Speaking of riser, Devon said the biggest lesson he learned from the first Levan match was the importance of rising. I think he went from 80ish pounds to 100 as of today from that match (he never lifts 100% weight on these lifts only 90% according to him). Is it enough to get him in the match this time around? Who knows.
Totally agree with you. prioritising rise and pronated / top knuckle rise as well as finger containment in my training has given me so much more centre table control. Love the videos 💪💪💪
@@ChrisDrummondAW u look like u could be related to the kid near the beginning of the movie, if u remember it. and i appreciate u making these insightful helpful vids still.
I never said my cup was stronger than his backpressure and pronation, only that I’m stronger in pure backpressure. But no matter what there is no forcing the hook on Brad right-handed.
Learning to hook proper isnt forcing it in, its snapping it in quick off the go. Like most europeans do it. Its all in the setup up and reaction time. If you're trying to force a hook you'll be getting top rolled hard at the higher levels
Hey chris, I want to build posting toproll in my arsenal, I see your video on posting toproll but I didn't understand fundamental steps to perform it against a good armwrestlers in correct way to not stuck in a hook.
very interesting. when i do my rising lift, its also never my hand that buckles but simply my arm that isnt strong enough. However, i also do it with a very small degree of cup in my wrist. The same lift with a slightly extended wrist feels super unstable and shitty, but perhaps i should train it that way. But yea, in practice my riser is also never the weak link and people mention how strong it is
Hey is there a diff bw side pressure with flat(neither pronated nor supinated),wrist vs in a hook In a hook my sidepressure goes down like 30% against the same opponent ... Or is there any other strength i am lacking such as cupping , supination,ulnar deviation
Brad does it on a cable and table but it’s belt over knuckles, he just does it at a bit of s supine angle which benefits from wrist flexion somewhat as long as you can keep yourself from being turned over more. Lefty it’s not like that but on right it’s super dominant.
I just watched your video regarding what strenght program we need to follow to gain strength, do you think we can apply the Linear Periodization style to train our riser?
Depends on who you are pulling. If they have awesome pronation they can roll that cup open. It just depends if your cup can beat your opponent’s pronation if they’re a top roller. But all things equal pronation beats cup because pronation attacks fingers which is the weakest link from my experience
@@willychapman1436 I think it’s more the opposite without hand / wrist you’re limited to how much backpressure you can apply. Via Ermes vs Devon. At the end of the day we’re holding hands not arms. All pressure is transferred through the hand. Yes it all has to work together but hand/wrist is numero uno imo. Most guys out there are going to have more arm power than hand/wrist/pronation. A lot of guys come into the sport with already good backpressure. The hand is the weak link.
@@Dmgolfer22 you’re 100% correct brother. I did forgot to mention that my “back pressure” training is always with a belt with locked pronation or over the knuckles for rising. So I train my hand in each exercise! I’ve seen that most arm wrestlers train back pressure like Ermes, just grabbing the belt then pulling back , and you can def get good gains but imo you should be able to back pressure always with locked pronation and a good riser! So I’m always training my hand for a more efficient workout. What I meant when I said “pronation is nothing without back pressure “ is that sometimes you can have an incredible pronation, and still can’t roll through your opponents fingers, that’s mainly because you’re lacking back pressure, I don’t believe in pure pronation strength, like opening your opponents fingers only with your wrist pronation, without any back pressure , if someone could ever do that, he’s prolly be a freak of nature! At the end of the day we all train pronation not to actually pronate, but to not get supinated
Yeah it's interessting... I think John Brzenk hardly ever trains rising. I also know this from Jordan Tsonev. And those two still are pretty good 🙂 There are also many ways to rise. Most people rise with pronation and walking fingers. But you can also do it inside of with supination. You have to be careful out of the straps if someone has a considerable longer arm than yourself and is a good handwalker in my opinion...
And yeah, it's definetly not just a numbers game. I wrestled I guy I met in a AW chat. He had similar riser, similar backpressure and even considerably better pronation (at least in his lift) than me. I still was able to control the top of the hand pretty comfortably. My supination, my fingers, and especially my sidepressure are stronger than his though... Yeah, but we were both exited to compare 🙂
John doesn’t and he hardly ever expresses his pronation through his knuckles. His cup and pronation are super dominant and he makes the most of that style. It’s not better or worse inherently, you have to work with what’s best for the tools you are given.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Yeah many ways to pull. Tsonev doesn't train rise and also not supination. But cup and pronation even though he is a hooker. In my opinion it would be good to train supination as a hooker. He says people who train supination don't understand armwrestling... :-)
If I ever met Chris Drummond in real life i would shake his hand and we would talk about Ivan Matyushenko
Thanks for the compliments man! Was great seeing you and your wife. Feel free to come down again anytime
It's insane that Brad's riser is so good, considering that your riser is pretty freaky as well
On right mine’s good but not freaky. But Brad, yeah, there’s a reason he’s a top-10 SHW and it’s all within that riser and cup.
Brads the man. High level IQ Armwrestler for sure .
Speaking of riser, Devon said the biggest lesson he learned from the first Levan match was the importance of rising. I think he went from 80ish pounds to 100 as of today from that match (he never lifts 100% weight on these lifts only 90% according to him). Is it enough to get him in the match this time around? Who knows.
what's funny is i've never seen Levan so a riser lift, only back pressure
@@ehoc42 the guys from the east often train their riser together with backpressure...
@@ehoc42 dont be mistaken he also trains it. His riser is 55kg+ like Gasparini.
Totally agree with you. prioritising rise and pronated / top knuckle rise as well as finger containment in my training has given me so much more centre table control. Love the videos 💪💪💪
TH-cam algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... u have come a long way from your appearance in the original Jurassic Park movie 😁
What?
@@ChrisDrummondAW u look like u could be related to the kid near the beginning of the movie, if u remember it. and i appreciate u making these insightful helpful vids still.
I jus learned of Brad from east vs west. Seems like a stud
You are the man
If your cupping, sidepressure was stronger than his hammer and pronation equal or so you can force a hook
I never said my cup was stronger than his backpressure and pronation, only that I’m stronger in pure backpressure. But no matter what there is no forcing the hook on Brad right-handed.
Learning to hook proper isnt forcing it in, its snapping it in quick off the go. Like most europeans do it. Its all in the setup up and reaction time. If you're trying to force a hook you'll be getting top rolled hard at the higher levels
Rise up rise above. Rise that riser on a riser to the high rise with some rice. 💪
Hey chris, I want to build posting toproll in my arsenal, I see your video on posting toproll but I didn't understand fundamental steps to perform it against a good armwrestlers in correct way to not stuck in a hook.
i remember brad saying he rises 110, that's what ermes was doing literally like only a month ago
Yeah he also said he can’t do it anymore since he stopped 3 months ago. His riser technique is different though.
very interesting. when i do my rising lift, its also never my hand that buckles but simply my arm that isnt strong enough. However, i also do it with a very small degree of cup in my wrist. The same lift with a slightly extended wrist feels super unstable and shitty, but perhaps i should train it that way.
But yea, in practice my riser is also never the weak link and people mention how strong it is
I do it with a little bit of cup as well 👍
Hey is there a diff bw side pressure with flat(neither pronated nor supinated),wrist vs in a hook
In a hook my sidepressure goes down like 30% against the same opponent ...
Or is there any other strength i am lacking such as cupping , supination,ulnar deviation
What riser lift are you referring to that Brads much better at?
Brad does it on a cable and table but it’s belt over knuckles, he just does it at a bit of s supine angle which benefits from wrist flexion somewhat as long as you can keep yourself from being turned over more. Lefty it’s not like that but on right it’s super dominant.
I just watched your video regarding what strenght program we need to follow to gain strength, do you think we can apply the Linear Periodization style to train our riser?
Sure, why not?
@@ChrisDrummondAWappreciate that 👍💪
Chris how often should i fail a max effort lift until i stop?
Will you do Evsw predictions?
I always do.
Do you think thah zoloevs and georgi tautiev train full range of motion on all lifts like they sad?
Probably.
What would happen if I have very strong cupping but zero pronation?
If have decent ulnar deviation u r good to go
Depends on who you are pulling. If they have awesome pronation they can roll that cup open. It just depends if your cup can beat your opponent’s pronation if they’re a top roller. But all things equal pronation beats cup because pronation attacks fingers which is the weakest link from my experience
@@Dmgolfer22and without back pressure pronation is nothing! We have to train pretty much every vector
@@willychapman1436 I think it’s more the opposite without hand / wrist you’re limited to how much backpressure you can apply. Via Ermes vs Devon. At the end of the day we’re holding hands not arms. All pressure is transferred through the hand. Yes it all has to work together but hand/wrist is numero uno imo. Most guys out there are going to have more arm power than hand/wrist/pronation. A lot of guys come into the sport with already good backpressure. The hand is the weak link.
@@Dmgolfer22 you’re 100% correct brother.
I did forgot to mention that my “back pressure”
training is always with a belt with locked pronation or over the knuckles for rising. So I train my hand in each exercise! I’ve seen that most arm wrestlers train back pressure like Ermes, just grabbing the belt then pulling back , and you can def get good gains but imo you should be able to back pressure always with locked pronation and a good riser! So I’m always training my hand for a more efficient workout.
What I meant when I said “pronation is nothing without back pressure “ is that sometimes you can have an incredible pronation, and still can’t roll through your opponents fingers, that’s mainly because you’re lacking back pressure, I don’t believe in pure pronation strength, like opening your opponents fingers only with your wrist pronation, without any back pressure , if someone could ever do that, he’s prolly be a freak of nature! At the end of the day we all train pronation not to actually pronate, but to not get supinated
Yeah it's interessting... I think John Brzenk hardly ever trains rising. I also know this from Jordan Tsonev. And those two still are pretty good 🙂
There are also many ways to rise. Most people rise with pronation and walking fingers. But you can also do it inside of with supination. You have to be careful out of the straps if someone has a considerable longer arm than yourself and is a good handwalker in my opinion...
And yeah, it's definetly not just a numbers game. I wrestled I guy I met in a AW chat. He had similar riser, similar backpressure and even considerably better pronation (at least in his lift) than me. I still was able to control the top of the hand pretty comfortably. My supination, my fingers, and especially my sidepressure are stronger than his though...
Yeah, but we were both exited to compare 🙂
John doesn’t and he hardly ever expresses his pronation through his knuckles. His cup and pronation are super dominant and he makes the most of that style. It’s not better or worse inherently, you have to work with what’s best for the tools you are given.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Yeah many ways to pull. Tsonev doesn't train rise and also not supination. But cup and pronation even though he is a hooker. In my opinion it would be good to train supination as a hooker. He says people who train supination don't understand armwrestling... :-)
Ps: And he trains backpressure and a lot of sidepressure!! And as much table as possible, bulgarian system...