Understanding Smart Electrical Panels | Ask This Old House
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- In this video, home technology expert Ross Trethewey and master electrician Heath Eastman teach host Kevin O’Connor about this new wave of electrical technology.
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Heath Eastman and home technology expert Ross Trethewey teach host Kevin O’Connor about smart electrical panels. The two pros show Kevin how this new wave of technology is more about optimization than maximization, giving users complete control over their electrical system.
Smart Electrical Panels are the New School
Everyone has an electrical panel in their house, and the design hasn’t changed much in decades. However, the newest technology to come along is smart technology-enabled electrical panels. While these systems can stand alone or piggyback off of a standard panel, their features make them an attractive option for energy-savvy homeowners.
Smart Panels Focus on Load Management
Load management is the name of the game for smart electrical panels. The technology to monitor how much energy the home is using isn’t new, but the ability to manage how it’s using that energy is. These panels utilize relays to control circuits, and they report back to a smartphone app. Not only can the user see how much each circuit is drawing, but they can also turn each circuit on or off.
They Optimize Energy Storage Systems
In the case of a generator or solar-fueled battery system, smart electrical panels allow users to make informed decisions. In the past, these energy storage systems were often controlled by a separate panel of circuits, and the users couldn’t switch circuits at will. And, for those that weren’t, the backup system would power the entire house, which could deplete batteries too quickly or draw too much on the generator to be efficient.
Rather than energizing an entire house with a backup generator, the user can choose which circuits turn on and off when the generator kicks on. This lessens the load and creates safer transfers.
There’s a Panel for Every Scenario
There are panels for existing electrical systems and those designed for new installations. The retrofit panels install after the existing electrical panels. Installers can expand the system with as many of these panels as necessary. For new installations, the smart panel takes the place of a standard panel, with main breakers and relays integrated into one clean unit.
The integrated units are also a good idea for anyone who plans to upgrade to a large solar system or generator in the future.
Where to find it?
Lumin panel provided www.luminsmart.com
SPAN panel provided www.span.io
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Automated controls are the future/ present state of our working world and definitely have great advantages in the right situations. However, after doing electrical maintenance for an airport and a school district, it is clear to me and my coworkers that troubleshooting/ servicing electronically controlled services is a far bigger headache. I'm not an old guy", but I know the old wisdom of having fewer "moving parts" still holds true. We're one lighting strike or solar flare away from the stone ages.
It's not just that.
It's controllable from the internet.
Someone at the electric company decides they don't like you chasing the bob cat away from your kids and a hack later; you have no power and no one is able to figure out why.
@@scotttovey chasing the bob cat away from your kids?
My biggest issue with something like that is must be connected to the Internet. That's a no go for me, I already hate the idea that my "smart bulbs" don't work if I lose my internet. Can't imagine loosing communication with my entire electrical panel.
@@Soligniari
I looked at a device a few years back that you plugged a USB drive into and it connected to the local network.
It looked promising but upon further research I learned that you can't configure the device without first logging into the companies internet site.
In addition to a way to log into the device, a reputable developer would have designed it so that you plugged the device into a network port, then plug the USB drive into it, and it automatically shared the drive even if the network was not connected to the internet.
Needless to say; I didn't buy the product.
@@scotttovey the truth is, companies can make "smart" products that communicate within your local network.
But in the personal information mining age that were in why would they?
It's honestly a shame.
Cause security is always an afterthought with the majority of these companies.
The problem with Span is they require the use of their cloud, and they don't have a direct, locally-accessible REST API I can use to integrate it into my custom home automation. I suspect the Lumin is similar (I've sent an inquiry). I wish more people would insist on full offline functionality, and full customizability.
Thanks for bringing this up! I'm on the engineering team at SPAN, and we're actually working on local APIs. Most of us are electronics hobbyists and energy nerds in our free time, and a lot of us are dog-fooding the SPAN Panel and already have it installed on our own houses. There are several active internal projects running local APIs that have been demonstrated to the rest of the company already. We understand the SPAN Panel isn't like a security camera or cat feeder that stops working someday, you grumble and find a new one...this is literally built into your house and everything we do on the engineering team is framed in building a product that will be useful for decades. Local API is a big part of that and is important to us, especially the energy nerds on our team who have a SPAN Panel and want to integrate it into their own home automation systems.
The other thing a friend pointed out is that the Span panel doesn’t retain its switch state across power outages. Is that correct?
@@OriginalJetForMe It uses latching relays and can sense the current relay state, so by default a full power off (rare as those are with storage) doesn’t turn anything on or off.
@@Grymac That is good news, as I am getting a Span panel installed next week as an addition to my solar install. As a big Home Assistant nerd an open and local API is essential for proper home management. There are way too many stories of servers suddenly being turned off and devices just stop working or responding, if Span goes out of business today it would be little more than a regular panel with a pointless computer and relay system behind it.
Is there a timeline when local access would be available, and would your team work to have an open API for Home Assistant integration?
I still like the Genny panel. It was $200 installed (electrician doing final connections), I have most of my breakers feeding through it and manually control what gets fed when power is out. I am the 'smart interface'. I know what is there, I have 2 spare breakers in event of a failure, I can swap in or out what my alternate power source is, etc. I watched the episode and replacement follow-up episode where Rich placed and replaced the Hot Water heating source because it failed, and the company had gone out of business. I learned a valuable lesson. Stick to standard parts, easily replaceable, not something that can be destroyed by the inevitable lightning strike.
I could not agree more.
If the system would work it would be nice, but the added failure points that are not easily able to be bypassed make me highly apprehensive.
For most of the country if you lose power you are also going to lose Internet which most likely would hinder your control of the system assuming it didn't fail 5 years after you put in it when you really need it.
@@tmx1911 Yep, for the first time this year, in a 30 minute outage, our internet feed also failed (cable service). Power was restored at home, but no internet. Would have been bad if there wasn't the ability to control power or systems. (I also have everything internal, no cloud services used)
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The good thing about the smart panel I see is being able to monitor the power drawl. Say your HVAC fan starts working harder because of a dirty filter, you can watch the amp drawl increase and know something is wrong.if the smart board ever gets hacked or one of the relays fails you can always straight connect it and bypass the board. No sweat, and the added flexibility is a nice bonus. I like it.
@@jeremiahfoster5810 ... HVAC fan draws LESS when filters are dirty because the fan moves LESS air. BTW, DRAWL = an accent.
I'm in the process of installing the second one, "Span Panel" in my 50 year old townhouse. Installation will be about $1500. Part of that will get help from fed tax credits as tax people have already confirmed qualifies under IRA (2022), for max of $600. With my PV and batteries, I think this will make a significant difference.
Very entertaining video. Glad to see it at the start of the day
Very helpful video. Thank you.
Thanks for the video it's great
This is amazing. gotta look into this
I'm concerned the first retrofit panel had no actual circuits to reset manually. How do you reset it when the circuit running the wifi trips?
Installed the Leviton Smart Panel and Breakers in our Off-Grid Home to help monitor usage. Wish it had the real time usage though. It only shows totals for different periods of time. I can turn the breakers off but not on.
UPDATE: the Leviton ap updated recently and now does show real time usage in Watts. I say realtime but is delayed around 60 seconds but stil better than nothing.
Which I trust as more of a safety feature. I'd much rather have to go manually re-energize a circuit then have it show on, but need the software to activate another part.
Nice material presented in this video.
Great concept
thanks for the video
Nice video!
Great video
Great video!
Great concept. Also
instructive video
Very interesting video.
great video
Ok! Nice things. Thanks.
Very interesting video
Interesting video.
very interesting video...
Nice panels, nice video
Can I use this as an electric reader for a 3 unit single family home that has 3 sub panels but one main panel (one electric bill) to bill back per unit for the electrical use?
Thanks for the video
It is very interesting!
thank you for the video
Долго искал эту информацию, спасибо, что поделился, отличное видео
very nice video
Intrsting video...i like it
Good job
Good to see
I was hoping to see the innards of the fancy panel.
Nice video
excellent
Very good
Very interesting
Cool video
Do any of these smart panels have an integrated display where you can do manual adjustments in the events an app goes down?
Great concept.
Super nice
Very useful information
good video
nice video very
Thank you.
What can we turn off with this system that we can't just turn off at point of use? Hot water heater? Furnace? Air conditioner?
nice video
very good
Good project
Cool!
very useful and interesting video
Definitely an interesting product.
I appreciate you mention the cost of this equipment, but you glossed over the 'plus installation' part. It is also useful to have an idea of that cost as well. I know 'your mileage may vary' and all that stuff, but there has to be at least a minimum dollar figure that should be mentioned for installation.
Also, how is all this sensitive electronic equipment protected from power surges and lightning? Does it come with a massive surge protector in front of it? Can you even get one that will protect something this large. And the cost of that please.
Very interesting technology and something I would consider.
If you have ever gotten multiple quotes from independent contractors, the installation price is IMPOSSIBLE to predict at a local level, let along a national level.
Big increase in complexity, headaches trying to replace that custom control board 25 years from now, difficulties with phone apps not being updated when a company goes out of business, I can almost guarantee subpar/outsourced software where security is tenth priority, meaning a remote attack could start flipping your circuit breakers- all for a slight improvement in functionality where you can monitor control circuits via a phone app. I'm an electrical engineer who loves technology when it makes sense- this really doesn't seem like a good idea for stuff you want to work for the next several decades. Hard pass.
I really wish this video had touched on more of the tradeoffs and considerations instead of just being a showcase for the latest gadget to hit the market.
Very valid points here
@@2024301 It makes more sense to have outlets or the appliances have the smart tech. Having it built into an electrical panel sounds like a huge issue when a company decides to end of life support for it.
Or this might be all local control a la be able to fold into home assistant.
Over the air updates (OTA) solves this and improves everytime engineers discover a new idea / fix
@@twentystwentythree ota is awful. The last thing I want is my appliance auto updating to some doofy intern code that was pushed accidentally and now my system is bricked. Also ota doesn't matter if there's no company to push it.
good project
Very interising site, video. Okey, like
Thanks to the author for the video
I'm somewhat warry of having my home tech linked to the internet, wireless or apps. because they can be turned off by the company in question, have the data stolen or even get hacked.
yeah but they still have to break in through your wi-fi to "get in" right
@@awaara24 depends if your system is connected to the outside internet or not. because then someone could hack in from any place if they really wanted to. or steal your data from whichever company service your using.
Yeah, were there is a will. There is a way for someone. Not matter what it is, this is a old true saying.
@@awaara24 If you are controlling and looking at stuff through a phone app, that's almost surely not true.
Or ten years later, the company goes bust, the app goes dark, and you're SOL.
nice invention
GooD brooo!
SUPER!!!///
Good, very good
KISS ... Keep It Simple & Straightforward ... so anyone can fix it, not just the original installer.
Great concept. Also, think about if we had wireless electricity which really different from solar energy.
Good luck!
Nice
Спасибо
I looked with interest.
That's useful
respect
I would highly recommend🤩
Wow, perfect timing! The day I decided to search for "smart panel critical loads" was the same day this video was published. Must be a sign!
very good nice
Great information thanks guys
everything is very interesting
As always, it's nice to watch your video, thank you for your efforts, I'm waiting for new releases
I'm sure everything works as planned except for when the board fails, app fails, etc... Unless you absolutely need a smart panel I would stay conventional. You can easily control it yourself and it's easy to troubleshoot.
Yup. And a $2k installation. Cheaper just to leave everything on. lol.
I wish this existed in a way where it was still useful off the internet. We don’t know if this company is going to be around for 30 years, providing software support for this panel.
Leviton has a similar panel. They use smart breakers that can be monitored and controlled by a hub. If a breaker fails you replace it in less than 10 minutes. If the hub breaks you replace it. This all in one smart panel looks to be a pain to fix.
@gdubb420gw You sound like a kid that doesn't consider the overall reliability of anything. That's cute.
Start getting fancy and everything goes to shits!
Cool😍😍😍
An entertaining and positive presentation of the new product, bravo!
Recommended protection , lightning, over voltage, under voltage, ect.
So what if the grid goes down your cell phone has nothing to connect to how do you control the loads in your house? If you have a Wi-Fi system in your home, but that Wi-Fi system has nothing to connect to does your phone become operative? Does a smart panel, shut off?
Cool
You can monitor the power through them,
It's cool
nice
Very interesting, informative... Thanks!👌
An entertaining and positive presentation of the new product, bravo
Great concept. Also, think about if we had wireless electricity which really different from solar energy. !
Good
Definitely an interesting product, but I would only consider it if it allowed local control + API, so I can either control it from my phone manually without internet access and tie it in to my existing automation system.
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Automated controls are the future definite an interesting product.
You can tell Ross is Richard's son only by his moves and the way he explains things.
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Class
It's cool for sure, but I question the return on investment and the security. Seems like you could control your circuits just as easily by manually flipping circuit breakers and using a generator interlock, or a suicide cord back feeding into your welder/electric dryer. Obviously, some folks would prefer a safer alternative, like the generator interlock. I bought my interlock kit on amazon for $80 and installed it myself in about an hour. Cool stuff, but just doesn't seem practical in my eyes.
technology is very good
Kool!