Suggestions on what material and utilities we need can be put here in update 13 +14: community.projectkamp.com/research/can-we-design-a-community-center-building
about the animals on the kamp the benfits of having goats and chickens are fresh milk and goat cheese and fresh eggs downside is extra costs and space you'll need for the animals. the extra cost being vetrenarian costs to keep the animals healthy and also food for the winter. if you are planning to plant fruit trees I suggest getting bee's as well or look around to see if a local beekeeper wants to place a hive near the tree's. the bees polonate the fruit trees and help get more fruit and if you get the bees for the kamp you can use the honey as a sugar replacer and to make honey wine. if a local beekeeper places bees in your kamp you can ask for some honey. a plus side to keeping your own bees is you can sell the surplus honey or gift them to your neigbors. the downside is bees are expencive to start and when you have people that are alegic to bees they can be dangerous. also you would need to have a beekeeper or someone needs to learn beekeeping.
You could do a crowd fund where people can "buy a brick" & their name or initials get inscribed on it (for the internal precious plastic bricks) could be €10/20 depending on the amount of internal bricks needed.
@maidenekker I am certainly in! Comparing this community building with project rebuilding the engine of Brupeg - also a financial issue in a comparably popular YT channel - there it worked a charm. Yes this one is way more expensive, but it is worth a try. Maybe there is a way to get something in return, e.g. the right to attend one pizza night?
...just looked up the figures again. Brupeg only has 1/10 the subscribers of Project Kamp. They needed 8.500 $AUS, and got 35.000 like within two days in their crowd fund. So the financial for this community center should be no major deal, really.
I would suggest borrowing goats for one week. Put them in the brambles and in one week the goats will prove their worth a hundred times over. No need to get your own goats because most farmers will lend you some for the free food. Everyone wins and you do not have to be goat herders unless you want them for milk.
Def borrow goats. Its like the difference btwn being parents and grandparents. Parents are stuck with all the responsibility yr round, grandparents get the kids when they want them and can give them back any time...
definitely go for chickens and goats. The chickens eat a lot of scrap food, and really help combat against insects. The goats can make short work of a lot of the brambles and rugged vegetation and perhaps also young mimosa plants? You would also have the benefits of goat milk and eggs for the people who don' mind consuming these products.. or perhaps trade them away with the locals.
Keeping goats in or out is the main problem. They need small mesh wire or a goat herder to tie them out every day. If you’ve ever had goats you would think twice about them!!
@@janebrommet7942my goats did not eat everything!! They ate the tender grass and vegetable gardens first and left the brambles to grow all over the place 😡
I feel like you guys need minimum of 6 showers and toilets if you're going to be maxing out at 50 people 😆 really cool to see everything still happening, and love the move to focus in on a clear mission and vision for the camp
Yeah definitely. I live in a place with 10 others and we share two toilets and I’m telling you sometimes I can’t get in lol. So they definitely might need one or two more
Buildings. Do not worry much about 'replicable everywhere'. Every site/ location is different . Build what is best and most suitable for your situation and share that experience. I think these latest Community Building plans look promissing.
That is what I thought too. Even if you use containers to build your c-center, other people in another spaces have other requirements. Focus on the way finding your best solution for your environment, document and talk about the obstacles finding your solution. That would people help way more than a plan on a piece of paper.
A suggestions that is a little late: Could you make the community building modular ? So you could build different parts of it over a few years as money and other resources come in? It would also make the plans more usable for other people as they could pick the parts they need for their situation.
My first thought was also, this is quite a thing. But sometimes you need to think big and maybe with large beams and a solid foundation it is managable. I would also take in account that the roof will need to carry solar panels (as this would be a logical place).
I would like to make a suggestion for the community center roof, you should install a green roof, it will help with both heating and cooling, and it fits with the natural environment much better
@@tonylarose4842 it could be both. New designs of solar panels allow them to be installed upright having solar collection on both sides. The cooling effect makes them more efficient too. There are more options for placements now.
From the drawings of the community center, it looks like everyone needs to dress up to use it. LOL Seeing the woman in the dress and high heels in the concept drawing made my chuckle. This was a good update. Looking forward to what you all accomplish before the winter and season ends. Maybe the winter updates are simple things, like pet projects people are doing or just pictures of where people have gone. I like people's suggestions to sell bricks, or pieces of wood that is used in building the center and put their names on it. Gives the donators a sense of being a part of it even if they can't physically be there.
Do you guys heard about earthships? It uses old materials to built (that you can get for free, like tires, cans and bottles), has high level of comfort and it's self sufficient. Usually they are designed for houses but maybe there is a way to create a community center with the same base ideia! Ps: I would love to join you one day, I'm waiting for a project that I feel comfortable with, to be a useful ❤️
The thing I like about Project Kamp and earlier, Precious Plastic is their practical focus on pressing contemporary materials and challenges. There are so many exciting developments in building construction, it would be great to see them partner with perhaps a builder using 3D printing, or a mill making composite construction materials out of waste materials (mimosa?). Then of course using classic practices like orienting for passive solar efficiency, routing air ducts under earthen berms, etc. When it comes to replicability, scaleable modularity seems increasingly attractive, with added flexibility meeting challenges of increasing volatility.
I am impressed with all you folks put in to your projects! I mean, you started out with a few derelict buildings and look at where you are now! The way you approach things with viewer input, your own skills, the environment, the fire threat, the local laws and the practical reuse of materials takes a lot of research and work! Geeze! The thing is, you folks are pioneers at this! People can learn from your experiences! You have supplied a real service 'model' that can be followed for eons! You're doing awesome! Thanks for sharing your journey and involving your viewers!
Whilst €300k is a lot of money, once spread out amongst all of us, it becomes much more manageable (as with everything you share with us through your content!). I like the idea of people buying a brick, or sponsoring the planting of native trees.
I would consider redoing the building as an "earthshiip", there are few in Spain. I'm sure you can find an expert to come help you build one using the local rubbish dump for materials. Also you could use the dirt from around the farm
Earthbags/hyperadobe might be a better option than using tires and earth. Though it's quite a learning process, and maybe not one to do a large building as the first attempt. Also, since they have plenty of trees there (many of which need to be cut down for fire safety), using the trees would seem to be a more locally resourceful option that's also pretty reliable for building without a ton of experience.
Earth ships are made by compacting earth into tires which are highly carcinogenic they break down even while buried into the ground and they leach poison into your surrounding area... Poison that you done ingest when you eat the stuff that you grow inside the earthship.😢 I used to love earthships until I found out
Considering the risk on fire, in my opinion, the most sustainable way of building, is to build it with materials that are (more) fire resilient. So, for instance, brick built walls with cork insulation on the outside, concrete beams with concrete or brick inlaid roofs with traditional roof tiles on top etc. No plastic window frames, no sandwichpanel roofs or walls (at least the ones filled with xps foam) etc). We live in the same region, and what we usually see, is that houses burn because of the used materials (mainly wood). Even stone houses where only the roof beams are wood, burn down, just because of these beams catching fire. Not by direct fire, but because of the intense heat that goes through the roof tiles.
The planners have set you a challenge and done you a favour regarding the old ruin. The question section was very good, good questions and answers, especially about community living. I also loved seeing all the different nationalities present, just wish the world thought the same way.
For the walls i suggest looking at Laura Kampf's old house rebuild! She uses something similar to cob/hay&clay mix but prefab into bricks with a special pressed woodfibre outer layer to fully insulate and make the cob bricks waterproof
You should strip the community center to just the bare essentials to get it approved structurally so you can start building, that way you can probably get it to under 100-150k which is manageable through a burst of crowdfunding. With the plans not dependent on the interior you can then start using the space (with just the walls and a roof) and slowly build it out further over time.
I like how you get so many different people answering the questions. I'd love to live a similar kind of life, but I'll probably never get the chance to now, so I'll live it through you guys!
Have you ever thought about rammed earth structure wall? It’s very good for heat retention in the winter and heat protection in the summer and the soil can be locally sourced from your land. The rammed earth walls don’t only look nice when finished but also are structural walls that can support a large structure. The rammed earth walls are fire proof as well. The materials are fairly cheap since it’s just dirt and sometimes cement. You might get lucky with the dirt you have on your land in terms of the way it sticks to itself when it’s damp. Rammed earth is very sustainable building technique and can be replicated anywhere in the world.
For community building documentation, it would be good to have a process for exit interview of anyone who visits and be recorded for data collection and psycology part of the project
I'm working with a local group who have some very similar goals to you folks, and I came up with a specific vision for them that might work well for you as well. I call it the Politics of Art. Specifically, the aim is to use traditionally proven techniques to create spaces (physical, emotional, and intellectual) that support individual exploration of artisanal solutions to individuals' needs. It's complex, but the gist of it is having a centralized system that does the groundwork, and only the groundwork, for giving individuals the freedom to explore and create unique, personal options for taking great care of themselves and others. Another way to say it is the organizing that has to happen to achieve maximum meaningful play.
Good to see y'all thinking about an integrated modular master plan for Project Kamp. Some thought points - I'm sure y'all must've thought of these & many more and incorporated some as per convenience already! 1) Work day division - work time / community cultural time / meditation or exercise time / personal time / etc ... along with credits system. 2) Content creation / product creation should preferably be a part of every one's routine. Recipie / work plans / documentation / small gift items / drawings / etc. 3) Create a physical library and assign duties to keep it up to date. 4) interface with acedemia - in order to keep yourself updated and to get some acredation (if possible) so as to be able to issue some certificates to people enrolling in Project Kamp on some skills. 5) invite people for stays / workshops from other such efforts worldwide to share best practices. Idea #1 - wood chips + fine mud + limestone powder / crushed stone powder could help you make building blocks that could be Sun baked (Summers) or fire baked (Mimosa) + reinforced with iron bars. Tree sap can be repurposed as a glue (people have done these things before).
Nice video, and I liked the Q&A format. I think that for the community center you'll have to limit how much wood you are going to use, a big building makes it harder to maintain. Where I live that feels pretty similar to the climate of your camp I'm used to seeing external timber being re-painted every couple of years (but with chemical coats and paints) or the wood after a few years gets moldy and starts decaying. For a small construction is not a big deal to take care of but for the community center...
One of the most important sustainable factors is your energy and your interest. As far as I can tell from the video updates, it seems like you are keeping these factors in mind, and balancing work and rest, mission and leisure. I also appreciate that your pace seems sustainable - while you all work very hard, you don't seem to be burning yourselves out. If I am incorrect in this observation, please address in a future video.
You should definitely use hempcrete/hemp lime. It has several advantages: 1) Easy to use and safe. Which would cut down on skilled labour. 2) High insulation value. 3) Fire resistant. 4) Environmentally friendly. It actually acts like a carbon sink and can be easily maintained and even re-used. 5) Deals well with high humidity and prevents mold growth. 6) Quick. With a small team, a pan mixer and some plywood or other similar sheeting, you can put up the walls within a week.
and also 7) Can be easily sourced in many countries (unlike local stones) and thus is more applicable for other people trying to replicate the building 8) Can be transported and applied without heavy machinery, just manual labor 9) Can also be used as a floor insulation (maybe adding expanded clay granulate like Leca) 10) Can be experimented with (eg. using local straw instead hemp, using different lime types or clay). If the goal is to open source the design, it could be helpful to test a variety of building techniques and materials. 11) Cheap!
and 12) It's a perfect combination for an internal wooden frame structure, because it is breathable and preserves the wood it gets in contact with. No need for membranes, foils, foam or other isolators.
Hemp lime seems more compatible with the region than straw bale. Rainy seasons would eliminate straw bale as a contender. With all that acreage, they might even be able to grow their own hemp for the project and barter/pay their neighbor to harvest it for them. This solution seems very viable.
Goats would definitely help manage the land if you have a movable containment system. And you can sell the milk and the babies. Or make soap and cheese for sale. Letting the goats maintain the areas you can't mow would create free time for other projects.
Suggestion: If you get the right equipment you could probably recycle a lot more plastic. Recycling a lot more plastic will help overcome a number of challenges. A. you can probably set up a deal with the municipality for them to bring the plastic to you (for recycling) and to pay you for taking it which will help with the monetary challenge and help secure steady funding. B. Recycling the plastic would be a good use for the extra energy that you produce during summer. C. The thing that you can make with the plastic during summer is building blocks to use later for building during winter. Plastic blocks are good insulators, strong, long lasting, water resistant, And could be made into easy to use and functional building materials like blocks or sheets. D. The blocks could be used to build the walls in the building you're making and later be covered with hempcrete to protect the blocks from the sun and prevent microplastics and offgasing. This will provide a safe affordable & easy to use building material. It will help with your mission of living sustainably. It will provide more money to the camp. And it will strengthen your connection to the local community. While also converting your extra energy that currently is going to waste into useful materials at virtually less than zero cost.
Yes! Goats please! They are so much fun watching them jumping around. They are also great for mowing the lawn for free. No electricity needed. Lol! I vote for goats and chickens if you ever want a second animal. Love your videos and watching the progress over time.
I grew up on a goat farm and they are wonderful animals, ours were as friendly as dogs. They will eat and eat, BUT they will eat everything you don't want them to touch and completely ignore the areas you want them to maintain. If they're going to free range, I suggest really good fencing around your food gardens/orchard to keep them out. And any flowering plants that you're partial to, I've watched them strip a rose bush in under 10 minutes...thorns be damned apparently 🤣 Otherwise...YES!!! get goats, I love them!!
For the community building could you make it out of shipping containers? Making the building modular and then arrange them for footprint/space to make it more repeatable for other locations. This would also make them temporary structures - easy to add too as crowd/need increases.
Thank you for the update. The design for the community center is super cool, I can't wait to see what it will look like. Also, I definitely like the idea of getting animals. They can help you so much, even beyond the food they can produce. And what about producing some of your own food? Do you have any plans for growing your own crops?
I need to say a huge thank you for realising that government & bureaucracy MUST exist in any new society we may create. Rules and regulations will still be important to protect the vulnerable amongst us from those who would exploit them for their own purposes and ends.
You may be interested to read the SciFi novel, “The Dispossessed”: It is actually more about Anthropology, Individualism/Collectivism, Anarchy/Capitalism (of new & old societies) 🤠 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dispossessed?wprov=sfti1#
Great video! And some excellent suggestions popping up in the comments! I agree with all these: earthship, more toilets! Keep the plumbing short by having all “wet” nearby, goats and chickens.
every week has so many beautiful camera shots and very neat and informative for all the vidoes about the current challenges and strategies that you guys use to create wonderful community spaces shipping containers for dried food storage and tools and recycled materials storage including the sustainable poop toilet you guys built from cans for the roof that was pure magic you guys also create amazing vegan and vegetarian meals with sustainably sources and grown fruits and vegetables from your neighbours every meal is very colourful and you also create amazing toturials of how to create amazing rich and fresh loafs of bread and baggutes . You guys should invest in getting hydroponic farming towers because there great for growing herbs/spices and vegetables they would be a great fit in the new plan of creating a community space that can accommodate 50 people . Carbon fibre panels for native plants are great for planting native trees/flowers/bushes and flowering mosses and great sizes for small and big decks thank you guys this video had so much useful and helpful information to get creative about building community spaces/tiny homes or cabins !
Hi, maybe you should try to use a polarizing filter, it removes glare from the leaves and it would look greener, the sky would be bluer. Overall it would be a good upgrade.
Congratulations on the progress and achievements so far, creating such an inspirational value. Resulting from the decision to bring down the ruined/weak structure to build the community center from scratch, there will inevitably be a huge mass of rubble.. including brittle bricks, cement blocks, etc. Most (or at least some) of the components of the wreckage rubble could be used for terracing, paving, maybe even for an additional pond for rainwater harvesting. Metals (iron bars etc.) harvested from the rubble can probably be sold. All the best of solidarity and luck for the prospected plans.
If they use scaffolding to deconstruct I think they'll be able to salvage many of the bricks. Depending on how many they can save, someone mentioned raised beds which I like. I imagine they might be useful shoring up the waters edge to prevent soil erosion & bramble growth on creek edge, the water line at swimming areas or even fill in heavily used stairs Julie made that might be prone to washing away with heavy rains. The crumbled bits can be mixed with ash and spent mortar to improve ruts/potholes on the roads or a gravel drive where vehicles are impacting the ground too much. Lots of uses. No need for any of it to go in a landfill.
You should consider a solar water heat system. Panels can be made from recycled materials and old waterheater tanks can be used for storage. It has the potential to supply heating and hot water for the community centre year around.
I love how the videos are made by the whole team! Juanita, love your thoughts on how to approach building a vision, and what that looks like with multiple people involved!
Sad to learn that the old brick building is very unstable and falling apart, and will have to be partially disassembled for a new structure to be build at its place, but seeing those designs being so modern yet reusing materials like the plastic bricks, can't wait to see what becomes of this area.
The 2nd or 3rd plans look good but i would build a 4 season green house on to it to help begin your growing season(starters) and grow some tropical plants . Plus you can use one outside wall for the green house , as an idea.
so it would oversimplify gardening if you got chickens, what you do is have 2 chicken runs and run 1 gets used for a 3-5 month growing season, and run 2 is used for the chickens, and then after you harvest you swap them. what is good about this system is the chickens fertilize and remove weeds, and it makes managing a garden much easier
Dirt superadobe or hyperadobe bags. Outside the bag cost it is just labor. Dirt can come from your own land. Structure cost is very economically priced compared to other sustainable building methods... also look up Earthships. That is even cheaper as it uses used tires. cams and bottles and can be completely off grid.... This is what I believe you are looking for. As it would use the hillside to cool in summer and the mass would aid in heating cost. Most earthisp recycle 100% of your bio waist in built in gardens... Earthships Is the most exciting and fits your land in so many ways as the best way to go forward...
It looks very modern but maybe it would be good to use the decoration pattern we are seeing in a lot of 1800's 1900's building. It makes them more time proof and less subject to become out dated
A great progress ahead - with nice plans... But nowadays it is quite basic for each room to have its proper bathroom with toilet. E.g. 6 people could be put in one room with separating curtains / paper walls in between to make it more comfortable and intimate. This means that you need ca. 8 of these rooms with 8 bathrooms with toilets plus min. 2 toilets with washing basins outside, by the dining room. You could ask for some money for this comfort... Good luck! 😊
He says they have given up the idea of trying to use any of the old, burned and weak building for the new project. Hooray! I never understood the utility of try to save the first building that was complete junk! The work schedule should include at least a day per week cutting the unsafe trees and the sprouts which will grow into a huge fire hazard in no time! Those trees were planted as a biomass fuel crop and that is exactly what they are; either removed or in place on the Kamp.
Mimosas are grown for firewood in huge steam generation plants or ...they are firewood where they stand. The place was cheap because it has recently burned, and the regrowth is either harvested or is fuel for another conflagration in the same location. @@BennieThundaChunk
I believe Project Kamp isn’t going for efficiency or utility when it comes to preserving the old ruins, part of their ethos is being sustainable and not bringing in new materials if possible, for environmental, and preservationist/historic reasons. That is a great part about them, they don’t treat the land as ruins or junk and start from scratch, they use what they have and reinforce and retrofit as best they can. It’s sad that the municipality is essentially forcing them to start from scratch.
Preserve the ruin as some sort of greenhouse that is not required to be safe for human occupation. They seem to now understand that re use of an already unsafe and substandard building is not wise. The construction of some sort of wildfire refuge should be in the most immediate plans. Look at the huge regrowth of the mimosa trees in the background of a few shots. Another scorching summer and some of their killing the trees and leaving them standing is a recipe for disaster. @@tythetasmaniantiger7
So much smarter for the long term health and viability of the building to not be limited by the current structure. It will allow you to really put things where you want them, better insulate and better use the building. I would use some granite and then also hempcrete since you are relying in possibly unproffesional labor to do the building. Hempcrete is easier to work with for amatuers.
If you're going to have that many plastic bricks, use them for formwork for rammed earth walls. It will be cheap to build with the labour force you have.
Regarding the community centre maybe you could think about implementing some earth ship principles. The Eco first thinking of earthships would be a perfect fit for project kamp. Keep up the great work. Greets from Germany
Have you thought of planting olive trees and cork trees? Olives to make your own olive oil and cork to (one day) provide an income from selling the cork bark. Investigate government grants, farming subsidies and money from charities such as Lottery to fund building work. Thanks for sharing Project Kamp.
Goats are a great way of keeping areas from growing back after you have cleared, but only if you can control where they will be. You could end up with a bare herb garden and overgrown undergrowth.😬👍
A suggestion for cooling would be “cool tubes”; pipes that are open on both ends, but run underground to pick up the cooler temps in the earth. Works well with slopes and low humidity which it sounds like you have in the summers.
Hey everyone. I watch every video since the project camp started. I love the philosophy. And I see there is 600+ subscribers. I know if I had an easy way to give £1 I would and it takes half of subscribers to give 1Є/£1 to reach 300000 for new project.
One option to consider is a modular design for the community center, which reduces the initial cost, grows with the project, and may be easier for administrative work with the municipality. And I think it is more sustainable by allocating resources when they are needed.
As a sociologist this is such an interesting journey I have to say! :D Especially with the questions of how to document all of this! Really fascinating episode this week!
50 people is a lot. You probably need multiple living spaces, bathrooms, and should absolutely consider a library space. People will want to disperse and collect into smaller groups so having multiple spaces for people to collect (and have meetings) is something I would consider. Depending on what you envision for the future, you may also want to set aside a recording studio (is that the technical space?).
Speaking about materials: Recycling of natural material is the path to follow, but for long term projects sometime it isn't the best way to deal with the project. Using long lasting material saves time on maintenance, leaving that time for more productive activities. Insulating panels recovered from scrapyards are good if not damaged from heat or sun, and a layer of plastic to make wool insulation waterproof isn't a big issue, you are part of the world, and it isn't that small quantity of plastic making a difference, if it saves you time to work on the project. The same is for motor vehicles. However, for the Diesel pickup, you probably can run it with waste vegetable oil. I have my old waste vegetable oil centrifuge I made for cleaning it sitting on a shelf for over a decade, since I'm using lpg as fuel for my car, if you need it I can give it to you. If interested just write me a direct message!
Goats are a risk. If they escape, then anything you have planted for food, you can almost guarantee that those plants will be the first thing that they will destroy/eat to the ground. If you are going to tear the old building down, have you considered breaking the bricks up and then using the pieces in the ditches on either side of the tracks. Hopefully, this would stabilise the tracks and stop erosion of the centre of the tracks??? Perhaps on sections where the water wants to cross from one side of the track to the other and dig a new channel across the track, stabilise the new channel with mimosa wood and broken bricks. It's recycling at its finest. I have come to really look forward to your Monday upload. It's my time to chill. Thanks. 😊😊😊❤❤❤😊😊😊
I think you need goats, pigs and some cows in order to have them feeding amongst the trees and keeping the mimosas down, whilst keeping the fruit and oak trees. You will also need the more sails to force more water into the ground and the animal droppings for fertilization. maybe you could only seasonal "rent" animals to do that, thus you do not have to worry about caring for the animals in winter
You could buy & ship 300 expensive containers..or buy the sheet metal machine for 15k to make the containers,fill the grounds with containers without planning then cut the red brick/local stone/wood/no natural fabric/plastic recreate any facade. A nod to the original build and the practically of the containers . Also definitely guniea pigs & rabbits for the forest ❤💚
YES Goats would be GOOD! Take care of your brambles and if you park them close to the mimosas sprouting again they will also take "care" of that problem. And in return you get, Bramble and weed control and "poop" (which is great for biogass generator), Milk, Cheese, "Natilla"
I'm so happy you aren't trying to reuse that old building. You can tell its barely holding together and those dodgy hollow bricks that its made of, which appear sketchy, fragile and weak. I also wouldn't trust the cement trusses holding that building up. Did they use the right cement mix, use rebar to add strength and/or the right thickness to hold up the structure up. You don't know because it wasn't permitted and didn't pass any inspections. I'd also put a handicap toilet on the first floor in case someone can't go up the steps. Putting all the toilets on the 2nd floor, is problematic. FYI, I'm a city planner. I've seen videos of people make two story buildings out of bamboo.
These challenge(s) were more entertaining variation than just qyestons and answers. The new building's design will morph in time, # of occupants, money raised/funded/saved. From the ground up. But fifty year round or peak? Can be framed in sections and huilt seasonally. Would like to see mixed sized stacked containers on concrete bases, color, angles, decks, walkouts, etc.
I think straw and clay could be great! It's a great thermal mass, and it's cheap, you could even source all your materials on-site! Clay is super common and you've got a hay field.
Building material: If you have a local source for clay, cobb could incorporate some of the broken bricks and it is very fire resistant. It's also very conducive to individuals working over a period of time; it helps to build the roof first. Straw bale has great thermal mass and is also fire resistant, but it does make use of post & beam which are not. Cobb and straw bale can be incorporated in the same structure. Granite would make a good foundation or could be used for sections; granite inclusions could be fitted into cobb walls. Lots of possibilities.
Straw bale doesn't like moisture, it tends to mold. The rainy seasons won't agree with it. Hempcrete with a lime stucco will tolerate humidity and rain. th-cam.com/video/cm23l_VLyp4/w-d-xo.html
You should get a couple of those electric fly swatters to deal with the fly problem makes it much easier to kill the flies cause you can hit em mid air and they get zapped
Include at least a granite facade, as it is typical of the area to have old granite buildings, it might get you some points with the municipality project approval. Also, the goats are proven to be good for managing the flora, but add a lot of overhead in time and resources (shelter, healthcare and feed). If you could arrange with a local Sheppard to include your property as a periodic stop maybe would be the best of both worlds for you. Cheers
Use trees you cut for building materials and cut some more if needed also stone and concrete for lowers walls recycled bricks . Very cool love your videos
I read once that its not allowed for a big building like that. Accept you have a frontworker with masters in hand and mashinery, which can proove the elastics of the wood and other materials.
best repel flies include oil of lemon eucalyptus, lemongrass, catnip, citronella, & cinnamon. Maybe plant a few of these around camp; see how it cuts back on the bugs.
amazing vertical garden designs and green vine flowers for outside and planning the project using sustainable materials and fitting all the living and working places flawlasy great job
Mimosa usage: Biochar on site with killn method. no need to drag the stuff around to much. and after inacculation work it into the land directly. can use the stems and make the char from the branches. can use stems after drying for heating in winter or build warmwater boiler for heatedshower, or maybe make a siteproject build a sauna cabin. btw the debarked and dead trees should be dried enouth to make charcoal directky without much smoke.
You might want at least one bathroom on the kitchen level in case someone has difficulty with stairs? Granite should help mediate temperature between day and night if done right. Cork insulation or wool or denim. Can you build a medium sized building first (say 50k euro) then move into the big one? Could be an event space, like if someone wants to get married on a farm. Or build the shell then finish as you go? I think incorporating some kind of earth-bermed or earth-sheltered structure would be wise. Dig deeper into the earth - no upkeep on that buried, plus it regulates temperature and will not burn. As others have suggested, that is basically an "earth ship". But there are other earth bermed structures for example I would also suggest the design of the "Hockerton Housing Project" in the UK. It's a very similar vibe of what you're doing - they have beehives, solar, water cleaning on site and because the houses are earth bermed they use much less energy for domestic needs. Plus the temp is well regulated in hot AND cold weather. Yes, it may be an up front CO2 cost for concrete, but the long-term CO2 expenditure on heating, cooling, plus the resiliency of an earth-bermed structure to fire, maintenance... really good design!
Looking good....the interior is mostly hard surfaces, and the sound might reverberate to much, making it less comfortable. Suggest improving the acoustics with soft surfaces.
Suggestions on what material and utilities we need can be put here in update 13 +14:
community.projectkamp.com/research/can-we-design-a-community-center-building
about the animals on the kamp the benfits of having goats and chickens are fresh milk and goat cheese and fresh eggs downside is extra costs and space you'll need for the animals. the extra cost being vetrenarian costs to keep the animals healthy and also food for the winter.
if you are planning to plant fruit trees I suggest getting bee's as well or look around to see if a local beekeeper wants to place a hive near the tree's. the bees polonate the fruit trees and help get more fruit and if you get the bees for the kamp you can use the honey as a sugar replacer and to make honey wine. if a local beekeeper places bees in your kamp you can ask for some honey.
a plus side to keeping your own bees is you can sell the surplus honey or gift them to your neigbors. the downside is bees are expencive to start and when you have people that are alegic to bees they can be dangerous. also you would need to have a beekeeper or someone needs to learn beekeeping.
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You could do a crowd fund where people can "buy a brick" & their name or initials get inscribed on it (for the internal precious plastic bricks) could be €10/20 depending on the amount of internal bricks needed.
I realy love this idea. It would make the community support visible in a nice way.
Do a crowd fund anyway, I would donate some money and I am sure a lot of people would!
@maidenekker I am certainly in! Comparing this community building with project rebuilding the engine of Brupeg - also a financial issue in a comparably popular YT channel - there it worked a charm.
Yes this one is way more expensive, but it is worth a try. Maybe there is a way to get something in return, e.g. the right to attend one pizza night?
...just looked up the figures again. Brupeg only has 1/10 the subscribers of Project Kamp. They needed 8.500 $AUS, and got 35.000 like within two days in their crowd fund.
So the financial for this community center should be no major deal, really.
I would definitely buy a brick.
I would suggest borrowing goats for one week. Put them in the brambles and in one week the goats will prove their worth a hundred times over. No need to get your own goats because most farmers will lend you some for the free food. Everyone wins and you do not have to be goat herders unless you want them for milk.
great idea.
Excellent suggestion! Also a nice trial project, Rent A Goat!
Def borrow goats. Its like the difference btwn being parents and grandparents. Parents are stuck with all the responsibility yr round, grandparents get the kids when they want them and can give them back any time...
I would say find a donkey and borrow it. They are far better at brush clearing than goats.
definitely go for chickens and goats. The chickens eat a lot of scrap food, and really help combat against insects. The goats can make short work of a lot of the brambles and rugged vegetation and perhaps also young mimosa plants? You would also have the benefits of goat milk and eggs for the people who don' mind consuming these products.. or perhaps trade them away with the locals.
Goats eat every thing...you need fenches...not a good idea...chickens yes and maybe scheep or 2 cows
Pigs are better in that regard
@@janebrommet7942you can tether goats to a spike and just move them every day.
Keeping goats in or out is the main problem. They need small mesh wire or a goat herder to tie them out every day. If you’ve ever had goats you would think twice about them!!
@@janebrommet7942my goats did not eat everything!! They ate the tender grass and vegetable gardens first and left the brambles to grow all over the place 😡
I feel like you guys need minimum of 6 showers and toilets if you're going to be maxing out at 50 people 😆 really cool to see everything still happening, and love the move to focus in on a clear mission and vision for the camp
It seems like a lot of people don't realize there are already toilets & showers in other places on Kamp.
Yeah definitely. I live in a place with 10 others and we share two toilets and I’m telling you sometimes I can’t get in lol. So they definitely might need one or two more
Buildings. Do not worry much about 'replicable everywhere'. Every site/ location is different .
Build what is best and most suitable for your situation and share that experience. I think these latest Community Building plans look promissing.
That is what I thought too. Even if you use containers to build your c-center, other people in another spaces have other requirements. Focus on the way finding your best solution for your environment, document and talk about the obstacles finding your solution. That would people help way more than a plan on a piece of paper.
A suggestions that is a little late: Could you make the community building modular ? So you could build different parts of it over a few years as money and other resources come in? It would also make the plans more usable for other people as they could pick the parts they need for their situation.
My first thought was also, this is quite a thing. But sometimes you need to think big and maybe with large beams and a solid foundation it is managable. I would also take in account that the roof will need to carry solar panels (as this would be a logical place).
So happy that you planned to scrap the existing building. Yes it did look very unsafe and not up to the job at all. Love the plans
Julie casually waling up with two different socks is the energy I need for my Monday😊
the new plan for the community building looks very nice and modern. But 2 toilets for 50 people is not enough in my opinion 😅
They already have two out side!! And also everything can be wait!! 😂😂
You better know about your needs and plan ahead, before it becomes an emergency!
Vegans can poop and leave the toilet in less than two minutes. It's not actually a problem.
Yes 2 toilets are less. As it will be used continuously and hence a mess
If their only problem was the toilet
Very cool design. I wonder if you could flip the upstairs design so that the bathroom is above the mechanical room. Should simplify the plumbing.
I would like to make a suggestion for the community center roof, you should install a green roof, it will help with both heating and cooling, and it fits with the natural environment much better
Green roof vs solar I think they need the power
@@tonylarose4842 it could be both. New designs of solar panels allow them to be installed upright having solar collection on both sides. The cooling effect makes them more efficient too. There are more options for placements now.
From the drawings of the community center, it looks like everyone needs to dress up to use it. LOL Seeing the woman in the dress and high heels in the concept drawing made my chuckle.
This was a good update. Looking forward to what you all accomplish before the winter and season ends. Maybe the winter updates are simple things, like pet projects people are doing or just pictures of where people have gone.
I like people's suggestions to sell bricks, or pieces of wood that is used in building the center and put their names on it. Gives the donators a sense of being a part of it even if they can't physically be there.
Do you guys heard about earthships? It uses old materials to built (that you can get for free, like tires, cans and bottles), has high level of comfort and it's self sufficient. Usually they are designed for houses but maybe there is a way to create a community center with the same base ideia!
Ps: I would love to join you one day, I'm waiting for a project that I feel comfortable with, to be a useful ❤️
A great way to grow food year round which would cut down on costs quite a bit.
Yeah, an earthship would fit the Theme so Well! Would probably Work really good with the slope too 🤔
The thing I like about Project Kamp and earlier, Precious Plastic is their practical focus on pressing contemporary materials and challenges. There are so many exciting developments in building construction, it would be great to see them partner with perhaps a builder using 3D printing, or a mill making composite construction materials out of waste materials (mimosa?). Then of course using classic practices like orienting for passive solar efficiency, routing air ducts under earthen berms, etc.
When it comes to replicability, scaleable modularity seems increasingly attractive, with added flexibility meeting challenges of increasing volatility.
They are nice and you have a lot of working examples, but will those designs pass regulations?
@@Confuzer great question. Part of natural building that’s so exciting lately is the testing/engineering in order to move our building codes forward.
I am impressed with all you folks put in to your projects! I mean, you started out with a few derelict buildings and look at where you are now! The way you approach things with viewer input, your own skills, the environment, the fire threat, the local laws and the practical reuse of materials takes a lot of research and work! Geeze!
The thing is, you folks are pioneers at this! People can learn from your experiences! You have supplied a real service 'model' that can be followed for eons! You're doing awesome!
Thanks for sharing your journey and involving your viewers!
Whilst €300k is a lot of money, once spread out amongst all of us, it becomes much more manageable (as with everything you share with us through your content!).
I like the idea of people buying a brick, or sponsoring the planting of native trees.
I think this kind of project might make them eligible for grant money as well. Someone who knows about those streams needs to research that avenue.
I would consider redoing the building as an "earthshiip", there are few in Spain. I'm sure you can find an expert to come help you build one using the local rubbish dump for materials. Also you could use the dirt from around the farm
Earthbags/hyperadobe might be a better option than using tires and earth. Though it's quite a learning process, and maybe not one to do a large building as the first attempt. Also, since they have plenty of trees there (many of which need to be cut down for fire safety), using the trees would seem to be a more locally resourceful option that's also pretty reliable for building without a ton of experience.
Earth ships are made by compacting earth into tires which are highly carcinogenic they break down even while buried into the ground and they leach poison into your surrounding area...
Poison that you done ingest when you eat the stuff that you grow inside the earthship.😢
I used to love earthships until I found out
Considering the risk on fire, in my opinion, the most sustainable way of building, is to build it with materials that are (more) fire resilient. So, for instance, brick built walls with cork insulation on the outside, concrete beams with concrete or brick inlaid roofs with traditional roof tiles on top etc.
No plastic window frames, no sandwichpanel roofs or walls (at least the ones filled with xps foam) etc).
We live in the same region, and what we usually see, is that houses burn because of the used materials (mainly wood). Even stone houses where only the roof beams are wood, burn down, just because of these beams catching fire. Not by direct fire, but because of the intense heat that goes through the roof tiles.
The planners have set you a challenge and done you a favour regarding the old ruin. The question section was very good, good questions and answers, especially about community living. I also loved seeing all the different nationalities present, just wish the world thought the same way.
For the walls i suggest looking at Laura Kampf's old house rebuild! She uses something similar to cob/hay&clay mix but prefab into bricks with a special pressed woodfibre outer layer to fully insulate and make the cob bricks waterproof
The old bricks could be reused to build raised garden beds
Love this idea. Most materials people consider leach things out messing with the soil. Weathered old brick with handy drainage holes could be perfect.
You guys love the term sketchy, but that building is on another level in that regard!😮
You should strip the community center to just the bare essentials to get it approved structurally so you can start building, that way you can probably get it to under 100-150k which is manageable through a burst of crowdfunding. With the plans not dependent on the interior you can then start using the space (with just the walls and a roof) and slowly build it out further over time.
I like how you get so many different people answering the questions. I'd love to live a similar kind of life, but I'll probably never get the chance to now, so I'll live it through you guys!
Have you ever thought about rammed earth structure wall? It’s very good for heat retention in the winter and heat protection in the summer and the soil can be locally sourced from your land. The rammed earth walls don’t only look nice when finished but also are structural walls that can support a large structure. The rammed earth walls are fire proof as well. The materials are fairly cheap since it’s just dirt and sometimes cement. You might get lucky with the dirt you have on your land in terms of the way it sticks to itself when it’s damp. Rammed earth is very sustainable building technique and can be replicated anywhere in the world.
Or this: th-cam.com/video/pctYGwaqb2Y/w-d-xo.html
For community building documentation, it would be good to have a process for exit interview of anyone who visits and be recorded for data collection and psycology part of the project
Excellent idea 🙂
nice moderator and film maker. very pleasant and authentic
And their twin as well! 😁
I'm working with a local group who have some very similar goals to you folks, and I came up with a specific vision for them that might work well for you as well. I call it the Politics of Art. Specifically, the aim is to use traditionally proven techniques to create spaces (physical, emotional, and intellectual) that support individual exploration of artisanal solutions to individuals' needs.
It's complex, but the gist of it is having a centralized system that does the groundwork, and only the groundwork, for giving individuals the freedom to explore and create unique, personal options for taking great care of themselves and others.
Another way to say it is the organizing that has to happen to achieve maximum meaningful play.
Good to see y'all thinking about an integrated modular master plan for Project Kamp.
Some thought points - I'm sure y'all must've thought of these & many more and incorporated some as per convenience already!
1) Work day division - work time / community cultural time / meditation or exercise time / personal time / etc ... along with credits system.
2) Content creation / product creation should preferably be a part of every one's routine. Recipie / work plans / documentation / small gift items / drawings / etc.
3) Create a physical library and assign duties to keep it up to date.
4) interface with acedemia - in order to keep yourself updated and to get some acredation (if possible) so as to be able to issue some certificates to people enrolling in Project Kamp on some skills.
5) invite people for stays / workshops from other such efforts worldwide to share best practices.
Idea #1 - wood chips + fine mud + limestone powder / crushed stone powder could help you make building blocks that could be Sun baked (Summers) or fire baked (Mimosa) + reinforced with iron bars. Tree sap can be repurposed as a glue (people have done these things before).
Loved the style of the q&a. Great banter
Nice video, and I liked the Q&A format. I think that for the community center you'll have to limit how much wood you are going to use, a big building makes it harder to maintain. Where I live that feels pretty similar to the climate of your camp I'm used to seeing external timber being re-painted every couple of years (but with chemical coats and paints) or the wood after a few years gets moldy and starts decaying. For a small construction is not a big deal to take care of but for the community center...
One of the most important sustainable factors is your energy and your interest. As far as I can tell from the video updates, it seems like you are keeping these factors in mind, and balancing work and rest, mission and leisure. I also appreciate that your pace seems sustainable - while you all work very hard, you don't seem to be burning yourselves out. If I am incorrect in this observation, please address in a future video.
Thank you team, a very informative update. Wishing each and everyone a chill downtime. You deserve it.
I like the way you also focus on the inner community building and the vision
You should definitely use hempcrete/hemp lime. It has several advantages:
1) Easy to use and safe. Which would cut down on skilled labour.
2) High insulation value.
3) Fire resistant.
4) Environmentally friendly. It actually acts like a carbon sink and can be easily maintained and even re-used.
5) Deals well with high humidity and prevents mold growth.
6) Quick. With a small team, a pan mixer and some plywood or other similar sheeting, you can put up the walls within a week.
and also
7) Can be easily sourced in many countries (unlike local stones) and thus is more applicable for other people trying to replicate the building
8) Can be transported and applied without heavy machinery, just manual labor
9) Can also be used as a floor insulation (maybe adding expanded clay granulate like Leca)
10) Can be experimented with (eg. using local straw instead hemp, using different lime types or clay). If the goal is to open source the design, it could be helpful to test a variety of building techniques and materials.
11) Cheap!
and 12) It's a perfect combination for an internal wooden frame structure, because it is breathable and preserves the wood it gets in contact with. No need for membranes, foils, foam or other isolators.
Is there such a thing as mimosa-crete?!
Hemp lime seems more compatible with the region than straw bale. Rainy seasons would eliminate straw bale as a contender. With all that acreage, they might even be able to grow their own hemp for the project and barter/pay their neighbor to harvest it for them. This solution seems very viable.
Goats would definitely help manage the land if you have a movable containment system. And you can sell the milk and the babies. Or make soap and cheese for sale. Letting the goats maintain the areas you can't mow would create free time for other projects.
Suggestion:
If you get the right equipment you could probably recycle a lot more plastic. Recycling a lot more plastic will help overcome a number of challenges.
A. you can probably set up a deal with the municipality for them to bring the plastic to you (for recycling) and to pay you for taking it which will help with the monetary challenge and help secure steady funding.
B. Recycling the plastic would be a good use for the extra energy that you produce during summer.
C. The thing that you can make with the plastic during summer is building blocks to use later for building during winter.
Plastic blocks are good insulators, strong, long lasting, water resistant, And could be made into easy to use and functional building materials like blocks or sheets.
D. The blocks could be used to build the walls in the building you're making and later be covered with hempcrete to protect the blocks from the sun and prevent microplastics and offgasing.
This will provide a safe affordable & easy to use building material. It will help with your mission of living sustainably. It will provide more money to the camp. And it will strengthen your connection to the local community. While also converting your extra energy that currently is going to waste into useful materials at virtually less than zero cost.
People love a building project! You might be surprised at the support to be gained by some sort of crowdfunding opportunity.
Yes! Goats please! They are so much fun watching them jumping around. They are also great for mowing the lawn for free. No electricity needed. Lol! I vote for goats and chickens if you ever want a second animal. Love your videos and watching the progress over time.
I grew up on a goat farm and they are wonderful animals, ours were as friendly as dogs.
They will eat and eat, BUT they will eat everything you don't want them to touch and completely ignore the areas you want them to maintain.
If they're going to free range, I suggest really good fencing around your food gardens/orchard to keep them out. And any flowering plants that you're partial to, I've watched them strip a rose bush in under 10 minutes...thorns be damned apparently 🤣
Otherwise...YES!!! get goats, I love them!!
Go for the crowdfunding! Happy to chip in for the great content, vibes & love you’re putting out there.
For the community building could you make it out of shipping containers? Making the building modular and then arrange them for footprint/space to make it more repeatable for other locations. This would also make them temporary structures - easy to add too as crowd/need increases.
Ads are a great income source for a project with such a platform like yours, and that shouldn't be disregarded.
Thank you for the update. The design for the community center is super cool, I can't wait to see what it will look like.
Also, I definitely like the idea of getting animals. They can help you so much, even beyond the food they can produce. And what about producing some of your own food? Do you have any plans for growing your own crops?
Loving watching this channel evolve!
I need to say a huge thank you for realising that government & bureaucracy MUST exist in any new society we may create. Rules and regulations will still be important to protect the vulnerable amongst us from those who would exploit them for their own purposes and ends.
You may be interested to read the SciFi novel, “The Dispossessed”: It is actually more about Anthropology, Individualism/Collectivism, Anarchy/Capitalism (of new & old societies) 🤠
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dispossessed?wprov=sfti1#
Great video! And some excellent suggestions popping up in the comments! I agree with all these: earthship, more toilets! Keep the plumbing short by having all “wet” nearby, goats and chickens.
every week has so many beautiful camera shots and very neat and informative for all the vidoes about the current challenges and strategies that you guys use to create wonderful community spaces shipping containers for dried food storage and tools and recycled materials storage including the sustainable poop toilet you guys built from cans for the roof that was pure magic you guys also create amazing vegan and vegetarian meals with sustainably sources and grown fruits and vegetables from your neighbours every meal is very colourful and you also create amazing toturials of how to create amazing rich and fresh loafs of bread and baggutes . You guys should invest in getting hydroponic farming towers because there great for growing herbs/spices and vegetables they would be a great fit in the new plan of creating a community space that can accommodate 50 people . Carbon fibre panels for native plants are great for planting native trees/flowers/bushes and flowering mosses and great sizes for small and big decks thank you guys this video had so much useful and helpful information to get creative about building community spaces/tiny homes or cabins !
I don't know why but that spoon microphone gets me every time.
Hi, maybe you should try to use a polarizing filter, it removes glare from the leaves and it would look greener, the sky would be bluer. Overall it would be a good upgrade.
18:08 I spy a big digger in the top left corner. What is that doing I wonder?
Congratulations on the progress and achievements so far, creating such an inspirational value. Resulting from the decision to bring down the ruined/weak structure to build the community center from scratch, there will inevitably be a huge mass of rubble.. including brittle bricks, cement blocks, etc. Most (or at least some) of the components of the wreckage rubble could be used for terracing, paving, maybe even for an additional pond for rainwater harvesting. Metals (iron bars etc.) harvested from the rubble can probably be sold. All the best of solidarity and luck for the prospected plans.
If they use scaffolding to deconstruct I think they'll be able to salvage many of the bricks. Depending on how many they can save, someone mentioned raised beds which I like. I imagine they might be useful shoring up the waters edge to prevent soil erosion & bramble growth on creek edge, the water line at swimming areas or even fill in heavily used stairs Julie made that might be prone to washing away with heavy rains. The crumbled bits can be mixed with ash and spent mortar to improve ruts/potholes on the roads or a gravel drive where vehicles are impacting the ground too much. Lots of uses. No need for any of it to go in a landfill.
You should consider a solar water heat system. Panels can be made from recycled materials and old waterheater tanks can be used for storage. It has the potential to supply heating and hot water for the community centre year around.
I love how the videos are made by the whole team! Juanita, love your thoughts on how to approach building a vision, and what that looks like with multiple people involved!
Sad to learn that the old brick building is very unstable and falling apart, and will have to be partially disassembled for a new structure to be build at its place, but seeing those designs being so modern yet reusing materials like the plastic bricks, can't wait to see what becomes of this area.
The 2nd or 3rd plans look good but i would build a 4 season green house on to it to help begin your growing season(starters) and grow some tropical plants . Plus you can use one outside wall for the green house , as an idea.
so it would oversimplify gardening if you got chickens, what you do is have 2 chicken runs and run 1 gets used for a 3-5 month growing season, and run 2 is used for the chickens, and then after you harvest you swap them. what is good about this system is the chickens fertilize and remove weeds, and it makes managing a garden much easier
Dirt superadobe or hyperadobe bags. Outside the bag cost it is just labor. Dirt can come from your own land. Structure cost is very economically priced compared to other sustainable building methods... also look up Earthships. That is even cheaper as it uses used tires. cams and bottles and can be completely off grid.... This is what I believe you are looking for. As it would use the hillside to cool in summer and the mass would aid in heating cost. Most earthisp recycle 100% of your bio waist in built in gardens... Earthships Is the most exciting and fits your land in so many ways as the best way to go forward...
It looks very modern but maybe it would be good to use the decoration pattern we are seeing in a lot of 1800's 1900's building. It makes them more time proof and less subject to become out dated
Looking forward to the new community building project, I do recommend getting some animals on the land, maybe some chickens and goats
20:42 Respect for Tincho for the yerba mate
A great progress ahead - with nice plans... But nowadays it is quite basic for each room to have its proper bathroom with toilet. E.g. 6 people could be put in one room with separating curtains / paper walls in between to make it more comfortable and intimate. This means that you need ca. 8 of these rooms with 8 bathrooms with toilets plus min. 2 toilets with washing basins outside, by the dining room. You could ask for some money for this comfort...
Good luck! 😊
Did I spot some bright yellow earth moving equipment peeking out from behind the office building at 18:10? Being used to remove tree stumps perhaps?
You should probably use stone,granite for the structure and you should remove the bricks because they are a strucual hazzard
He says they have given up the idea of trying to use any of the old, burned and weak building for the new project. Hooray! I never understood the utility of try to save the first building that was complete junk! The work schedule should include at least a day per week cutting the unsafe trees and the sprouts which will grow into a huge fire hazard in no time! Those trees were planted as a biomass fuel crop and that is exactly what they are; either removed or in place on the Kamp.
They should find a way to use mimosas for building. They have plenty of them... Might as well use them
Mimosas are grown for firewood in huge steam generation plants or ...they are firewood where they stand. The place was cheap because it has recently burned, and the regrowth is either harvested or is fuel for another conflagration in the same location. @@BennieThundaChunk
I believe Project Kamp isn’t going for efficiency or utility when it comes to preserving the old ruins, part of their ethos is being sustainable and not bringing in new materials if possible, for environmental, and preservationist/historic reasons. That is a great part about them, they don’t treat the land as ruins or junk and start from scratch, they use what they have and reinforce and retrofit as best they can. It’s sad that the municipality is essentially forcing them to start from scratch.
Preserve the ruin as some sort of greenhouse that is not required to be safe for human occupation. They seem to now understand that re use of an already unsafe and substandard building is not wise. The construction of some sort of wildfire refuge should be in the most immediate plans. Look at the huge regrowth of the mimosa trees in the background of a few shots. Another scorching summer and some of their killing the trees and leaving them standing is a recipe for disaster. @@tythetasmaniantiger7
So much smarter for the long term health and viability of the building to not be limited by the current structure. It will allow you to really put things where you want them, better insulate and better use the building. I would use some granite and then also hempcrete since you are relying in possibly unproffesional labor to do the building. Hempcrete is easier to work with for amatuers.
Have you considered building the community center using the rammed earth technique? Low cost but labor intensive.
If you're going to have that many plastic bricks, use them for formwork for rammed earth walls. It will be cheap to build with the labour force you have.
Regarding the community centre maybe you could think about implementing some earth ship principles. The Eco first thinking of earthships would be a perfect fit for project kamp. Keep up the great work. Greets from Germany
Have you thought of planting olive trees and cork trees? Olives to make your own olive oil and cork to (one day) provide an income from selling the cork bark. Investigate government grants, farming subsidies and money from charities such as Lottery to fund building work. Thanks for sharing Project Kamp.
You need a draft horse to help with moving the cut down mimosas, pulling stumps, or pulling a cart!
Keep in mind the run off water that comes off the slope! Otherwise it can cause a lot of problems inside the building
Goats are a great way of keeping areas from growing back after you have cleared, but only if you can control where they will be. You could end up with a bare herb garden and overgrown undergrowth.😬👍
A suggestion for cooling would be “cool tubes”; pipes that are open on both ends, but run underground to pick up the cooler temps in the earth. Works well with slopes and low humidity which it sounds like you have in the summers.
Hey everyone. I watch every video since the project camp started. I love the philosophy. And I see there is 600+ subscribers.
I know if I had an easy way to give £1 I would and it takes half of subscribers to give 1Є/£1 to reach 300000 for new project.
One option to consider is a modular design for the community center, which reduces the initial cost, grows with the project, and may be easier for administrative work with the municipality.
And I think it is more sustainable by allocating resources when they are needed.
nice video. I really like how you are experimenting with different styles in videos
As a sociologist this is such an interesting journey I have to say! :D Especially with the questions of how to document all of this! Really fascinating episode this week!
50 people is a lot. You probably need multiple living spaces, bathrooms, and should absolutely consider a library space. People will want to disperse and collect into smaller groups so having multiple spaces for people to collect (and have meetings) is something I would consider. Depending on what you envision for the future, you may also want to set aside a recording studio (is that the technical space?).
Speaking about materials:
Recycling of natural material is the path to follow, but for long term projects sometime it isn't the best way to deal with the project.
Using long lasting material saves time on maintenance, leaving that time for more productive activities.
Insulating panels recovered from scrapyards are good if not damaged from heat or sun, and a layer of plastic to make wool insulation waterproof isn't a big issue, you are part of the world, and it isn't that small quantity of plastic making a difference, if it saves you time to work on the project.
The same is for motor vehicles.
However, for the Diesel pickup, you probably can run it with waste vegetable oil.
I have my old waste vegetable oil centrifuge I made for cleaning it sitting on a shelf for over a decade, since I'm using lpg as fuel for my car, if you need it I can give it to you.
If interested just write me a direct message!
you on right track with Solar ....but dont forget WIND in the winter.....and the building will grow as the community grows
Goats are a risk. If they escape, then anything you have planted for food, you can almost guarantee that those plants will be the first thing that they will destroy/eat to the ground.
If you are going to tear the old building down, have you considered breaking the bricks up and then using the pieces in the ditches on either side of the tracks. Hopefully, this would stabilise the tracks and stop erosion of the centre of the tracks??? Perhaps on sections where the water wants to cross from one side of the track to the other and dig a new channel across the track, stabilise the new channel with mimosa wood and broken bricks. It's recycling at its finest.
I have come to really look forward to your Monday upload. It's my time to chill. Thanks.
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I think you need goats, pigs and some cows in order to have them feeding amongst the trees and keeping the mimosas down, whilst keeping the fruit and oak trees. You will also need the more sails to force more water into the ground and the animal droppings for fertilization. maybe you could only seasonal "rent" animals to do that, thus you do not have to worry about caring for the animals in winter
You could buy & ship 300 expensive containers..or buy the sheet metal machine for 15k to make the containers,fill the grounds with containers without planning then cut the red brick/local stone/wood/no natural fabric/plastic recreate any facade. A nod to the original build and the practically of the containers . Also definitely guniea pigs & rabbits for the forest ❤💚
YES
Goats would be GOOD!
Take care of your brambles and if you park them close to the mimosas sprouting again they will also take "care" of that problem. And in return you get, Bramble and weed control and "poop" (which is great for biogass generator), Milk, Cheese, "Natilla"
Great explanation of the building regulations, thanks.
I'm so happy you aren't trying to reuse that old building. You can tell its barely holding together and those dodgy hollow bricks that its made of, which appear sketchy, fragile and weak. I also wouldn't trust the cement trusses holding that building up. Did they use the right cement mix, use rebar to add strength and/or the right thickness to hold up the structure up. You don't know because it wasn't permitted and didn't pass any inspections. I'd also put a handicap toilet on the first floor in case someone can't go up the steps. Putting all the toilets on the 2nd floor, is problematic. FYI, I'm a city planner. I've seen videos of people make two story buildings out of bamboo.
These challenge(s) were more entertaining variation than just qyestons and answers. The new building's design will morph in time, # of occupants, money raised/funded/saved. From the ground up. But fifty year round or peak? Can be framed in sections and huilt seasonally. Would like to see mixed sized stacked containers on concrete bases, color, angles, decks, walkouts, etc.
I think straw and clay could be great! It's a great thermal mass, and it's cheap, you could even source all your materials on-site! Clay is super common and you've got a hay field.
Building material: If you have a local source for clay, cobb could incorporate some of the broken bricks and it is very fire resistant. It's also very conducive to individuals working over a period of time; it helps to build the roof first. Straw bale has great thermal mass and is also fire resistant, but it does make use of post & beam which are not. Cobb and straw bale can be incorporated in the same structure. Granite would make a good foundation or could be used for sections; granite inclusions could be fitted into cobb walls. Lots of possibilities.
Straw bale doesn't like moisture, it tends to mold. The rainy seasons won't agree with it. Hempcrete with a lime stucco will tolerate humidity and rain. th-cam.com/video/cm23l_VLyp4/w-d-xo.html
Rammed earth th-cam.com/video/hLu2gxsVBe0/w-d-xo.html
You should get a couple of those electric fly swatters to deal with the fly problem
makes it much easier to kill the flies cause you can hit em mid air and they get zapped
Include at least a granite facade, as it is typical of the area to have old granite buildings, it might get you some points with the municipality project approval. Also, the goats are proven to be good for managing the flora, but add a lot of overhead in time and resources (shelter, healthcare and feed). If you could arrange with a local Sheppard to include your property as a periodic stop maybe would be the best of both worlds for you.
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Use trees you cut for building materials and cut some more if needed also stone and concrete for lowers walls recycled bricks . Very cool love your videos
I read once that its not allowed for a big building like that. Accept you have a frontworker with masters in hand and mashinery, which can proove the elastics of the wood and other materials.
best repel flies include oil of lemon eucalyptus, lemongrass, catnip, citronella, & cinnamon. Maybe plant a few of these around camp; see how it cuts back on the bugs.
Keep up with the good work guys! Greetings from Greece!
amazing vertical garden designs and green vine flowers for outside and planning the project using sustainable materials and fitting all the living and working places flawlasy great job
Mimosa usage:
Biochar on site with killn method. no need to drag the stuff around to much. and after inacculation work it into the land directly. can use the stems and make the char from the branches.
can use stems after drying for heating in winter or build warmwater boiler for heatedshower, or maybe make a siteproject build a sauna cabin.
btw the debarked and dead trees should be dried enouth to make charcoal directky without much smoke.
killn method- just digging inte the ground reverse pyramide shape
Cool design for the community center. ☺👍
You might want at least one bathroom on the kitchen level in case someone has difficulty with stairs?
Granite should help mediate temperature between day and night if done right.
Cork insulation or wool or denim.
Can you build a medium sized building first (say 50k euro) then move into the big one? Could be an event space, like if someone wants to get married on a farm.
Or build the shell then finish as you go?
I think incorporating some kind of earth-bermed or earth-sheltered structure would be wise. Dig deeper into the earth - no upkeep on that buried, plus it regulates temperature and will not burn. As others have suggested, that is basically an "earth ship". But there are other earth bermed structures for example I would also suggest the design of the "Hockerton Housing Project" in the UK. It's a very similar vibe of what you're doing - they have beehives, solar, water cleaning on site and because the houses are earth bermed they use much less energy for domestic needs. Plus the temp is well regulated in hot AND cold weather. Yes, it may be an up front CO2 cost for concrete, but the long-term CO2 expenditure on heating, cooling, plus the resiliency of an earth-bermed structure to fire, maintenance... really good design!
Looking good....the interior is mostly hard surfaces, and the sound might reverberate to much, making it less comfortable. Suggest improving the acoustics with soft surfaces.
I'd like a monthly update in the winter, but it's OK to take the time off, you deserve it.