Lab Notes: Back from vacation, and trying to make lithium (and failing) - March 27th 2019
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- So i've been trying to make lithium in a similar way to making sodium as shown in previous videos. But lithium synthesis appears to be very slow. Fortunately, this proves that all our previous samples of sodium that was made using lithium is probably very pure since lithium cannot be made under the same conditions.
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#sodium #Lithium
When either Cyberpunk 2077 or Borderlands 3 is released, on that day i'll vanish from the face the earth for a few months. Do not look for me, you will not find me. ;)
Hope you are as hyped for the gearbox pax east announcement as I am~
Gabe said "don't die in the next 5 years" whatever that means. HL3 maybe...?
I hope they don’t make Borderlands 3 exclusive to Epic Games on PC as rumours say...
I have a feeling the world economy is going to grind to a standstill the day Cyberpunk 2077 releases as everyone just stays home to play it.
No, one has not lived until you have tried R6. If most games are alchemy, this is the chemistry of video games. Realistic, fun, and very easy to get lost in (in a good way)
Ah, Borderlands 2. I see you are a person of culture.
Borderlands 2 and Nurd Rage? Two of my favourite things!
welcome back, and no need to apologise mate! you did some amazing work for the amateur community, and you gotta take care of yourself too. If you need a break, take one - it's far better than getting burned out with your work.
Take as much of a break as you need, you definitely earned it!
One more proof of NurdRage being canadian: Apologies for going on a much deserved break. Welcome back.
A chemist playing elemental maya, I wonder if those two are linked.
Been wondering where you were. Glad to see you're back!
Don't be sorry for needing a break, we all need a break from monotony bro!
Glad to see you're back! Always love watching and learning from these videos.
Never apologize for taking a break. You’ve more than earned it with your contributions to this community. Thanks for giving us an update. I’m excited to see what’s next.
Studying Chemistry destroyed my interesst in it in just 1,5 years, but I still enjoy watching other people doing stuff.
Welcome back man and also big fan of borderlands.
You discovered something not previously known, and opened up a huge number of people to a whole new area of chemistry. Vacation totally deserved
You've freakin' earned that vacation, though! Also, would be really cool to see the Rb/Cs-equivalent of the reaction, even though it isn't really all that amateur friendly!
You dont need to apologize everyone needs a break now and then.
Nothing to apologize for, NurdRage. You gotta do what you gotta do. While it might be better to burn out than to fade away, better still to pace yourself and not burn out at all. Cheers, dude!
Do what you need to do man I think most of us are just happy your still making videos
Horaaaaaay
He didn’t Doug’s Lab us :D
Rsaramallac what ever happened to Doug's lab?
Thank god you're back!
No need to apologize for taking a vacation! You deserve it after that Sodium series!
I can’t believe you actually play BL2. Thats amazing.
Don't apologize for taking a vacation you deserve it the same if not more than us consumers of content.
Awesome update. A route to Li, would be cool, but great to know about the impact on Na process. That locks down my approach for replicating your work. The kids will have a blast with the demo when I get some Na - pun intended.
Never worry about taking a break, I'm just happy you're able to do what you do, and still manage to balance personal time. Too much pressure has diluted the quality of many a YT channel.
I hope you enjoyed your break, you certainly deserved it.
Sometimes you just need a break. Even if you did mostly nothing you did do one thing, rested. Welcome back.
I'm intrigued, some very interesting possibilities in this update.
I see your vacation is playing borderlands, man of culture I see
As a geochemist, one of my biggest complaints is that there is no journal regarding what not to do. There have been times where I have tried a new techniques that I just know should work because the stoichiometry says it should, but when I do it, if things happen, its all the wrong things, only to find out that one of my colleagues tried a similar or the same process years ago and figured out that it didn't work then. Having a published "What not to do" journal would make life that much easier. I am glad I get to see other chemists fail (and you didn't fail, you learned it just took a LOT longer than you expected) and let other people know what they did and how it failed. For this I take my hat off to you sir!
Welcome back!
Agreed, life as we know it ceases on cyberpunk 2077 day. MRE's ready, blackout blinds ready, caffeine stockpile ready. Bring it on lol
I'm a simple man I see Borderlands I click...
You can do it at room temperature with electrolysis. You do it with Lithium Phosphate and Sodium Phosphate and a salt bridge. At the reducing side, you build up a saturated solution of LiOH. past a certain concentration, the water reaction to LiOH is too slow and you get a buildup of solid lithium on the cathode. I haven't tried it but I did do an experiment that suggested making a salt-bridge using agar and NaOH works. So you get ion exchange from phosphate to hydroxide. The Sodium Phosphate is there in significant amounts simply for ionic strength in order to raise the solubility of Li3P04 to reasonable levels. There is at least one patent on this.
Point of interest- The BL3 trailer has a Shift code for a BL2 skin hidden in it. I grabbed it off google, maybe you want to snag it too. I’ve been streaming BL2 lately and suddenly there are TONS of BL2 things popping up all over. Pretty neat.
*We will always return.*
While lithium hydroxide doesn't have an appreciable reaction with glass in the molten state, lithium metal does - this is why you can't melt lithium in a glass ampoule. Maybe try a different container with the same reactants and see if it helps? Something like stainless steel, if you have a setup for it?
Just an observation, reaction rates appear to be in order of lowest melting points. Could phase limit some part of the reaction?
I noticed that trend in reaction rates, and have planned to attempt this reaction with cesium. I have cesium carbonate which I've used to make cesium from a reaction with lithium, and mixing a solution of that in ethanol with an ethanol solution of sodium hydroxide should precipitate sodium carbonate and leave a solution of cesium hydroxide. This could then be dried with lithium tert-butoxide (although, now that I think about it, I'm not sure why I didn't think lithium metal would work), mixed with dry mineral oil (I have some that once had cesium metal in it and now is probably very dry and contains cesium compounds), and reacted.
But I'm quite busy these days, so you might get to this first.
I get my Lithium by opening 2032 batteries, I was amazed by the quantity there was in there.
I discovered it when I needed to make a dummy/proxy 2032 battery for a project. when I opened a 2032 battery to empty it I noticed that inside the battery-button one side had a thick slab of Lithium which I could scrape of with a screwdriver.
Nice find! Thank you. :o)
Can we take a moment to appreciate that 7 hours ago the official borderlands 3 trailer was released, less than a day after NurdRage talked about it? I mean, we all knew he would one day control the world, but this soon?
Try to use a sand bath to heat the Li extraction apparatus. This allows you to reach higher temperatures without destroying the glassware
For making sodium from aluminium instead of magnesium, because of the highly unreactive aluminium oxide, I recommend finding an organic compound that is able to react with the aluminium oxide (alcohol or others with labile H) and expose the reactive aluminium layer? As you mentioned, the thermodynamics tells us it's favourable, so why not try that route? Also, find a counterion that binds well enough to aluminium, but not too strongly, so that the reaction will still proceed. Could try (i-PrO)3Al, I'm not sure. Just a hunch.
So this video is relatively old (not sure how I missed it, stupid TH-cam) but I thought I'd mention that the critical hit location for loaders is at their connecting joints, which makes them less dangerous and obviously does more damage. Love the channel!
Also, if you read the Gaylord DMSO technical bulletin, it says that all the alkali metals excepting lithium have been obtained with electrolysis in DMSO. So, that's one avenue for potassium.
Ahh bl.. I see you're a man of culture as well! 😆 bet you was watching the past stream today too 😁
Maya is easily the best character in Borderlands 2, especially in ultimate vault hunter mode where keeping things slagged is necessary to fight their hp regeneration.
Also, heres a tip for "Arms Dealing": go park your vehicle at the furthest place you have to go, walk back, then pick up the arms, then use the vehicle spawn point to teleport to your already positioned vehicle :D
Also: the BL3 trailer just dropped.
Sodium aluminate isn't always NaAlO2. It can form various ways kinda like how sodium silicate can, so that might mess up your reaction more than you expect. I suspect that, like lithium, liquid sodium metal can also react with aluminum metal (which is in excess, so you know it is present enough to cause problems) to form intermetalics that probably won't break up even in a dioxane cleaning.
Aluminum's lower reactivity than magnesium (particularly at these temperatures) doesn't help get the reaction started enough for the above possible problems to start causing issues. Since aluminum isn't very alkaline like magnesium, it may run into a problem that the catalysts just aren't enough without going to much higher temperatures where they probably aren't stable anyway.
Would using more than 250°C be a feasible way to accelerate the lithium production?
Or will there be more problems resulting from that? (evaporation, ...?)
Holy S**T! A gameplay footage on a NurdRage video!?
Hey man we all need vacations, we understand.
Is this a gaming channel now? Hell yeah.
Have you tried electrolysis with propylene carbonate as electrolyte? Apparently it can make alkali metals at room temperature.
I'd love to see a video on that.
Apologizing for not making much content after revolutionising small scale sodium production! Making sodium easily accessible changes a lot of people's worlds dude!
I didn't have any luck with potassium and tetrahydralinalool. Give it a go and see if its just me.
Nurdrage is a gamer? Proof gamers are the smartest people.
Hey, we all need a break sometimes. I'm excited to see how the Li and K experiments progress.
On my own, I've been playing around with ascorbic acid as a reducing agent; so far I've used it successfully on Cu and Fe salts. I'm not sure if it's appropriate for alkali metals, but I'd be interested in what its limits might be in that regard and why.
Ascorbic acid will theoritcally wont work because it needs to be in a solvent, which will most likely react with the metal. The alkali metal atom is an extremely strong bond to the hydroxide. So it may not be possible. You can try, but most likely it wont work.
@@cal7103 Yeah, should've specified I was wondering about using a less reactive solvent, although of course that might make dissolution difficult. Like I said, I don't expect it to work so simply, or it would have been done already, but fun to mess around with.
@@scabbarae Ascorbic acid looks fun to play around with, getting metal powders. Good idea though about the reducing agent.
Borderlands 3 soon!
you play borderlands and ur a chemistry nerd wtf i've found my soul mate.
NurdRage Gaming Channel confirmed?
Whhhaaaatt? I literally just played The Pre-Sequal all day & finished up 15 minutes ago :)
Wow my brain. I thought this was a nile red video when I clicked on it and its a nurdrage video with borderlands content. @-@
It would be interesting to see how fast Rubidium is produced. Also do you think Rb and Cs metals could be made using lower temperatures?
Nurdrage ftw!!!
@NurdRage Have you tried to see if there's any difference between using magnesium powder, as opposed to turnings? Powder should be much more reactive due to higher surface area.
Did you try a strong base as a catalyst? Such as, precisely, potassium tert-butoxide? My own theory about this way to reduce alkali metal hydroxides is that the use of a strong base abstracts a proton from the hydroxide, and the rest of the reaction follows. With potassium, the potassium tert-butoxide is formed in situ (it is a stronger base than KOH). With sodium, probably sodium-menthoxide has a greater pKb than sodium hydroxide. Since lithium hydroxide is a weaker base than potassium hydroxide, I wonder what would happen if you tried with a tiny amount of KOH (or potassium tert-butoxide) as a catalyst, and not an alcohol.
Cesium is fun, even too much fun
How about activating Al surface with mercury chloride catalyst? It is done in some organic syntheses as a substitute for better reducing agents - like Lithiun Aluminium Hydride (LAH).
Exactly what I was thinking! Aluminium amalgam is extremely reactive.
@@RushilFernandes Maybe even gallium could be used as a non-toxic (and non-volatile) alternative.
but ceasium cloride is decently easy to get, and you could make CaOH by electolysis of CsCl.....right?
Borderlans still one of the best loot-shooters
Keep the wind in your own sails, vacay all you need! I'm mostly a cooking guy but have a basic lab, and you are definately an inspiration to me. Mainly just e t h a n o l so far but was thinking of trying some other solvents for cleaning any future mishaps, any easy/safe recommendation?
Make acetone by dry distillation of calcium acetate. NileRed did it already.
Would you try to use gallium aluminum alloy to make sodium? It probably won't be cost effective, but just sort of a proof of concept.
Have you seen that new Borderlands 3 teaser tho? Dude _I'm_ having an exothermic reaction.
Edit: No need to apologise for taking a needed break. As someone who dabbles in various creative projects constantly, I completely understand getting burned out but still feeling compelled to rush and finish something, just for the sake of calling it finished. Self-care, in whatever form it takes for you, is hella important.
Looks like a nice vacation. I look forward to some less serious videos.
😕 ...no discussion of the mechanism? How does menthol catalyze the reaction? Does sodium just like that refreshing feeling?
Your coke can experiment seems more psychological than chemical, wow people really seem to dislike complexity.
Didn't Cody buy his cesium straight off of ebay? Unless there's something I'm missing, like difficulty importing it, CsCl seems to be available for $0.5-1 per gram which doesn't seem too bad.
you oughtta twitch stream your down time. would be interesting to watch you play borderlands, or even play with viewers. maybe it'll be interesting to play borderlands with someone else who understands chem. or maybe it'll end up being a terrible idea that you can be sure that you will never revisit.
yeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh borderlands whoooo
Would it be worth a try with the most reactive pyrotechnic grade aluminium, perhaps even ballmilling a batch together from scratch before heating? After all, they need to be careful when making it so it doesnt turn in to an explosive spontanious reaction.
No worries man! Your videos are always amazing and inspirational for science. Also...hype for Borderlands 3 yo! :D
You have great taste in games. Did you watch any "The Expanse" as well, during your downtime?
Can you do electrolysis in a mineral oil solvent? The oil itself is pretty non-conductive. But would a catalyst alcohol make it conductive to produce alkali metals that way?
Now I'm curious if it's possible to do this with elements in the Group 2 category like Strontium and Barium.
Hi Mr Nurd... Here i will asking some question, for making calcium chloride. The question is: can i make calcium chloride with only solving CaCO3 on H2O and injecting Chlorine gas into the CaCO3 +H2O solvent? Thank you for the answer...
Has there been any more investigation into lithium production?
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Looking forward to new vids!!
You're all over huh
Don't worry about the videos, quality over quantity.
At one point you say "the lithium also converts into sodium by ion displacement (i think)". What do you mean by that?
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I was just playing Borderlands 2 earlier today! :D
Nice gameplay
Nice vid!
Can I burn a mixture of Al powder and NaOH in a steel can with fire fuse to make Na-Al2O3 aggregation and then extract sodium by 1,4-dioxane ? May be it is better than mineral oil with catalyst.
Believe it or not , im willing to bet a big chunk of the gang around here loves to game. Might be a really fun way to interact with subs and patreons. Do a discord .
I myself never played boarderlands. I play alot of warthunder , and am looking into Post Scriptum. Also received Tom Clancy's new game . I have no idea what it's about. Just thinking outloud.
Get as much fresh air and change of pace as you can take. You only get one chance at this life.
Just curious would it be possible to put a potential in the vessel on the Aluminum step to force it out of its passive region?
U play Bl2?
Lets get 2 more people, might be a fun video haha
I hope borderlands 3 happens, bl2 is really old but still great, a legend
hell yea self love, take time
Are you the god of sodium?
I heard that it is possible to make lithium by electrolysis of lithium chloride in pyridine, I did not check if its true tho
you could always make a gaming channel.... people would enjoy it