This is almost exactly the technique that Erik Wilson used on the show Landscapers. It was shot on a portrait mounted Sony Venice with an anamorphic lens on a special 90 degree pinned PL mount. This allowed Erik to get as large an image area as possible for a 16:9 delivery format.
Thank you for your comment. I have a question: what would be the best (budget) way to preview the image in this case. Cause we'd have to turn it 90° before applying the desqueeze on the screen... Thanks in advance!
@@oddmoviez1602 There's not really a budget way of monitoring it accurately, unfortunately. On Landscapers they used AJA ROI boxes between the cameras and the DIT rig, but those are around 1K each.
I've tried this after seeing the Epic Light Media video, I tried to use the applied idea to make a compact system and trying to solve the monitoring problem, I paired my Canon R5 with Helios-44-2 attached to a Kowa replica, and the whole system mounted vertically on Ronin RS3 Pro, the lens is mounted on a tripod mount ring which attracted to 15mm rod system so I can rotate it to get vertical or horizontal anamorphic at any time, accompanied by DJI LiDar range finder, spent countless hours trying to find an affordable monitor that supports vertical de-squeeze, finally I found the Portkeys LH5P which allows you to custom de-squeeze ratio below 1:1, and the result is: 8K Full-frame anamorphic, almost 1:1 ratio footage, full of characteristic, awesome autofocus, and you can operate the whole kit by your self, and it's affordable, the process is fun, and the whole thing is just ridiculous!!!
This is the kind of tinkering I live for! Loved this! If you have one I'd love to see the Sirui 1.25x on it to maybe get close to a 16:9 IMAX sensor rendition!! It would be super soft and have rough vignetting but imagine how cool it would be!!!
I started watching this video on my TV, then switched to my phone... And wow! The difference of the almost 1:1 aspect ratio in playback on TH-cam is amazing in portrait orientation. The video fills more screen and looks larger so I don't feel like I have to watch it in landscape orientation to actually see the details on a smaller screen. Amazing!
So if you keep an anamorphic adapter on the normal orientation and rotate only the camera , you can get a medium format look ??? Need to try this right now !
What a coincidence! Today I was playing with anamorphic scope (2x cinelux) for photos so putting the scope on a tripod mount so I can rotate the camera 90 degrees for 4x3 aspect ratio instead of the native 2x3 portrait mode.
@anamorphic on a budget ...OHHH, THIS, THIS IS GENIOUS!!!! Out of so many reasons! 1. Ideal for VFX "Open Gate" work, you can do crops, camera post shakes, etc.. 2. Ideal for social media, framing intelligently helps with both mobile and tv shots 3. The look doesnt change, because the camera only turns. ... Wait does that mean WE ARE Alexa 65 territory ??? Or what ?😀
I have been experimenting with this with my BMPCC6K and Greatjoy 35 and 50mm. I have the PL/EF mount version. You can rotate the EF mount 90 degrees to get them to work like this. Interesting results so far!
This is a really exciting way to create content in homage to the very high production TV of the old days. Stuff like early Magnum PI and Star Trek TNG that were shot on film
As most shows were on vertical feed 35mm you would not need a full frame lens to begin with. So as long as you have a camera that has the appropriate size open gate sensor you probably could do it without sideways anamorphics already. And, later on, shows shot on 35 transitioned over to s35 in 3 perf so they could save on a third of the film stock while still getting a widescreen friendly image. And we already have lots of s35 sensor cameras that match those sizes pretty reliably.
Thought this when I saw Epic Light Media’s video but I know this is gonna change filming. Love seeing creative new ways to tell a story and this is definitely a ‘look’. Also without the overhead of a medium format digital sensor (file size, hard drive, lens design; cost)
Funny enough, I was just playing around with doing this on my bigass Bausch and Lomb on my Lumix S5. It Is an interesting look, I'm probably gonna use it for something too. Thanks for the video on this!
Hey Tito! Very cool. You asked if we'd done anything like that… I did the opposite, rotating the lens 90˚ to get vertical flares. You can see it in my GH6 Open Gate Nanomorph video. It's fun for sure! So many great options :-) I loved this!
As someone who constantly making contents between cinema horizontal format and social media vertical format, I see this as a big advantage. Turning sideways and recording a wider image helps to crop into all these social media formats, in anamorphic. Wow. I imagine if do this with a m43 open gate it will look like a 2:1 after the squeeze, and if is 16:9 , it will look like 1:1 ? All we need is a PL mount, amazing
I've thought about this for a while with a 16x9 frame and a 1.8 to get as close to a 1x1 (16x16.2). Definitely appreciate the deep dive as it makes it easier to reverse engineer the how. Really enjoyed Joshua Martin's video where the vertical flares really stand out.
This comes down to two factors. 4:3 anamorphic output vs 2.4:1 anamorphic output with a 2x anamorphic lens. The 4:3 output has more resolution since you don't crop any pixels vs the 2.4:1 output which has less resolution because you nearly always have to crop out the extra width to get 2.4:1. Just because you gain more resolution using the full sensor size in portraiture mode without cropping pixels does not mean that it is medium format anamorphic. For this to be anamorphic medium format you would have to use an anamorphic lens that covers a medium format capture area with a camera that has a medium format sensor like the Fuji GFX 50s. To be classified as medium format you would have to record onto a sensor that is larger than 36x24mm FF.
Sirui 2x on a 50 1.4 vertical/sideways look like large format. I've done this on wedding shoots and while the clients themselves don't care, the printers thought I had a medium format digital.
about 5-6 years ago when i was in anamorphic i did developed this idea further and added another 2x anamorphic in equasion to get 2.4:1 ratio from vertical sensor. For a time it has a real purpose to get better rolling shutter, but i didnt like bulkiness of a setup
I've been doing this with a anamorphic adapter since the original A7s was came out. Trying to get square aspect ratio utilizing the whole sensor rather than cropping. It is fun but also for social media applications no one noticed or cared so I slowly stopped. I didn't realize PL mount lenses could be turned 90degrees though!
Amazing! I was trying to convert my Sirui 75mm F1.8 for E-Mount in a similar way: I just rotated the mount 90° ... but I am not sure whether it actually worked. My A7 only shoots in 16:9. The new S5ii sounds awesome with the open gate features, yet I would need to build up a L mount system. well... anyway! Great video. Loved to see that it could work!
This video remembers me a video of the media division channel were they used a mavo lf sideways with spherical lenses in order to achieve a medium format frame but the rig was to big a complex and the idea of shooting anamorphic vertically makes me want to buy a anamorphic lens and try this "hack"
I saw the ELM test a while ago, I think one paart of the image quality difference was that they were using a 12k camera and an Ursa sensor, Ursas seem to give good skin tones and have a softer more organic look already and at 12k the loss of the number of pixels when turned sideways doesn't affect the picture as much as it would on lower-resolution sensors. I find this fascinating as the DOF change seems to give you a bit more of an Arri look, but it could be a placebo effect.
0:10 clean the sensor man, poor thing :( one thing to consider, especially with the FF Pannys, is rolling shutter. Because it can get you some awkward results. You see, while panning you don't get the wiggly lines, but you can get elongated ones. Like the portrait-photo-fails we know from pets, but of course less pronounced.
I KNOW! I've neglected my gear a bunch. I had to move twice in the last month and I'm still putting the pieces back together. :( Rolling shutter is something I totally missed out on this video. Good point there.
I've always thought that this would be the future of mobile cinema. It just makes so much sense as an aspect ratio if you are trying to be as close to square as possible
This is such a cool idea. I wonder if a medium format anamorphic lens(do those even exist) be a way to solve the artifacts on edges without needing to use the super 35 mode. Or potentially is there was a way to use full frame lens with something similar to Sony’s clear image zoom then that could help keep at more of the lens resolving power intact
Awesome! Thanks for showing us this-I never even thought of doing that 👍😃 This is another one I can put in my trick bag! I’m going to try this with my Olympus M4/3 with its built-in cinematic filters. I just gotta figure out which lenses to try. 🤓
I got similar idea lately (kinda). But just to rotate the camera and anamorphic lens to record vertical footage (for vertical platforms). The only problem is I do not have any anamorphic lenses yet :D
guess what! the Z Cam e2 F6 has both vertical 1.8X desqueeze option and horizontal 1.8x desqueeze option to show the right image from the camera, so I already enjoy the MEDIUM FORMAT with Vazen FF 1.8 lens set for a while inspired by your last video
That is exactly what I wanted to achieve with Anamorphot-40 1.33x on Fujifilm X100F... for taking photos anyway. Unfortunately the adapter blocked light along its top and bottom edges cropping my pictures on sides. It made me sad indeed!
What an amazing video! Thank you! What was the lens used on the talking head portion of this video? Also do you know what the 35mm equivalent focal length the great joy 50 works out to in this vertical format? Thank you again!! :)
If you throw a 1.33x adapter on top of this you get damn near 16:10 final output. If you did either this or my proposed addition to an MFT sensor, you'd get 4:3 and 18:10 respectively.
I think there was an article in the american cinematographer (or maybe some other of the cinema industry magazines) about this last year, if I am not mistaking the DP who used this technique even shot a Netflix piece with it but he used a modified mount on the camera. Maybe I can find the article and link it.
haha i waz planning to experiment sth like this too, but now i might stack a scope adapter in front of an anamorphic lens, but make them perpendicular to each other. So we might have to desqueeze in bothX & Y, i m very curious what that may result.
It’s interesting to puta that format now into Instagram’s format. I think the image is very accurate and doesn’t loose the anamorphic look besides the squared aspect. WHERE DID YOU GET THAT 360 LENS ADAPTOR? WOULD YOU PLEASE SHARE THE LINK? Thank you!
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I understand now. The only mount that can be shifted 90 degrees is the PL mount right? Does it exist a MFT 90 degree shifter mount? I have a GH6.
Are you familiar with whether the current line of Sirui anamorphic full frame lenses are capable of being turned sideways like this? And if not do you have any recommendations? I plan to try out a short music video doc like this. I did some successful tests with the new Moment anamorphic adapter on a sony FE 85.14, but focusing is a nightmare, so having a budget friendly anamorphic would be amazing.
I'm not sure they can be turned sideways. The only way to do so would be to reposition their mount by removing the screws, rotating the mount and then hoping all the holes still line up to add the screws back in.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I really appreciate you getting back to me! So would you say the best option would most likely be a Great joy PL mount with an FE to PL mount adapter? The purple adapter you posted about a while back has a new indiegogo campaign to fund the next round right now.
Okay call me crazy but hear me out. I need all you guys to put your heads together and try this experiment. I would if I had the money to spend on all this: Full Frame camera sideways + Medium format vintage lens (like Sekor C) + Medium format speedbooster + 2x Projector anamorphic lens and probably variable diopter up front to focus. I would love to see if that looks crazy!
The main problem is most 2x projector lenses won't be able to cover a medium format lens, which means they'll introduce vignette, and the variable diopter up front will introduce even more vignette. This needs a massive scope to work.
I have thought of trying a 1.33x squeeze lens with a 1.25x squeeze adapter rotated 90⁰. The resulting image woul need to be desqueeze twice along the 2 planes. The result would be sort of like be a 53mp image from my 32mp sensor. I wonder if the double distortion would be too much
anamorphic is not made to pull the image, but made to squash original 4:3, so you will have more quality from that informations pushing and not pulling, cos if you pull you loose quality. More advantage is the panoramic view and aesthetic of the wide screen. The information that you get from the sensor doesn't change. So really... interesting, but why, i don't see real improvements from this, but nice energy :)
It's a little disappointing to think a tool can only be used in one way. The point of anamorphics was to pack more image onto the film plane. This experiment directly relates to that idea.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget of course.. the spirit of testing stuff is always right, and i appreciate it, but sometimes u can find that the thing is wrong, you can test it, but what you get back? 4:3 and an horrible rig? no better quality.. actually have you found something that is better than the classical way? show us the difference in quality, the advantages that you got from that, in this video i don't see it. Don't be disappointed about the fact that i saw your video, i've listened your words and your idea.. i have commented.. so good job :D
Hahaha, not disappointed! I appreciate the discussion! I actually thought this was a pretty weird video, and I didn't put much faith in it, but the comments are most of all positive and inspired, so even if the only "advantage" of this method is convincing people to go out and test weird stuff, I'd consider a win. On the technical side, since the lenses are so slow (T2.9), the potential of the look is compromised. I'll give this another shot soon, with different lenses, and I expect a more interesting result!
Hey, I know this is quite late to the party but anamorphic footage IS meant to be stretched not squashed in height. This technique is totally valid to stretch out the width (now height as the camera is sideways) of the sensor image to reveal a 4:3 format. Quite an interesting look if you ask me. Apart from the awkward monitoring, to have painterly footage with all anamorphic qualities apart from the extreme widescreen is a breath of fresh air, gives the picture loads more breathing room.
Hmmm - so here’s what I have Sony FX3 Helios 44 Kowa 16s Redstan clamp Theoretically the redstan should let me spin the kowa animorphic while the helios stays locked to the camera. Wish me luck - still waiting for the Kowa to arrive from Ukraine
Challenge for everyone: On your next Anamorphic shoot, bring along a standard Sigma Art lens. Do a extra take with the Sigma. Let's see some side by sides and how your anamorphic glass is juicing the image.
Would this work with an anamorphic adapter screwed at 90° to be vertical and tilting (let's say) an XT5 in portrait mode (horizontal adapter + vertical sensor)? I guess my question is more: can an adapter securely fit at 90° of it's supposed placement?
Hey Tito a little suggestion for nice experiment. Can you please try an opengate+2.5x squeeze on this vertical setup . i think if it worked that might create a virtual 64x36 imaging sensor which is crazy.
Since I saw this video I am wondering if I have been doing & calculating things wrong. At 2.11 you say that you multiply the long side of the sensor by 1.8. Say you shoot HD, does this mean that when you edit the footage, you keep 1080 pixels in the short side, and multiply 1920*1.8 to get the right resolution for your edit? Not considering a possible crop to e.g. 2.4:1 that is. I have been deviding the short side by 1.8 so with a 1.8x lens my resolution would become 1920* 600 (not considering a more logical crop). In other words, I always assumed that I cannot deliver a true 4k video when shooting on a 4k 16:9 sensor when using a 1.8x anamorphic lens. The max resolution would become something like 2880x1200 (2160/1.8=1200. 1200x2.4=2880) Help!
Your math is better for image quality. A lot of things in this episode are conceptual and abstract. This is the best tool for figuring out rescales and resolutions: www.tferradans.com/arcalc/go :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I was hoping I could ask you a question if I still have your attention. I just bought the Moment 1.33x adapter, but I'm curious about the new Blazar 1.5x. If you had to choose, which would you pick? Thank you sir!
FoV with a 35mm lens on 3/2 FF is 63 degrees vertical/42 degrees horizontal, multiple by 1.8x u get a 75h/63v degree FoV. which is equivalent to a 28mm on FF. image/blur should look similar to a 28mm f1.6 spherical lens except with extra vertical real estate. or a 24mm f1.4 with sides cropped
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The idea of 4:3 anamorphic seems interesting, the background seperation is absolutdly insane.
the 1st ac is crying rn
This is almost exactly the technique that Erik Wilson used on the show Landscapers. It was shot on a portrait mounted Sony Venice with an anamorphic lens on a special 90 degree pinned PL mount. This allowed Erik to get as large an image area as possible for a 16:9 delivery format.
Thank you for your comment. I have a question: what would be the best (budget) way to preview the image in this case. Cause we'd have to turn it 90° before applying the desqueeze on the screen... Thanks in advance!
@@oddmoviez1602 There's not really a budget way of monitoring it accurately, unfortunately. On Landscapers they used AJA ROI boxes between the cameras and the DIT rig, but those are around 1K each.
I've tried this after seeing the Epic Light Media video, I tried to use the applied idea to make a compact system and trying to solve the monitoring problem, I paired my Canon R5 with Helios-44-2 attached to a Kowa replica, and the whole system mounted vertically on Ronin RS3 Pro, the lens is mounted on a tripod mount ring which attracted to 15mm rod system so I can rotate it to get vertical or horizontal anamorphic at any time, accompanied by DJI LiDar range finder, spent countless hours trying to find an affordable monitor that supports vertical de-squeeze, finally I found the Portkeys LH5P which allows you to custom de-squeeze ratio below 1:1, and the result is: 8K Full-frame anamorphic, almost 1:1 ratio footage, full of characteristic, awesome autofocus, and you can operate the whole kit by your self, and it's affordable, the process is fun, and the whole thing is just ridiculous!!!
This is the kind of tinkering I live for! Loved this! If you have one I'd love to see the Sirui 1.25x on it to maybe get close to a 16:9 IMAX sensor rendition!! It would be super soft and have rough vignetting but imagine how cool it would be!!!
I wanna see this!
I started watching this video on my TV, then switched to my phone... And wow! The difference of the almost 1:1 aspect ratio in playback on TH-cam is amazing in portrait orientation. The video fills more screen and looks larger so I don't feel like I have to watch it in landscape orientation to actually see the details on a smaller screen. Amazing!
Among other applications,
The nearly 1:1 aspect ratio could lend itself to a whole new style of making video for social media platforms
So if you keep an anamorphic adapter on the normal orientation and rotate only the camera , you can get a medium format look ??? Need to try this right now !
What a coincidence! Today I was playing with anamorphic scope (2x cinelux) for photos so putting the scope on a tripod mount so I can rotate the camera 90 degrees for 4x3 aspect ratio instead of the native 2x3 portrait mode.
@anamorphic on a budget ...OHHH, THIS, THIS IS GENIOUS!!!! Out of so many reasons! 1. Ideal for VFX "Open Gate" work, you can do crops, camera post shakes, etc.. 2. Ideal for social media, framing intelligently helps with both mobile and tv shots 3. The look doesnt change, because the camera only turns. ... Wait does that mean WE ARE Alexa 65 territory ??? Or what ?😀
I have been experimenting with this with my BMPCC6K and Greatjoy 35 and 50mm. I have the PL/EF mount version. You can rotate the EF mount 90 degrees to get them to work like this. Interesting results so far!
This is a really exciting way to create content in homage to the very high production TV of the old days. Stuff like early Magnum PI and Star Trek TNG that were shot on film
As most shows were on vertical feed 35mm you would not need a full frame lens to begin with. So as long as you have a camera that has the appropriate size open gate sensor you probably could do it without sideways anamorphics already.
And, later on, shows shot on 35 transitioned over to s35 in 3 perf so they could save on a third of the film stock while still getting a widescreen friendly image. And we already have lots of s35 sensor cameras that match those sizes pretty reliably.
been doing this for a few years now. thanks again for letting me borrow your iscorama a few years ago!
This is an extra cool look. Beautiful work as always Tito!
Thinking outside of the box… wonderful imaginative shooting here. 👍🏻
AMAZING VIDEO!!!!
I’m an anamorphic look fan and I would have never came out on doing these. Thanks for sharing your imagination, I love the look
It gives me vintage vibes I love it
Your creativity and knowledge never disappoints and im 99% a stills shooter.. for now
Thought this when I saw Epic Light Media’s video but I know this is gonna change filming. Love seeing creative new ways to tell a story and this is definitely a ‘look’. Also without the overhead of a medium format digital sensor (file size, hard drive, lens design; cost)
Very cool! Loved this experiment. Gonna have to test something like this out.
Funny enough, I was just playing around with doing this on my bigass Bausch and Lomb on my Lumix S5. It Is an interesting look, I'm probably gonna use it for something too.
Thanks for the video on this!
Hey Tito! Very cool. You asked if we'd done anything like that… I did the opposite, rotating the lens 90˚ to get vertical flares. You can see it in my GH6 Open Gate Nanomorph video. It's fun for sure! So many great options :-) I loved this!
Thanks for chiming in Joseph! Happy to see you're still checking out the channel! :D
As someone who constantly making contents between cinema horizontal format and social media vertical format, I see this as a big advantage. Turning sideways and recording a wider image helps to crop into all these social media formats, in anamorphic. Wow.
I imagine if do this with a m43 open gate it will look like a 2:1 after the squeeze, and if is 16:9 , it will look like 1:1 ?
All we need is a PL mount, amazing
This was freaking amazing thank you so much for this. I actually feel inspired.
Long ago I used two anamorphic lenses with same purpose. Archived medium format 1:1 IMG. Good results
I've thought about this for a while with a 16x9 frame and a 1.8 to get as close to a 1x1 (16x16.2). Definitely appreciate the deep dive as it makes it easier to reverse engineer the how. Really enjoyed Joshua Martin's video where the vertical flares really stand out.
Great use of the open gate and anamorphincs of the s1h
This comes down to two factors. 4:3 anamorphic output vs 2.4:1 anamorphic output with a 2x anamorphic lens.
The 4:3 output has more resolution since you don't crop any pixels vs the 2.4:1 output which has less resolution because you nearly always have to crop out the extra width to get 2.4:1.
Just because you gain more resolution using the full sensor size in portraiture mode without cropping pixels does not mean that it is medium format anamorphic. For this to be anamorphic medium format you would have to use an anamorphic lens that covers a medium format capture area with a camera that has a medium format sensor like the Fuji GFX 50s.
To be classified as medium format you would have to record onto a sensor that is larger than 36x24mm FF.
So fun! Thanks for sharing your learning experience. 😊
So cool Tito. You are such a big inspiration.
This is definitely something I want to give a shot soon!
Such a cool experiment 👌It’s so nice to see a new format
Wow! Awesome idea. Guess, I can rotate the mount of my Sirui 50mm within a few minutes with only a screwdriver.
love idea, i'm looking to make things different for me all the time at i love how u did it. Looks great.
Never ever though about this but very interesting take
10/10 on this video. Big fan
What an interesting experiment, think I will give this a run on my GH model cameras.
Sirui 2x on a 50 1.4 vertical/sideways look like large format. I've done this on wedding shoots and while the clients themselves don't care, the printers thought I had a medium format digital.
Very cool, definitely never seen this!
about 5-6 years ago when i was in anamorphic i did developed this idea further and added another 2x anamorphic in equasion to get 2.4:1 ratio from vertical sensor. For a time it has a real purpose to get better rolling shutter, but i didnt like bulkiness of a setup
Interesting idea 🙌🏼
OMG I just tried this this weekend when I googled vertical anamorphic.
This is such an Awesome look! I’ve seen the other two videos you referenced a while ago and I was hoping other folks would try it out. Great idea! ❤
for me it has an super cool retro look to it! Maybe I need to get some anamorphic lenses....
now THIS, IS EPIC
Nice! Loved the look! Your videos are great btw!
I've been doing this with a anamorphic adapter since the original A7s was came out. Trying to get square aspect ratio utilizing the whole sensor rather than cropping. It is fun but also for social media applications no one noticed or cared so I slowly stopped. I didn't realize PL mount lenses could be turned 90degrees though!
Amazing! I was trying to convert my Sirui 75mm F1.8 for E-Mount in a similar way: I just rotated the mount 90° ... but I am not sure whether it actually worked. My A7 only shoots in 16:9. The new S5ii sounds awesome with the open gate features, yet I would need to build up a L mount system. well... anyway! Great video. Loved to see that it could work!
i've shot a couple of commercials using vertical anamorphic. it works GREAT for social
4:3 anamorphic revolution baby woohoo!
Love this! I know it's not possible but I wish we could've done this with other mount lenses too :(
This video remembers me a video of the media division channel were they used a mavo lf sideways with spherical lenses in order to achieve a medium format frame but the rig was to big a complex and the idea of shooting anamorphic vertically makes me want to buy a anamorphic lens and try this "hack"
I saw the ELM test a while ago, I think one paart of the image quality difference was that they were using a 12k camera and an Ursa sensor, Ursas seem to give good skin tones and have a softer more organic look already and at 12k the loss of the number of pixels when turned sideways doesn't affect the picture as much as it would on lower-resolution sensors.
I find this fascinating as the DOF change seems to give you a bit more of an Arri look, but it could be a placebo effect.
So freaking cool sheeesh
0:10 clean the sensor man, poor thing :(
one thing to consider, especially with the FF Pannys, is rolling shutter. Because it can get you some awkward results.
You see, while panning you don't get the wiggly lines, but you can get elongated ones. Like the portrait-photo-fails we know from pets, but of course less pronounced.
I KNOW! I've neglected my gear a bunch. I had to move twice in the last month and I'm still putting the pieces back together. :(
Rolling shutter is something I totally missed out on this video. Good point there.
I've always thought that this would be the future of mobile cinema. It just makes so much sense as an aspect ratio if you are trying to be as close to square as possible
Finally! Waiting for this.
This is such a cool idea. I wonder if a medium format anamorphic lens(do those even exist) be a way to solve the artifacts on edges without needing to use the super 35 mode. Or potentially is there was a way to use full frame lens with something similar to Sony’s clear image zoom then that could help keep at more of the lens resolving power intact
Awesome! Thanks for showing us this-I never even thought of doing that 👍😃 This is another one I can put in my trick bag! I’m going to try this with my Olympus M4/3 with its built-in cinematic filters. I just gotta figure out which lenses to try. 🤓
WOW!!! Thi t-shirt is from my city. Savador- BAHIA in Brazil!!! Awesome!!! How did you get it? Have you been there? OMG
I am FROM Salvador! hahaha. I was born there and only moved out to SP in 2008. Then to Vancouver in 2014. ;)
this was awesome! and you don't see a lot of 4:3 videos come up on youtube nowadays.
I use the small rig 1.55 and moment 1.33 anamorphic lenses in this format to give a larger sensor vibe on mobile photography. :)
I got similar idea lately (kinda). But just to rotate the camera and anamorphic lens to record vertical footage (for vertical platforms). The only problem is I do not have any anamorphic lenses yet :D
I love this content 2x for life YEAH !!!!!! lol 😂
guess what! the Z Cam e2 F6 has both vertical 1.8X desqueeze option and horizontal 1.8x desqueeze option to show the right image from the camera, so I already enjoy the MEDIUM FORMAT with Vazen FF 1.8 lens set for a while inspired by your last video
That is exactly what I wanted to achieve with Anamorphot-40 1.33x on Fujifilm X100F... for taking photos anyway.
Unfortunately the adapter blocked light along its top and bottom edges cropping my pictures on sides. It made me sad indeed!
What an amazing video! Thank you! What was the lens used on the talking head portion of this video? Also do you know what the 35mm equivalent focal length the great joy 50 works out to in this vertical format? Thank you again!! :)
I used the Great Joy 35mm for the talking head. Not sure if I understood your second question. :(
I see, no worries I figured it out, thank you!!!
this exactly what i've been thinking about, what happen if the anamorphic lens mounted to the other way
Love it.
The interchangeable amounts on the mirrorless Nanomorphs make them pretty easy to mount sideways. I did not discover this intentionally 😆.
Opengate on a Fuji X-H2s would give a square 3:(2*1.5) image. 6240 x 4160 6.2K should make cropping for horizontal and vertical pretty easy.
If you throw a 1.33x adapter on top of this you get damn near 16:10 final output. If you did either this or my proposed addition to an MFT sensor, you'd get 4:3 and 18:10 respectively.
I was actually planning to shoot a short movie like this, and use a global shutter camera (red komodo) eliminate any rolling shutter problems
I think there was an article in the american cinematographer (or maybe some other of the cinema industry magazines) about this last year, if I am not mistaking the DP who used this technique even shot a Netflix piece with it but he used a modified mount on the camera. Maybe I can find the article and link it.
haha i waz planning to experiment sth like this too, but now i might stack a scope adapter in front of an anamorphic lens, but make them perpendicular to each other. So we might have to desqueeze in bothX & Y, i m very curious what that may result.
I’m trying to figure out what I need to do this with a GH5S and sirui 1.8x
i've seen this look before in a movie or two, and im pretty sure they used in some series on netflix
Very cool look & worth trying. At 7:47 what lens did you say Joshua Martin used? The bokeh looks great!
He used a Iscorama 36! :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget thanks!
It’s interesting to puta that format now into Instagram’s format. I think the image is very accurate and doesn’t loose the anamorphic look besides the squared aspect. WHERE DID YOU GET THAT 360 LENS ADAPTOR? WOULD YOU PLEASE SHARE THE LINK? Thank you!
What 360 lens adapter?
@@AnamorphicOnABudget the blue one you used to turn the lens over its axis. It’s in the video :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I understand now. The only mount that can be shifted 90 degrees is the PL mount right? Does it exist a MFT 90 degree shifter mount? I have a GH6.
Are you familiar with whether the current line of Sirui anamorphic full frame lenses are capable of being turned sideways like this? And if not do you have any recommendations? I plan to try out a short music video doc like this. I did some successful tests with the new Moment anamorphic adapter on a sony FE 85.14, but focusing is a nightmare, so having a budget friendly anamorphic would be amazing.
I'm not sure they can be turned sideways. The only way to do so would be to reposition their mount by removing the screws, rotating the mount and then hoping all the holes still line up to add the screws back in.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I really appreciate you getting back to me! So would you say the best option would most likely be a Great joy PL mount with an FE to PL mount adapter? The purple adapter you posted about a while back has a new indiegogo campaign to fund the next round right now.
Yeah, I'd say PL is the safest bet for this rotating experiment!
Okay call me crazy but hear me out.
I need all you guys to put your heads together and try this experiment. I would if I had the money to spend on all this:
Full Frame camera sideways + Medium format vintage lens (like Sekor C) + Medium format speedbooster + 2x Projector anamorphic lens and probably variable diopter up front to focus.
I would love to see if that looks crazy!
The main problem is most 2x projector lenses won't be able to cover a medium format lens, which means they'll introduce vignette, and the variable diopter up front will introduce even more vignette. This needs a massive scope to work.
Try the Mercury Atlas on medium format. I was shocked by how these lenses behave on the medium format.
do they cover medium format sensors?
I have thought of trying a 1.33x squeeze lens with a 1.25x squeeze adapter rotated 90⁰. The resulting image woul need to be desqueeze twice along the 2 planes. The result would be sort of like be a 53mp image from my 32mp sensor. I wonder
if the double distortion would be too much
anamorphic is not made to pull the image, but made to squash original 4:3, so you will have more quality from that informations pushing and not pulling, cos if you pull you loose quality. More advantage is the panoramic view and aesthetic of the wide screen. The information that you get from the sensor doesn't change. So really... interesting, but why, i don't see real improvements from this, but nice energy :)
It's a little disappointing to think a tool can only be used in one way. The point of anamorphics was to pack more image onto the film plane. This experiment directly relates to that idea.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget of course.. the spirit of testing stuff is always right, and i appreciate it, but sometimes u can find that the thing is wrong, you can test it, but what you get back? 4:3 and an horrible rig? no better quality.. actually have you found something that is better than the classical way? show us the difference in quality, the advantages that you got from that, in this video i don't see it. Don't be disappointed about the fact that i saw your video, i've listened your words and your idea.. i have commented.. so good job :D
Hahaha, not disappointed! I appreciate the discussion! I actually thought this was a pretty weird video, and I didn't put much faith in it, but the comments are most of all positive and inspired, so even if the only "advantage" of this method is convincing people to go out and test weird stuff, I'd consider a win.
On the technical side, since the lenses are so slow (T2.9), the potential of the look is compromised. I'll give this another shot soon, with different lenses, and I expect a more interesting result!
@@AnamorphicOnABudget actually i love to see your stuff mate, great job.
Hey, I know this is quite late to the party but anamorphic footage IS meant to be stretched not squashed in height.
This technique is totally valid to stretch out the width (now height as the camera is sideways) of the sensor image to reveal a 4:3 format. Quite an interesting look if you ask me. Apart from the awkward monitoring, to have painterly footage with all anamorphic qualities apart from the extreme widescreen is a breath of fresh air, gives the picture loads more breathing room.
I challenge you to make a short short video with whatever anamorphic lens it can fit. 🙃
After 6 minutes : Why I am still here instead of editing my client video ?! 🤣
Hmmm - so here’s what I have
Sony FX3
Helios 44
Kowa 16s
Redstan clamp
Theoretically the redstan should let me spin the kowa animorphic while the helios stays locked to the camera.
Wish me luck - still waiting for the Kowa to arrive from Ukraine
this is the only thing keeping the price of the s1h up
Challenge for everyone: On your next Anamorphic shoot, bring along a standard Sigma Art lens. Do a extra take with the Sigma. Let's see some side by sides and how your anamorphic glass is juicing the image.
Hi Ive got the great Joy 35 mm are there any ways to attach it to the Cannon 5D as the protrusion does not allow the EF mount connect ?
Would this work with an anamorphic adapter screwed at 90° to be vertical and tilting (let's say) an XT5 in portrait mode (horizontal adapter + vertical sensor)? I guess my question is more: can an adapter securely fit at 90° of it's supposed placement?
Yes to all of the questions.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget thanks you so much for the quick response, and thank you soooo much for all the great work you put out for us (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤
Hey Tito a little suggestion for nice experiment. Can you please try an opengate+2.5x squeeze on this vertical setup . i think if it worked that might create a virtual 64x36 imaging sensor which is crazy.
I'm willing to try if you can point me to a good and reliable 2.5x squeeze setup.
I have a fuji GFX100s, will a full frame anamorphic lens work on a medium format (4433) camera?
Some lenses, like the Vazen full frame, will!
Since I saw this video I am wondering if I have been doing & calculating things wrong. At 2.11 you say that you multiply the long side of the sensor by 1.8. Say you shoot HD, does this mean that when you edit the footage, you keep 1080 pixels in the short side, and multiply 1920*1.8 to get the right resolution for your edit? Not considering a possible crop to e.g. 2.4:1 that is. I have been deviding the short side by 1.8 so with a 1.8x lens my resolution would become 1920* 600 (not considering a more logical crop).
In other words, I always assumed that I cannot deliver a true 4k video when shooting on a 4k 16:9 sensor when using a 1.8x anamorphic lens. The max resolution would become something like 2880x1200 (2160/1.8=1200. 1200x2.4=2880)
Help!
Your math is better for image quality. A lot of things in this episode are conceptual and abstract. This is the best tool for figuring out rescales and resolutions: www.tferradans.com/arcalc/go :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Awesome, Thank you!
Before clicking on your video I though, “That would just make a square format - why would you use that for cinema?” But what would I know!?
What is that purple mount you have on your camera allowing the lens to be turned?
the mount itself is just a PL mount, which has four different ways to mount the lens. this one in particular is the POCO adapter. :)
Combining a 2x lens, with a 2x rear vertically could give you a 2x look on a 4x sensor area and a native aspect ratio?
Technically, yes. But likely to compromise image quality to some extent.
Wouldn't this also be possible with Great Joy Anamorphic Adapter but at a 90 degrees from normal?
Yes, except adapters are more finnicky.
My Z Cam F6 can desqueeze horizontally OR vertically!!! Can any other cameras do that?...
I think Z Cam is the only one who does it, for now!
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I was hoping I could ask you a question if I still have your attention. I just bought the Moment 1.33x adapter, but I'm curious about the new Blazar 1.5x. If you had to choose, which would you pick? Thank you sir!
FoV with a 35mm lens on 3/2 FF is 63 degrees vertical/42 degrees horizontal, multiple by 1.8x u get a 75h/63v degree FoV. which is equivalent to a 28mm on FF.
image/blur should look similar to a 28mm f1.6 spherical lens except with extra vertical real estate. or a 24mm f1.4 with sides cropped
but 35m height of a sensor dont give a a medium format. which is 60mm_by_45mm at least