Put half the difference in cost between a Hellcat and the RS into basic mods and it’ll serve you all three meals with snacks for good measure and still have fuel left. All that with have the cylinders. PS, nice beekeeper gloves.
I guess you think a... Veyron Aventador LP 700-4 M5 E 63 AMG RS7/S6 Panamera Turbo S are ALL Boats too and shouldn't be allowed on a track? They are ALL FAT/Heavy cars.
JerseyMikeP well let’s see. The Bugatti veyron had a Nurburgring time of 7:40.... over 1,000hp and it’s only 3 seconds faster than a Honda Civic type r? K..... (not to mention the Bugatti probably gained like 10 seconds on the long straight) the aventador is sub 4 thousand pounds that ain’t no boat, the m5? 7:38 so only 5 seconds faster than a type r civic with double the power..... E63 AMG? Dude... Renaults and clios are faster.... a Volvo S60 went faster... the Audi RS7 idk enough about it to really know how good or bad it is. The Panamera Turbo S is maybe the most impressive being over 5k lbs but it has as much hp as the aventador but tied the M5 in time.... so idk man you tell me.
I find nothing more fun than watching two totally different classes of cars compete against each other. A nimble, zippy 4wd hothatch vs. a muscle car american rwd sedan. Yeah baby. Reminds me a bit also of Best motoring, those crazy mofos had some of the best races of street cars.
I agree. And it shows the huge differences in the strengths of each of those cars. While the Hellcat is great on straiths everything else is pulling away in the curves.
@@StuartOliver83 well, you would be the only one with a '68 Challenger. There is no such thing. So it's nice to want. 🤐 I'll take the Hellcat since it exists.
The driver asked if he could make sure it would only shift when he wanted it to. Slide the shifter to the left in Manual mode. Then use the paddles. It will only shift when you command then. Looked like a lot of fun.
yeah yeah, lol...been getting beaten up for that comment! We had talked about the setup of the car prior to that lap. It was decided that we would leave it in "auto" for the first lap. Well, shortly into the lap, he didn't like the shift points & asked what the options were. I told him paddles, because he knew about those already, but I didn't tell him about the "bump shift" option on the stick. His 2nd lap the tranny was in "TRACK" mode, which was better, but his 3rd lap he used the paddles & liked it the best.... & yeah, it was a blast - thanks for watching!
Nice run, looks like it handles better than I expected. Dodge did a good job controlling the weight and your driver did a good job taking it through the turns. Must have been a lot of fun.
@@Perifroog 700 vs 350 is double horsepower. The faster your moving the less the weight to power ratio becomes. From a stop yes HP to weight is extremely important. These guys are already going 100 mph so double the horse of another vehicle is important
And don't forget the price difference!Power to weight is all relative, I mean a gocart has a bigger power to weight ratio than the Hellcat so why cant it beat it?Dumb argument.
Lmao the Focus driver was pretty bad. A RS should smoke a Hellcat charger on the ring with a good driver. Hellcat had Multiple opportunity to pass but RS didn’t let them even at one point signalled to stop them. They then waited until the VERY END to pass him, showing true horse power. Not to mention they were on his tail pretty much the entire track. A so called “boat” everyone loves to hate, apparently can keep up with that RS 🤭🤣
That maybe the case with this clearly modified ‘grocery’ getter lol. First and foremost, the charger HC is designed for the 1/4 mile. So, to pull this pig onto the ring and keep up with then smack down the ‘grocery’ getter is awesome well deserved lol.
The fact that a car that nobody claims to be a track car with 2 or 3 adults in it kept up with a Focus RS on the twisties is pretty impressive. On the open road the Focus would be a dot in the rear view mirror.
@@emmanuelcavalcante3451 its an american car with two gentlemen speaking american, why do you think just because its in europe the speedo would be in kph? Lol
@@robertjusic9097 speaking american??? Lol. Well, I cant imagine this thing cornering at 160kmh/100mph, it had to be 100kmh. Although it doesnt accelerate as much as I thought it was going to, at some straights I thought they where mph, but definitely kmh.
That's the point. This car has zero utility. A big block engine with no way to put that power down on the road. Effectively meaning its just inefficient engineering. If you're going to have crazy power, develop the car in a way that you can put the power down on the road and set a real laptime. Otherwise it's a waste of time getting dubbed by a Ford Focus.
@@farzana6676 inefficient engineering eh? Find me a 4 door family sedan that will beat a hellcat charger in a straight line drag race OR on the track. Also, the hellcats the first car to hit 200+ MPH that can be bought stock right from a store Wait, did i forget to mention its a 4 door family car with 4,500 pounds of safety? Yea, these engineers suck!
@@nicholaspatino2427 Im a big tesla fan, cant wait to see the things they make in the future. Electric cars in the decades to come will slaughter everything. Just saying chargers arent "poorly" engineered :)
haha....don't tell my buddy Daniel Brown (check out his channel) that! His Focus RS is one quick little car. We just got back from German Race Wars (I'll have videos of that posted soon) & he was side-by-side with a Challenger HC up to the 1/8th mile marker! thx for watching!
Nice that you let the instructor put his money where his mouth was. I thoroughly enjoyed this video and it was nice to see a capable driver with knowledge of the track do his thing. You guys are living my dream, don't stop.
Mista Butterworth te focus laid off the gas ,move to the side then you pass him,the after a minute the race was over,the dodge is way faster then that focus, but I guess he can cornered faster
Ryan No Thanks - Yes, look at me defending a car over 1,000 pounds heavier, with two grown men in it... Which would have blown a Focus RS away on that straight even if it hadn’t let off to save face, lol.
Mista Butterworth nice so how many were in the focus? Could've been more than 1 but let's not point that out. 1000 pounds and 3 dudes outweighs 400 hp difference? Lol k bud. Hey good, you learned something, driving is rarely in a straight line. Must be nice driving all these places where you guys go in a straight line all the time. Not even to mention the RS is running with a blown head gasket right cause remember that engines a POS like all you are quick to point out. You guys are a bunch of bench racing idiots. Respect decent cars no matter who makes them or what the badge says. Keep a simple mind and see where that gets you in life.
They're a great track car but the guy driving this one wasn't a very good driver. There were several places he should have let us pass, but he didn't. We have a friend here w/a Focus RS. Driver Jon has actually driven that car here on the Nordschleife & the GP course. Had Driver Jon been driving that RS, we would have never seen him again, lol! If you like Focus RS's, check out my buddy Dan Brown's channel - "TRACK FOCUSED". Thanx for watching!
@@ru55ells the Megane is THE FASTEST hatchback out here, so that shouldn't be any surprise. Take the best "track focused" hatchback with a good driver & yeah, he should "get by easily enough" against a 4600lb muscle sedan driven by an extremely experienced driver, driving the car for the very first time WITH 2 passengers.........
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 Thanks for the reply. For the record I happen to like American muscle cars a lot. So if I've got this right if they are both stock and unhindered the Megane beats the Focus by about 20 seconds, the Hellcat by 10 seconds and the track is like 20km long? so like it gains half a second on you per Km, although it probably doesn't pan out that equally. There's a good probability that neither are stock, so who knows how it really stands. Since you're already going at speed and that's your main advantage. I'm not sure your weight has that much effect with all that power. I own a facelift MK2 Focus ST and obvs would much rather I had your car, but I think your use of the word 'plays' implies you think you could easily beat it upon your demand, but it didn't look that way. if you factored in the cost difference and your assessment of the other drivers ability.... I'm wondering if maybe a more respectful title would have been more appropriate?
@@ru55ells The '19 Megane put up a time of 7:55 here. The '16 Focus RS did a time of 8:06 (faster than a Mustang GT, lol!). ALLEGEDLY, a '15 Challenger Hellcat did a 7:51 here but I can find ZERO proof of it & while that time MIGHT be possible, I still hold it as nothing more than "MOPAR Urban Legend". IF Driver Jon was driving all 3 of those cars, all stock & all with a good set of tires on it, I would guess that the Megane would win & the Focus RS & Hellcat would both be a close second. The Ring is 20.7 km long, with 79 curves (167 or so turns) & 1500' of elevation change (500m or so). Many of the turns are both decreasing radius turns AND negative camber - so chassis setup is key. Lighter weight cars, regardless of horsepower disadvantages, will excel. 700+ horsepower can do a lot to over come inertia, but not physics, lol! As far as the title goes, when I say "play" I don't mean like a "cat w/a mouse" & it's nothing disparaging towards the Focus. It's meant that we were LITERALLY "playing around with" the Focus. This was Driver Jon's very first time behind the wheel of this car, WITH 2 passengers (one of whom OWNED the car, lol). He is WAY to experienced a driver to simply throw the Hellcat around a track like this without learning its setup & what it will handle - thus he was just getting a feel for the car. Also, he has DRIVEN a Focus RS here on the Ring, so he knows EXACTLY what that car can do - which is why we know the driver of THIS RS is not driving it to its full potential. I have a TON of respect for the RS - it punches WAY above it's weight class. It will stay side by side w/a Hellcat all the way up to 1/8th mile in a drag race. If you REALLY want to see what a RS can do, go check out my buddy Dan Brown's channel "Track FOCUSED" & watch him pull some laps here OR, better yet, watch Driver Jon pretty much lap the entire FIELD on the GP track, lol! It was EPIC! Thanx for watching!
Couple points - this was his first serious lap in the car so he was not pushing the limits of the car by any stretch. There were a couple spots he could have overtaken the RS sooner. Driver for driver, the RS is capable of putting up just as fast a lap time as the HC, simply because its BUILT to do this. Jon has driven both on the Ring. So yes, for the money, if you want a track car, the Focus RS is a great car for the money (on the autobahn or drag strip I'd take the HC anytime!!). Thx for watching!
Guys, don’t sleep on that Focus. It’s a formidable car. The Focus has been hot for quite some time, in Europe. In the states were just getting these car in the new world car configuration. Fords and Opels were hot for years around the world. Ford gave us crap cars in the US. The Focus. The Granada. Monster cars in performance and reliability. Both completely different cars than their US counterparts. Much like GM and the Holden cars in Australia. That STI is a beast! Tuned, it’s an M3 contender at a basement price.
You should check out my buddy Dan Brown's channel "Track Focused". There is a great video of Driver Jon driving Dan's Focus RS on the GP course here - one Porsche 911 got away from him, but he literally lapped the rest of the field. EPIC run for him. Thanx for watching!
@@JayOgle Ford Focus RS 350 HP vs a Hellcat 808 HP. To be honest, this video shows the great strengths of american muscle cars on straits and exposes it's weakness when is gets curvy.
Looks like great fun!! I'm sure once you get use to the limits of the car you will be faster. Have to learn the car first and see how far you can safely push the hellcat. Awesome 4door!!!!
yeah....you could tell by his later 2 laps how much more comfortable he was getting in the car. Really hope he can come back in the spring & turn some more laps in it once it has better tires & brakes. thx for watching!
This was the first time behind the wheel of the car for Driver Jon (+ 2 passengers in it as well), so he was just starting to get a feel for what it would handle, thus why he was just "playing around". Focus RS is a great track car, but the driver of the blue one is not on the same level as Jon. Thanx for watching!
@@1badmach103 Go check out my friend's channel "Track Focused" - he has several Nurburgring laps as well as Driver Jon running his Focus RS on the GP course here. Some great vids!
@2:26 he asked if he could have it not shift unless he hit the paddles, you said no but yes you can... just slide the shift lever over to manual mode & it will not shit unless you hit the paddles or shift with the lever ...oh BTW I LOVE THESE VIDs, intense! like im there lol
Yeah.... I got beat up for that when i first posted this one, lol. Yes, you can bump shift, but prior to the lap I only talked to him about the paddles & he didn't want to use it for the first lap. When he asked, I didn't think about it but I also didn't want to try to explain something while he was driving so I didn't bring it up afterwards. His 3rd lap (the Mustang lap) he used the paddles & liked that in TRACK mode the best. Thanx for watching!
@@JayOgle i dont have anything aganst the Hellcat. I want one. But it is waht it is. That focus could have 3 people in it also. It also has 300+ hp less. But it did keep ahead of the hellcat. And thats a fact.
"get the beamer, get the beamer" was a joke from our prior conversation @ Devil's Diner while we were waiting for the track to reopen.....lighten up Francis..... if you want more BMW action watch the Mustang GT lap - had a nice, heavily modded M2 running hard....
Bavarian MOPAR Works tbh, it’s good to see other cars apart from the usual euro crowd which is why I was interested in the vid. I admit I fully expected the M2 to be reeled in eventually though.....
@@and79 Couple points to remember: 1) BMW's (especially that orange tricked out bitch in the "Mustang GT" lap!) are just SO good though the curves - their braking points are so much shorter than most other cars. It's hard to keep up. Thus the jokes about "get them" & 2) Driver Jon is a HELL of a driver, but this was his VERY first time behind the wheel of the Hellcat, we had 2 other people in the car, it wasn't HIS car (was mine!) & we had just started playing around with the different setups. He was not pushing the car anywhere NEAR its limits on this lap - he was being cautious & safe/smart. You can see him get a feel for what she would hold the more he drove it. If you want to watch more playtime w/BMWs, check out that "Mustang GT" video on my channel. thanx for watching!
@@uncleartax The yellow one in this video. Its a french car, just broke the Type R FWD record on the N-ring by 3 seconds and the Type R is faster around the track than both the RS and the Charger.
Most people don't realize that there wouldn't be a FORD, without DODGE. The Dodge Brothers actually built the Model T's for Ford and they were just a coach company and just mounted the bodys on the chassis. The one Dodge brother was actually VP of Ford for a while....Until FORD got Greedy.
lmao. i thought it was funny.. mostly because the hellcat transmission is so primitive that you can't shift solely on the paddle shifters?? the other guy just said NO. lmao. most cars even cheap Kia's allow you to fully shift with paddles only..
@@dubgli An 8 speed auto with paddle shifters and is 700hp capable is primitive to you? You must have some really nice stuff. And just about any auto with paddles will go ahead and shift for you if you redline or stop shifting. The pcm is programmed to protect the engine. But this is much to primitive for a connoisseur such as yourself, good thing you have your Kia to stick to.
this isn't a race track where its ok to bump or rub cars out of your way when they are faster. We let him go by thinking he was going to be faster... he wasn't, but then he wouldn't return the favor so he kept blocking..... Focus RS is a great car, but the driver of this one wasn't a good driver....
frank bevan - And apparently it takes more than 300 horses for a Focus to lose a Hellcat bud - even with traffic. The Charger would have finished him on the Döttinger Höhe straight regardless.
Great point you make when you say the challenger is a hand full when out of the groove. This car has to be on the high end of the fun meter on any track even though it's not a great handler.
think he let off cuz he knew there was no way he would have stayed ahead anyway, but I get what you're saying, lol. I wish he wouldn't have blocked us earlier - would have been fun to try to stay in front the rest of the way. Thanks for watching!
yeah.... problem with anonymous social media is you tend to get a lot of jealous "keyboard warriors" who have no experience driving a car fast, ,much less on a track & who think because they own Forza or Need for Speed that they are knowledgable...... videos were posted for people to enjoy it simply for what they are, instead folks want to read into the titles & get butt hurt, lol! Thanx for watching!
P Zero Summer's on the car - 275's up front, 295's rear. Tires at the time of THIS lap were about half way through their life span (for me, I get around 6-8000 miles before they get slick.....had around 3k on them here with some 1/4 mile pulls as well). Previously, coming out of TH-cam corner, she stepped out on me with 275's on the rear. As you may have heard me state in the video, they did much better w/the 295's in that same area. This was Driver Jon's 1st time behind the wheel of the car....by his 3rd lap (the Mustang GT lap), he had the setup how he liked it & started pushing the car a little more...but by then the tires were truly gone. Everyone stateside talks bad about the Pirellis, & I know there are better tires, but for the money they do pretty damn well all around (drag racing, autocross as well as 200+mph on the autobahn). Thanx for watching!
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 this is an inspiring and fun video to watch. I own a '18 392 Charger and its fun for me. I currently run a 275/315 Atturo setup with Eibach Pros, and a front strut bar, and she's still large around corners. I could only imagine running a Hellcat on a track, let alone the most sophisticated track in the world. Are you guys military or prior? How did the track become available for use like that. I know you can pay for track laps and such but usually people stationed overseas get to enjoy it more often than not. I'm stationed stateside but dream of running both Autobahn and Nurburgring some day. Sweet content on the channel. I assume this is the passengers channel? Thanks for the detailed reply.
@@freedom_gaming23 yeah, sounds like you got a nice ride! Mine is still pretty much stock other than a carbon fiber rear spoiler & diffuser, Powerstop Z26 pads up front & the 295's on the rear. Getting stationed here & being able to afford & get a Hellcat shipped here was a "once in a lifetime" opportunity for me the I couldn't pass up. If you have get a chance to come here, DO IT! Germany is great - & the autobahn is better, lol! The Nurburgring has touristenfarhten days (open track days). You can buy laps for around €29 for 1 lap on the Nordschleife OR a 15 min session on the GP track. I'm hoping to do some more laps as well as going back to German Race Wars in May. Also looking to attend a couple of the rolling 1/2 mile races too..... surprisingly good car scene over here.
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 that's sweet. If you dont mind me asking, what branch you serve in? I have some cousins in the Army out there. Myself, I'm Navy...but hope that one day I can get stationed out there. Worse case scenario may just buy a ticket and take vacation out there
great vid but keep in mind based on MSRP nearly 2 times more expensive 2 times more HP, much more tq, comes with only automatic etc........even you overrun him it should not be a surprise buddy....
Don't sell the RS too short. We know EXACTLY what it can do & it is a very capable hatchback. Horsepower, torque, cost - they mean absolutely nothing here on a road course. It's all about your car's setup. I drive the Hellcat here because its fun as hell, but the RS is a MUCH better track car. Driver for driver, the RS will beat a Hellcat on a track every time. This "race" was only close because the RS driver here was inexperienced while Driver Jon was taking it easy because this was his first time driving the HC. If you want to see what a Focus RS can do here with a good driver behind the wheel, check out my good friend Dan Brown's channel "Track Focused" - among his videos, there is a REALLY bad ass vid of Driver Jon driving the Focus on the GP course here & basically laps the entire field, lol! Thanx for watching!
Running P-Zero's on all 4 corners (275/40R20's front & 295/40R20s rear). Something about the roads here in Europe that the Pirellis work well. Back stateside, they don't grip at all. Differences in road construction & much more fluids on the roads in the US. Thanx for watching!
@@burgerbandit3646 if there’s two guys in the front seat and one guy in the back seat, that equals 3. 2, 300lb guys and one 200lb guy. That’s over 5,000lbs
@@TheKGStarbuck 300 pound guys? What are they, NFL linebackers? And im pretty sure theres nobody in the backseat and its just a fixed camera. That car feels heavy with just one person in it because it is.
@@davidmorgan8612 I don't think that's 100% accurate considering the newer models have a feature called "SRT Power Chiller" which uses the factory a/c to cool the intake as your're driving. I't wouldn't make sense for Chrysler to release a "GT" car with a holdback on the creature comforts. JS
What difference ?? Its still a recycled old Benz that dodge made a pathetic attempt at getting back into muscle cars with. Quick flash in the pan, be a distant joke before you know it.
for an car that's about !!! if not 2 thousand pounds heavier that the current record holders on that TRACK !!!!! THE KID IS AN ANIMAL !!!! ROCK ON BRO.... YA JUST GIVING NEW MEANING TO THE CHARGER FANS !!!! GREAT FUCKIN VIDEO ......... WERD !!!!!
I thought bra knew how to drive the way he was talking in the other video I’ve seen with him telling the big dude the corners, braking, gazing and other maneuvers.
For the ones that actually believe a Focus RS will outrun a Hellcat, you're sadly mistaken. This has to be his first time on the track with the Hellcat. Any regular person can see that. He's asking questions about the car as he drive.
You are correct to a point. On a track like this, driver for driver, a Focus RS WILL keep up with a Hellcat on all but the longest of straights. Driver Jon is an experienced race driver & instructor but this was his first time behind the wheel of the Hellcat & he had 2 passengers - so he was simply getting a feel for what the car can do & trying out a progression of different chassis, suspension & transmission setups (next lap was the AMG lap, then the Mustang lap - which he got progressively more aggressive). The driver of the Focus RS in this video appears to be someone who is not experienced with either driving or their car because we know the RS will do MUCH better. Driver Jon has driven an RS here & on the GP track & fully knows the capabilities of that car. You can watch him lap the entire field on the GP course with one on my friend Dan Brown's channel "Track Focused" - great video! Lastly, the RS is not only a great track car for the money, it will also keep up with a Hellcat in a drag race up to a 1/8th mile - we've done that too, lol! Thanx for watching!
Hilarious the brick with more than twice the horsepower couldn't pass him for like 5 miles. I got to get me a pair of those sod busting gloves...I mean they just look fast don't they!!!
Mista Butterworth You can tell people who know Racing. There were probably 5 times he had a pass. Just like the video said PLAYING WITH A FORD RS. IT WAS OBVIOUS AND THE HELLCAT DID PRETTY GOOD AROUND THE TRACK
You had better watch the other videos where the guy does some more runs, this my friend was nothing more than a slow roll around the track practice run.
2:22 Yes, you can put the car to only use the paddles and never change gears by itself, in the lever shift you go to drive then push to the left to put it in manual and that’s it.
Yes. You are correct. I told him "no" because this was his first time behind the wheel & didn't want to have him thinking about too much. Bump Shifting wasn't really an option for him anyway. This was the first lap for him & the car was in basic "cruise" mode. Later laps we changed the setup of the suspension & transmission. Last lap (Mustang GT lap) he was in full "TRACK" mode & using the paddles - which was his favorite setup. Thanx for watching!
car is pretty much stock. the OEM thermostat literally snapped in half & I had that replaced (a few weeks before this lap) under warranty (180 degree thermo is on my grocery list), but the OEM one handles the Ring just fine. I added a carbon fiber rear diffuser & rear spoiler & was worried about "Carousel" because it is extremely bumpy & wasn't sure if it would scrape - it didn't thankfully. Still running PZeros (like the Y rating since I usually hit 170+mph on the autobahn) but put 295's on the rear & lastly, after 12k miles I needed to swap out the front pads & went w/Power Stop Z26s.
NO! I'm telling you get the 180 thermostat! I'm not joking when I say it feels like it adds 20whp! Next get 305's for the rear and a one piece drive shaft!
those are already on my grocery list! along with upper pulley, injectors, tune, brake lines, sway bar end links, strut brace, rear diff brace.........on & on & on.....lol!
He was taking it pretty easy..first time for him in this car. He drives another Hellcat on another video and it's night and day between those two performances.
She could probably get a shopping trolley to pull a 15 min lap, lol! Give me 30,000+ laps on the Ring & I bet you I could do a 10:08 in a Ford Transit too!....lol....thx for watching....
2:20 "Is there anyway i can make it not shift unless I use the paddles?" Uh yeah, get a manual. lol J/K Who cares it's got 700+ hp But that 4 Cyl Focus RS is quite impressive, quite impressive...
haha! yeah, caught some flack for that comment when I first posted this vid - this was Driver Jon's first time behind the wheel, so he was just starting to get a feel for the car & we had it set to a basic setup (his later laps, AMG Merc & Mustang GT, we bumped it up a few notches & tried more hard core chassis setups). So when he asked, mid lap, I didn't want to try to explain anything to him or want to change anything while he was driving. Also, yeah, the RS is a GREAT little track car for the money. The driver of THIS one? not so much. If you want to see what it can do w/a good driver behind the wheel, go check out my buddy Dan Brown's channel "Track Focused" & watch Driver Jon literally LAP the field on the GP track here...it's AWESOME! Thanx for watching!
where was when you played with the RS?? AWD 350hp all built into a little bento box meant for this kind of driving?? Lol Hell Cat, like all dodge performance can only go fast and straight (useless) There is a reason why Ken Block drives a RS and Fiesta ST on the rally. Playing with the RS lololol this ain't the quarter mile.
Quite a nice run round the track and balanced driving from the hellcat guy but you gotta admit he didn’t go close to pushing that thing to the limit neither punishing it exiting a turn nor at braking points. A track isn’t the hellcat’s playing field but could have definitely smoked that RS. P.S this is from someone who owns a SRT and have owned similar class to the focus and has some nice achievements on track ;). Was nice to watch though.
This was his first time on the track behind the wheel of the Hellcat (he drove the car to the track, which was his first time driving it, period). No, he was not pushing the car even close to the limit - we had 3 guys in the car & he was just getting a feel for what it would hold & how it would perform + we were trying out different suspension/transmission settings. His second lap in the car (the AMG/Porsche lap) was better & faster; his 3rd lap (the Mustang lap) was probably the hardest he drove it (& the fastest). thx for watching!
Looks like the Mégane RS played with you both....
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Agreed 100% Love that little Ford .
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Put half the difference in cost between a Hellcat and the RS into basic mods and it’ll serve you all three meals with snacks for good measure and still have fuel left. All that with have the cylinders. PS, nice beekeeper gloves.
Was just going to say that. I’m 6min in and the Ford is playing you!!😂
boats are great for the open sea
I guess you think a...
Veyron
Aventador LP 700-4
M5
E 63 AMG
RS7/S6
Panamera Turbo S
are ALL Boats too and shouldn't be allowed on a track? They are ALL FAT/Heavy cars.
@@JerseyMikeP well the hellcat is not lol
robert allskins lol you act like it’s not any better than your god damn lawn mower
JerseyMikeP well let’s see. The Bugatti veyron had a Nurburgring time of 7:40.... over 1,000hp and it’s only 3 seconds faster than a Honda Civic type r? K..... (not to mention the Bugatti probably gained like 10 seconds on the long straight) the aventador is sub 4 thousand pounds that ain’t no boat, the m5? 7:38 so only 5 seconds faster than a type r civic with double the power..... E63 AMG? Dude... Renaults and clios are faster.... a Volvo S60 went faster... the Audi RS7 idk enough about it to really know how good or bad it is. The Panamera Turbo S is maybe the most impressive being over 5k lbs but it has as much hp as the aventador but tied the M5 in time.... so idk man you tell me.
Bladez Andrew When did the Bugatti ever run the ring? That car is all top speed.
I find nothing more fun than watching two totally different classes of cars compete against each other. A nimble, zippy 4wd hothatch vs. a muscle car american rwd sedan. Yeah baby. Reminds me a bit also of Best motoring, those crazy mofos had some of the best races of street cars.
I agree. And it shows the huge differences in the strengths of each of those cars. While the Hellcat
is great on straiths everything else is pulling away in the curves.
to be fair muscle cars aren't particularly good at anything. if you want straight line speed theres much better and cheaper options
@@HA-sv7kp The reality is that you are correct but having grown up in the muscle car era I still get a tingle every time I see one.
The car is so hot, he's wearing oven gloves!
mark p when driving hard, your hands get very sweaty which makes the steering wheel slippery. He has gloves to have grip when his hands get sweaty.
Those are spiderman gloves, maybe. That focus is playing with the hellcat maybe.
Thats not funny
Ha.
Looks more like the Focus played with the Hellcat.
ScubaSteve k but I’d still take that hellcat over the focus
Siye Boss cause a girly ford focus screams big dick right 😂
I just like big cars and I’ve always liked muscle cars,to be honest I’d rather an old 68 challenger than the hellcat
@@guerrerok90 ahahahaa
@@StuartOliver83 well, you would be the only one with a '68 Challenger. There is no such thing. So it's nice to want. 🤐 I'll take the Hellcat since it exists.
That RS was hauling ass. Nice driving.
The focus really shocked the hell out of me I mean I haven't a clue as to how much added hp he had but it was hauling some ass
Sly
It’s an RS don’t underestimate those
Sly its power to weight ratio. The guy driving the focus was a very poor driver, could’ve done miles better
buddy's got one of those he was whipping it thru chicago traffic on the highways shit was fucking ridiculous and we probably should have died
Despite front drive megane disappearing into distance...
The driver asked if he could make sure it would only shift when he wanted it to. Slide the shifter to the left in Manual mode. Then use the paddles. It will only shift when you command then.
Looked like a lot of fun.
yeah yeah, lol...been getting beaten up for that comment! We had talked about the setup of the car prior to that lap. It was decided that we would leave it in "auto" for the first lap. Well, shortly into the lap, he didn't like the shift points & asked what the options were. I told him paddles, because he knew about those already, but I didn't tell him about the "bump shift" option on the stick. His 2nd lap the tranny was in "TRACK" mode, which was better, but his 3rd lap he used the paddles & liked it the best.... & yeah, it was a blast - thanks for watching!
Lol
Nice run, looks like it handles better than I expected. Dodge did a good job controlling the weight and your driver did a good job taking it through the turns. Must have been a lot of fun.
This looks like the time of your lives. Not gonna lie, super envious. Thanks for sharing.
More Appropriate Title: "Cocky Americans in a 700+hp Boat still think power is everything".
The focus RS is a American car. The challenger is a Fiat. Think about that.
@@60viking That Focus is definitely not an American car. It's 100% European with an American badge. Do a bit of research.
@@shona5512 explain
@@tofudriver4346 Which part?
@@shona5512 that ford is European
RS is insanely fast. 350hp on a hatch.
Your insane if you think a stock 350 horse Focus RS will keep up with a 700+ horse hellcat on a straightaway. That sure as hell isnt a stock focus
Bobbin Apple
Keep in mind it’s power to weight ratio is way better than the hellcat so I wouldn’t be surprised
Hp doesn’t mean everything
@@Perifroog 700 vs 350 is double horsepower. The faster your moving the less the weight to power ratio becomes. From a stop yes HP to weight is extremely important. These guys are already going 100 mph so double the horse of another vehicle is important
@@pumpkin9916 this isnt a straightaway either bro and when it was straight the focus was already too far man no chance what so ever
hellcat 300% more HP can almost hang with focus but not in the turns
Focus has less weight, all wheel drive, torque vectoring, less inertia greater power to weight ratio
Yes it does, RS is an amazing car, totally didn't see that coming. Nice video. BMW wagon at the beginning was GONE.
Can almost hang? It was night and day on the straights..... the focus is so bloody slow on the move
Lol lets see the focus hit 204 mph stock
And don't forget the price difference!Power to weight is all relative, I mean a gocart has a bigger power to weight ratio than the Hellcat so why cant it beat it?Dumb argument.
I like how my man is just casually driving around the Nurburgring wearing One Punch Man gloves...
I think the Ford Focus RS was playing with you out there.
and the driver was not that good
yvanthe terrible that’s the instructor
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Lmao the Focus driver was pretty bad. A RS should smoke a Hellcat charger on the ring with a good driver. Hellcat had Multiple opportunity to pass but RS didn’t let them even at one point signalled to stop them. They then waited until the VERY END to pass him, showing true horse power. Not to mention they were on his tail pretty much the entire track. A so called “boat” everyone loves to hate, apparently can keep up with that RS 🤭🤣
Let rephrase the title, shall I: "cocky +700 HP Hellcat couldn't keep up with 350 HP grocery picker". Edit: grocery getter lol
@Helicopter Dad agreed.
Albert Ochoa yup a rally inspired turbocharged AWD car is a grocery getter.
Got his azz kicked
"Grocery picker"
That maybe the case with this clearly modified ‘grocery’ getter lol. First and foremost, the charger HC is designed for the 1/4 mile. So, to pull this pig onto the ring and keep up with then smack down the ‘grocery’ getter is awesome well deserved lol.
At 9:55 he says Bye Bye... what a dumb comment! Ford wasn't racing anymore! Couldn't catch that Ford the entire time!
Midwest Italia the focus should have done better.. it’s nothing to brag about considering a family car with 3 adults was on his ass.
The fact that a car that nobody claims to be a track car with 2 or 3 adults in it kept up with a Focus RS on the twisties is pretty impressive. On the open road the Focus would be a dot in the rear view mirror.
The hellcat is full of people + weighs without people 1000 lbs more than the focus so idk why are u shit talking it.
The focus has 350 hp which isn't all that much.
You mean how the Focus was blocking almost all of the time so he couldn't pass?
No way this is MPH, its gotta be KPH, or we got a problem
Said the same shit. I was like dayuuum! Lol
It's not in America, so obviously, kph.
@@emmanuelcavalcante3451 its an american car with two gentlemen speaking american, why do you think just because its in europe the speedo would be in kph? Lol
@@robertjusic9097 European roads, European rules. Lol.
@@robertjusic9097 speaking american??? Lol. Well, I cant imagine this thing cornering at 160kmh/100mph, it had to be 100kmh. Although it doesnt accelerate as much as I thought it was going to, at some straights I thought they where mph, but definitely kmh.
1:09 I feel like the people in the silver car that passed you about shit themselves when you opened up lol
It's a Ford Focus... who cares. Your car handles like a school bus on a snowy day.
says the man who has never driven nor could ever afford one.
@@caniwitech I have an AMG guy.
@@CJ3000 The cla45 in your videos? forgive me i'm so impressed. How ever did you get a loan for 30k?
@@caniwitech You sound like your butt hurt. I can kiss it if you want. My car ended up costing $71 grr fyi.
It outruns helicopters.
Homeboy isn't at the limit of that focus RS
Everyone is hating on the hellcat for not keeping up even tho the car was made to go in a straight line
Yes, that is what everyone is saying, get over it.
The car did amazing to be a 4 door family vehicle and way heavier it's funny that it kept up so well
Unique Ares what’s so fun about going in a straight line.
this one was made to handle on the road not only the straight line its not the 60s and 70s model dont forget fiat is the owner
Just like every American car eh? Pose and more power
You guys realize he’s driving a family, 4 door MUSCLE CAR on a track with 707 hp to the rear wheels
That's the point. This car has zero utility. A big block engine with no way to put that power down on the road. Effectively meaning its just inefficient engineering.
If you're going to have crazy power, develop the car in a way that you can put the power down on the road and set a real laptime. Otherwise it's a waste of time getting dubbed by a Ford Focus.
@@farzana6676 inefficient engineering eh? Find me a 4 door family sedan that will beat a hellcat charger in a straight line drag race OR on the track. Also, the hellcats the first car to hit 200+ MPH that can be bought stock right from a store
Wait, did i forget to mention its a 4 door family car with 4,500 pounds of safety? Yea, these engineers suck!
@@pumpkin9916 4 door family sedan that will beat a charger eh? Don't worry Tesla is coming
@@nicholaspatino2427 Im a big tesla fan, cant wait to see the things they make in the future. Electric cars in the decades to come will slaughter everything. Just saying chargers arent "poorly" engineered :)
Bobbin Apple BMW M5, Audi RS7
Btw, the speed is in KM/h. No focus can go to 189 mph.
haha....don't tell my buddy Daniel Brown (check out his channel) that! His Focus RS is one quick little car. We just got back from German Race Wars (I'll have videos of that posted soon) & he was side-by-side with a Challenger HC up to the 1/8th mile marker! thx for watching!
That's true, I was only able to get mine up to 168.3 MPH at Mojave in 2016. That's an official timed run.
Well that one did .lol
707hp on the the ring must be a wild ride! Supercharger wine sounds great 👍🏽
That little silver z3 though lol.
5pointoh that dude was gone
Nice that you let the instructor put his money where his mouth was. I thoroughly enjoyed this video and it was nice to see a capable driver with knowledge of the track do his thing. You guys are living my dream, don't stop.
Yes, the hellcat is heavy, with inadequate brakes, and can be lapped by a ton of sports cars. But it Is STILL a blast to drive on track day.
He held his balls 😳🙏🏽 for this run the whole track cause that car is beast
Focus plays with u buddy!
Focus got fucked, but that was the predicted outcome.
Mista Butterworth te focus laid off the gas ,move to the side then you pass him,the after a minute the race was over,the dodge is way faster then that focus, but I guess he can cornered faster
Mista Butterworth look at you defending a 700 hp car vs a 300 lol
Ryan No Thanks - Yes, look at me defending a car over 1,000 pounds heavier, with two grown men in it... Which would have blown a Focus RS away on that straight even if it hadn’t let off to save face, lol.
Mista Butterworth nice so how many were in the focus? Could've been more than 1 but let's not point that out. 1000 pounds and 3 dudes outweighs 400 hp difference? Lol k bud. Hey good, you learned something, driving is rarely in a straight line. Must be nice driving all these places where you guys go in a straight line all the time. Not even to mention the RS is running with a blown head gasket right cause remember that engines a POS like all you are quick to point out. You guys are a bunch of bench racing idiots. Respect decent cars no matter who makes them or what the badge says. Keep a simple mind and see where that gets you in life.
That Focus moved pretty damn well.
They're a great track car but the guy driving this one wasn't a very good driver. There were several places he should have let us pass, but he didn't. We have a friend here w/a Focus RS. Driver Jon has actually driven that car here on the Nordschleife & the GP course. Had Driver Jon been driving that RS, we would have never seen him again, lol! If you like Focus RS's, check out my buddy Dan Brown's channel - "TRACK FOCUSED". Thanx for watching!
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 The Megane RS got by easily enough fella.
@@ru55ells the Megane is THE FASTEST hatchback out here, so that shouldn't be any surprise. Take the best "track focused" hatchback with a good driver & yeah, he should "get by easily enough" against a 4600lb muscle sedan driven by an extremely experienced driver, driving the car for the very first time WITH 2 passengers.........
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 Thanks for the reply. For the record I happen to like American muscle cars a lot.
So if I've got this right if they are both stock and unhindered the Megane beats the Focus by about 20 seconds, the Hellcat by 10 seconds and the track is like 20km long? so like it gains half a second on you per Km, although it probably doesn't pan out that equally. There's a good probability that neither are stock, so who knows how it really stands. Since you're already going at speed and that's your main advantage. I'm not sure your weight has that much effect with all that power.
I own a facelift MK2 Focus ST and obvs would much rather I had your car, but I think your use of the word 'plays' implies you think you could easily beat it upon your demand, but it didn't look that way. if you factored in the cost difference and your assessment of the other drivers ability.... I'm wondering if maybe a more respectful title would have been more appropriate?
@@ru55ells The '19 Megane put up a time of 7:55 here. The '16 Focus RS did a time of 8:06 (faster than a Mustang GT, lol!). ALLEGEDLY, a '15 Challenger Hellcat did a 7:51 here but I can find ZERO proof of it & while that time MIGHT be possible, I still hold it as nothing more than "MOPAR Urban Legend". IF Driver Jon was driving all 3 of those cars, all stock & all with a good set of tires on it, I would guess that the Megane would win & the Focus RS & Hellcat would both be a close second. The Ring is 20.7 km long, with 79 curves (167 or so turns) & 1500' of elevation change (500m or so). Many of the turns are both decreasing radius turns AND negative camber - so chassis setup is key. Lighter weight cars, regardless of horsepower disadvantages, will excel. 700+ horsepower can do a lot to over come inertia, but not physics, lol! As far as the title goes, when I say "play" I don't mean like a "cat w/a mouse" & it's nothing disparaging towards the Focus. It's meant that we were LITERALLY "playing around with" the Focus. This was Driver Jon's very first time behind the wheel of this car, WITH 2 passengers (one of whom OWNED the car, lol). He is WAY to experienced a driver to simply throw the Hellcat around a track like this without learning its setup & what it will handle - thus he was just getting a feel for the car. Also, he has DRIVEN a Focus RS here on the Ring, so he knows EXACTLY what that car can do - which is why we know the driver of THIS RS is not driving it to its full potential. I have a TON of respect for the RS - it punches WAY above it's weight class. It will stay side by side w/a Hellcat all the way up to 1/8th mile in a drag race. If you REALLY want to see what a RS can do, go check out my buddy Dan Brown's channel "Track FOCUSED" & watch him pull some laps here OR, better yet, watch Driver Jon pretty much lap the entire FIELD on the GP track, lol! It was EPIC! Thanx for watching!
Commentary from driver was funny. Great video
So The RS is a manual, less than half the power, and 25k$ less, hellcat trying so hard to hang it with on the track, sounds like a bargain.
Couple points - this was his first serious lap in the car so he was not pushing the limits of the car by any stretch. There were a couple spots he could have overtaken the RS sooner. Driver for driver, the RS is capable of putting up just as fast a lap time as the HC, simply because its BUILT to do this. Jon has driven both on the Ring. So yes, for the money, if you want a track car, the Focus RS is a great car for the money (on the autobahn or drag strip I'd take the HC anytime!!). Thx for watching!
Eveyones dream car baby blue easter egg with yellow wheels!
Bavarian MOPAR Works but he was familiar with the turns and knew right where he was on the track? Odd
Guys, don’t sleep on that Focus. It’s a formidable car. The Focus has been hot for quite some time, in Europe. In the states were just getting these car in the new world car configuration. Fords and Opels were hot for years around the world. Ford gave us crap cars in the US. The Focus. The Granada. Monster cars in performance and reliability. Both completely different cars than their US counterparts. Much like GM and the Holden cars in Australia. That STI is a beast! Tuned, it’s an M3 contender at a basement price.
8:25 mark: Focus looked like me playing Gran Turismo going around that corner...lol
The driver was talking that big game James worthy on the other video ... only to disappoint me now that he’s behind the wheel
Wondering if thats the same guy. I agree with u, expected more from the "expert"...
dam, both dope cars for different purposes. I would drive the hellcat on the streets and the rs on the track
You should check out my buddy Dan Brown's channel "Track Focused". There is a great video of Driver Jon driving Dan's Focus RS on the GP course here - one Porsche 911 got away from him, but he literally lapped the rest of the field. EPIC run for him. Thanx for watching!
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 Thank you bro, imma check it out!
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 Found the video, wow what a driver!
Hellcat gets bummed by a ford focus without even trying
@@JayOgle Ford Focus RS 350 HP vs a Hellcat 808 HP. To be honest, this video shows the great strengths of american muscle cars on straits and exposes it's weakness when is gets curvy.
J with more than twice as much hp and twice the price
J yeah and double the Power, so the power to weight is about equal
Looks like great fun!! I'm sure once you get use to the limits of the car you will be faster. Have to learn the car first and see how far you can safely push the hellcat. Awesome 4door!!!!
yeah....you could tell by his later 2 laps how much more comfortable he was getting in the car. Really hope he can come back in the spring & turn some more laps in it once it has better tires & brakes. thx for watching!
Love the Hellcat sound!
The driver must have come from a barbecue!
I feel this guy was working to keep with and the focus driver was possibly not as skilled as but no doubt this cat can drive.....
This was the first time behind the wheel of the car for Driver Jon (+ 2 passengers in it as well), so he was just starting to get a feel for what it would handle, thus why he was just "playing around". Focus RS is a great track car, but the driver of the blue one is not on the same level as Jon. Thanx for watching!
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 Id like to see Jon in the focus.... would be a beast .... thanks for the cool video
@@1badmach103 Go check out my friend's channel "Track Focused" - he has several Nurburgring laps as well as Driver Jon running his Focus RS on the GP course here. Some great vids!
@2:26 he asked if he could have it not shift unless he hit the paddles, you said no but yes you can... just slide the shift lever over to manual mode & it will not shit unless you hit the paddles or shift with the lever ...oh BTW I LOVE THESE VIDs, intense! like im there lol
itll let you hit red line, it wont shit just cut fuel
Yeah.... I got beat up for that when i first posted this one, lol. Yes, you can bump shift, but prior to the lap I only talked to him about the paddles & he didn't want to use it for the first lap. When he asked, I didn't think about it but I also didn't want to try to explain something while he was driving so I didn't bring it up afterwards. His 3rd lap (the Mustang lap) he used the paddles & liked that in TRACK mode the best. Thanx for watching!
That hellcat cant take those curves as well as the focus can. The driver is playing catch up. And using every hp to do it.
@@JayOgle in other words. Big meaty muscle car that would have, could have, should have won. But today didn't.
@@itsjustnopinionok it's a drag car.
@@JayOgle i dont have anything aganst the Hellcat. I want one. But it is waht it is. That focus could have 3 people in it also. It also has 300+ hp less. But it did keep ahead of the hellcat. And thats a fact.
0:25 “go get the beemer” M2 disappears into the distance. 😂
"get the beamer, get the beamer" was a joke from our prior conversation @ Devil's Diner while we were waiting for the track to reopen.....lighten up Francis..... if you want more BMW action watch the Mustang GT lap - had a nice, heavily modded M2 running hard....
Bavarian MOPAR Works tbh, it’s good to see other cars apart from the usual euro crowd which is why I was interested in the vid. I admit I fully expected the M2 to be reeled in eventually though.....
@@and79 Couple points to remember: 1) BMW's (especially that orange tricked out bitch in the "Mustang GT" lap!) are just SO good though the curves - their braking points are so much shorter than most other cars. It's hard to keep up. Thus the jokes about "get them" & 2) Driver Jon is a HELL of a driver, but this was his VERY first time behind the wheel of the Hellcat, we had 2 other people in the car, it wasn't HIS car (was mine!) & we had just started playing around with the different setups. He was not pushing the car anywhere NEAR its limits on this lap - he was being cautious & safe/smart. You can see him get a feel for what she would hold the more he drove it. If you want to watch more playtime w/BMWs, check out that "Mustang GT" video on my channel. thanx for watching!
That yellow Megane got some Serious HP
I think half less than the Hellcat
Whats megane
@@uncleartax The yellow one in this video. Its a french car, just broke the Type R FWD record on the N-ring by 3 seconds and the Type R is faster around the track than both the RS and the Charger.
brandnewty wasn’t that Megane specifically, you know that right?
@@txylor7288 Yes
lmao that RS walked you
It's the opposite. The Ford play with the Dodge.
Most people don't realize that there wouldn't be a FORD, without DODGE. The Dodge Brothers actually built the Model T's for Ford and they were just a coach company and just mounted the bodys on the chassis. The one Dodge brother was actually VP of Ford for a while....Until FORD got Greedy.
@@JerseyMikeP Since you changed the subject. There would no longer be a dodge unless there was a federal bailout
Fred C lol wtf is this guy even on about
@@JerseyMikeP cool story bro
@@fredc8346 LOL, GM and FORD also took money so that is a pointless statement.
2:22
The absolute saddest moment in driving history.
why is that
He's driving one hell of a car and asks if he has total control over the shifting and is given a dead "no".
That was the saddest attempt at a joke in the history of you tube.
lmao. i thought it was funny.. mostly because the hellcat transmission is so primitive that you can't shift solely on the paddle shifters?? the other guy just said NO. lmao.
most cars even cheap Kia's allow you to fully shift with paddles only..
@@dubgli An 8 speed auto with paddle shifters and is 700hp capable is primitive to you? You must have some really nice stuff. And just about any auto with paddles will go ahead and shift for you if you redline or stop shifting. The pcm is programmed to protect the engine. But this is much to primitive for a connoisseur such as yourself, good thing you have your Kia to stick to.
200 mph car that can sit in stop and go traffic and go to the track all for under a hundred k .
Mopar is outstanding. Not because I'm retired from engine development there but because it's a lot of car .
I got the chance to drive a trackhawk, it was a blast!
I think that focus pretty much ate you up dude. He was playing with you .
Focus took out big v8 hellcat. Lol you could not get around him
this isn't a race track where its ok to bump or rub cars out of your way when they are faster. We let him go by thinking he was going to be faster... he wasn't, but then he wouldn't return the favor so he kept blocking..... Focus RS is a great car, but the driver of this one wasn't a good driver....
Love your outings with this beast!
I wish you could have kept the windows up as that wind noise kind of messes up the audio and makes it hard to hear.
Driver Jon strikes again.
We need to see more of this kind of cars on Nurnburgring!
got a couple of Camaro's (1LE & a ZL1) that we're hoping to get out there in the spring - will see how they do. Thx for watching!
Cool! Cant wait to see them being hammered around the track :)
Dat focus though vroom hatchback nation. I drive a accent only 91 horsies but still hatchback 🚗
Lol so slow
That must have been a blast, I would like to do the same thing in my Ford Fusion SE just to see how it handles on a real track in stock form.
it was...& I highly recommend to ANY "petrol head" to ride or drive the "Ring - it's a bucket list item. thx for watching!
more like a RS focus was showing you a clean pair of heels :-)
Ring Taxi isnt timed --but it does low 8minutes
I guess your ready for the zl1 next? Would suck the paint and fenders off that pos!
Put 2-3 guys in the Focus like this Charger has and it wouldn’t keep up. The Focus was giving all it could give and it still wasn’t enough.
frank bevan that focus shouldn't even be on the road with that crap engine they have,let alone a high speed road, what joke ford is
frank bevan - And apparently it takes more than 300 horses for a Focus to lose a Hellcat bud - even with traffic. The Charger would have finished him on the Döttinger Höhe straight regardless.
Great point you make when you say the challenger is a hand full when out of the groove. This car has to be on the high end of the fun meter on any track even though it's not a great handler.
Wow a 40K car beat an 80K car around the Nur.
The Ford felt bad had to let him by. Did u notice the dodge pulled off the track after he passed.... Chicken?????
Dennis Parker that's what you do and the focus did too
You might be surprised but thats starting to become a common thing...
The hellcat is 65k dude
Not a stock focus rs idiot lol a 350 horse car isnt keeping up with a 700 horse car on the straightaways
Pretty clear the RS let off after the last turn, but that was really fun to watch.
think he let off cuz he knew there was no way he would have stayed ahead anyway, but I get what you're saying, lol. I wish he wouldn't have blocked us earlier - would have been fun to try to stay in front the rest of the way. Thanks for watching!
I think he would have blown the doors off the Focus sooner, or at least hopscotched him a few times if not for the traffic.
Oof, that RS driver is probably dumbfounded as to what just happened. Excellent job, but on another note that BMW was freakin nice.
cool vid. people are brutle on the comments damn. good job bro i know i have never seen a vid of a hellcat charger on the green hell
yeah.... problem with anonymous social media is you tend to get a lot of jealous "keyboard warriors" who have no experience driving a car fast, ,much less on a track & who think because they own Forza or Need for Speed that they are knowledgable...... videos were posted for people to enjoy it simply for what they are, instead folks want to read into the titles & get butt hurt, lol! Thanx for watching!
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 i hear you. people just mad at the world.
Sad when a 350hp focus leaves a hellcat in it's dust.........
Well the charger isn't a track car necessarily. its a 4 door muscle car type sedan. its not the best out of corners, but it held up pretty well.
Focus RS leaves plenty of cars in the dust
Not hard to understand power isnt everything
Games, Simulatoren and More yes you fucking goofy rs literally means rally sport 😂
Was this run with the factory 275 wide tires? Amazing...
P Zero Summer's on the car - 275's up front, 295's rear. Tires at the time of THIS lap were about half way through their life span (for me, I get around 6-8000 miles before they get slick.....had around 3k on them here with some 1/4 mile pulls as well). Previously, coming out of TH-cam corner, she stepped out on me with 275's on the rear. As you may have heard me state in the video, they did much better w/the 295's in that same area. This was Driver Jon's 1st time behind the wheel of the car....by his 3rd lap (the Mustang GT lap), he had the setup how he liked it & started pushing the car a little more...but by then the tires were truly gone. Everyone stateside talks bad about the Pirellis, & I know there are better tires, but for the money they do pretty damn well all around (drag racing, autocross as well as 200+mph on the autobahn). Thanx for watching!
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 this is an inspiring and fun video to watch. I own a '18 392 Charger and its fun for me. I currently run a 275/315 Atturo setup with Eibach Pros, and a front strut bar, and she's still large around corners. I could only imagine running a Hellcat on a track, let alone the most sophisticated track in the world. Are you guys military or prior? How did the track become available for use like that. I know you can pay for track laps and such but usually people stationed overseas get to enjoy it more often than not. I'm stationed stateside but dream of running both Autobahn and Nurburgring some day. Sweet content on the channel. I assume this is the passengers channel? Thanks for the detailed reply.
@@freedom_gaming23 yeah, sounds like you got a nice ride! Mine is still pretty much stock other than a carbon fiber rear spoiler & diffuser, Powerstop Z26 pads up front & the 295's on the rear. Getting stationed here & being able to afford & get a Hellcat shipped here was a "once in a lifetime" opportunity for me the I couldn't pass up. If you have get a chance to come here, DO IT! Germany is great - & the autobahn is better, lol! The Nurburgring has touristenfarhten days (open track days). You can buy laps for around €29 for 1 lap on the Nordschleife OR a 15 min session on the GP track. I'm hoping to do some more laps as well as going back to German Race Wars in May. Also looking to attend a couple of the rolling 1/2 mile races too..... surprisingly good car scene over here.
@@bavarianmoparworks8668 that's sweet. If you dont mind me asking, what branch you serve in? I have some cousins in the Army out there. Myself, I'm Navy...but hope that one day I can get stationed out there. Worse case scenario may just buy a ticket and take vacation out there
@@freedom_gaming23 Air Force. Try to get to Sigonella or Naples....once you IN Europe, it's very cheap & easy to get around...
great vid but keep in mind based on MSRP nearly 2 times more expensive 2 times more HP, much more tq, comes with only automatic etc........even you overrun him it should not be a surprise buddy....
Don't sell the RS too short. We know EXACTLY what it can do & it is a very capable hatchback. Horsepower, torque, cost - they mean absolutely nothing here on a road course. It's all about your car's setup. I drive the Hellcat here because its fun as hell, but the RS is a MUCH better track car. Driver for driver, the RS will beat a Hellcat on a track every time. This "race" was only close because the RS driver here was inexperienced while Driver Jon was taking it easy because this was his first time driving the HC. If you want to see what a Focus RS can do here with a good driver behind the wheel, check out my good friend Dan Brown's channel "Track Focused" - among his videos, there is a REALLY bad ass vid of Driver Jon driving the Focus on the GP course here & basically laps the entire field, lol! Thanx for watching!
This is sick... You' re insane.... I want to sit there right.
That Focus RS raped the charger in the turns. Charger driver sounded butthurt.
I mean... makes sense that the Focus would have it in the corners... Thank you captain obvious
Quick question: What tires and size are you using in this video?
Running P-Zero's on all 4 corners (275/40R20's front & 295/40R20s rear). Something about the roads here in Europe that the Pirellis work well. Back stateside, they don't grip at all. Differences in road construction & much more fluids on the roads in the US. Thanx for watching!
3 men in one car "it feels heavy"
two* and it is heavy, thing weighs 4300 pounds and doesn't exactly do a good job of hiding it.
@@burgerbandit3646 if there’s two guys in the front seat and one guy in the back seat, that equals 3. 2, 300lb guys and one 200lb guy. That’s over 5,000lbs
@@TheKGStarbuck 300 pound guys? What are they, NFL linebackers? And im pretty sure theres nobody in the backseat and its just a fixed camera. That car feels heavy with just one person in it because it is.
@@burgerbandit3646 they’re fat. Just like you’re blind.
@@TheKGStarbuck Instead of insulting me you could just post a time stamp of the "3rd fat guy." Hellcats are just fat cars, regurdless of whos in it.
11:40 did the red car just skipped the line or was he going somewhere else?
And this one goes to the Ford Focus!
Which car was the yellow one at the beginning?
A Renault Megane - really good track car in the same line as the Focus RS or Civic Type R.
I would have the a/c on if I had 700 horsepower.
js
dahippness for sure! It takes less than 1% off all that power
The a/c automatically cuts off in high rpms
So it would not have stayed on long enough.
@@davidmorgan8612 I don't think that's 100% accurate considering the newer models have a feature called "SRT Power Chiller" which uses the factory a/c to cool the intake as your're driving. I't wouldn't make sense for Chrysler to release a "GT" car with a holdback on the creature comforts. JS
Video should be renamed in "BMW Z4, Renault Megane and Ford Focus RS playing with Hellkitty" :-)
Fuck yeah, the Hellcat is a big boat with lot HP
And you have three dudes in the car wow. You need a dash cam and race by your self just to see the difference.
once we actually get serious about lap times, it will be a solo run....right now its all about having fun.... thx for watching!
What difference ??
Its still a recycled old Benz that dodge made a pathetic attempt at getting back into muscle cars with.
Quick flash in the pan, be a distant joke before you know it.
For a full-size family car with all the luxurious comfort and able to stick with the nimble RS in the 'ring and win at the end, is aMaZinG!
The Hellcat Can Turn?
for an car that's about !!! if not 2 thousand pounds heavier that the current record holders on that TRACK !!!!! THE KID IS AN ANIMAL !!!! ROCK ON BRO.... YA JUST GIVING NEW MEANING TO THE CHARGER FANS !!!! GREAT FUCKIN VIDEO ......... WERD !!!!!
I thought bra knew how to drive the way he was talking in the other video I’ve seen with him telling the big dude the corners, braking, gazing and other maneuvers.
I know, I replied on the other video if there was a video of him driving and here I found it. I thought he was gonna kill it
For the ones that actually believe a Focus RS will outrun a Hellcat, you're sadly mistaken. This has to be his first time on the track with the Hellcat. Any regular person can see that. He's asking questions about the car as he drive.
You are correct to a point. On a track like this, driver for driver, a Focus RS WILL keep up with a Hellcat on all but the longest of straights. Driver Jon is an experienced race driver & instructor but this was his first time behind the wheel of the Hellcat & he had 2 passengers - so he was simply getting a feel for what the car can do & trying out a progression of different chassis, suspension & transmission setups (next lap was the AMG lap, then the Mustang lap - which he got progressively more aggressive). The driver of the Focus RS in this video appears to be someone who is not experienced with either driving or their car because we know the RS will do MUCH better. Driver Jon has driven an RS here & on the GP track & fully knows the capabilities of that car. You can watch him lap the entire field on the GP course with one on my friend Dan Brown's channel "Track Focused" - great video! Lastly, the RS is not only a great track car for the money, it will also keep up with a Hellcat in a drag race up to a 1/8th mile - we've done that too, lol! Thanx for watching!
Hilarious the brick with more than twice the horsepower couldn't pass him for like 5 miles. I got to get me a pair of those sod busting gloves...I mean they just look fast don't they!!!
Patrick Jacobson - Correction, *didn’t* pass. There were several times where he could have passed the Focus if you know what you’re looking at.
Mista Butterworth agreed there is also something to be said about slower traffic holding them up for sure.
Mista Butterworth
You can tell people who know
Racing.
There were probably 5 times he had a pass.
Just like the video said
PLAYING WITH A FORD RS.
IT WAS OBVIOUS AND THE HELLCAT DID PRETTY GOOD AROUND THE TRACK
He hit the corners much better than expected. Watch the other videos and hellcat beats a couple porsche , mustangs, AMGs.
That boat can. " SWIM"LMAO
You had better watch the other videos where the guy does some more runs, this my friend was nothing more than a slow roll around the track practice run.
2:22 Yes, you can put the car to only use the paddles and never change gears by itself, in the lever shift you go to drive then push to the left to put it in manual and that’s it.
Yes. You are correct. I told him "no" because this was his first time behind the wheel & didn't want to have him thinking about too much. Bump Shifting wasn't really an option for him anyway. This was the first lap for him & the car was in basic "cruise" mode. Later laps we changed the setup of the suspension & transmission. Last lap (Mustang GT lap) he was in full "TRACK" mode & using the paddles - which was his favorite setup. Thanx for watching!
Focus plays with Heavy Hellcat trying on Nürburgring
Javier Díaz trying and eating it alive... no matter if its the last stretch or the whole track.
i'm just here for the usual 'yeah, but but its a family sedan, yeah consider its very heavy, yeah its not built for driving corners'-comments.
haha!.... yeah, you'll come across a lot of those, lol! Thanx for watching!
2nd comment - what mods have you done? You mentioned thermostat, diffuser, wider tires than 275s I know, all based on your comments.
car is pretty much stock. the OEM thermostat literally snapped in half & I had that replaced (a few weeks before this lap) under warranty (180 degree thermo is on my grocery list), but the OEM one handles the Ring just fine. I added a carbon fiber rear diffuser & rear spoiler & was worried about "Carousel" because it is extremely bumpy & wasn't sure if it would scrape - it didn't thankfully. Still running PZeros (like the Y rating since I usually hit 170+mph on the autobahn) but put 295's on the rear & lastly, after 12k miles I needed to swap out the front pads & went w/Power Stop Z26s.
Are the 295’s on stock wheels? If yes what are the specs and brand? Thank you
Bavarian MOPAR Works thanks . Love your videos keep up the good work
NO! I'm telling you get the 180 thermostat! I'm not joking when I say it feels like it adds 20whp! Next get 305's for the rear and a one piece drive shaft!
those are already on my grocery list! along with upper pulley, injectors, tune, brake lines, sway bar end links, strut brace, rear diff brace.........on & on & on.....lol!
Dude, your mom just passed you headed to the store. COMMON DRIVE IT!
Comparing the RS driver to the hellcat one is like day vs night!
He was taking it pretty easy..first time for him in this car. He drives another Hellcat on another video and it's night and day between those two performances.
'Not a bad run' at 9:29
Sabine Schmidt did 10:08 in a diesel Ford Transit van...
She could probably get a shopping trolley to pull a 15 min lap, lol! Give me 30,000+ laps on the Ring & I bet you I could do a 10:08 in a Ford Transit too!....lol....thx for watching....
Man I was holding onto my phone so tight that last corner pull.
Focus win`s .
the prize for Worst Driver, maybe..... lol
A family car with 3 adults hanging with a Ford Focus RS 😂
Sooper B .....Family car? The Focus is more of a family car than that.
Saud Abrahams uh, no, no it’s not.
Grant J uh yes, yes it is
Adam M based off of what criteria?
Grant J based on the fact it has 4 doors. Try throwing your kid in the car seat in the back of that.
2:20 "Is there anyway i can make it not shift unless I use the paddles?"
Uh yeah, get a manual. lol
J/K
Who cares it's got 700+ hp
But that 4 Cyl Focus RS is quite impressive, quite impressive...
haha! yeah, caught some flack for that comment when I first posted this vid - this was Driver Jon's first time behind the wheel, so he was just starting to get a feel for the car & we had it set to a basic setup (his later laps, AMG Merc & Mustang GT, we bumped it up a few notches & tried more hard core chassis setups). So when he asked, mid lap, I didn't want to try to explain anything to him or want to change anything while he was driving. Also, yeah, the RS is a GREAT little track car for the money. The driver of THIS one? not so much. If you want to see what it can do w/a good driver behind the wheel, go check out my buddy Dan Brown's channel "Track Focused" & watch Driver Jon literally LAP the field on the GP track here...it's AWESOME! Thanx for watching!
where was when you played with the RS?? AWD 350hp all built into a little bento box meant for this kind of driving?? Lol Hell Cat, like all dodge performance can only go fast and straight (useless) There is a reason why Ken Block drives a RS and Fiesta ST on the rally. Playing with the RS lololol this ain't the quarter mile.
“Useless” cause 90% of roads are twistys right? You fucking idiot 😂😂
Fun to watch. Not sure this is where the Dodge shines anyway. Cool cars all the way around
robert Lawson
The Dodge shines in the Showroom
Title needs to be reversed👀
im guessing the cat was in KPH....no way that rs was doing 170-200 mph
Obviously
I don’t think a Heavy 4 door sedan would reach 200mph/320kph on the Nürburgring
Cant drive shiat
Got sweat all over my mouse watching this lol!
Don't matter how fast that blue car is. In the end you're in a focus
A C pretty ignorant thing to say
Ryan No Thanks sure thing buddy
Now lets play the game of "Who owns a focus in the chat"...
Flying Steel I own a golf r32 look at my picture
Ryan No Thanks you own a golf. and a porche 911 is just a beetle. a range rover is just a ford explorer and the king and queen of england is german.
Quite a nice run round the track and balanced driving from the hellcat guy but you gotta admit he didn’t go close to pushing that thing to the limit neither punishing it exiting a turn nor at braking points. A track isn’t the hellcat’s playing field but could have definitely smoked that RS. P.S this is from someone who owns a SRT and have owned similar class to the focus and has some nice achievements on track ;). Was nice to watch though.
This was his first time on the track behind the wheel of the Hellcat (he drove the car to the track, which was his first time driving it, period). No, he was not pushing the car even close to the limit - we had 3 guys in the car & he was just getting a feel for what it would hold & how it would perform + we were trying out different suspension/transmission settings. His second lap in the car (the AMG/Porsche lap) was better & faster; his 3rd lap (the Mustang lap) was probably the hardest he drove it (& the fastest). thx for watching!
I don’t want to own a Hellcat anymore.
your loss.....