Good episode, Jake. The only possible way for Griff to keep his job will be in the trades he makes. And I agree he has to now. If he does another type of Graham trade(salary dump that cost 4 seconds) He should be fired immediately.
I had high high hopes for this squad, but this team isn't going nowhere but to a top 5 draft pick. There are too many injuries to begin the season. By time all injured players get back and gell together, it would be too late. Maybe next season. I still like Mark Sears from Bama.
It think like the Saints , the Pels are directionless and are in a perpetual state of limbo organizationally and from a talent aspect. They seem to have no concise identity other than being injured.
At best, we win 5 games before January, and that would take stealing a few. That would be 9-22, w 51 games left in the year. We’re cooked, it’s a plain fact. Objectively, the best option is to run up the trade value of both BI + CJ, at minimum move BI + Javonte for trade capital if nothing else (for either 2025 or 2028), and then run a deep bench the rest of year. That gets everyone in our core 7 or so as much time together as possible while focusing on keeping everyone healthy. It will all be to the benefit of 2025-26 season. If healthy, we can be top 3 in the West and make some serious noise. The NBA isn’t ending this June…
As for the FO stuff: Willie should be let go around the deadline- it would be a softer landing for him anyway to package it as, “we aren’t trying to win anymore so let’s move on from a winning coach.” I don’t be believe it, but it’s a kindness at least. Griff has done a great job overall, he’s just been cursed by bad injury luck. I’d hate to see him go, esp after the FO upheaval this past summer.
Agreed. They ought to try to move CJ too, but I doubt they do unless it’s somewhere he wants to go. Other than Flagg, the top picks are all wings. Might as well free up the logjam now, he’s blocking already Hawk anyway.
We need a lineup change I would put Missi at PF and let Thies play center. Put Trey as PF and CJ and DM as our guards. This will give us morr height and rebounding and defense.
No one bro. Both are poor fits in today's game. Bi isn't worth what u have to give up to move him and worth more than we would get. CJ is inconsistent and a defensive liability. On paper they're solid. Eye test? No
We dont need to 'try' and tank... we suck. That's the biggest worry even if we get someone like Cooper we'll still suck. This organisation doesn't have a good record of developing talent..
Peja signed with the Pelicans already a good player. Chris Paul came into the league on day 1 and was a great point guard. David West is a fair point, but was that the organization or a byproduct of playing with an all-time great like Chris Paul. You would have to be one of the worst organizations to mess up Anthony Davis progressing into a top player. You would almost have to be as bad as that one organization that messed up the development of Zion Williamson’s career.
we are stuck in basketball purgatory. there is no guarantee we will end up being a top 3 draft pick. even if we do, there is no guarantee that guy will be good. It's hard to see a way out
If Pels have Herb Jones,Trey,CJ and Dejounte out there...would it be tanking or those players are not very good! The whole Ingram situation needs to be resolved!
Those players are good! The problem is injuries and camaraderie. You to need to have those guys on the court at the same time, consistently in order to get them to win games or find some kind of chemistry. That's clearly not happening! We're not really TANKING as much as we are just a bad team considering the factors surrounding the team.
Trades or lack there of have been a nightmare this season... we still don't have a center when we clearly have players you could use to get 1 like BI or CJ.
The season just started mate, if we trade B.I right now there is all our offense out the door. He literally the only dude doing anything on offense. Unless u trading for like a KAT or Jokic which we arent, we aint trading those dudes. Potenitally at the trade deadline
Should they TANK? Yes and No They play uninspired basketball, they can't stay healthy and our two star players can't stay healthy, can't play together and/or don't wanna be here and the Pels front office has NO plan for this team. Considering all those factors they should TANK. Now on the other hand the Pels have a player like Dejounte Murray who wants to win games and is a competitive player and leader unlike our two star players. When you have a player of that caliber you normally wouldn't TANK. Also we have some really good pieces, but the only problem is they are not healthy and have no chemistry on the court enough to win games. At this point just tank and try to get the best pick possible, because we are not consistently winning enough games to make the playoffs/play-in. Said the same thing about the Saints, if you not in contention for the playoffs or championship then you are a bottom feeding team or stuck in Mediocrity.
Not going to make the playoffs/in, and there is always an excuse of health with this team. Do we need to look at players lifestyle, and the med staff, or is this team literally just cursed? 🤔🏀🇬🇧
Play out 10 more games. Everyone knows this sport is a game of runs. We would be kicking ourselves if we sold the farm if maybe this team can go 7-3 in the next 10. Not saying that it is possible, but let’s be honest stranger things have happened
Bruh pls, this team aint have any time to play anytime together cause theyve been injured the entire season. Sure trade Zion, Im down at this point. Sure the coach is pretty low to average, but damn he cant do shit when u see our lineups and bench
This team is trash 🗑️ Mrs Gayle will have to clean house and get some people at top who get this team going in the right direction. Fire Willie and Griffin, trade BI, Zion , and Cj and draft some new Stars 🤷🏾♂️💪🏾
I think what the pels need to do is cut/trade Zion. And hire a new head coach Willie Green is a fail. Pels are tanking in preparation of cutting Zion . The dude is a cancer on the team.
Good episode, Jake. The only possible way for Griff to keep his job will be in the trades he makes. And I agree he has to now. If he does another type of Graham trade(salary dump that cost 4 seconds) He should be fired immediately.
Thank you Jake! We don’t need the data 👏🏾
I'm predicting 7-30 even if we try.. lol we're tanking weather they're trying to or not..
I had high high hopes for this squad, but this team isn't going nowhere but to a top 5 draft pick. There are too many injuries to begin the season. By time all injured players get back and gell together, it would be too late. Maybe next season. I still like Mark Sears from Bama.
At 7-30 which I'm predicting we mathematically can't make the playoffs.. it's over guys.
It think like the Saints , the Pels are directionless and are in a perpetual state of limbo organizationally and from a talent aspect. They seem to have no concise identity other than being injured.
At best, we win 5 games before January, and that would take stealing a few. That would be 9-22, w 51 games left in the year. We’re cooked, it’s a plain fact.
Objectively, the best option is to run up the trade value of both BI + CJ, at minimum move BI + Javonte for trade capital if nothing else (for either 2025 or 2028), and then run a deep bench the rest of year. That gets everyone in our core 7 or so as much time together as possible while focusing on keeping everyone healthy.
It will all be to the benefit of 2025-26 season. If healthy, we can be top 3 in the West and make some serious noise. The NBA isn’t ending this June…
As for the FO stuff: Willie should be let go around the deadline- it would be a softer landing for him anyway to package it as, “we aren’t trying to win anymore so let’s move on from a winning coach.” I don’t be believe it, but it’s a kindness at least.
Griff has done a great job overall, he’s just been cursed by bad injury luck. I’d hate to see him go, esp after the FO upheaval this past summer.
They would fumble Copper. The front office has no idea what they doing. They know how to develop talent and give them away.
Naji
Dyson
Everyone saying Cooper Flagg because of the hype and he is good but I’m looking at Harper and Ace Bailey more! Tre Johnson would be 🔥 too
I Agree 100%. We need to tank ASAP.
TANK ON!
I'm good with tanking only if we gonna be a perennial playoff team going forward.
We weren't even a perennial playoff team when we weren't tanking....
I don't think they are tanking I think they are try to get bi value up for a trade and get more draft picks
Agreed. They ought to try to move CJ too, but I doubt they do unless it’s somewhere he wants to go.
Other than Flagg, the top picks are all wings. Might as well free up the logjam now, he’s blocking already Hawk anyway.
Every dayer!! 🇵🇭
We need a lineup change I would put Missi at PF and let Thies play center. Put Trey as PF and CJ and DM as our guards. This will give us morr height and rebounding and defense.
Miss just has to work on his 3pt shot.
Hi Jake . In a alternate universe the Pels are the envy of all the NBA, a successful and well run club . Yet here we are
I think we can do it! You never know. A couple of teams ahead of us may have the same bad luck.
So wait it’s possible this team could tank and not even get a pick?
My team everyday 🍿
You telling me no team in the NBA will take BI or CJ? They average around 20 points a game why wouldn't a team want that?
No one bro. Both are poor fits in today's game. Bi isn't worth what u have to give up to move him and worth more than we would get. CJ is inconsistent and a defensive liability. On paper they're solid. Eye test? No
No one does
There is no guarantee that we can get Cooper Flagg. If we can't get him, who is our 2nd and 3rd choices?
Ace Bailey, Dylan Harper (Ron Harper son), Tre Johnson, Egor Demin, Kon Knueppel
We dont need to 'try' and tank... we suck. That's the biggest worry even if we get someone like Cooper we'll still suck. This organisation doesn't have a good record of developing talent..
I agree this coach and organization rn hasn’t been doing great but between 2004-2015 we developed AD, David west and cp3 and peja
It's what you get for taking tje Hornets from Charlotte. Taking basketball from North Carolina??? Yeah, quick way to have a cursed franchise.
Peja signed with the Pelicans already a good player. Chris Paul came into the league on day 1 and was a great point guard. David West is a fair point, but was that the organization or a byproduct of playing with an all-time great like Chris Paul. You would have to be one of the worst organizations to mess up Anthony Davis progressing into a top player. You would almost have to be as bad as that one organization that messed up the development of Zion Williamson’s career.
we are stuck in basketball purgatory. there is no guarantee we will end up being a top 3 draft pick. even if we do, there is no guarantee that guy will be good. It's hard to see a way out
The top 7-8 of this draft are impactful. This is the draft to tank.
@@saucystew8111maybe even if you draft a great player that player usually takes at least 3 seasons to hit their stride
@@IM-st2yoI hear you bro but we need a star to build around. I don't think we can trade for that dude. We need to draft him
If Pels have Herb Jones,Trey,CJ and Dejounte out there...would it be tanking or those players are not very good! The whole Ingram situation needs to be resolved!
Those players are good! The problem is injuries and camaraderie. You to need to have those guys on the court at the same time, consistently in order to get them to win games or find some kind of chemistry. That's clearly not happening! We're not really TANKING as much as we are just a bad team considering the factors surrounding the team.
Trades or lack there of have been a nightmare this season... we still don't have a center when we clearly have players you could use to get 1 like BI or CJ.
The season just started mate, if we trade B.I right now there is all our offense out the door. He literally the only dude doing anything on offense. Unless u trading for like a KAT or Jokic which we arent, we aint trading those dudes. Potenitally at the trade deadline
@@mrstrong93 BI is out best player.
Trade BI & CJ and get a cheap legit center to save some money while tanking.
Nick Claxton
Should they TANK? Yes and No
They play uninspired basketball, they can't stay healthy and our two star players can't stay healthy, can't play together and/or don't wanna be here and the Pels front office has NO plan for this team. Considering all those factors they should TANK. Now on the other hand the Pels have a player like Dejounte Murray who wants to win games and is a competitive player and leader unlike our two star players. When you have a player of that caliber you normally wouldn't TANK. Also we have some really good pieces, but the only problem is they are not healthy and have no chemistry on the court enough to win games. At this point just tank and try to get the best pick possible, because we are not consistently winning enough games to make the playoffs/play-in. Said the same thing about the Saints, if you not in contention for the playoffs or championship then you are a bottom feeding team or stuck in Mediocrity.
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We need cooper
Every-Dayer
as long as you got this coach you`re not going no where. everybody blaming Zion it`s the coach
they need to start playing reeves
Not going to make the playoffs/in, and there is always an excuse of health with this team. Do we need to look at players lifestyle, and the med staff, or is this team literally just cursed? 🤔🏀🇬🇧
Every dayer
Play out 10 more games. Everyone knows this sport is a game of runs. We would be kicking ourselves if we sold the farm if maybe this team can go 7-3 in the next 10. Not saying that it is possible, but let’s be honest stranger things have happened
I swear I'd do a better job at managing this team and making trades.. the Pelicans management is the worst in the NBA.
Bruh pls, this team aint have any time to play anytime together cause theyve been injured the entire season. Sure trade Zion, Im down at this point. Sure the coach is pretty low to average, but damn he cant do shit when u see our lineups and bench
A lot of people think that; but to actually put it in writing as if…. 🧐
Fire Willie Green Jake please look at the Pelicans record
This team is trash 🗑️ Mrs Gayle will have to clean house and get some people at top who get this team going in the right direction. Fire Willie and Griffin, trade BI, Zion , and Cj and draft some new Stars 🤷🏾♂️💪🏾
Fire Willie Green
I think tanking won't be good for the team, just playing better is the best way. Give a chance to younger players and improve.
I think what the pels need to do is cut/trade Zion. And hire a new head coach Willie Green is a fail. Pels are tanking in preparation of cutting Zion . The dude is a cancer on the team.
Trade Zion and BI first, try to get as you can and hope the ping pong balls boubce your way
Every dayer