Why the International Date Line Looks So Stupid
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I am retired USAF. I left Japan around noon, flew back to the States. My mother in law asked when did I leave. I looked at the clock on the wall and replied, "In about 20 minutes." I love ttime travel.
xD
Lol love it
Man you are abusing the system at this point 😂
We need to patch this glitch
You dont time travel u just follow time that some people set up bcs of time and land greed ur time is just broken u "time traveled" 1 day but u just muved 1 hour apart in reality u basicly dont time travel, basicly the other land have theyr days set 1 day infront in the same time bcs u cant time travel its the same daylight in there just set at 1 day infront wich is not true its still the other day ur just being lied that its 1 day infront so the country can trade easly with those iselands and countrys
Two things that need to be mentioned:
1. When Alaska was transferred from Russia to the US, it didn't go back 1 day, it went forward by 11 days! That's because Russia still used the Julian Calendar at the time, which was 12 days behind the Gregorian Calendar at that time. So at the time of the ceremony, the date moved 11 days forward (12 days from the difference in calendars minus 1 due to the change in the IDL) from October 7, 1867 to October 18, 1867.
2. The setting up of time zones and the IDL were not just the result of shipping schedules, but also train schedules. Until time zones were implemented by the conference mentioned in the video, every settlement had its own time zone, determined by its local solar noon. This meant there were effectively 1440 mini time zones around the world, one for each minute. Before fast travel by trains, instantaneous communication by telegraph, and precision time keeping devices, this didn't matter much since who cared if you lost a minute walking an hour to the nearest town. But with train schedules set to local noon, they were a mess to try to navigate, especially when some train companies set their schedules by their main hub city's local noon (which would often conflict with the stations' local noons, and the schedules of other companies who were based out of different cities with a different local noons). Thus the hourly time zones (and the IDL) were created to put a stop to all chaos and standardize things to a much simpler 24 time zones to keep track of.
Your comment is fascinating, thanks for sharing that!
Once again, Russia finds a way to screw it up for everyone.
All these nonsense gives me a headache and 🤦
@@Lovehandle1339get a better head
To which i didn't ask except for Nerds
Yeah that time travel feeling is ridiculous. Every time I visited my home in NYC from Japan, I'd fly 12-14hrs and arrive in NYC at about the same time on the same day that I left Tokyo. It was absolute havoc on my circadian rhythms
And physicists say time travel is impossible
When a group of friends and I planned a trip to Japan we tried to plan around the whole time difference. It looks okay on paper but doing the actual transition is a struggle.
I find that weed is good to get you back in rhythm. If you go to bed really high, you feel so refreshed after waking up.
Taking a 12 hour flight anywhere will do that to you. The whole date line thing is just nuts.
I lived in Japan for a few years and when traveling to the USA I would stay up most of the night the day before my flight and wake up at 5am to leave for the airport. I would then sleep almost the entire plan ride there and wake up like it was a new day. I have always been really good at sleeping especially on planes so ymmv.
On Dec 24, 2005 my wife and I left San Francisco, CA. We landed in Manila, Philippines on Dec 26, 2005. It was a year without a Christmas.
The Year Without A Summer 2: The Sequel
I like these super informative videos that aren't just discussing death and destruction. I think a good mix of these two types of videos really works well
the North Korea video about people not being able to escape was legit soul crushing
its one thing to live in horrible conditions but being able to take a risk and flee
its another that you can't even escape it, its so final
@@Ar1AnX1x Yup, I am thankful i was not born in that country
Arguably these are still about death and destruction because all of these decisions are a result of killing and subjugating native peoples. This is like the book-keeping side of brutal imperialism.
Agreed. I was getting bored of them
I also find that real life lore determines outcomes and predictions to what would happen based on current situations, it’s good to know what another point of view because other people just typically say the knowledge without any theories or based ideas.
The fact that these countries deleted weekends and not a business day, must have really sucked for residents.
Samoa deleted a Friday and fully compensated everyone for the pay they would have missed out on. It’s at 22:45
Not when your job is making rum
Avarage weekend out of school.
Plenty of establishments are open 7 days a week
It's all about the economy.
Individual timezone lines are a lot weirder, though usually for the same reasons. Like China being all in a single timezone, or Russia stretching some of them a bit. There are also small places like Nepal which have 15-minute offsets.
China should go back to time zones, it is ridiculous for the west to be the same time as Beijing and Shanghai
@@danielzhang1916 well, not necessarily. It's only ridiculous if they start the workday at the same time everywhere. I wouldn't actually mind if all the world was in one timezone and what we call timezones now became just zones of different time for starting a default workday. I think it would make things a lot simpler.
@@dsvechnikovThat's essentially what UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) is. For example, I currently live in AEDT which is UTC+11. In my local time it's 4am but if I use UTC, it's 5pm the previous day.
@@dsvechnikovThat's basically how things work in Urumqi. Instead of businesses being open from 8 to 5, they just open from 10 to 7.
@@dsvechnikovAs a programmer, I would LOVE if the world went to one single timezone for the entire planet. Dealing with dates and times are the bane of my freaking existence.
deleting a saturday instead of a monday is just evil
😂😂😂😂
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Then repeating a Monday or a Friday is just pure evil.
It may seem arbitrary and stupid but as goofy as many of these edge cases may seem, it's the only way time zones can work with global trade. Losing 2 days of trade per week with close neighbors is devastating and having a goofy looking line most people never have to think about or look at is a small price to pay for a functioning economy.
yeah, I understand why they chose either side of the date line, Australia and NZ are the biggest regional trade centers in the Pacific, so of course the island nations would switch over their time zone with them
There's no reason that every nation's work week *has* to be Monday through Friday, though.
The video is wrong; they only lose 1 day a week, not 2. (If your Friday is their Saturday, you lose the chance to do business on Friday. Then your Sunday is their Monday - but you wouldn't be working on Sunday in the first place, so counting it as a second day lost is incorrect.)
@@RedXlV Some places don't observe those days. Mostly, the days of the week for work and rest are religious in nature. For Jews, the Sabbath (Saturday) is the day of worship, and therefore a non-workday. For Christians, it's Sunday, and for Muslims, it's Friday. The Western "business world" came up with the Monday through Friday workweek because the modern business and economic model stems from the Western (Judeo-Christian) world. Having Saturday and Sunday off allows for both Christians and Jews to have their day of worship off and also to have a second day off that they can use to get chores done around the home before going back to work. I don't remember how Muslim counties setup their workweek, but since Friday is their holy day, Friday is normally not a workday.
@@skyhawk_4526usually in Muslim countries the weeks is Sunday-saturday and sometimes even Saturday-friday
It's also fun to see a UTC +14 when +12 and -12 should theoratically be the maximum and minimum 😅
Theoratically is a word 🫥🫤
@@TheDarkSide69420 I don't know. It's a word in french, i tried to adapt it in english but maybe it's wrong :)
@TFFTH-cam it's spelled theoretically, so you weren't that far off
i wish it was actually like this
I don’t recognize it
China originally had 5 time zones, from 5-10 hours ahead of GMT or GMT +5 -> +10, but then in the 1986 it was decided to make it only one that follows the Beijing Standard time, which is GMT +8. Which means that if you walk from the westernmost point of the country over to Afghanistan at 8am, you will reach the other side at 4:30am.
Do businesses adjust their hours of operation accordingly? It would be awful to have your daily schedule that disjointed from the sun. Imagine your entire life having to go to work at 8am (3am) or to bed at 10pm (5pm) because Beijing didn't want to deal with time zones
UTC, UTC +10, UTC +8*
India had two, now it's just one
when@@duckpotat9818
@@dylancooper787 India also only has one time zone and yes they do (here atleast).
In the far east, schools and shops start at 7AM instead of 8 in the west for example.
Just for the record, "Kiritimati" is pronounced "Christmas." It's actually a direct transliteration of the word "Christmas" in Gilbertese, where "ti" and "si" are the same sound.
At this point I think he does it on purpose, he's always done the "kiri-t-somehing" in his videos. I really really hope it's some inside joke, and not ignorance after being corrected so many times
@@notscenerobhe did at least get "Kiribati" correct.
real shit?
Yeah, the place is probably better known as "Christmas Island". Named for James Cook's visit on December 24, 1777.
Damn, we got the Easter Islands, the Christmas Islands, and I guess the Ireland Island for the leprechauns. What next, Thanksgiving Island (if that is already a thing I will shriek)?
Fun fact. When flying Qantas... up until too many Karen's started complaining in the late 90's, most of their pilots deliberately climbed 500ft, then decended 500ft when crossing the Date Line as a joke... calling it a speed bump as they crossed the pacific.
Sounds hilarious haha
Yes, I remember a Qantas pilot announcing that we may feel a bump because we were about to fly across the equator.
Some people really need to lighten up
Altitude change of 500ft sounds like it's not thw whole story, maybe it have something to do with their angle of approach? Or maybe the ATC that doesn't want extra work?
😂😂
In 1994 I went to 2 new years parties with 2 separate countdowns. One in Beijing and one in Houston. That was a unique couple of days. I was literally a "time traveler" :)
Absolutely no chance of me coming into work on that Monday after they stole my Saturday away from me😂
As soon as it was said my first thought was I'd be passed lol
I honestly think that this video was a breath of fresh air after all the geopolitical videos on this channel.
Geopolitically, there are a great number of things that also look stupid.
I honestly think the decision not to cover recent events is because there's not a broadly accepted narrative yet and RLL wants ad revenue.
@@rithessabingo
@@rithessa This is literally his job
this is definitely still a geopolitical video, just not a hyper contraversial one
Today's Fact: In 1977, a plane crashed into a plane carrying the wife of the Yugoslavian ambassador to the United States; both survived the crash, but both had previously been involved in a plane crash in 1972.
same
Another from fact TNT: about 3% of Antarctic ice is penguin urine.
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@@titan9259dang
I love the timing of this video. Just crossed the date line on a ship and I'm experiencing my second Monday, November 6 right now.
thats wild
Must’ve been rough bro
As a Filipino, I now know where the concept of "Filipino time" comes from. Thank you, RealLifeLore.
Plane Always Late aka Philippine Air Line
Nice one, kabayan 😂
The international date line. One part of the line looks ether a gun with a weird attachment or a hammer. 0:02
the worst part about being a nebula supporter is seeing your favorite channels upload and then realizing you saw the video like a week before
Must be the international nebula line 😮
@@PrepareToDie0 well played ❤🔥❤🔥
Fr? They just upload the same video?
@@tigerwoods373 As I understand it, for some nebula stuff its not an exclusive but just you get to see it earlier
Suffering from success
Growing up in the Maritimes, we always joked around saying that if the world ended at 8pm, it would end at 8:30pm in Newfoundland. Not sure why the Atlantic time zone got split up like that but I remember that province trying a more extreme time zone change but it did not work so they switched it back.
Newfoundland is an entirely different planet
I also commented on half hour time zones. There are others scattered around the world.
1:54 The Line Islands (Kiribati) are *_an entire 24 hours ahead_* of Hawaii, not behind.
6:54 Really, Greenwhich?
22:00 Assuming a Mon-Fri working week, they had *_four_* common business days per week, not just three: Mon-Thu in Samoa, i.e. Tue-Fri in Australia.
23:29 American Samoa is *_20+ hours behind_* Sydney and its neighbouring independent Samoa, not ahead.
Also "antimeridian", not "ante meridian", which he seems to be confusing with "ante meridiem" which we normally just abbreviate A.M. and means the times before noon
You could give probably give a billion more. RLL quality is generally quite low, I would consider this channel to be more entertainment, rather than the high quality informational kind.
He pronounced Kiribati correctly, then got Pago Pago wrong. It's pronounced "pango pango".
it's why RLL is called budget wendover
@@avishjha4030his move higher quality videos are on nebula tbh
18:16 I remember at the time the Kiribati government also made a big deal of the tourism potential, for those who wanted to be the very first to celebrate the new millennium.
PS, the “ti” is pronounced close to “s”. Kiritimati is the closest you can get in the local language to “Christmas”. Named so because captain Cook visited the island on Christmas eve. The name of the country “Kiribati” is the local rendering of “Gilbert”.
Did Cook really visit on Christmas eve or was he actually a day early by today's standards?
@@MrCho14 I was just repeating the story, I’m afraid.
@@joedellinger9437 Mine was a joke. Given that the date line has changed over the years, maybe it wasn't actually the day he thought it was. Or maybe it was the at the time but is no longer.
This has to be one of the most fascinating real-life board game scenarios I ever heard of. I'm even more amazed the entire planet decided on the date line to begin with. How were the countries informed of meeting? That's a movie I would actually like to watch.
0:30 and this is why Superman is able to travel backwards in time
Can't believe RLL missed the even more bonkers Alaska fact, that it changed calendars as well, so jumped ahead 12 days while repeating the day of the week.
second Tuesday always hits funny
Random story: A now-deceased relative of mine used to tell about how in Christmas of 1944 back in WWII his ship was near the international date line. They were allowed to sail such that they had Christmas 2 days in a row.
Why would they want to celebrate a fake birthday of a child of a mass murderer twice?
The US military reacted to Kwajalein Atoll being moved across the date line by changing the workweek to be Tuesday through Saturday, in order to align with the workweek at headquarters in the US. The weekend in Kwaj is now Sunday and Monday.
I'm from the US but I lived in Australia for a few years. When you fly from Sydney back to LA you leave Sydney around 10:00 a.m. but you arrive in LA around 7:00 a.m. which is 3 hours before you left.
That's great time management. It's a pity that it feels like someone has hit you with a brick, due to jetlag.
@@simoncrooke1644 I thought that direction was actually okay. Especially if I managed to get four or five hours of sleep in towards the end of it because then it was like waking up to a new day, except it was the same day. Doing that trip with a layover in Honolulu, on the other hand, was terrible. It destroyed me. And going in the other direction usually took me four to five days to catch up.
Man, if you think it's hard to handle daylight savings time, losing an entire day while your territory hops over the international date line must be a trip.
I like daylight saving time especially going back an hour in fall. I don't see why people don't. I used to love going out drinking and 2am hits but it's actually 1am and you get another hour of fun!
@@tigerwoods373 Because it’s silly and pointless and annoying and stupid. There’s no point to it, and it just confuses everyone.
Yeah, just put it in the middle and never do it again
@@tigerwoods373 I hate it since it get's dark at like 5 pm
More than that though I just hate Winter, that just exacerbates it
@@I.No. If it weren't for my Gma going to the hospital on Saturday and having to meet my parents on Sunday to visit, I would've gone to work a whole hour early since our meeting time was so confused due to that hour gap
I love these lines on maps topics! Please keep it up!
My question is why didn’t Kiribati move the date line to the west? Since the majority of their islands are east of the true date line, you’d think it would be much less confusing that way
Business with Australia.
Perhaps moving day back can cause all sort of administrative problems.
Imagine being born in a day a living the same day too.
@@Alpha-vb3toIsn't that easier? Instead of deleting/skipping a day, you just double it
@@Peterwhy And New Zealand.
@@aepokkvulpex I don't know about the past. But i know about modern administration and software, They all will go crazy.
We didnt change to driving on the left hand side, its always been that way down here (Aus, NZ). As British Colonies we, just by default, drove on the left. Enjoyed the video, thanks for explaining.
Thanks for making this video! Was discussing the existence of the IDL just a few days ago with my younger brother after having flown back to the U.S. from Tokyo. Funny how a single line can be so enigmatic to the human mind yet intuitive on paper.
I actually missed these types of videos from him. Especially when he used Toyota Corollas as a unit of measurement.
So do I.
Same. Im least interested in war and geo-politics related videos but love these kind of videos.
12:18 The Alaska handover was on Friday 6th October, followed by Friday 18th October. Alaska switched from Julian to Gregorian Calendars at the same time.
At 2:50, Kiritimati should be pronounced more like 'Kirismas'. In the local language (Gilbertese, ti is pronounced like s. This is the same reason the country is spelled Kiribati but pronounced 'Kiribas'. Kiritimati is also called Christmas Island (no not that one) because Kiritimati is how you would say Christmas in Gilbertese. On a similar note, Kiribati is how you say Gilbert in Gilbertese (no points for guessing which country the Gilbert Islands are in)
Bro imagine if someone named Gilbert read this
Bro imagine if someone named Kiribati read this
Bro imagine if named Kiribati someone this read@@Chupakka
The Earth doesn't rotate "counterclockwise." As a 3-dimensional sphere, the direction of rotation depends on your vantage point. When looking from a vantage point above the north pole, the rotation indeed appears counterclockwise. However, when looking from a point above the south pole, the rotation appears clockwise.
22:00 The difference between Samoa and New Zealand was 2 business days every week, but they still had a 4 day overlap, not three. Monday to Friday and Tuesday to Saturday overlap by Tuesday through Friday.
The statement in the video is the same as saying that while the Samoans were still working on Friday; The New Zealanders were off enjoying their weekend, and by the time that the Samoans were at Church on Sunday, the New Zealanders were already at work, missing out on two of their days off aligning, leaving them with no shared weekends.
i aint reading all that but im happy for you, or sorry that happened.
@@stephaniefernandez2383thanks for making the internet a better place
The ante meridian was chosen as the location for the international dateline simply because it doesn't pass through much land. The important part is that we have a date line, but the location doesn't matter for any reasons other than politics and convenience. You could put the date line anywhere on Earth and the date calculations would still work just fine. The only mathematical criteria it needs to satisfy are: The line needs to be entirely on the Earth's surface (not through the center of the Earth or in outer space), the line must terminate at each of the poles, and the line can't contain any loops (must not cross any point more than once).
You could actually allow loops in the line if you don't mind making the math more complicated. That would be an interesting thing for @standupmaths to explore.
Nonsense..
The international dateline is European centric and therefore racist, and is dumb for that reason and others. As per the history of human migration and because more people actually live in the middle of the Pacific, the dateline should actually be in the Atlantic, where it's only kink would be a diagonal portion between Greenland and Iceland.
I say this as a white person who lives in "the first "city" to see the sun", knowing we would lose that "claim to fame" if the more intellectually sound dateline were adopted.
@@AholeAtheist "more people actually live in the middle of the Pacific"?
Compared with where?
@@Peterwhy Than the Atlantic. Obviously. LOL
@@AholeAtheist ... so the observatory of time would be in the middle of the Australian desert. Got it.
To be fair, there is an US intelligence base in the middle of Australia (Alice Springs) so I guess that could work.
@@Peterwhy OMG, right? There are flights over the Pacific where, depending on location and time, the nearest other humans are actually on the International Space Station.
I imagine that switching which lanes people drive in Samoa was a nightmare. It wouldn’t work with existing vehicles because they’d all now have massive blind spots, and you’d of course have to update all the signage.
of course, the signage
They switched over in large part because they got most cars from countries where they drive on the left (RHD). So by also driving on the left instead of the right they solved those blind spot issues.
Burma / Myanmar was the same but went from driving on the left to driving on the right but were too poor to replace any of their vehicles for many years. So they were driving beaten up rhd vehicles on the wrong side of the road . Can't have been very convenient.
0:20 does this mean that if I go around the world in less than 24h, that I can either go back in time or into the future?🤯
my mind is blown
I flew from Tokyo to Los Angeles on my birthday, but landed a few minutes before my birthday day, so did i celebrate my birthday twice in the same year?
Noted: if you want to time travel, just cross the International date line. It is mechanically and indefinitely set to either +1 day (going west) or -1 day (going east).
Thanks for the information pertaining to time travel. Now I'm totally confused 😕.
Fun fact: Kiritimati Island in Kiribati (UTC +14) is pronounced differently than posted here. The ti diphthong is an s sound in Gilbertese making it sound close to the English word Christmas (it's colonial name, Christmas Island).
Blame AI, it does have it's flaws.
All the other timezone segments zig-zag all over the place as well. It just reflects the borders of nations or states. Pretty standard stuff.
The dateline being in the middle of the Pacific is a good idea because it has the lowest human impact. A vast ocean with some very small and sparse islands is better than putting it in an area that is densely populated
I agree, but what I had not realized was that this was just a coincidence from Greenwich just happened to be!
As someone who works on ships (merchant marine) I know this only too well... It broke my excel spreadsheets and hade to code this in, ie one time we had two Jun 1sts and going east miss a whole day. On ships we always try to make this an advantage like have two Sundays or one less week day. I know people who missed their birthday. You notice it more on ships rather than flying.
Around 23:42 and after : the word "ahead" is being used instead of "behind"...regarding American Samoa in relation to Sydney and Independent Samoa...
Every time I flew to China I almost always just skipped sleeping the 1st night due to the Jet lag. I also noticed how much less time (around 3 hours) the flight back to Seattle took due to the earths rotation.
Its really the jetstreams but ya the rotation does help the jetstreams, youre either flying with or against the stream
I'd love to see a video on the transition from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian!
Great video!
I've always thought it was a nice bit of luck how the prime meridian was in almost exactly the spot to make the date line make the most sense
Yes, you're right. I wonder if that wasn't also a factor in choosing Greenwich. Can you imagine the complication of using the antimeridien of Berlin?
@@caeruleusvm7621 They would probably put the international date line in the same place anyway. It doesn't really need to be the antimeridian.
@@derpinator4912 It would likely be the date lane, but it is pretty cool how it worked out.
yeah, despite the weird lines, it is in the best possible location overall
@@caeruleusvm7621 Google says the other side would run straight through NZ, that would be weird
@reallifelore @2:00 I believe you mean to say these islands are 24 hours ahead of Hawaii. Not behind.
It's spelled "antimeridian", not "ante meridian". Ante = before. Anti = opposing, i.e. antimeridian - the opposite side to the prime meridian. You may have confused it with "ante meridiem", Latin for "before midday" (AM).
The most amazing thing is how the ante-meridian got established by chance through mostly water.
As complex as it is to accommodate islands, just think how much of a mess it would have to be if it actually went through mostly land, with actual countries with changing borders under it most of the way.
At least now there can be long straight segments that are easy to maintain politically, since most people don't care what day it is in the middle of an ocean.
Technically the Atlantic is also a pretty good place to stick the Date Line. Not a lot of islands there.
@@Appletank8erm.. you forgot St Helena.. and Bermuda and.. The Falkland Islands so.. I don’t see how that could work
@@FastGuy1 I was thinking of a line going down east of Iceland, between the eastern edge of South America and the western edge of Africa. St Helena, Bermuda, and the Falklands are are fairly close to their respective coasts, and therefore won't need massively wiggly lines to cover them. Compared to the islands around the middle of the Pacific, they're a lot further away from that hypothetical line.
Sure there's nothing you can do to avoid a piece of land somewhere that has to add 24 hours by flying west a bit, so this is still arbitrary, but it's not like, especially worse than a line down the Pacific.
@@Appletank8 Yes. But if you think about it i don’t think the UK would want to have the Falkland islands a whole day ahead of London. But still good point. Maybe you could even go a little more west
@@FastGuy1 No? I'm pretty sure a line straight down from Iceland will keep the Falkland Islands on the same side as UK.
It's refreshing to see something that isn't "Why X is smaller than Y". I think you've done those to death recently.
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57 Get a life
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57Ok I won’t.
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57I read your name
Body shaming the international dateline. Smh. I thought we all grew out of bullying
Perish that thought, bullying is alive and well.
"Why the International Date Line Looks So Stupid"
The universal answer to why most things look or are so stupid can be answered with one word. POLITICS.
Thanks for this! We had a discussion on the dinner table about the possibility of shifting back and forth in time by just moving some kilometers to the right or left in the pacific and this video explains this in great detail. Keep up the good work!
I wonder how time is kept at the North Pole and Antarctica? Is there a separate time zone for those places, or wouldn’t somebody at the exact north or south pole be in all 24 time zones at once?
I'm pretty sure that any research stations or expedition sites simply pick which timezone they consider themselves to be in. There's no real reason to maintain actual timezones that close to the poles in regions that are essentially uninhabited. In the same way that nations can draw their own timezone boundaries however they like, whoever is in charge of a station in the antarctic do the same.
@@phiefer3 Coordinating rescues/emergency rendevous in the pole vicinity would be a reason. However it would be simpler to use GMT to coordinate operations close to irregular time zones anywhere on earth.
Sophisticated GPS navigation systems rely on GMT (Greenwhich...) as a fundamental time standard.
*Finally RLL is back with 🌎Geography vids!* 😍
2:36 thats... confusing. Because Samoa isnt behind the international date line, they instead skipped a day in December so they can functionally act like it. This was due to how commerce works. Its harder to trade with Fiji, new Zealand and others if theyre not on the same day.
Thanks for all your hard work putting these videos together, entertaining and informative.
2:02
Correction: Should be ahead, not behind.
Good Guy Samoa, sets up the date line shift to not only make it a 4 day work week but also compensate the people for the day that got skipped.
I see it in the comments; we miss these types of videos! 😢. I love ALL your content, but truly got hooked on your older style vids answering questions we never thought to ask
Thank you for working hard and educating everyone. I am sure you did your best!
I loved it when I went to Canada from Australia and we arrived into Vancouver before we had even left Sydney. Losing a day coming back however sucked and required careful planning on when to leave to make sure we didn't get back a day later than we needed too.
Time travel is real not a farce.
What really screws with my head is: to have there be 3 days simultaneously occurring the middle time zone doesn't need to be at noon, but instead needs to be between 10-11am.
Ideally the international date line would be in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean where there are significantly fewer islands.
But wouldn't you then have to move the meridian from Greenwich?
Then the Americas and Europe will be on different days, making business more impractical.
22:00 wouldn't it be one day
monday->tuesday
tuesday->wednesday
wednesday->thursday
thursday->friday
I flew to Asia from the east coast with an overnight layover in CA. It took 3 calendar days to arrive lol Actual flight time was around 23 hours. On the flight back I arrived the same date that I left.
flight schedules are set so you arrive at a good time (morning/afternoon) at the destination, and they factor in overnight layovers as well, otherwise you would land in Asia in the middle of the night, which doesn't work out
@@danielzhang1916- This isn't true for all flights to Asia. If you're arriving in Central Asia, specifically Uzbekistan, from the US or anywhere east of the region, you're arriving in the middle of the night. I just think Central Asia is in an odd spot when it comes to flights, so the schedule is not as convenient or consistent as flights to East or Southeast Asia.
@@Arri7979 of course, I was mainly referring to East Asia, as the majority of flights go or transit there, Central Asia is in an odd timezone, unless you're flying from Europe or East Asia
@@Arri7979 just did a quick flight search, yes flights would arrive in Uzbekistan in the early morning, probably because any later would affect the flight times, and of course there are no direct flights from the US
@@danielzhang1916 - They recently started a direct flight from Tashkent to New York City, though I haven't taken it and I don't know how frequently that route is offered.
CORRECTION for 22:15 in the video: If two countries are 24 hours apart, don't they have 4 days to do business. It's clear, that one country looses the ability to do business with the other on Friday, and the other looses that ability on Monday, leaving only 3 days unaffected, BUT!!! the country east of the line can do business Monday-Thursday while it's Tuesday-Friday on the other side of the line. That is a full 4 days of doing business!
it all equals out
One thing about time zones is that time is still relative inside of the zone. For example, Montgomery, AL and Amarillo, TX are both in the Central time zone, but sunrise and sunset happen an hour later in Texas than in Alabama.
For the longest time, cities (especially out west in America) just set their clocks to by noon when the sun is the highest in the sky, but that made scheduling trains kind of hard to do! Train lines are what forced the American cities to be more in sync with the time zone.
China, instead of having like 5 different time zones, has one for the entire country. Someone on the east side could be having lunch while the sun is rising on the west side of the country. I've heard that makes planning stuff... difficult.
Goofy ahh line
The line islands mentioned at 2:03 would be 24 hours AHEAD of Hawaii, not behind. Also, Pago Pago is pronounced "pango pango".
Actually 23 hours. He made the same mistake several times in that video. Crossing the line makes a 23 hour difference, not 24.
Flat earthers not gonna like this
The fact that time zones even exist is enough to disprove a flat earth 🌎.
0:43 Bro got my flight details for my trip to japan in the summer almost perfect Just he said January instead of july
I hope Real Life Lore makes a video about the Circassians one day and about the Assyrians soon as well.
The biggest time difference I’ve ever had was flying from LA to Auckland/Sydney. We left late at night on June 20th and arrived in Auckland on June 22. An entire calendar day basically gone from my life. It was weird. Then again, on the return flight from Sydney to LA we repeated that day…but the drastic difference hit me hard the day after I got back 😂
flight schedules are set that way so you arrive at a good time (morning/afternoon) at the destination, that's why you would arrive in SF in the morning and stuff, otherwise you would land in the middle of the night
I genuinely wonder why Kiribati didn't just shift the line to the west of the Gilbert Islands instead of all the way east of the Line Islands. It would be substantially less awkward and confusing
Trade with New Zealand
Trade with Australia and New Zealand.
Kiribati looked to the future and not the past
A fact that most people get wrong: The Millennium didn't start on jan 1, 2000. It actually started Jan 1, 2001! Reason being that there was no "zero" year. It went from 1 b.c. to 1 a.d.
That actually is not right, because you could define a millennium in different ways. If you require a millennium to have a thousand years, you are right. You could also define a millennium by the fourth last digit of the year though. That would make much more sense to me, because then the digits of the year would define the millennium, the century and the decade.
@@skyscraperfanthat's not how that works at all
@@blue9multimediagroup Don't forget that the number "0" did not always exist. When the year numbering system way invented, the zero was still unknown. So looking back we can say that it was a mistake not to give a year the number "0" (another one "0 BC"). It is better to accept that the first millenniums, centuries and decades before and after Christ only had 999, 99 and 9 years than carrying that old mistake over forever.
We also say a day has 24 hours, but one day per year has 25 and another one just 23. If we can handle that, we can also handle a millennium with 999 years.
Just look at the age of human. In your first year your age is "0" and not "1". A many in his twenties is 20 to 29 years old. So the twenties on the calendar should also be 2020 to 2029 and not 2021 to 2030. If we define a decade from 2021 to 2030, we can't call it "twenties". So we would basically have to find new names for all decades.
By they way, the recently discovered the oldest coins ever found on earth. They had the year "721 BC" printed on them 😀.
Ships generally don't change back 24hrs on the dateline exactly, or even do time changes right at time zones. During a given passage you know how much time needs to be gained or lost so you map each time change to a day, it could be something like every other day you change and hour and then you'll add or subtract a day at something during the passage whenever makes sense the most for the pay period
In a couple weeks I will be flying from the Cook Islands to Marshall Islands. I will be crossing the date line 3 times in one journey (& same on the return). Rarotonga- Auckland (+1day), Auckland- Honolulu (-1 day), Honolulu- Majuro (+1 day). Had to double/triple check departure times & arrival times.
You might not know what day it is but I'm you'll have a great trip! I'd love to visit the Pacific!
Love this! In other words, time and date are just societal concepts (that help or hinder depending on perspective) ☺️
What are you going to do, abolish time?
@@therealspeedwagon1451 Haha no need, just a declaration of denouncing it is enough. But it is a great tool under certain circumstances 🙂
Yes and no. The basis for what we consider time and date are not, however the application for that basis (IE, time and date itself) absolutely is. Daylight savings time is a great example of that. And it can be slightly adapted depending on various circumstances. But it really just goes to show that a lot of the facts which we live our lives by can, in theory, be whatever the fuck we want it to be, and how much of it already is.
@@therealspeedwagon1451 I mean, no, because there is no need to abolish time. The current system, while complicated, is generally not an issue. So what would be the need to get rid of it?
@@taiwandxt6493 Exactly! 💯 Thank you for expressing what I meant by "time isn't real" in more elaborate terms lol
Realizing that time is a tool and not a powerful force outside of us, is liberating. That's all I meant by my statement 😁
A long time ago I worked on one of the major datetime libraries. I still have nightmares from all the exclusions and special cases that need to be handled. There are plenty `# Here be dragons` comments in it for a good reason...
Skip to 15:20 to get to the point.
I love random knowledge like this. I remember I used to wonder if there was anything notable/interesting about the point(s) where the equator and Prime Meridian/International Dateline intersect and/or if there were any other interesting intersections of latitude and longitude around the globe.
This will be a perfect video to watch on New Year's Eve.
Why can nobody in any of these videos pronounce Kiribati?
As a programmer, I can't even begin to imagin how hard this was to code/implement, yikes
Just store the UTC offset as the user enters. No need to simulate the map.
When I was little and I looked at the maps of countries I used to think the world was flat because the maps were flat I always wondered if it’s flat there has to be an edge I was never a flat Earther it’s just school maps confused me but when I got older and learned the earth and other planets I was shocked to learn about flat earthers exist i couldn’t believe they believe Hawaii and New Zealand don’t even exist
There are plenty of Flat Earthers 'round the entire globe! 😁
7:50 Imagine calling and setting a date and time about how to fix the broken time system.
"Why are you late?"
"You said 6!"
"Yeah, MY time!"
"Well I only know MY time!"
*other leader walks in*
"Hey guys. I know I'm a day early..."
When I was a kids, I always thought about this, try to wrap my head around this cause it's kinda not make any sense.. I'm glad I'm not the only one 😅 Yeah, kinda stupid and confusing but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do..
The poor international line just got called stupid 😢😢
It’s not stupid, it’s non-conformist.
These are not mutually exclusive
@@Nac626 But one doesn't entail the other either.
It's neither. It's the fact that geography doesn't obey imaginary lines.
It is stupid.
The international dateline is European centric and therefore racist, and is dumb for that reason and others. As per the history of human migration and because more people actually live in the middle of the Pacific, the dateline should actually be in the Atlantic, where it's only kink would be a diagonal portion between Greenland and Iceland.
I say this as a white person who lives in "the first "city" to see the sun", knowing we would lose that "claim to fame" if the more intellectually sound dateline were adopted.
@kingace6186 Human geography does. Natural geography doesn't divide the world into east and west, so the international date line is just as imaginary whether it's straight or not.
Tbh I thought Kiribati was a really small nation with a max of 10 thousand inhabitants. But 120k? Wow I can learn something new every day
Ah, so that's the reason why the dateline looks like a security camera hanging from a window sill spying on South America from the Pacific Ocean.
Hate to be that guy (but not really): you keep referring to the line opposite the prime meridian as "ante meridian". It's actually "antimeridian" (literally: opposite the meridian), you're likely confusing it with "ante meridiem" (literally: before midday) which is where AM comes from.