Hey viper, I understand the advantages in starting either Long sword 3 pot vs dblade but what matchups do you go for which/what win con do you usually play for with each
@@alax155 when you become better on riven you can tell if you need e max or w max depending on matchup. If your new on riven just max e second because it's not bad. But sometimes maxing w is slightly better.
Ok viper so in one of your videos you were making comments on the fact that 'you can' t start Q with Irelia against Riven', and in this one you were putting in a bad light the fact that she started 'E'. I'm confused. Which one is right and which one is wrong? (specifically against Riven)
I can provide an answer. Irelia Q start is bad because Irelia needs passive stacks in order to fight Riven and Rivens outright power lvl 1 is much stronger, so Irelia cannot stack her passive. Q start is thus useless as if she uses q on a minion, Riven kills her. E start is the best choice because it allows Irelia to either decide to get farm with it, or take a short auto attack trade against riven and then disengage. Irelia makes a mistake here by farming and then walking into Riven, giving riven a free trade. I believe Viper is critiquing the irelia's movement considering how she used e. Fundamentally, no matter the elo, E start for Irelia should be best, if you assume the Riven is aware of how the match-up is lvl 1.
that isn't wrong as irelia you start Q if you would win the level 1 and E if you wouldn't win the level 1 irelia's mistake wasn't starting E but it was walking up to riven after using the E which lead to riven Q comboing while irelia only has aa the irelia player didn't respect the distance he should have kept between himself and riven while his spells (only spell because well level 1) were on cooldown for a challenger player it was probably due to him not respecting the dash on rivens Q. and at the top tier of play, every mistake is punished as Viper did in the end we all are humans. and it was a perfect example of how a top tier player still makes mistakes i didn't like vipers over rage into reksai but that's another topic
@@euwpredator862 irelia wins riven level1 get lane prio for gromp, if irelia doesnt know that in challenger i call it a mistake , no probs if u dont think the same
Does a challenger Irelia really start E to walk up to a Riven lvl1, cancel an auto, walk away, then int out the game?? There are literally silver players better than this.
@@paoloco9672 honestly false-I'm silver 3(with roughly the same MMR) and I faced an Irelia who maintained near-perfect farm in toplane. Missed maybe half a dozen cs in the first 10 minutes. It was awful, I had to fight to stay even close to even farm with him.
U talk a lot of trash for a pro player whos not one of the best top laners in NA, the reksai guy has a TH-cam channel and not click bait like u, teachs a lot, just be nice :)
Nice video bro, but I honestly don't think a guide for this matchup is even necassary anymore XD Irelia is trash since pre-season has begun :/ right now I would rate her C or B tier and defenitly not a Riven counter, almost as bad as Gangplank S11 XDDD
@@ireliatime9216 irelia top has close to a 45% winrate in platinum+ , with a 44,30 % win rate against Riven. As long as Riven isn't inting the matchup should go her way.
Why are you guys using data for games below master tier? An irelia matchup in challenger and an irelia matchup in diamond are not the same, not to mention that this specific irelia is supposedly bad
Answer: Just wait til you find a inting irelia matchup
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Video has no instruction as the title suggests. Viper forgets what Hecarim’s E does for 15 minutes, then Kai’sa carries the game.
answer: just win 4HEad
13:40
He didn’t walk back, just irelia doing irelia things lol
question : when should u go gore and hydra ? ty in advance
Hey viper, I understand the advantages in starting either Long sword 3 pot vs dblade but what matchups do you go for which/what win con do you usually play for with each
Answer: NA, so he somehow hard ints even tho this high chall
Loving the frequent uploads
Answer: get camped by your support
any advice on starting dblade vs long sword?
The reksai isn’t human ?? Man I can tell you haven’t been in gold/silver in a long time
Good title. Thank you editor. God bless
On a Riven Vs Irelia matchup, did u run Damage or CDR??
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Salve yetola
CDR
Dmg
Hi there, first of all love ur playstyle man :)
At 13:49 Rek'Sai's death is your fault were supposed to W not to R
4:42 that death was your fault. You had plenty of time to use q and help rek sai and kill them both.
3:05 that is a how much do i get shit on limit test lol
em um machup de riven contra irelia vc rusha dano ou cdr ?
Why do you max W secondly and not E?
More burst damage
@@lma0henry Weird... All the guides on the internet recommend maxing E secondly and I am confused asf now :))
@@alax155 when you become better on riven you can tell if you need e max or w max depending on matchup. If your new on riven just max e second because it's not bad. But sometimes maxing w is slightly better.
@@gogopanda1113 Thanks dude ^^ I just started playing her and that helps a lot :)
If you get ahead on riven with w max second the burst is just insane, no need to shield when they are dead
This is not what Irelia should do in challanger but still GG
Ok viper so in one of your videos you were making comments on the fact that 'you can' t start Q with Irelia against Riven', and in this one you were putting in a bad light the fact that she started 'E'. I'm confused. Which one is right and which one is wrong? (specifically against Riven)
I can provide an answer. Irelia Q start is bad because Irelia needs passive stacks in order to fight Riven and Rivens outright power lvl 1 is much stronger, so Irelia cannot stack her passive. Q start is thus useless as if she uses q on a minion, Riven kills her. E start is the best choice because it allows Irelia to either decide to get farm with it, or take a short auto attack trade against riven and then disengage. Irelia makes a mistake here by farming and then walking into Riven, giving riven a free trade. I believe Viper is critiquing the irelia's movement considering how she used e. Fundamentally, no matter the elo, E start for Irelia should be best, if you assume the Riven is aware of how the match-up is lvl 1.
Love watching your vids but ur music is always to loud to enjoy the video for the full length
this irelia is a joke. You should go against Irelia Carries U. Really would be an interesting matchup
they actually went against each other recently but viper was playing fiora. irelia carries you still stomped him tho when he counter picked
This irelia were so bad.. how can someone do in highelo such silver mistakes
The thresh was the best player on the team.
anyone know the name of the first song?
Runes?
U play sooo clean bro :o
simp
Not really true
The 2 people you roasted ended with a better KDA than you lol
Even rank one na doesn't have 1400 lp
lol right
Oh wow so different 1376 LP is so far from 1400. Rank 3 has 1446 LP what are you saying.
My dude 1v1 Irelia in a fat wave and won lol
hey. love your vids
He tilted after first death
He tilted at level 1 trade
nice match up guide
complains about team trolling. immediately trolls after
I used to miss all the time
Imagine losing to irelia vs riven
nice vid
se agradece el contenido.
how to play the matchup?
get a trolling irelia
Irelia starts e against riven, and its challenger. Just na things
that isn't wrong
as irelia you start Q if you would win the level 1
and E if you wouldn't win the level 1
irelia's mistake wasn't starting E but it was walking up to riven after using the E
which lead to riven Q comboing while irelia only has aa
the irelia player didn't respect the distance he should have kept between himself and riven while his spells (only spell because well level 1) were on cooldown
for a challenger player it was probably due to him not respecting the dash on rivens Q.
and at the top tier of play, every mistake is punished as Viper did
in the end we all are humans. and it was a perfect example of how a top tier player still makes mistakes
i didn't like vipers over rage into reksai but that's another topic
@@euwpredator862 irelia wins riven level1 get lane prio for gromp, if irelia doesnt know that in challenger i call it a mistake , no probs if u dont think the same
Does a challenger Irelia really start E to walk up to a Riven lvl1, cancel an auto, walk away, then int out the game??
There are literally silver players better than this.
thats too much of an exaggeration HAHAHAHA silver players wouldnt go near cuz they dont know care about cs
@@paoloco9672 honestly false-I'm silver 3(with roughly the same MMR) and I faced an Irelia who maintained near-perfect farm in toplane. Missed maybe half a dozen cs in the first 10 minutes. It was awful, I had to fight to stay even close to even farm with him.
Answer: Doesnt matter, Riven is op in comparison
Riven can't play from behind while other Champs can, she is not op
This was a Platinum IV game btw
? 29:42 check it
I came 2early...
same
Count me aswell
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is she pregnant??!
U talk a lot of trash for a pro player whos not one of the best top laners in NA, the reksai guy has a TH-cam channel and not click bait like u, teachs a lot, just be nice :)
Sometimes I just dont get this Videos, I get way better irelias on my Elo and im low plat.
I'm in Silver and I see Irelias better than that garbage
andrian is the best riven in the world
Don’t title videos like this please. He doesn’t even mention the matchup or gives any tips. Misleading for no reason.
Riven always win Irelia. Always!!!!!!!!
too toxic my dude
Nice video bro, but I honestly don't think a guide for this matchup is even necassary anymore XD Irelia is trash since pre-season has begun :/ right now I would rate her C or B tier and defenitly not a Riven counter, almost as bad as Gangplank S11 XDDD
Good thing viper doesn’t only make videos for grakala montages
Irelia isn't trash this irelia is kinda bad playing xD
@@ireliatime9216 irelia top has close to a 45% winrate in platinum+ , with a 44,30 % win rate against Riven.
As long as Riven isn't inting the matchup should go her way.
irelia literally got buffed today so your even stupidier than you sound
Why are you guys using data for games below master tier? An irelia matchup in challenger and an irelia matchup in diamond are not the same, not to mention that this specific irelia is supposedly bad
Bad irelia
Cringe 1v1
Gift me any riven skin