Dutch Kickboxing vs Sanda EPIC THIRD ROUND
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- One of the greatest matches that showcases the difference between Sanda Kickboxing and Dutch Kickboxing. The Sanda representative is named Jiao Fukai and the Dutch Kickboxer is the esteemed Andy Souwer. Let's see the amazing boxing-focused combos of Dutch kickboxing in action, especially in the third round! Let us know what you saw and which of Souwer's combos were your favorites! Also, let us know if we should keep trying to reach out to KLF to figure out what happened to their big channel!
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0:00 Round 1
2:53 Round 2
5:10 EPIC Round 3
8:46 .75 speed analysis of round 3
12:17 Last minute rewatch - กีฬา
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Yeah I definitely like this kinda stuff more.
That's sad, because these technical fights are the ones really worth watching...
It really is nice to watch fights with actual skill from both fighters.
Dutch kickboxing is no joke. Their style was formed specifically to deal with muay thai and they are tough. Andy himself is a legend
Sanda was not allowed to do everything
Also, Dutch Kickboxers seem to have a shorter lifespan cause they spar really hard all the time
@@SuperKendomanlike ramon dekkers
@@robleyusuf2566 True. If this was under Sanda rules, Jiao Fukai would've had an advantage with throws and takedowns.
Dutch kickboxing is Muay Thai rival. My favourite fighter of Dutch style is Damien Trainor. He also mastered Muay Thai made him among the best fighter
I studied Dutch Kickboxing for a short time. Loved the insane hand and leg combos and I got into the best shape of my life. Also, this art has great defense. Best kickboxing style I've ever tried.
It's defence philosophy has a minor problem, it's called CTE 🤣
The problem with styles like this is when the rule set limits one style. Throws are about half the arsenal of Sanda, if they can't throw you cut out most of what they train for
Andy Souwer is a legend. Used to watch him in K-1 Max. He was one of if not the best kickboxer in the world at certain points of his career.
The best ? Weren't Buakaw and Petrosyan active around the same time ?
@@someboi4903 different weight division I guess
@@makaiev They were all in the same weight class though ?
@@someboi4903Yeah, they were. And All three were considered Great. Often it depended on WHO WON the current K-1 Max Tourney that year, and Often THAT depended on Who they fought to get THROUGH to the finals. Great fighters. Great.
@@someboi4903 Buakaw beat him twice in K1 tournament but the first one he got robbed and everyone knows that.
I think Petrosyan is way better then Souwer too.
the dutch kicks are different because of the twist in the shoulder adding more power into the kick. they also have some really good close range kicks from kyokushin.
Sanda wasn’t allowed to throw in K1, that’s 1/3 of their kit. Really big handicap.
Sanda guy fighting under kickboxing rules, no takedowns and throws (sanda speciality). Andy sower such a great fighter
another reason why the sanda guy stopped striking as well is not only did the kickboxer land great strikes, the kickboxer also did a lateral shift in which the sanda guy was very square or even orthodox which was unfamiliar to the sanda guy who stuck to southpaw thru the fight
Do you have any videos of Muay Thai vs Dutch kickboxing? That’s something I’d really like to hear you commentate
Andy came up in Shootboxing if anyone is interested seeing him fight under similar rules to Sanda.
Dutch kickboxing is probably kyokushin Karata, boxing, and Muay Thai.
You are correct.
According to Dutch kickboxing history videos it is based on karate
While there is some early karate influence, Dutch kickboxing is mainly Muay Thai with emphasis on good boxing combinations, it’s often referred to as Dutch Style Muay Thai. Ramon Dekkers and other early stars of Dutch style were proud to be nak muay champions.
Mainly Kyokushin with boxing combos and later a little Muay Thai*
Fixed it for you
@@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96 nope
Yes, deal with it 😊.@rgrtnyjjc
this is very Dutch kickboxing, but it was hard for me to differentiate the sanda here from Muay Thai. Maybe it's the apparent fact that throws weren't legal in this fight.
That was an awesome fight by both combatants. It was a battle of attrition. Agree...Sanda fighter had the edge in the earlier rounds but Andy Souwer picked up the tempo and stuck to his strategy of pressure fighting. You can see the "beginning of the end" around the 2 mins remaining in the 3rd round where Souwer threw the two knees.
This lacks the most important part of sanda : the throwdowns. Also the sanda guy did almost no side kick wich is weird becouse in sanda they use it a lot and it is usually very effective.
Sanda guy definitely doesn't have enough stamina, that's the same problem that I've seen on alot of other Sanda fighters
@@Joooo89 really? I have understood opposite. Sanda guys usually have extraordinary good stamina. But of ofcourse there are exeptions.
@gabrielgabriel5177 I'm currently training both of Sanda & Muay Thai, on top of other martial arts that I've learned before (Taekwondo & Muay Thai are the longest).. From my experiences, TKD and Sanda have similar problems. They do fancy kicking, which can be lethal but on the other hand, take a lot of stamina, but they don't train their stamina to the point of balancing their stamina output from doing those "fancy" kicks (sorry for my English, idk how to explain better) 😁
@@Joooo89 no problem my english is even worse lol. Where do you learn sanda? I understood that in china they are training sanda quite hard and only the top athletes are competing in top level so they must have quite good stamina. I dont think the sanda side kick takes as much stamina as muay thay round house kick. Other fancier kicks might. But also old muay thay has those flying fancy kicks. But the simple sanda side kick seems to be powerful weapon against muay thay becouse muay thay pactioners doesnt know how to response to it.
I believe the competition in China in Sanda is very big, and to become a name you have to be really good and to have great stamina. Just imagine how much competitive is one regional championship. With so much participants.
Dutch fighter is just pissed off after the last nut shot he received and he went straight into pissed off revenge mode LOL
Over look the theatrics and this was a great fight. Good stuff.
Hey i know that kickboxer i go to the same gym as him
That’s awesome!
Wow Andy turned up the volume of punches and overwhelmed the Sanda guy
Comment 17 on video catching up
Andy was awesome, I would like to learn Dutch Kickboxing one of these days 😄🥊.
Finally a high level match. Andy Souwer was top notch in his day and I have always given Sanda it's ratings
It's really cool to see some of the Dutch kick boxing combos I drill represented in the ring.
Just before the fight ended, i was just thinking the sanda guy is lucky there ain't no 4'th round, he looked so worn out..
Impressive to see Andy Sauer STILL CAN FIGHT at that level even being a veteran kickboxer... Dutch style inveolves absorving blows constatly and it weights with aging but damn.... look at him go!
Good fight . Two real fighters for a change.
I disagree here. It was the body that crushed him. The thing about body blows is the effects take a while but they 1)suck the power out of you and 2) make you more vulnerable as your defenses fall. White/red took a hit to the body and he did the characteristic bend over with a block after the punch landed. That is the salute that said to me that the fighter’s core postures has been compromised. The shots to the head after that was just nini punches to finish the job.
Yes, I agree. 12:42 this one, I believe. His hands stayed low from that point onwards.
I feel like andy's strategy from the beginning was "I can take more hits than this guy. I'll start off slow until he tires himself out and I'll get a feel for his moves. Then on round 3 I'm tearing him apart while he's tired."
Andy Souwer is a practicioner of Japanese Shootboxing though. During his K1 career he used to wear those Shootboxing pants.
He's a Dutch kickboxing stylist who competed in shootboxing and thus probably cross trained a little. He used to train out of mejiro in Amsterdam
God, I love Sanda
Some thing i need to point out in china gyms and rings have the cheapest and worst mats ring floors because of those ads plastered all over the ring is basically like fighting on ice
Good come back
I think our boi Andy was just testing the waters a little in the beginning, but I think the multiple kicks to the nuts set him off. Ha ha ha! I don't know how Dutch Kickboxing is any different from other kickboxing, so I would've liked to see that explosive Dutch style sooner. This was cool! It looked kinda like stuff straight out of Tekken at times.
Edit: I do dig the Dutch mentality. "Hit me once significantly, I'll hit you 3 times significantly." Ha ha ha! It's certainly an interesting take on counterplay. But, I think it also comes down to knowing what kind of punishment they're able to take to get in and deliver the follow-up blows.
I agree that getting fouled fired Souwer up for the last round. It was as if he thought to himself "The ref isn't doing anything about it, so I will.", and at that point he really started roughing his opponent up at close range, in addition to the explosive combos you mentioned.
Thanks for the research, that sounds to me to what the Mexican style is in boxing 🥊.
Anyone know what the KKKKKKKKKKKKKK's on the screen are supposed to represent?
Does anyone know their weigh-in weights for this bout?
Sanda have Grappling too but because of the rules here The Sanda Guy can't use his Grappling skills.
yep, conditioning. Sanda guy faded after a few minutes of high tempo actions in the beginning of the 3rd round.
Looks like sanda guy pissed Andy off after the third or fourth nut check and he shifted gears.
Dutch people have a bit of different body types (not necessarily Andy) which also contributed to the creation of Dutch kickboxing.
What’s the purpose of the push kicks? Does it hurt or just to strategic distance for follow ups?
Really depends. Sometimes its for distance, sometimes its to set up stuff, sometimes its for damage. Human body is weird. Some parts of it are tough, other parts so week, so any strike can be just an annoyance or a KO.
@@FightCommentary ah I see thx!
Andy Sower is still going at it? Dude must be in his 40s now, no? I remember him squaring up against Buakaw in the 2000s
Sanda is insanely fast and aggressive fighting. Sanda guys usually try to kill people in the first round
Sad the sanda guy wasn't allowed to use his throws
Ye the sanda guy would rack up a lot of points if he could but Its a kick boxing match
Is there video of him using them effectively? I have some background in Sanshou, and neither his build or style would lead me to believe that
he would be pulling off Cung Le style slams. Sweeps were still legal.
Honestly, I think he'd have gassed faster if he was going for them. He did well, though. He should be proud considering who he was fighting!
Sanda guy was not allowed to do all Sanda techniques
A 'Textbook' of Dutch kickboxing
i had a serieus very extreme bad yought until i fled with my mother... Kyokushin was my salvation...the oldschool way...i learned to have respect , control , empathie and really feel en know youre body, and you learn to love the pain 13:32 ...K1 is a simple example what is the dominant martial art.. Kyokushin/thaiboxing/boxing...DUTCH STYLE KICKBOXING! But every person is different and have to find his own way...(Bruce Lee)...Ushhh.
low blows like that qi la la fight haha. just got kicked in the balls from a muay thai coach yesterday and it was not fun, but definitely not as dramatic as theyre acting. i wasnt wearing a cup either
Pardon me to ask, but did you condition your low body (pardon, genital area)? If you did, may I ask your advice? I got (roundhouse) kicked twice in a sparring match once and I called off in the third round because I cannot stand it. I thought I was being dramatic on the ring, I was embarrassed, but I feel the pain lingers for days. I thought to myself "Am I too weak?" because some people seem to not make it a big deal on getting kicked in the ball (like Rodtang). I got kicked some more but it was light sparring and I can still go on, so I thought the low blow in this video (in an actual sports fight) or in a sparring (hard sparring especially) should be normal to be reacted (pain reaction). Thank you in advance good, sir! 🙏
@@adsurkasurno, don't condition your balls, just don't get hit there lol
@@adsurkasur dont condition your balls thats stupid asf
@@OAT86 its not a flex, muay thai coaches are very precise so its funny he hit there. also im on vacation and didnt bring my cup
Where are the comments about kung fu being a joke? the sanda guy went the distance with a legend
He didn't go the distance. His corner through in the towel.
I was still impressed with his performance
And the most impressive part of sanda is not allowed here
If this was under Sanda rules, Jiao Fukai would've had an advantage with throws and takedowns.
Andy isn't a Dutch kickboxer. He does japanese shootboxing. It's basically Japanese sanda. Standing submissions, throws, and basically everything else except knees i think
Sour one of the goats
Bro do you even know who is Andy? Karate and boxing? It is not really the case with Dutch kickboxing... That is traditional kickboxing, dutch kickboxing is more muay thai influenced
"it isnt real sanda, real sanda wouldve won" nah dutch kickboxing won fair and square. kickboxing is better at striking than a muay thai or sanda guy that necessitates differences in stance because of grappling and rulesets. however the problem with muay thai imo is the upright stance from the lack of lower body takedowns that sanda has. these dutch kickboxers have a lower stance to land more punches and land combos and they dont have as upright of a stance so they can defend takedowns better.
You need to know Andy Souwer before you commentary any dutch kickboxing match
Andy is one of the few people in the world that has beaten Buakaw.
As a Dutch person it's a little weird to hear it being referred to as Dutch kickboxing, but I do get the difference.
It's hyper aggressive at times, almost to a fault. It's what got me to slow down and incorporate more of a muy thai mindset to my sparring.
Sanda guy sees like muay thai for me
That's not Sanda, it's still Muay Thai!
Sanda: It's not different from Muay Thai that doesn't use elbows. 😆
Nice fight between southpaw and orthodox
Are you allowed to push your opponent away like that
Nah, not conditioning. Andy absolutely destroyed his body. Definitely a TKO.
What’s the point in commenting on SanDa fighters that aren’t fighting w SanDa rules?
This is a kickboxing match with no clinch… it’s not a SanDa fight unfortunately. No throws, No clinch… not SanDa
No throw down = No Sanda
SAnda Guy is super strong
This is what happens when you push all the testosterone into the opponent's bloodstream :))
Cambodian kickboxing (Kun Khmer) 🇰🇭 N°1
W sanda fr
This guy only make commentary where Chinese Martial art always lose
Sands guy ran out of oxygen so Dutch guy scored more.
I don’t think he was a dutch kickboxer
Frankly speaking, andy got only third round and didn't even drop Chinese guy, so sanda should have won, in my opinion
They threw in the towel as the Sanda guy wasn't defending much anymore and clearly wobbly on his feet. I think that was a good call. He probably would have gotten KO'd otherwise.
@@chubbymoth5810 well, maybe i watched fight with my ass, instead of eyes. Didn't see the towel
if you throw in the towel, you lose by default. There's really no room for interpretation there.
Sǎndǎgǎy
Dutch style fights like that because they learned Japanese Kickboxing which is a mixture of Muay Thai with Kyokoshin, later on adding boxing.
It would be better if you'd call the fighters by their names, instead of saying "Dutch Kickboxer" or "Sanda guy".
I think it's funny when he calls legends like that, he once called benny urquidez "pretty good kickboxing guy" and Andy Hug "karate guy"
I think he does it on purpose
Whenever I call people by their names, I get some ignoramus in the comments saying I didn’t explain who is who enough, so I hope to see you guys in the comments in the future telling them to pay better attention because until then I’m helping the slowest viewers.
Sanda is such a rip off of Muay Thai 😆 ... it's Muay Thai but they've slapped a "made in China" on it
Thai spotted 😂.