's an awful statistic to learn.
But if it's that high, why should they keep having casual sex? Why not stop in order to keep themselves out of risky situations?
@@AlexAustralis what first comes to mind is that certain behaviours increase your likelyhood of being sexually assaulted and in general people continue the same behaviours, for instance people who go to parties are at higher risk and they continue to go to parties compared to people who never leave the house, or people who form relationships with abusive people and continue to do so (or stay with the person), people who frequently engage is random sexual activity vs people who don't. Probably other significant factors too. People shouldn't have to change their behaviour when it's something as innocuous as going out late etc.
@@bruhxd253 can't tell if you're serious or are meming off of D's take.
But if it's the first one and you're seriously asking, try following this hypothetical: Imagine that something akin to these statistics existed for people who were hit by drunk drivers running red lights through no fault of their own (it's 30x more likely to happen again after the first time). Would you tell the people who were hit to stop driving - something that is a very common and (for some) enjoyable activity?
Of course you wouldn't - it is a borderline necessary part of human life for many people - the problem is the drunk drivers. Even though you could find a way to push the blame onto the victim of the unethical and dangerous behaviour by saying something like "Well maybe if you'd still looked both ways before you went," every sensible person should be able to see the error with that line of thinking. Sure, there might be small things that you could do to lessen the chance of a crash or sexual assault, but the onus shouldn't be on the victim - we shouldn't have to worry about people sneakily removing condoms mid-sex, nor should we have to worry about behing hit by people who are driving while drunk, because they are all behaviours that any reasonable adult should find abhorrent, dangerous, and unethical. Victims should not be the ones facing punishment for the heinous actions of others.
@@AlexAustralis I haven't looked it up, but my guess would be in part that most people are assaulted by people they know. In that scenario, it becomes obvious how multiple assaults would take place at such a high rate.
Also, sexual abuse can mess with your ability to function in various ways, leaving you vulnerable in ways you might not have been before. If you're being repeatedly targeted by one person, they're going to leverage your first assault against you in order to make it easier to do it again. If it is multiple different assaults, it may be that the victimization has made you more vulnerable to attack; victimizers may even be sharing information on who they targeted with each other.
The extent that he laughed, like to the point he was nearly crying, about someone very vulnerably sharing a serious story about their assault, is disgusting. He is worthless to me. Absolutely nasty. He clearly has a problem with women just having sex at all and refuses to admit it. There's no justifying what he's said or done.
Ding ding ding ding! Yep, that's the core of it.
So my comment was just deleted. If we're talking about the panel it's because her experience was completely irrelevant
brave
Why is he in an open relationship if he dislikes women having sex
@@alewis17 If you are replying to the OP, there is no proper context of laugh-till-tears for someone talking about the SA. It was irrelevant, therefor funny?
The editors editing segments while the stream they're pulling from is still live proves that Ryan and Tempest are heroes of the revolution
Da.
It makes me feel less bad about missing stream
Heroes we don't deserve, but heroes we need
Ryan and Tempest should be paid twice as much honestly. A 3 cent pay rise let’s go.
Hearing Destiny laugh twice at this person's confession of past trauma and also the idea that maybe they had been subjected to sexual assault twice in row is honestly the most vile thing I've heard in a while. How can someone go so far? I legit cannot understand it.
I came to say this. It was the laugh
I personally agree with destiny when he calls himself a sociopath
Inb4 he becomes a daily wire homonculus
Spite. Thats how Destiny decides his postitions now.
@@calebharris292 Daily Wire Homunculus 💀
Another thing that I think needs to be mentioned, Destiny's claim to " Not have casual sex at all" is doubly invalid because a PARTNER could do this to you too! You could be in a relationship, ask your partner not to stealth and they do it anyway and you stay with them because you're dependent on them or you're afraid to leave. You could even ONLY have sex with intimate long term partners, split up with them after they assault you, and still have a problem when another partner does it! "Not having casual sex" IS NOT the answer here. 😒
that's a great point
Aren't most rapes happening with a partner or someone you know, anyway?
Yes, your long term partner can take advantage of your trust
The culture around casual sex (or "hookup culture" more broadly) is EXTREMELY conducive to assaults, sexism and objectification though, just due to the way companies have managed to commodify even that part of life (tinder etc) and alienate people from those relationships for profit.
Not having casual sex, at least not in the way it's done in our culture, is great advice, though given for extremely wrong reasons here.
@@Tacklepig eh I think your putting sex into too sacred or special a place I’m with V in that it’s an activity it being commodified sucks but like the commodification of bowling and card games sucks a similar amount and I don’t think anyone would say you should abstain from those because of how commodified they are and how going outside increases your likelihood of being assaulted. Stigmatizing casual sex isn’t gonna help people and will make victims feel invalidated or guilty for doing something they have every right to do
9:24 This is absolutely correct. As an abuse survivor, there’s a ton of things I could have done to either prevent or mitigate my abuse.
When I talk with other abuse survivors, I will *SOMETIMES* in *NARROW* contexts explore the ways that we could have avoided/mitigated the abuse. But what is always made clear even in those contexts is that the abuse perpetrated against us was ALWAYS and ONLY the fault of the abuser.
Pretending otherwise is a fantasy perpetuated by abuse apologists.
Anyone pretending otherwise is stupidly arguing that the perpetrator has no agency while the victim has super-agency (control over their personal actions and those of the abuser). Which is just.... wtf???
I get trying to find ways to feel safer post assault as an SA survivor, but it's should never be your *response* to it.
It’s wild to me that people try to tell victims they should have done x y or z. Oh really, omg I totally didn’t think through every second of the assault, thinking of everything that I could have done different. People who victim blame have clearly never experienced trauma or, if they have, completely lack self-awareness.
Truth.
@@spacefauna9351 “no you don’t understand. If I had been in your place, I never would have been assaulted. I’m simply built different, you see.”
Another example of Destiny double, triple, quadruple, quintupling down and literally doing anything other than just admitting he was wrong and had a bad take.
sorry if this is inappropriate but you have a really pretty smile!!
@@winterlif I almost read this as "you should smile more" and was about to respond with "yes, it's inappropriate".
This is ThoughtSlime in 5 years.
Has there ever been a case where destiny admitted fault?
Nay, has he ever even shown HUMILITY?
This isn't a rhetorical question, i've almost never heard something positive about him.
Or maybe he just genuinely believes it? Why would he admit fault if he thinks he's right
It's honestly disgusting how Destiny is essentially pulling the "you're a victim because you let him do it" card. I genuinely hope he takes some time to reflect on his values after this heinous take
He never does and never will
He won't
He’s been on this downward spiral so consistently that I honestly doubt it.
He won’t. He’ll ignore it, probably won’t watch this Vaush vid either
@She belongs to the Skreets I mean he has only ever been a stones throw away from the right
Another point he (Destiny) totally missed is that a high percentage of rapist the "fight" is what they like and are wanting. There was a serial killer/rapist that even talked about this (I believe this was mentioned in Peter Vronsky's book) he said that he was raping this girl and she started going with it like she liked it and it turned him off and he stopped and let her go. Many rapist do it because of power.
Edit to add, this is in the same line as women poking holes in condoms. We could easily say "well the man shoulda supplied his own protection" which is ludicrous.
At the end he brings up that Destiny is wrong on all levels, even technically!
@ I know just another point... this was the fact in my SA
@@zebraskin hi there I replied to the wrong post haha so my comment is very off, even if it is correct!
That anology you provided is perfect 😭😭 ty, gonna steal this one.
Who was this serial killer/rapist? Where could I find the interview. The idea that sex isn’t even the primary goal is pretty interesting
Stealthing by default is bad, and by definition non-consensual; saying a woman needed to verbally protest at the time to legitimize her later complaint about it is disingenuous and dangerous.
I think another big problem with destiny's arguments is that he conflates maturity with confidence and being confrontational which, in my opinion is pretty much just peak toxic masculinity. but it also puts victims in a situation where they need to be held to a frankly impossible standard, where they basically have to always make an attempt to confront abusers regardless of the circumstances even when such actions could be lead to fatal outcomes, or else they're weak and it's their fault. it'd be like saying a mugging victim was a weak pussy and shouldn't go outside because they didn't work out, train in self defense and act tough enough to deter from being mugged, and subsequently didn't try hard enough to disarm the mugger. it's literally just garden variety victim blaming.
Even in your mugging example, that still doesn't work!
My partner is 6'3", bearded and stocky and has been mugged several times.
I don't know why people feel the need to blame the victim, no matter the circumstances rather than talk about the actual problem - the shitty people perpetrating these awful behaviours.
I hadn't even considered the toxic masculinity aspect but I think you're right. He can't even imagine a scenario where a sexual encounter could lead to a risk of his life. He truly lives is a separate reality and it must be nice.
Your comment really needs more likes, the toxic masculinity thing you said is so real, I couldnt have said it better
As someone who has issues with confrontation, the whole "if you dont try to resist abuse, its your fault", is so infuriating. I guess I deserve to be sexually assaulted because I'm shy now 🙄. And one of the times I DID confront a man, he continued to assault me anyway 😒
If the only way to stop someone from being assaulted is to "victim blame" then fine! Being sexually violated sucks i am well aware of that but being so scared to arm potential victims with the knowledge to decrease the likelihood of getting violated cause it might come off as victim blamey is pretty shitty.
This is probably the worst Destiny has been in recent memory, and his community is calling him out REALLY hard. Like. Only 10-20% of his subreddit is defending him at all.
We'll see what the DGG verdict is on this whole situation in a month...
The ideal number would be 0 btw
As a regular Destiny subreddit viewer, very true
Good
He'll say "Um well actually" and bullshit up some Logic Bro justification for it
Literally this happens to men as well, it happens to everyone if you're being sexually assaulted. Fuck destiny's take, its sick and disgusting. Yeah, in certain situations you should be careful around hookups and one night stands, but it should be the norm to not put blame on the VICTIM!!!
I like how destiny did the thing noncompete accused vaush of doing. Laughing after hearing something objectively horrible.
@@Ass_of_Amalek no vaush specifically stopped laughing after luna mentioned her grandparents getting hurt. Destiny laughed AFTER hearing about a woman being raped.
@@Ass_of_Amalek you can literally see it in the video. At this point I feel like you’re gaslighting.
@@Ass_of_Amalek I mean you can watch the clip of you want. That's just what happened. But regardless, We at least agree Destiny bad.
Vaush did too though
So? Do you think noncompete likes Destiny? Destiny literally already did that to Luna first. If anything NC is criticising Vaush specifically because of Destiny.
when i was reading about this drama and i saw the "i told him no and he raped me harder" tweet I literally felt sick to my stomach and had to step away for a moment. Seeing Destiny just laugh at it here is insane. She did exactly what he said to do and proved his point was stupid and he just laughs at her
Textbook sociopathic trait right there.
Genuinely just so disheartening... the fact that this woman has to defend herself at all when she was the one raped, let alone getting laughed at for it
i useually think people on the internet are bad about saying things are sociopathic but this was genuinely sociopathic
Tbf yes could have been the safe word she just never asked his boundaries. She really does have to stop having casual sex though if what she says is true.
@@greatmatt301
Don't victim-blame. It's beyond cringe
I'm 6'1 and 250 lbs. While at a gay bar with my gf a drunk man much smaller than me started forcefully kissing me. I had never experienced anything like this. I backed away, clearly showing I wasn't interested, but he persisted, and my mind was racing on what I was supposed to do. He did end up making contact with my lips briefly because I just didn't think quickly enough to push him off of me. It all happened in under 10 seconds.
It can happen to anybody, and just because you don't make a sound decision for whatever reason doesn't mean it's your fault or that you wanted it.
Literally that shit happens so quick nobody can predict what they'll do in that situation. I'm so sorry that happened to you my man, but to have experienced that and see dumbasses online justify victim blaming? Our society is broken tbh. Shit need to change and evolve cause this is just unacceptable.
@@TheeSinnerman I'm totally fine; I literally only invoke this because it technically qualifies as sexual assault and I like to get across the point that even those with the capacity to defend themselves often freeze up in the moment.
I think it's important to point out that freezing up is a flight or fight response, which happens totally involuntarily in a lot of situations. "Fight or flight" is actually a misnomer, because the normal acute stress responses are actually fight, flight, freeze or befriend.
I haven’t heard about the befriend response. What does that entail?
@@jaybee27D It is to seek out others for protection. That other could be the person threatening you, so trying to appease them by saying "I'll do whatever you want", going along with their demands, stuff like that.
Like in the movie Fury with Brad Pitt, the soldiers take a family hostage and the daughter of the family sleeps with the youngest soldier, which is how he loses his virginity. Both the movie and the audience treat that scene as consensual, but if that were to happen in real life that would be a befriend response to a life or death situation, not consensual sex.
@@robinvik1 interesting stuff
i think another term for befriend is "fawn", it means basically the same thing as what you outline
yes we know
Ah yes, the guy who has demonstrated that they don't care about her consent would obviously immediately stop once she voices her discomfort.
"Oh, I'm sorry....was I supposed to keep the condom on the entire time?"
@@jdprettynails man here I was thinking condoms were just a foreplay thing…
@@Kazoo_man64 we learn something new everyday
Then don't go and have sex with him??
Maybe casual sex with strangers isn't that safe?
@@kanyeet5162 most men aren't rapists..
This is like telling a victim of a mass shooting that they should have known a shooting was bound to happen.
Utterly vile. Seriously fucked. How has he not even received a temp ban over this? People getting banned for using the word cracker, but this guy gets off scot-free with takes like these? Come on.
Destiny is demonitised on Twitch, which is where people were banned for saying cracker; This is on Twitter. Destiny is also banned on Twitter, this is his alt.
@@JebeckyGranjola He's not demonetized, he was departnered. He's still affiliated, has a sub button, and can run ads.
@Norseman Yeah, I was just trying to simplify it for the OP. As far as I know demonotised isn't a thing on twitch? But It's something everyone on TH-cam understands, whereas partnership contract might be confusing. My original comment said he was "banned", but I edited that because I think that was too innacurate. My main point was that they are confusing twitch and twitter.
Yes omfg.
hahaha brave and cool, please keep telling the loli watcher more about how vile destiny is ;
This poor person was just sharing an uncomfortable thing that happened to her, and some TOL dipshits fucken dragged her out into the streets to berate her. She didn't even call anyone out in particular, she just shared a violating experience that she went through, and these weirdos turned it into a fucking drama storm
The debate he had with Hanz is somehow even worse than I expected, Destiny literally laughing derisively at someone saying “I said no and he raped me harder” and calling it “a stupid fucking bullshit argument”
Destiny is indefensible as a person, I'm 100% earnest when I say he needs some fucking empathy training
Ya, kind of ironic for Destiny, considering he loves to use hypotheticals that include "r*pe cages". Yet he completely dismisses a survivors lived experience as a "bad argument".
@@ComradeCatpurrnicus Tbh I think his inability to back off of this take despite his previous takes being incompatible with this new one, is a symptom of an injured ego. He doesn't want to back off because then he'd have to admit he's wrong. He can't do that so he's compelled to angrily dig the hole as far as it goes. He does this ALL the time.
@@nackskott12 Ya he loves to hold his ground and die on ridiculous hills, even when it conflicts with his past views. Yet he also loves to tout his "consistency". The only thing he's consistent with nowadays with is being vile and inconsistent.
He has such a fragile and huge ego that if he accidentally supported the Holocaust and got called out for it, he'd go full JQ on them because he can't move on from a mistake and has to double down on everything he says.
@@nackskott12 Sounds like the social worker bullshit all over again. He made a completely stupid argument but refuses to back off admit it's fking stupid.
Sorry but even this is too charitable for my liking. Destiny isnt even "technically correct" here. If she wasnt even aware of what was happening then obviously her consent given on false pretenses was taken advantage of without her notice. I wouldn't say telling an SA victim that they shouldn't have dressed a certain way is "technically correct" either. How you're dressed doesn't necessarily increase your likelihood of being raped. Yes there are things you can do increase your self defense like never walking off alone, not going to peoples rooms while you're blackout drunk, bringing your own drinks and watching them at all times etc but even they arent the fault of the victims. Some people do all of these things and still get assaulted.
He did address later in the segment that destiny is also technically incorrect according to the circumstances of the actual person in question
Prior to the context, he was technically correct but when more context was revealed he still double down on it lmao. He's so petty it's insane.
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Exactly. I think that the sequence of events here has been assumed. To me, it seems more likely that she did not realise what had happened until after the event.
The point was that while being "technically correct" he was still morally wrong. If you focus on him being incorrect it implies he would've been morally right if only he hadn't been incorrect; not true. It wasn't a justification, it was a stronger condemnation.
Silence is not consent, especially with condoms. I couldn’t even fathom doing something like that to a woman, let alone pretending it’s HER fault. Communicate with your sexual partners!
This is just misogyny. Nothing more.
@@jatsko3113 I have an uncommon experience with this, I had a girlfriend who would hurt herself just because she thought it would make me happy. Communication goes both ways, and I'm in favour of telling women to communicate, just for the love of christ don't ducking tell a victim they could've communicate their way out of it.
@@PropheticShadeZ What's even worse is how common it is for women to not even view their discomfort as something wrong. Sacrificing our wants, needs and desires in order to not rock the boat or to make other happy is very much part of the female experience.
I'm sorry, but what the fuck do you actually want? I never fucking asked anyone to sacrifice anything, and I remember repeatedly asking women i was with over the years and getting nowhere. Maybe cut your expectations of mind reading just a tad and work with the other person instead of decrying your female experience
@@ZealothPL that's what you're getting out of this? No self introspection at all? Cringe dude.
destiny and mindwaves also make the assumption that it happened during "casual sex" when that wasn't stated by the woman at all. this could have been someone she was in a relationship with, which also complicates things further.
also, it's pretty fucked up that they believe stealthing and/or other forms of abuse should be expected when having casual sex. "Casual" doesn't necesssarily mean you don't know the person at all, first and foremost, it could be a person with whom you've been "casually" sleeping with for months, and second, even if you didn't know them they're STILL A FUCKING R4PIST, HOW DOES ONE REACH THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS BEHAVIOUR IS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE/NORMAL/EXPECTED BECAUSE THE VICTIM WAS A STRANGER? THEY WOULD PROBABLY DO THIS TO MANY OTHER PEOPLE IF THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT, EVEN IF THEY KNEW THEM! and may I add, how long would one have to wait to sleep with a person until it no longer qualifies as "casual" and the r4pe/ass4ult becomes inexcusable for these idiots???
If if was in a relationship it's even worse in my opinion. Nonetheless the entire situation is so fucked and Destiny is one fucked up person to even insinuate that she is to blame in that situation.
I have never really been shocked by a take before enough to just sit still and breathe for a moment. If it's awful it's usually some nebulous idea not told to anyone specific or they're awful enough that their words don't hold any value. This was awful. Genuinely disgusting. There is a human being who is hurting, who didn't ask for any opinions, just made a statement. Healing from assault is so hard because it strips you from the inside out of what makes you feel powerful when your body is violated like that. Any sexual urges just feel hollow and tainted. She healed enough to overcome that and is being attacked for existing and being almost slut shamed because of the amount of different men who assaulted her instead of being fucking disgusted by the absolute horror looking at that situation should give you. Three men. Three.
My heart goes out for this girl. Genuinely.
And people wonder why women don't report when they've been assaulted smh.
@@jdprettynails also why most women just don't have partners either. It's just not safe or worth it if you just get blamed for everything. Don't play the game, cause you'll win stupid prizes.
"stop doing this men" on twitter. yeah that's cool that you can adress a whole gender but then be like "I wasn't asking for opinions" well then don't post it on a public forum.
@@mysticflow467
Women: Men, please stop sexually assaulting us.
Men: Um...actually....
What the hell is your point exactly? Are women supposed to keep quiet and continue letting men get away with sexual assault?
@@jdprettynails my point is, that if I say: black men stop stealing.
and then people reply to me, it would be very _____ of me to go "There is a human being who is hurting, who didn't ask for any opinions" / "I DIDN'T ASK FOR YOUR OPINIONS!"
I can't even correctly fill in the blank, privileged? cosy? comfortable? self centred? ignorant?
I'm just saying it sure must be nice to be able to say: "black men stop stealing" on twitter and then cry/complain about people replying to you. very snowflakey,
people are allowed to type w/e they want but nobody can reply to them?
my point. is that you shouldn't "make statements" about what other people do, and then say you didn't ask for replies.
would you agree with this?
should a nazi be able to go "all jews should die" on social media and then complain if people reply to them?
that's all my point is.
I think if that last part was left out, about "X group do this" then maybe people shouldn't be giving their un supportive opinions on the story.
Destiny is a genuinely vile and bad person, but this should have been obvious before this drama. Anyone who still supports him at this point is sus to me.
I was trying to keep following him just for a little bit of extra content to watch on TH-cam, but after this I'm distancing myself. My wife had this happen to her before we met and the fact that he thinks that this comes down to strictly 'emotional maturity' is gross
@@alexnoack9941 I am trying to see this in the best possible light, and I can kind of see an almost point if like me you have had partners who refused to communicate to the point of physical harm. Like if she didn't say that this guy had done it before maybe it would still be a gross take, but could maybe be a statement that communicating around sex is important,
eh in its current form it's garbage. Don't tell SA victims how to avoid their assaults. Just be supportive, if you wanna talk about communication do it somewhere else
i still support destiny tbh i dont like this take at all and i know he doesnt actually believe this given what hes said in the past but i just dont care about politics beyond its entertainment value which is why i watch both vaush and destiny
@@bm1259 Why support Destiny?
@@Blakbox92 He already said it in the previous post "i just dont care about politics beyond its entertainment value". Basically, if it's "entertaining", Bm doesn't care that Destiny is a vile, cruel sociopath.
I'm honestly astonished at how disgusting Destiny is
I'm not, I expect right leaning people to be awful.
@@stormmcbeth5744 +
@@stormmcbeth5744 I know, but this blatantly though. Like at least before they pretended to be on the left, so therefore implicitly acknowledging that the right is intrinsically immoral
@@stormmcbeth5744 he is right leaning? He has always given me leftie vibes
@@kakefyll someone who says that protesters should be "mowed down by right wing militias" is left leaning to you?
Someone who says trans people literally have no value is left leaning to you?
Someone who literally engages in r*pe apologia is left leaning to you?
How far right are YOU that a person who explicitly defends shooters and thinks that abortion is murder sounds "left leaning" to you? Like, you must be a full on nazi to say he seems left leaning to you. Is Ben Shapiro also left leaning to you?
I think I'm starting to get why Destiny is afraid of social workers.
If I was a social worker and I got sent to Destiny's house I would probably shoot him fr.
I mean... As a social worker, I definitely have the urge to kick his teeth in. In Minecraft etc etc.
He has zero empathy towards SA victims and zero understanding about various responses to SA. It genuinely worries me that he is saying this shit with the platform that he has. Absolutely vile.
i am now a former "DGGer" this shit is fucking indefensible, i should of seen this sooner, to me he's been on thin ice since he's been talking with mr girl like every single day and his trans comment about content that definitely leads to a trans panic defense argument
Wait wtf he talks to him every day???
@@bombyx2447 wait fam, my appoglies i was exaggerating that a lil bit. it wasn't every *single day but for the last 6 weeks Its truly felt like everytime I'd see his stream with mr g on it.
Hugs. It sucks to watch a content creator fall.
Destiny is coming off as a pretty disturbed guy…it’s worrying that he is incapable of apologizing for anything he says. Not normal.
hes an old internet kind of person where you try to verbally ruin others as much as possible being right was never the point here he just wanted someone to hurt
"stop having sex" is such an abusive thing to say. He's trying to make her feel like its her fault and develop and unhealthy fear of sex, a normal human thing, because he cant for 2 seconds admit he was wrong about a shitty take.
It might not be her fault. But only she can control her future choices. I can't imagine anyone would disagree this woman at least needs counseling and guidance.
@@dogeatdog6157 what the fuck are you talking about? Please explain to me how this woman’s choices affected the likelihood of these things happening to her based only on those couple of measly tweets. Literally just someone stating that they were abused and your thought is “this person probably needs guidance and counseling”.
@@dogeatdog6157 Can you please explain why Destiny laughed at her saying she'd been raped previously?
@@sebastianlavallee706 somthing bad has happened multiple times and that person doenst seem to have done any reflection. Basically like the idea of touching a hot stove.
@@Kazoo_man64 If you are finding yourself in similar situations over and over again, like she confirmed, then maybe it’s time to take a step back from those activities you are performing and reassessing those situations to prevent you from being victimized again and again.
This incident was so vile that I finally had to unsub from Destiny.
@She belongs to the Skreets Hey, maybe just be glad that people are growing and changing instead of grandstanding about how you didn't have to.
This isn't really relevant to your comment, but why do people sub to large content creators at all? I only sub to channels I'd have a hard time keeping track of otherwise. It minimizes clutter in my subscriptions feed. _This Is Important_ lol
you thought you would come tell the guy who admited to jacking off to loli porn you unsubbed to someone he hides from? woaaah brave and cool very brave and cool.
"If someone is attempting to murder you with a gun, just say no; they legally cannot shoot you without your consent"
(Smugly chuckles) I am very intelligent.
Nice straw man
@@deathpresent101 It is actually satire. They are very similar, but the main difference is that I am not attempting to argue against Destiny or his point; that is what stawmaning is, constructing a weaker version of an argument to attack. Rather, I am making fun of Destiny, by intentionally exaggerating his position, to both illustrate its weakness, and to make people laugh.
I do hope this information helps you with your future interactions.
@@deathpresent101 it’s directly analogous to what you people are saying. You’re just not intelligent enough to realise it.
Xan said something on stream recently that really struck me. He said that being wrong when you're a public figure is the death of your credibility in the online politics space. I feel like a lot of public figures have internalized this to an extent, and so when they are wrong they dig in their heels and be wrong harder. I think destiny had a take based on incomplete information, and when more information made him look like a piece of shit he doubled down because hes terrified of being wrong on the internet.
Personally I find a public figure admitting being wrong and not making a big to-do about it (a la thought slime) shows strength. It's one reason I respect Vunch so much: he has been wrong multiple times and owned up to it.
What about TS? He was famously wrong about Xan having a sex cult and refusing to own up to it. The only time he ever apologized was in a video about nothing saying they won't listen to anyone but thier wife about it. Not sure I'd exactly call that not making a big deal.
@@JebeckyGranjola They mentioned TS as a bad example of an apology. It‘s confusingly phrased. I had to think about it for a second as well.
Completely agreed. I still think, Vaush is wrong on some issues and I think he overprioritizes electoralism, but he is a consistent person. Consistent as in: He owns his mistakes.
@@epimisti this is indeed what I meant. Their apology for saying nanners was long and stupidly grandiose. A "sorry about that" and moving on is much better than some performative garbage.
@Quinn Rosenberg Gotcha. TS could've even maintained integrity by retracting the accusation and instead of constantly waffling just said he still thinks Xanderhal acted inappropriately. That's what I think too, but I feel like it was a learning lesson for him and that's all it needs be.
This is most articulate & understanding piece on the nature of SA that I've ever come across. Most people who have never experienced assault don't seem to understand that the moment a sexual partner has indicated that they aren't concerned with your safety, the threat is immense. Your objections likely won't matter, because they've already demonstrated that they don't care about your safety, needs or desires. If they're willing to SA you, they might be willing to beat you or unalive you, especially if you try to interfere with their actions. People experiencing assault recognize this and try to reduce the harm caused to themselves by complying. Not fighting back doesn't mean a person didn't want to fight back - it means they couldn't, for fear of losing life or limb.
This is why we
This is true. Rapists are predators. Saying someone should confront a rapist is like saying you should fight back when you're getting mugged.
Ppl that use the word unalive should unalive themselves
Reminder that Destiny's recent takes are so abysmally abhorrent that even some of the most die hard DGG orbiters turned against him, some even called him out.
In what way are they "abysmally abhorrent?"
Or is it because it's Destiny, therefore disagree with 99% of what he says?
i usually see abusive people doin the things that destiny did
victim blaming and targeting people to belittle and put down
i think why he laughed was because he wanted to get away with doing it but as soon as the other person explained further, he tried to hide the fact that he messed up
cause i think he knew what he was doin
but now that he looks bad he has to hide it with a laugh
and then he doubles down again because i dont think he really had much of a point to begin with
he just kept saying the same thing over and over because he wanted to target someone that he thought was inferior or whatever
idk i just kinda noticed that
i dont watch destiny
This was a really good vid, Vaush. I appreciate you taking the time in the first half really breaking down the reason that this *is* apologia and also the piece-by-piece of what can go wrong for victims in situations like this. Seriously. So, so many people never hear conversations like that and knowing this stuff *before* you ever find yourself in a situation can help you not only avoid them in the first place, but survive them.
Yeah this behavior particularly irked me because someone close to me was practically victim blamed by their own family because they didn’t speak up until way later. Sometimes you cant fully grasp a situation like that until after taking time to reflect on it. Especially if you’re inexperienced.
Destiny is disgusting
@@Kazoo_man64 This exactly. I once had someone say "if you were really sexually assaulted, why didn't you report it at the time?"
To which my response was "I was 9 years old, and didn't understand that what was done to me was a crime."
Truth. also Demonmama good. Vaush Good.
Mama rad. Vusah rad.
“Nooooo! Destiny isn’t spiteful or changing his beliefs based on who he’s directing his unbridled rage at this particular moment! He’s technically correct in this minor way or has some reason that legitimizes his inconsistency if you squint!”
-one of a dozen DGGers I’ve personally argued this point with over the past month
Arguing with dggers: the fastest way to get a migraine.
What is the motivation for spite in this scenario?
@@drehitemup9904 “what is the motivation for spite in this scenario”
Easy. Destiny’s reactively negative feelings towards the online left.
This is the usual for him now, unfortunately. I used to stan Destiny quite hard, it’s disappointing how far he’s fallen.
@@zen_tewmbs How is this the online left tho. Sexual assault is just bad, i dont think thats a far left thing.
@@emanuelmazzella5158 the lady who was assaulted is left wing I think. Yes it's bad thats why even a lot of DGG people are turning on him
the Hans-Destiny clip where Destiny just laughs is why these debates are done online, you can't just laugh at this shit without getting clocked in the goddamn teeth.
Very true
I usually have a lot of self control. And I often think hitting someone is a waste of time and energy.
Not here.
@@SeanLaMontagne LMAOOO MR TOUGH GUY OVER HERE Man it's always so funny to see internet losers brag about how tough they when you know for a fact they won't do jack shit.
He's wrong in a way that harms people. He's wrong in a way that denies women (or any victim) their sexual freedom.
I think this may kill destiny’s career. This is absolutely deplorable shit, I’m disgusted I can’t believe he said those things man
Your optimism is impressive, but I somehow doubt it
@@bombocrusty4251 possibly but I would like to think most ppl left of Center (which I’m assuming is most of destiny’s audience) won’t stand for both his tweets and laughing about a person being sexually assaulted
@@rileybonar6324 it’s likely to stunt Destiny’s growth and growth potential, and it may even cause a substantial decline in the size of his channel.
But Destiny is not going to lose his core audience over this, or have his career disappear over this. They’ll continue along as long as Destiny doesn’t go off brand. And unfortunately, this is on the unsavory-but-well-on-brand-for-Destiny side of things.
@@rileybonar6324 I would love to think that too but I've seen far too many people blindly defend him for this
@@rileybonar6324 So, he will get another set of audience. The pool is endless. If anything it might even help him with his reach.
Jimmy Dore changed content, and his audience changed too, and it also grew massively.
Oh, this is definitely main channel content! People will be missing out
Nah. Vaush wants drama stuff on here. People should be subbed to both channels anyway! ;)
@@testoftempest the D man is not worthy of the main channel
I was still reserving judgement on Destiny for a while, since I had pretty much exclusively seen his takes via Vaush, and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that he might be more right than Vaush made him out to be.
My life just got a lot simpler, though! This is inexcusable.
When I was sexually HARASSED, I froze up, literally petrified in fear. Imagine someone with my type of response actually getting assaulted.
You never know how you're going to react until it happens.
YES! There are four types of fear responses fight, flight, freeze or fawn. No one should be invalidated for their fear response.
@0 I’d argue the proper response is “I’m sorry, I don’t really know. Would you like my number or anything so you can quickly call me if something happens, or have me be nearby?
@0 So this first off: Implies they know what their reaction would be in a high-stress, sudden situation, and secondly, implies that I should feel bad for…What reason? For helping how I can off the top of my head?
It's kinda like going up to someone whose parent dies, making them poor, and saying "should've bought life insurance idiot"
(Your parents are the victim of being hit by a drunk driver) Pisstiny: Maybe your parents should stop casually driving around
TheLuchaKabuto or maybe learn to hit the breaks
@@cameronm34 Listen, if you're such a piss-poor driver that you let a drunk fuckwit hit you, you probably shouldn't even be allowed to drive.
I hate this "if you can't shut down a highly charged and potentially dangerous situation then you shouldn't be doing X" vibe. So you should just be excluded from certain activities for life because some other people are so off base that they think it's okay to break your personal boundries and the law. Yeah I get that these people are always going to exist but seems rough to go hard on the people who for whatever reason were not in a position to descalate the situation at that moment in time.
Dude, if you can't roundhouse kick a gun out a shooter's hands you should homeschool.
Destiny: why wouldn’t she just tell the guy her boundaries?
Her: I told him my boundaries and he still broke them.
Destiny: Get out of here with this bullshit!
Clearly a well put together take from a well put together man.
Because he called her out on her lies? Yeah, how dare he
@@VeganApexPredator what lies mate?
God, hearing him laugh when he heard "when I said no he only raped me harder" made me understand Stalinism for a brief moment.
I don't understand how you read that tweet and your brain doesn't immediately skid to a stop
I laugh at plenty of vile shit but hearing him laugh at that made me feel sick. I don’t say that lightly.
@@Kazoo_man64 It's insensitive, but don't exagerate
@@jansettler4828 its “insensitive” to laugh when someone falls down or make fun of their appearance. Laughing and then continuing your smug pissbaby rant immediately after hearing “I told them no, but they raped me harder” in this context is actually disgusting.
*gulags intensify*
Can we talk how a victim of sexual assault is about 4x times more possible to be assaulted again? There is a statistical relationship between these events, there are behavioral marks that predators can see that traumatized people seems to convey that they catch on, marks that make them more vulnerable, less resistance, more agreeableness about situations dangerous to them.
Destiny: I am the god king of online political debaters.
Also Destiny: literally laughs at someone who followed Destiny’s advice for what to do when getting raped
Kudos to her for trying to call it out while happening, but I wouldn't expect that to work.
People who violate your consent usually know they're doing it, so you won't really get them to stop by pointing it out.
I don't know why Destiny and his homies thought that it would.
LITERALLY, that's the problem. And she could be risking her own personal safety in doing so. I have been in a situation where I had to stop an SA as it was in the process of happening and mentally I had to debate "if I stop this from happening to me, how likely is he to physically harm me in some other way or even kill me". Because any person, of any gender, willing to violate the consent of others is potentially okay with doing other significant harm to them and it can be difficult to predict where the line will be drawn.
This was my sense as well. For me, it wasn't assault like in the popular imagination. He was hurting me during sex and I asked him to stop and he said basically "please i'm about to cum" and kept going Despite me resisting him. It doesn't even have to be violent it can just be in the heat of the moment. Point is asking doesn't guarantee stopping and it doesn't guarantee safety.
A dear friend of mine opened up about their experiences regarding being sexually assaulted by a hook up in this way (stealthing) and I genuinly cannot imagine what kind of mindset you have to have to react to someone's sexual assault in the ways that Des tiny/De stinky have. Considering the lack of affective (emotional) empathy he keeps showing it's absolutely mind-boggling to me that he still has a following at all. It's genuinely repulsive and troubling.
I'm kinda glad at this point that I just happened upon ya and was never a destiny fan. This is just disgusting.
I watched destiny for a short bit when I started to be pulled left and what’s really funny about it is that I found out about vaush because of one of his many rants against him and I’m now a vaush enjoyer. Thanks Destiny!
Why do I get the feeling that in an alternate universe where she both felt him taking the condom off as he was doing it and also voiced her concerns like "Hey, don't stealth me, I agreed to have sex with a condom, not without one. We're done now. No more sex. I'm out." And he got mad and beat her? I guarantee you that a good chunk of these people would be like "Well if you felt he might have gotten violent, you shouldn't have said anything and just reported it after." Literally they will make up an excuse for any situation. No matter what the victim does, even if it's something they would explicitly advise that victim to do in a tweet thread, will ever be the "correct" course of action as long as an imperfect outcome is achieved. And there can never be a perfect outcome when someone explicitly violates your consent, even if everything after goes smoothly.
Edit: Turns out they literally just did that.
Most of their essential gripe ultimately is this woman had sex. They see her as a slut who got a reasonable punishment for her promiscuity. These same people would bemoan women and girls not being sexually open before settling down with someone as a prude.
Maybe if you're too immature to respect people's boundaries, you shouldn't be having casual sex, Destiny.
I haven’t watched Destiny in a long while, but I kinda thought Vaush was being hyperbolic and would just skip through D segments. That take was fucking nuts though, it’s odd seeing the guy who originally pulled me left with his JonTron debate say something so awful, then double down on it.
More proof that someone doesn't need to be a good person to dunk on fascists.
@@LimeyLassen I suppose, though I think he was probably a good person at the time. Not totally sure though, since I haven't watched much of his content.
Its been like 10 years. People change. And not always for good reasons
Jesus fucking Christ. Hearing Destiny laugh at that tweet was... bone chilling.
Misogyny is so normalised at the moment. Thanks for this great video Vaush!
at the moment? part of the problem - a bid part - is the inertia.
Tweet: "Stop doing this men"
Me, the clueless virgin: "Haha, surely not all men, right?"
Vaush: "There's a term for this; it's called stealthing"
Me: "Shit, enough people do it that there's a whole term for it? Fuck."
your family: oh fuck he watches vaush and takes his advice omega lul
I haven't been sexually assaulted, but I have been assaulted, and it does trigger a freeze response in me. I think it's because I usually had a smaller, secondary victim with me and I was afraid that if I ran, they wouldn't, and I am not in very good health so I know if I ran or fought I probably wouldn't get away anyway. People who haven't experienced it don't know that cloying, panicking terror where every single choice you could make to try and protect yourself is the wrong choice.
God how I feel you..
I don't think this aspect is really mentioned enough. Honestly, maybe it is, I make it a habit to not seek out this content or spaces. But situations where you're in, and someone has you a compromising, dangerous situation, you don't know what choices are going to help get you out, and which ones will get you put into more danger. That sense of immense weight on all your choices is paralyzing, as your mind has to run 4000 mph just to decide whether to do *anything*.
It's true horror. Not to be melodramatic, but these types of situations push you into volatile, vulnerable spaces, where you cannot know how you'll react until its either too late and over with, or too late and you're in a much worse situation.
I don’t know why people act like they don’t know it we were all taught this in school. The three responses to a perceived threat is fight, flight or freeze. We all know this.
@@valenciasaintilus9573 Some people think that there's always a "right" answer somewhere in there. There isn't.
As a destiny watcher, vaush is right. He's in the wrong, especially that laugh when he heard that quote about the "no"
You’re smarter than destiny then. You can do better.
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You probably would say "probably best to hold off", but I should hope you wouldn't laugh in their face after they got raped lol
@0 You know, there's a reason that your scenario is laughable beyond belief AND irrelevant to what actually happened, yet that is what you feel is the best way to defend Destiny.
Destiny laughing at such morbid details in this context made me physically curl up in disgust. He's really gone full contrarian & he's not looking back.
OMG that Rick Sanchez comparison was fantastic. Really sums up thoughts I had on people like Destiny and Mindwaves far better than I ever could.
As a woman who has been sexually assaulted, I can say that not only is it hard to confront someone who assaulted you, it’s sometimes hard to tell if you have even been assaulted. In my case, I was pressured into sex I didn’t want to have, was cut off from the exit, and he forced his hand down my pants with me wriggling away for a while until I relented and let him do what he wanted. It took me literal years to figure out that I had been raped because my exposure to the idea of assault was “it’s when a man beats you and forces you down and it’s violent and traumatizing”, but in my case I wasn’t physically injured, I experienced some physical pleasure, and I had “given consent”. Sexual assault happens in so many different ways and forms and girls are so encouraged to just “go with it”, it can be impossible to rationalize in your own head that it wasn’t ok, let alone tell the person who felt so entitled to your body as to violate you without a second thought.
This is what I was thinking. This is part of why it can happen repeatedly to the same person. I made someone come to the realization that they were SA'ed after the fact, because from childhood and throughout their marriage, they'd had their boundaries violated so much that they thought what happened was acceptable. These acts can just as easily be perpetrated by the people you trust. If you grow up in a sketchy environment, you're surrounded by sketchy people, and sketchy seems normal and inevitable.
And of course he's completely ignoring any religious indoctrination that may be at play.
further adding validity to the claim that destiny gets more and more reactionary and right wing every year
Dw, with the next rise of rightwingers online he'll swap sides again.
Lotta destiny stans in the comments section doing r*pe apologia and victim blaming.
Real liberal of you all. Really doing a good job convincing me you aren't conservative.
If I ever see Destiny's stupid little face he's not gonna have one anymore. He harassed a SA survivor and then laughed at her further pain as she revealed it after the social pressure of a content creator singling her out. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if we find out Destiny doesn't care about consent IRL either.
Yeah I could see him doing some onision-style antics in a few years.
He has become the onision of political streamers. I hope everyone can avoid him cause he might actually do something dangerous.
When I was raped I didn't even really process it until I was talking about my history with one of my current partners. It took me almost a decade to realize that when my ex-wife woke me up by being on top of me when I was too exhausted to even consider the possibility of consenting, was me being sexually assaulted and the fact that I ended up with some trauma resulting from that event.
That’s a really good point and I’m really sorry to hear you had to go through that.
@@linzlsleepy1627 thank you. I have fortunately gotten the chance to work through it in a safe place, and I have put enough distance between the event and now that I have mostly recovered.
what trauma did you get from that? the ultra realization your mega gay?
@@Turusolight mfs will say things like this but then wonder why people don’t like them
@@Turusolight having alot of difficulty falling asleep in the same room as other people. Often feeling safer having sex with complete strangers than with close partners. A feeling that my sexuality is more for other people than it is for me.
I can keep going.
One of the best, calmest and most well delivered Vaush takes in a while, great video.
Really, as sick as it made me feel, this is an excellent rebuttal to this insanity.
I'M the logical boy, I'M THE ONE WHO THINKS
The callous point is a good one; reminds me of the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd
He’s just genuinely an evil and despicable human being
@She belongs to the Skreets he’s turned into Sargon
bro you just commented about someone being evil and despicable to a guy that watches loli porn hahaha how dumb do you feel
This segment is important but did make me so incredibly sad. It certainly hurts to watch a man laugh when people call him on his terrible takes. Perhaps it's because I fear Destiny has done this to women or have justified crossing boundaries with women because "they never spoke up afterwards" or "they willingly take on the risk so..."
I'm not trying to invalidate your suspicion here.
However, I have a strong feeling Destiny does not have sex. His takes on sex and women in general don't sound like someone who fucks.
Could just be a garbage human tho
This is fascinating, because I've literally heard Destiny talk ON HIS STREAM about how hard it is to say no to someone in the moment.
While I wouldn’t consider it sexual assault, I have been pressured and coerced into sex. The sheer amount of victim blaming I encounter when I talk about it is outstanding. I can’t imagine getting this response if I had been fully sexually assaulted, it’s been bad enough as is
I'm not going to tell YOU how to interpret your situations personally because I don't know the circumstances behind it. But I would generally consider the pressure and coercion to be SA. The definition of consent includes that it must be enthusiastic and ongoing between all parties involved. I also just kinda think the phrase "fully assaulted" contributes to other people refusing to come forward about personal stories where they may have been gaslit or manipulated in some way. Again, I have no clue about your personal experiences, I'm just saying we need to be careful about how we talk about SA in a general sense.
I was also coerced, and one hundred percent the times I’ve mentioned it to later partners they’ve said something along the lines of oh, you should communicate more. Never mind that I said no at least ten times and he kept pushing and I cried during. It’s very disheartening to share it with people and not have them understand how powerless or manipulated I felt in the moment. I didn’t know what to do and couldn’t see the situation clearly until afterwards.
Victim blaming just makes it that much easier for those people to do what they do.
@@haleymilbrodt8080 Honestly im not even sure how I see it. On one hand, I feel like I might be delegitimizing my own experience and others who had the same thing, but on the other I feel like if I did call it SA, I’d be delegitimizing other peoples experiences that were much worse. It’s a weird grey area that makes it all the more difficult to talk about
it’s amazing how so many men are willing to expose themselves like this by just refusing to blame the assaulter rather than the assaulted
Spite politics can lead you towards the worst places, honestly. One could argue this is how the alt-right online came to be in the first place.
@She belongs to the Skreets With Destiny at this point he might as well become an unironic nazi purely for the sake of owning the twitter lefties.
I've never historically had a problem with Destiny, but this is a fucked up thing to say. As a survivor of sexual assault myself, I'd feel absolute rage if someone spewed this bile at me.
Disgusting. Shameful. I am embarrassed for him.
And with that laugh my last bit of good will to both Destiny and his fans withers and dies forever.
this was posted from a stream before the stream even ended, Vaush's editors are crazy fast
Less jumping the shark, more Destiny sitting on a raft made of Semtex as a Great White chews his face off.
The notion that he's doing this all based on spite is important- he's not stupid enough to believe the shit he's saying, but since he's already formed his opinion on this situation, he is unwilling to just bite the bullet on the fact that he was completely wrong in his assumptions in the first place. Emotionally weak
That makes the most sense.
He knows on some level he's wrong. But admitting that is 1000% off brand for Destiny.
Can anyone think of a time when he admitted, not in a passive aggressive way, that he was wrong?
i was raped last month, i wonder if destiny would laugh at me too.
like i dont hold any respect for the guy, and its just toxic, so incredibly toxic
I find it also quite bad that he keeps insinuating that person is sleeping around, when we don't know if it was a partner or spouse in the hypothetical
Destiny's favorite tactic is framing the argument so it's the victims fault and it's so fucking disgusting
*He broke down laughing at a woman's story of being raped. He is a bad person. If you defend him, you are a bad person.*
Almost as bad as sexually harassing several women in discord
@@kye4216 Holy shit your perspective is skewed as fuck. Stop huffing Destiny's farts and take a look at the world.
@@kye4216 Have you tried telling those women to use the block function?
@@VoltieBird I’m sorry but if you think being mean to a woman who was abused is worse than being the actual abuser you have a skewed perspective
@@kye4216 vaush has moved on from that type of behaviour, while destiny is getting worse and worse. cope
The NFT situation, combined with how much he had preached against hypocrisy, made me question if he was actually an honest actor, and made me much more critical of him in general.
The camel's back was bearing a lot of weight. Only a few more straws and I probably would've been done thinking of him as someone who acts in good faith or cares about what he talks about.
Then this happened. Imagine a camel who's back is a few straws away from breaking and then somebody drops a boulder on it.
Genuine question: anybody know where I could find the full debate/discussion video that those clips of Destiny laughing at sexual assault are from? Would be nice to have. Particularly because nothing's better than confidently dropping the whole video on someone who's demanding more context.
Destiny's post sounds like the Buzzfeed feminist's strawman of how an MRA acts like.
Yup!!
Destiny and Sargon should get together and discuss who wants to be the bigger edgelord. Next on destinys hit list of bad takes: "if you are being racialy harassed, why are you still living in that country?" and "if you are homeless, why are you not just getting a job and be productive!"
Notice how you didn't give a rebuttle to the latter of the two statements.
I just showed this video to a Destiny stan who asked for any examples of Destiny being hypocritical. They basically responded with "lol w/e! You can say Destiny is an asshole (he does it all the time) but victim-blaming somebody who was raped isn't hypocritical, because I say so"
tl;dr, Destiny fans are delusional.
DGG is arguably the most toxic community in left political streaming.
I never understood the whole destiny thing, he looks, talks, and acts like he's never been outside an apartment
Superb takedown of Destiny's tweets. Even when he was told that she has done his so-called "advice" in the past, he couldn't just take the fucking L and admit he was wrong. It doesn't take an intelligent person to know that maybe voicing your discomfort to someone who has already ignored your boundaries could led to a potential worse outcome. Destiny could apologise for his dogshit twitter rants, but I would not hold my breath.
Destiny totally ignores that fucking FREEZING UP is a very normal and common response to being sexually assaulted. "if you are noticing someone is about to sexually assault you and you can't say anything, you probably don't have the emotional maturity..."
uhhhh no. the thing is, you're probably so shocked that this person is doing something terrible, when you thought they were a nice and safe person, that you freeze in the moment. that's not emotionally immature, it's just natural fight/flight/freeze and your brain picked freeze...
I think a huge problem here is that giving "advice" online is often unconstructive and victim-blamey, especially if you're not even attempting to be at all kind about it.