I've grown to love Zangief as a player over the last decade. One of my favorite incarnations is the Z-Man in Capcom vs SNK 2. The N-Groove dodge maneuver is Zangief's best friend, since pretty much any heavy attack or well-timed fireball dodge = instant Spinning Piledriver or even Super Piledriver! His Flying Powerbomb is great, too.
Beautiful spinners at 1:05, 2:10, 2:53, 5:35! Great comeback against Cammy, she is a good counter to Zangief. Man, that spinner at 5:06 looked like it was from 5 inches away! Loved how he used the running grab against Dhalsim, which is an important weapon! Another great thing I saw was Pony's mixing it up, sometimes jump attack and just grab, other times 1 tap, 2 taps, etc. This is also very important for Zangief players to use! Also, some of those spinners against Balrog were ridiculous!
With this performance Pony qualified for the quarters finals of X-mania. He later had to fight Otochun (Best Chun-Li player in Japan) and lost. You can see that match in my video similarly named "ChunLi Owning (Taikou 2002)"
Damn man, the first round of the second Dhalsim fight was amazing. With all of those yoga fires and far reaching limbs, he still managed to come out on top.
If you're wondering about input, only a 270 is necessary (numpad directions would be 6321478) so if you press the buttons just as your stick reaches the top you'll do it before you're in the air.
hmmm, i just noticed there that the bridge is really thin in the center...wonder whats stopping it from breaking into a million bits when gief piledrives someone >_>
SPD has a 1 (60 frames in 1 second) frame start-up. SPD has v.good range (distance Gief can grab you from) ST system allows Gief to put characters in block stun (No. of frames your held in block position before they can move) and then SPD before they can jump away. Charge characters (No. of frames needed before the special move can be executed) are F@*ked if they get floored and their anti-air special isnt ready. Pony is one of the best Gief players in the world, knows all the match-ups.
@blackfreakm (Final atomic buster)= make a circle with the joystick and press any punch. the shortcut to executing this move is to make only 3 quarters (540 degrees) of the motion
@blackfreakm SPD (Spinning pile driver)= make a circle with the joystick and press any punch. the shortcut to executing this move is to make only 3 quarters (270 degrees) of the motion
In Japan the boxer was based on Mike Tyson and given a similar name (M.Bison). When SF2 was released in Europe/USA, Capcom decided to change the names to avoid any copyright infringement. In Europe /USA the boxer = Balrog, Claw = Vega and Dictator = M.Bison.
scratch that last part, if you hold start and select the new challengers, you get the old characters. But still, vega's wall dive is programed wrong, o. sagat's tiger shots have more recovery on them, ken sim and N. sagat can reversal super, and etc. Its not ST by any standard, but it's still fun.
the combo, after jumping middle kick n low middle kick n SPD that is though knowing what's next but can't do anything its grapple movement has some kinda range
Stupid question but is the spd motion the same in SF2 as it is in SF4 and 5? The super too? And it seems like a tick spd is guaranteed in this game no?
Not guaranted, you can reversal with few specials move such as Shoryuken or Somersault. And it's the same yup but you don't need to do the full circle motion, you can do the 3/4 of it forward or backward.
Because the Spinning Pile Driver is still very hard to pull off while you're being attacked. It takes great skill to do it as accurately as Pony does here (such as while walking forward and defending against a possible fireball/sweep/Shoryuken). And Zangief's striking range is short in this game. He's ranked higher in the Alpha/Zero series.
Yeah, but Pony is beating up known tourney players in that video. All his enemies know exactly what they're doing and it's incredible that he's reading right through it. I mean, I'm a Zangief player too, but the way Pony plays is just godly. Zangief is so slow on his feet and while jumping, you literally have to be perfect to beat really good opponents.
M.Bison was Balrog's original name in the Japanese version. During the time of the games original release, Mike Tyson threatend to sue Capcom for using a likeness to his name and persona without his permission, so Capcom opted to change the names around and gave Balrog his name in the version released to the United States.
... he's buffering in the SPD while he does other actions, such as the kicks. SPD is actually extremely easy to pull off once you practice it a bit and in this version of SF, it has a bit of range.
Tick Throws, M-Kick pokes, reversal baiting, etc. very nice. But in HD Remix if you SPD you land far from each other, and you can't get back in time to safejump...
More like Gief's hardest matchup period. E Honda is also a pain, in my experience. But it's like every Sim move is made to fight a Gief. He can even teleport from the corner..
People who play mid/high tier characters don't win with skill? Thats news to me! But Pony rocks and this was a fantastic display on his part. I love his matches.
You don´t need to do a full 360 motion to execute "360" Moves. You only need a 270 degree motion. For example F,DF,D,DB,B,UB,U+Punch will do a spinning piledriver. For the double "360" he does a double 270 Motion like U,UB,B,DB,D,DF,F,DF,D,DB,B,UB,U+Punch. That way he can buffer the first 270 into an attack walk a step and then do the 2nd 270 for the super special. No "360 button".
@Ermac211 it's like with alot of things in life, some1 can tell u the knowledge and know how, but you'll have to do it yourself. It's a fast movement and you gotta time the last degrees with pressing the button
Since you obviously can't debate this point without turning it personal, I'll simply say you're right about me not understanding zoning or what you mean by that and kudos to the Zanfief player for beating such a hard character twice in the same video.
A tier list is someones opinion of how good each character is in comparison with all the other characters of a particular game. Commonly once all characters are in order from best to worst, people then express where the boundaries are in terms of a character being classed as Good (top), Average (Mid) or Bad (Low). In ST many people feel Zangief is Low-tier
Well...if you must know...Balrog is suppose to be M. Bison because in the Japanese version of older Street Fighters, he is technially suppose to be a clone Mike Tyson. But since that name was already taken, it was changed in the States due to copyrights, not to mention it would confuse people. Because of this, Vega was renamed Bison and the spanish ninja is renamed Vega in the U.S. Their original names in every Japanese arcade will always be Bison (Boxer), Vega (Dictator) and Balrog(Ninja).
That would be insane. considering how Zangief is low-tier in ST and Pony beast so hard with him. Zangief is, at this point considered the second best character in SFIV. So Pony would be near unstoppable
I think that's for the best. If he could safejump right after, it'd be too cheap. I say that as a casual Gief main. He's still dominates everything that comes near him.
maybe thats because i don't post vids on youtube and don't have access to live. so let me get this right......in order to be good at something, you have to have a name. by all means carry on brother, your attemps to get me angry are working as a form of coffe as i finish drawing this pic, you're entertaining me and i thank you for that.
Yes, and you can see what a miserable time even Pony would have against Dhalsim and Cammy. Those who say Zangief is overpowered, don't actually play Zangief. Pony just guessed his opponent's moves incredibly well.
Pony's Zangief is a legend because we haven't seen you dominate the rankings in the Japanese tournaments like he has. That is the only reason. We can't really take your word for it, unless you have videos and a name that you got to tournaments with. To not know pony is very odd, to say the least.
Great Zangief, a good player pianos the specials... (pressing all 3 buttons to get better chance at timing)... he messes up sometimes and instead of SPD he just lariats... ownage
Not true. Dhalsim has the throw speed and priority to reverse-throw Zangief; it's just difficult to time, especially if the Zangief player mixes it up with jabs and roundhouse trips. Not to mention that it's nearly impossible for Zangief to trap a really good Dhalsim player in the corner in the first place. So, Zangief is severely handicapped in that match.
I've grown to love Zangief as a player over the last decade.
One of my favorite incarnations is the Z-Man in Capcom vs SNK 2. The N-Groove dodge maneuver is Zangief's best friend, since pretty much any heavy attack or well-timed fireball dodge = instant Spinning Piledriver or even Super Piledriver! His Flying Powerbomb is great, too.
Pony's Zangief is a real work of art. So close to absolute PERFECTION... I love it!! I hope we seem him playing SF4 with Zangief again!
After playing Gief for a while you really recognize and appreciate the stuff he's doing!
Pony is a beast. I always get hyped watching him play.
Seeing Pony destroy that Dhalsim was cathartic.
Beautiful spinners at 1:05, 2:10, 2:53, 5:35! Great comeback against Cammy, she is a good counter to Zangief. Man, that spinner at 5:06 looked like it was from 5 inches away! Loved how he used the running grab against Dhalsim, which is an important weapon! Another great thing I saw was Pony's mixing it up, sometimes jump attack and just grab, other times 1 tap, 2 taps, etc. This is also very important for Zangief players to use! Also, some of those spinners against Balrog were ridiculous!
Gotta love the walk up SPDs. You have to see an opening and walk just into the distance then a full SPD input before they can react.
With this performance Pony qualified for the quarters finals of X-mania. He later had to fight Otochun (Best Chun-Li player in Japan) and lost. You can see that match in my video similarly named "ChunLi Owning (Taikou 2002)"
I was just thinking I'd love to see him go up against Otochun!
OMG, Ive never seen Zangief take out so many top/mid tier characters. his victims inc Dhalsim, Balrog, Guile etc
Dude in the broadscale of life, im afraid you fall into the nerd catergory just by being here.
Damn man, the first round of the second Dhalsim fight was amazing. With all of those yoga fires and far reaching limbs, he still managed to come out on top.
If you're wondering about input, only a 270 is necessary (numpad directions would be 6321478) so if you press the buttons just as your stick reaches the top you'll do it before you're in the air.
I love that turn around at 4:20. Classic :)
Trust me, they're top players. Pony's great play made them look that way
hmmm, i just noticed there that the bridge is really thin in the center...wonder whats stopping it from breaking into a million bits when gief piledrives someone >_>
SPD has a 1 (60 frames in 1 second) frame start-up.
SPD has v.good range (distance Gief can grab you from)
ST system allows Gief to put characters in block stun (No. of frames your held in block position before they can move) and then SPD before they can jump away.
Charge characters (No. of frames needed before the special move can be executed) are F@*ked if they get floored and their anti-air special isnt ready.
Pony is one of the best Gief players in the world, knows all the match-ups.
pony is god player.
Truer words were never spoken. tHawks command throw+super is a close second
How do you make the grapple attack when he jump with the enemie in the air and makes a 360° turning to the floor ?
(i play on snes)
@blackfreakm (Final atomic buster)= make a circle with the joystick and press any punch. the shortcut to executing this move is to make only 3 quarters (540 degrees) of the motion
Crazy matches. Pony is an amazing player in all aspects of ST.
@blackfreakm SPD (Spinning pile driver)= make a circle with the joystick and press any punch. the shortcut to executing this move is to make only 3 quarters (270 degrees) of the motion
I never get tired of seeing this guy land so many Screwdrivers
That sound after the Super Piledriver is their necks breaking.
Not to mention how much easier it is to do the same in HD remix.
Sheesh, what a master.
In Japan the boxer was based on Mike Tyson and given a similar name (M.Bison). When SF2 was released in Europe/USA, Capcom decided to change the names to avoid any copyright infringement. In Europe /USA the boxer = Balrog, Claw = Vega and Dictator = M.Bison.
scratch that last part, if you hold start and select the new challengers, you get the old characters. But still, vega's wall dive is programed wrong, o. sagat's tiger shots have more recovery on them, ken sim and N. sagat can reversal super, and etc. Its not ST by any standard, but it's still fun.
Good lord, Dhalsim got manhandled.
あっ見て！今まで無惨に散っていったザンギの魂が天に還ってゆく
the combo, after jumping middle kick n low middle kick n SPD that is though knowing what's next but can't do anything
its grapple movement has some kinda range
This guy is already doing tick throws before they were mainstream and popular...
8 year olds were tick throwing in sf2
Stupid question but is the spd motion the same in SF2 as it is in SF4 and 5? The super too? And it seems like a tick spd is guaranteed in this game no?
Not guaranted, you can reversal with few specials move such as Shoryuken or Somersault. And it's the same yup but you don't need to do the full circle motion, you can do the 3/4 of it forward or backward.
Yea SF2 isn't as lenient with the shortcuts. All you really need is 4 cardinal directions in order followed by a punch.
whats the first bgm ?
The KO at 6:58 was awesome.
Well played.
Bet the Takedaru (or whatever) was like wtf lol
@r1c1976 man, I have a supernintendo and street fighter japanese version, I wonder how to do this power 0:39 .
a 'gief this aggressive is truly a thing of terror
I'm always rooting for Gief players. This is a sweet vid.
Because the Spinning Pile Driver is still very hard to pull off while you're being attacked. It takes great skill to do it as accurately as Pony does here (such as while walking forward and defending against a possible fireball/sweep/Shoryuken). And Zangief's striking range is short in this game. He's ranked higher in the Alpha/Zero series.
Yeah, but Pony is beating up known tourney players in that video. All his enemies know exactly what they're doing and it's incredible that he's reading right through it. I mean, I'm a Zangief player too, but the way Pony plays is just godly. Zangief is so slow on his feet and while jumping, you literally have to be perfect to beat really good opponents.
The 360 Pile Driver: Best move EVER in any fighting game in history.
How come half his oopents names are off? Mike shows as bison, bison shows as vega
this has to be the best zangief player i've ever seen
I dunno, remember Bison in the first version of SFII?
He used to grab ya when punches coulnt hit him!... or it is just the way I remeber it.
They named the boxer Bison because of its similarity to (Mike)Tyson.
Balrog-Bison(Boxer)
Vega-Balrog(Claw)
Bison-Vega(Dictator)
and, what tournament have you been to?
starts charging back as soon as the sonic boom is thrown. And the player knows exactly how long he has to charge before the move can be executed
What do u mean? This is like the latest version of gief in SF games.... Unless u count CvS2 and CFJ\E
Megamanx-8 is the modern Gief player that most closely resembles this style of gameplay
how do you stop that Zangief tick throw crap?
the perfect vs ken was just plain frightening.
but, gah! where's part two of this?
how does he oull out them spd so quick, its almost as if he's uses the spd as a reversal
I expect so. It's Super SF2, came out on the 16-bit consoles. (I think Super Turbo came out on Neo Geo, if you really want to push the boat out)
M.Bison was Balrog's original name in the Japanese version. During the time of the games original release, Mike Tyson threatend to sue Capcom for using a likeness to his name and persona without his permission, so Capcom opted to change the names around and gave Balrog his name in the version released to the United States.
... he's buffering in the SPD while he does other actions, such as the kicks. SPD is actually extremely easy to pull off once you practice it a bit and in this version of SF, it has a bit of range.
Yeah, Pony is a legend, so he knows exactly what to do in certain situations even with a low tier character.
lol 6:20-6:58 pure justice. very nice play, it would be really nice to see Zief v. Sagat
You should hear Balrog's number announcements when you hold down ppp or kkk (or both)
On arcade or a system?
dyam that last round with ken really was LOL friggin awesome this guy ....has he ever been beatnen?
if so with who?
aniken playing as guile at the start? O.o
Tiers do matter, would you play gief vs sim in the finals?
Tick Throws, M-Kick pokes, reversal baiting, etc. very nice. But in HD Remix if you SPD you land far from each other, and you can't get back in time to safejump...
Proves that skills conquer over all
このザンギかっこええ。10分間楽しませてもらいました。
More like Gief's hardest matchup period. E Honda is also a pain, in my experience.
But it's like every Sim move is made to fight a Gief. He can even teleport from the corner..
This is the Japanese version which has the names right. It's in the English version of the game where they swaped the names of Bison, Vega and Balrog.
wait which SF is this?
Why does the moon move so quickly?
Everyone knows dude, never let Zangief corner you no matter who the fuck is playing. He gets you in a corner it's all over.
People who play mid/high tier characters don't win with skill? Thats news to me!
But Pony rocks and this was a fantastic display on his part. I love his matches.
is Zangief throwing range double that of other characters? The gap between them seems huge
In the right hands, yes. Very much so. Pony's a PERFECT example of this. Same goes for T.Hawk (Toutanki is a good example).
You don´t need to do a full 360 motion to execute "360" Moves. You only need a 270 degree motion. For example F,DF,D,DB,B,UB,U+Punch will do a spinning piledriver. For the double "360" he does a double 270 Motion like U,UB,B,DB,D,DF,F,DF,D,DB,B,UB,U+Punch. That way he can buffer the first 270 into an attack walk a step and then do the 2nd 270 for the super special. No "360 button".
how does guile do sonic boom so fast
@Ermac211 it's like with alot of things in life, some1 can tell u the knowledge and know how, but you'll have to do it yourself. It's a fast movement and you gotta time the last degrees with pressing the button
Since you obviously can't debate this point without turning it personal, I'll simply say you're right about me not understanding zoning or what you mean by that and kudos to the Zanfief player for beating such a hard character twice in the same video.
that round 3 perfect on ken was sick. 9:15
A tier list is someones opinion of how good each character is in comparison with all the other characters of a particular game. Commonly once all characters are in order from best to worst, people then express where the boundaries are in terms of a character being classed as Good (top), Average (Mid) or Bad (Low). In ST many people feel Zangief is Low-tier
"Reversal Attack" by Zangief at 02:10. Well, he's sovietic, right?
go for the capcom classics collection 2. The anniversary edition has a few problems with the st characters. And their are no old characters.
Well...if you must know...Balrog is suppose to be M. Bison because in the Japanese version of older Street Fighters, he is technially suppose to be a clone Mike Tyson. But since that name was already taken, it was changed in the States due to copyrights, not to mention it would confuse people. Because of this, Vega was renamed Bison and the spanish ninja is renamed Vega in the U.S. Their original names in every Japanese arcade will always be Bison (Boxer), Vega (Dictator) and Balrog(Ninja).
Either buffer it in while doing another action, or start at F, rotate to UB and press P as soon as you hit UB so you don't jump.
@PurexOvvnage
instead of doing back, forward+punch, you do back, forward, back+punch. you will charge the next boom right away
Zangief is now considered the best in SFIV in japan the next in line is sagat
Don't fuck with the Red Cyclone! Bolshoi pavieda!
Zangief is actually scary like any other power characters like Hugo.
That would be insane. considering how Zangief is low-tier in ST and Pony beast so hard with him. Zangief is, at this point considered the second best character in SFIV. So Pony would be near unstoppable
doing a reversal move that keeps you off the ground (shoryuken, or flashkick).
Ty
I think that's for the best. If he could safejump right after, it'd be too cheap. I say that as a casual Gief main. He's still dominates everything that comes near him.
Erh well I guess I did forget SF4 and HD Remix. I know in SF4 he's high tier, but I have no idea about HD Remix.
a good 'Gief is truly a terrifying thing.
Lmao @ the Exchange at 5:01. That sim looked like he didn't have a clue.
maybe thats because i don't post vids on youtube and don't have access to live.
so let me get this right......in order to be good at something, you have to have a name. by all means carry on brother, your attemps to get me angry are working as a form of coffe as i finish drawing this pic, you're entertaining me and i thank you for that.
dude, this is X-MANIA, one of the top tournaments in JP. Pony has been tested.
Yes, and you can see what a miserable time even Pony would have against Dhalsim and Cammy. Those who say Zangief is overpowered, don't actually play Zangief. Pony just guessed his opponent's moves incredibly well.
Pony's Zangief is a legend because we haven't seen you dominate the rankings in the Japanese tournaments like he has. That is the only reason.
We can't really take your word for it, unless you have videos and a name that you got to tournaments with. To not know pony is very odd, to say the least.
Great Zangief, a good player pianos the specials... (pressing all 3 buttons to get better chance at timing)... he messes up sometimes and instead of SPD he just lariats... ownage
Wow that win at 6:57 is damn impressive. Guess its not over until its over lol. An it was also funny that low tier Cammy gave him the most problems.
HOW ON EARTH did he catch him at 0:40 ?! he was like a million miles away...
Not true. Dhalsim has the throw speed and priority to reverse-throw Zangief; it's just difficult to time, especially if the Zangief player mixes it up with jabs and roundhouse trips. Not to mention that it's nearly impossible for Zangief to trap a really good Dhalsim player in the corner in the first place. So, Zangief is severely handicapped in that match.