RIP Casey kasem. You were a big part of my childhood with this, transformers, scooby doo and superfriends. Excellent voiceover artist as well as the top 40 countdown.
Aside from the censorship, The original Japanese one has so much emotion and energy. The voice actors gave their 100%. On the other hand.... the US one the voice actors kinda didn't give a crap.
Ok, I feel robbed. This is such a different story. I love the addition of the robots and their commentary overall, but disappointed to see their purpose was to sugar coat every thing, and how different the original story sounds
Oh, don't worry. ADV localised Gatchaman uncut in the 2000s, so you can get the original version with translated dialogue as close to the Japanese scripts as possible, if that's what you want.
@Will iam bro as a 45+ year old adult, I see what you are saying. Maybe they developed the concept of adult cartoons 20 years before us. But to watch the American version next to the Japanese version, I felt short changed!
As an adult I shake my head in despair at how much was lost of the original spirit. As a ten year old watching this I probably slept better. If it had stuck to the original I would have been clutching my sheets, muttering "Can't sleep, lest the cold indifference of the Universe consume me and destroy all that I hold dear."
@Egie Asemota: Nigeria created their own dubs from the Japanese original? (I was always under the impression the rest of the world got what the Americans did with it after buying it from Japan...)
Even the English version had a lot of revolutionary stuff for prime time audiences, specifically zoltar (berg katse) being a hermaphrodite. I also loved how princess (jun) was strong and never needed rescuing like the tired helpless woman trope in America. Then there were all the minions actually dying when stuff exploded ... pretty gritty for the time.
@@julietfischer5056 I watched the American edited version and zoltar definitely had long blonde hair and red lipstick in the final episode when he was unmasked. I don't remember if anything was stated as to his gender, but I always assumed he could either change it or was a hermaphrodite.
I grew up in the 70's in Japan. We only had one TV, no VCR. Everyone in the family got to watch the same show, no matter what the theme or tone may be. My parents would chime in with comments like "this is good" and "holy crap". They never passed judgement on anything. Good old days
Wow! I saw this on Battle of the Planets when I was a kid -- never would have dreamed that the Japanese original was so deep, and full of sacrifice and suffering. I guess that is the difference between a Japanese audience and that of a 9 year old Kansas City boy, like me.
Sandy Frank changed the whole premise of the series by setting each episode on an “alien “ planet, cashing in on the hot Star Wars craze. Gotchaman was always set on earth and their foes were terrorist, not alien. As a kid, I wonder why every alien planet looked like earth.
7 Zark 7 always perplexed me. He just sat around talking to the audience and never added much to the story. Only after reading about the cuts and the Gatchaman original did I understand what he was doing there. Bloody awful.
I think removing the scene showing Ken was really pissed at the situation and throws his weapon in frustration, means it’s losing something else as well.
I get that it wouldn't have made sense for Ken to get mad for things ending "well" in the dub but I agree it is a shame. Ken getting mad and doing something pointless like throwing his crescent at the moon out of anger is one of my favorite parts. Heroes don't always get to do stuff like that.
In the JP version, G1 showed way more frustrations. At some point he was way too desperate he sprayed a Galactor spy with a fire extinguisher to make make him talk
Bad acting, dumbing down the script, removing references to Romeo and Juliet, having them "Shadow Realm'd" instead of killed, changing names just for the sake of it, stock footage of comic relief characters, everything that could go wrong did
Some folks first saw it in the '80's (perhaps as another '80's dub called "G-Force") but THIS first English version was actually released in 1978 and edited not only to cut out the violence, and slightly more adult themes of the original Japanese show (1972-74), but also to pander to a new "Star Wars" generation of the late-'70's, hence the title. Original Gatchaman took place entirely on Earth but "Battle of the Planets" used a little space footage from the original show to suggest that they were often traveling to other worlds to have their adventures! Overall, it's way less racist than the editing concept of "Power Rangers" but it was equally manipulative and offered a similarly diminished final result. But, I can attest, it was STILL very exciting to see as a boy in 1978, as I'm sure Power Rangers was for kids in the early '90's!
Hello, I remember the G-force (guardians of space.) Can you please tell me where I can buy DVD with that english version?? Not this one in the video....
Power rangers wasnt racist..cheesy...yes..not racist. I swear something happened to academia in the late 90s on. They indoctrinated the kids to be an constantly offended army looking to call anything racist or climate change. (Even tho the iriginal Japanese gatchiman dealt with pollution issues) i think captain planet screwed to many american kids up
@@toasteee252 Just to explain, I'm not trying to cancel anything, I think modern Power Rangers is MUCH better but, c'mon, the "black" ranger was an African American and the "yellow" ranger was Asian?!! But that's not the worst part to me, it's that I'm older and I grew up happily watching Tokusatsu dubbed, as a kid, but Saban felt it was more lucrative to re-cast the original Asian actors with Western actors, as if we couldn't relate to the Asian actors. How are both of those things not a little suspect?
@@Jolar70 too much violence and sex...plain and simple...there was still some things adults didn't want us to see. Someways letting kids be kids back then for longer was better. I never knew the stuff they cut out in star blazers back when it first ran. Was surprised when i picked up a magazine about it 12 years later. So you are saying saban was racist? Are you sure that you are allowed to say that. I have to check my book, i dont think he is white...i could be wrong tho. Of course the original had no white or black people in it. How racist are those japanese. Get a grip. This is when diversity crap started coming out. I still think captain planet ruined kids back then.
@@toasteee252 What I really meant by Power Rangers being a racist concept was that there was the obvious clunkiness of having the black ranger being an African American, and the yellow ranger being Asian American, etc., but that's not what I was getting at. It was the need to remove the original Japanese actors from the show, as if we couldn't sympathize with that cast. We needed a western cast or it was going to be too foreign(?). Yes, dubbing dialogue is weird and artificial, but, when I was a kid, it didn't stop me from LOVING Godzilla and Ultraman and Gamera and any Japanese tokusatsu or anime I could get my hands on. Haim Saban is Israeli.
Dang, I'm amazed at the huge difference. I grew up in Puerto Rico and when it aired on TV when I was a kid, we got it translated to Spanish from Mexico I guess, and we got the original translation, violence, blood and all. I remember bawling my eyes at that scene. It's perhaps one of the most vivid memories I have of G-Force (how it was called when it aired in PR). I'm so sorry you guys had to watch that atrocity in the US.
@@michaellee2387 You have this impression cause Puerto Rico is a US territory (as in, good old-fashion colonization) but it is not part of the country (as is Hawaii, a former territory promoted to state in 1959).
Alway's knew 7-Zark-7 was a lying bastard. He explained away Jason's headaches ("he got better") and this was a major plot point in the original Gatchaman.
Funny how they had to dumb-down the ending for U.S. audiences. I remember watching Starblazers when I was in grammar school and the captain died at the end of season 1 of radiation poisoning. At the time the ONLY cartoon I had ever seen where an established character died.
I distinctly remember seeing this episode back in 2011 or so, after I was aware of the Americanized version (I first saw it back in 1981). And in 2013 it was really clear they had changed the ending and had the R2-D2 kind of robot narrating a different ending.
I'm British so we got the American version with the robot. I loved it! I had no idea it was even Japanese. Basically I liked the way the characters could fly around. Its as simple as that. As an adult, of course the Japanese version is... well... it has more umami!
This reminds me on Saber Rider. I didn't know, that it was a Anime from Japan because in germany, we had the American Version. Not only the planets were changed from our Solar System Planets to american named places, but it was more kid friendly. Instead of killing each other, the Outrider shot with stun blasters and when they were hit, they went back to the Vapor Zone (Phantom Zone in our dub). I first saw the differences of the original and the american version as a adult and man.. the original japanese version is a lot harder
I grew up on Battle of the Planets, but when I seen the original Gatchaman I thought it would be so funny to take the original Japanese scenes where Ken had just slice some bad guy's throat, cut to an American scene just before the blade hits the neck to have 7 Zark 7 explain, "it's a good things those are just robots," and have the scene cut back to the original Japanese scene, you see the bad guy clutching at his neck as blood is spraying everywhere, then the scene cuts back to 7 Zark 7 who's obviously surprised by blood and violence he just witnessed, but still has a job to do so he says, "yeah kids, those are just robots. That's not blood, that's... red hydraulic fluid." :) But I want to do an entire episode that way, keep all of the original Japanese blood and violence and edit in 7 Zark 7 to futilely try to explain away the blood and violence and just look like the idiot he is for doing so. :D
It's a good thing the Gatachaman episodes in their uncensored versions are available dubbed in English. I did not care for BOTP anymore once I learned the Japanese version was better plus I enjoyed seeing the Gatchaman series dubbed in English. I think BOTP was too watered down and too cartoonish.
As a kid, I watched BotP. But, as an adult, the maturity and complexity of Gatchaman seems much more engaging. BotP sucks compared to Gatchaman judging on this clip!
I remember watching this on TV in the late 70s. Battle of the Planets was a true favorite for me when I got home from school as a kid. I remember our tv was next to the kitchen and mom was always making something good for dinner, and I enjoyed watching these shows.
Wow, I grew up with BOTP in Canada when it first aired and this is the first time I actually see the difference with the original Gatchman. Kind of funny to think about how I wasn't being shown an original series. Still fond memories though....
I think Japanese cartoons weren't always intended for kids. Early in our history, that was true as well. The Flintstones weren't initially meant for kids and was meant to be a more animated version of the Honeymooners.
As a Japanese, I can’t say which one is better for children. And I think everyone knows there’s no perfect way. Maybe respecting the original message as possible under the guidelines your country have is the only thing you can work on. And the guidelines are different in countries for a reason.Japan has lost a war, a-bombs was dropped, we did Kamikaze attacks...etc. That brings the feelings, that there will be failures and loosing and defeat in life, no matter you tried hard. It hurts but you shouldn’t give up. That’s the way we take things. But I feel in the US there was a atmosphere back in those era that “trying hard and wish 100% ,you will win it so always be positive and challenge” kind of mind.( I think US has changed nowadays)
There is one Gatchaman episode in which Ken(mark) and Joe (Jason) beat each other up for a full 1,5 minute. It has been completely removed from Battle of the planets. They don't even argue in there. It resulted that from one scene into the other you see that they are both bruised without explaining why. So I say Gatchaman forever :)
Most of the animes, such as Speed Racer, Marine Boy, and Space Battleship Yamato (Star Blazers) during that time, when introduced to Western audiences, other than redubbing the language, they too were re-edited and changed the dialogue of the plot, to appease the censors and younger audience members. Even watching the others in their original Japanese dialogue and unedited version, they were much better.
When you say "western" you actually refer to the English Dubbing... I grew up watching anime and it was super violet and sexually charged... The dubbing was done in Mexico...
The reason they edited it because they thought American kid audiences couldnt handle the reality of the story line. It sounds stupid, but hey, it was the 70's.
I was 6 in 1978 when I first saw that scene and I don't know if I could have processed seeing the two lovers exploding. I know that audiences in Japan have traditionally been more open to sex and violence in their animation but was Gatchaman perhaps aimed at a slightly older audience than Battle of the Planets was?
I was 5 when BotP first aired in the US. So it was the version I was exposed to at an early age. After having been able to see a few Gatchaman episodes, I understand the stories and pace were much better, even if they were more PG-13. It would not have been an appropriate show for me back in 1978, but it is very enjoyable now. But I admit to feel very nostalgic for the US version. Admitedly, the US version is the inferior product, but it was still the version that captivated my young mind so many years ago. So I like both version; the quality of the original, and the nostalgia of the US version. If I could, I’d like to have copies of both complete versions.
Mark was Shaggy as well as Robin. The Japanese version had Ken played by Speed Racer's VA who also played Nail, Tekkaman and OVA!Polnareff, and Romina was played by Kenshiro's VA who played Ryouma in Getter Robo, Ryo in City Hunter, and Kinnikuman.
wow .... completely different story lines .... !! and i did watch B o P when as was at kid .... i feel ive got cheated got the get the Japaneses version now
Good lord!! I couldn't believe the narration at the end of the American version. At least they kept the kiss in. Battle of the Planets was my very favorite show as a child. I need to find where I can watch the subtitled Gatchaman so I can see it right!
The dub renaming the two characters to get away from "Romeo and Juliet" was a good call. Nominative determinism is alive and well in Gatchaman. All I can think of is this clip: th-cam.com/video/ch-BsAv1UfA/w-d-xo.html
Wow what a huge difference but man the BOTP version still brings back such fond memories...I must of been 4 or 5 when I watched the cartoons so it kinda makes sense they edited the original Gatchaman the way they did...thanks for sharing!
Wow, I saw the B of the P version ages ago. It's amazing the difference between the original version and this one. Not just from the censored-out violence of the original, but the fact that the hero sounds like Casey Kasem (which he is) and the scenes with an R2D2 clone voiced by Mr. Ed's co-star. Weren't the 70's wacky?
Japan knew how to face reality, and did the best they could to come to terms by being strong in soul and spirit regardless of what happens to the body. That's why as a kid, I always loved the ORIGINAL Japanese Anime as it had TRUE realistic emotions compared to the "fairy tale" lies made to blind us from reality by the English dubbing...which I ALWAYS find disgusting beyond disgusting...no sense of effort in the voice acting and the whole story is made up to be rosy and happy endings...which is pure bullshit. I have nothing but respect for Japan as they are IN YOUR FACE and they show the horrors of life directly to the children so they will be strong and tough when they face the world. My daughter is also shown the realities of life at a young age so she will not be a wimp when she grows up.
They did similar to "valley of the wind", remixing the order of some things and cutting others until it's original meaning was lost. It also caused many of the japanese animation studios to refuse to allow their titles to be licensed in any form here in america for a number of years.
HA HA HA!! the American version is such crap compared to the Japanese version. The original is so compelling and has a story , emotional, excellent acting .. while the American version ... geeeeez!!!! The actors (other then kasem) didnt act at all they just read the lines.
The Japanese version also seemed to have a Romeo & Juliet vibe going -- he's Romina and she's Julia. So, it's compelling, edgy, has missiles (which was hysterical [so the Japanese version isn't perfect]) AND has references to famous works of literature. The American version...has Shaggy doing the voice of Ken.
PlanitReality well said.. YOUR ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.. its like when they made the American version they thought that American kids were too stupid to grasp it. So its like an idiot version.
I wouldn't be too hard on the americans. we had to adapt the work to fit the broadcasting standards at the time. i mean think about it did anybody die in thundercats or gi joe? nope, and when they killed of optimums prime in transformers there actually was a big backlash from both kids and parents. honestly this is the best they could do at the time. the heart of the idea of romeo and Julite IS in the american version they just focused more on the whole "transendent power of love and the soul" part of that story rather then the tragic lives cut short side that the japanese version focused on. really, the use of the comet is pretty clever for the american dub because it and obvious (down right heavy handed) illusion to the souls of the lovers going to heaven. trust me those two are dead as doornails in both versions it's just the Japanese version is literal while the american version makes it more metaphorical.
I don't disagree, but I'm pretty sure the Japanese version was meant for a slightly older audience. I would have been happy if they had at least done something other than 7 zark 7. It was kind of typical of the entertainment industry back then to badly repackage popular themes, like R2-D2 from Star Wars. Either way, the Phoenix was much loved back in the day.
How can that be? Battle of the Planets (the "edited version" you speak of) came out 35 years ago this month, and it was the first version of Gatchaman screened here in the U.S.
The best characteristics of this awesome cartoon was completely lost in the American version. As a kid, I saw the Mandarin version of this show, which stayed true to the original spirits. When I came to the U.S. and saw the American version, I was so disappointed even as kid.
"You know what we need to do with this scene where two characters die and there's a touching moment afterwards, followed by a plea for peace? Remove it and then replace it with an erection joke. There's kids watching, after all."
I love watching this show growing up in the 70's, the guy who played Mark in this was Radio DJ and American Bandstand is Casey Kasem, he also voiced Robin in Batman, and he was the Autobot Cliffjumper
I don't think these moments with 7 zark 7 are very appropriate especially with Susan trying to "fill him in". "Let's get rid of this death scene and replace it with a sexual innuendo" what the hell kind of logic is that?!
Anybody else find it ironic that 7 Zark 7 started out waxing philosophical about love and ended up getting an electronic stiffy from a former sex hotline operator?
Thanks for replying. In the BOTP versio, Cronus was apparently killed by Zoltar's creeps. Did the same thing happen in Gatchman? I thought Cronus/Red Impulse was such a cool character and they shouldn't have killed him off.
Another victim of Bowdlerization in the 70s, even worse than what happened to Space Battleship Yamato when it became Star Blazers. It continued in the 80s as well, when Beast King GoLion and Armored Fleet Dairugger XV became Voltron. As a kid, SB, BotP, and Voltron were some of my favorite shows. As an adult, I still remember them all fondly, but seeing the originals they were based on makes them pale in comparison. The only thing I could say I like better is some of the music. Hoyt Curtin's work in BotP, and the theme for Voltron (don't know who did that yet), are really good work.
I watched BOTP in Canada and I remember this episode only that I remember them exploding, not "just vanishing". Could there be more than one BOTP edits?
The U.S. version wanted to make sure their children weren't traumatized! "They just.. vanished! But they're still together!" is 10 times less traumatizing than "The two androids kissed and then they detonated. Sadly, The Gatchaman Force was unable to save those two!"
Starblazers did stuff like this too. There was a scene where they threw a grenade in a "remote controlled tank". In Japanese it was just a tank and the guys died.
OMG idk why I saw the US version as a kid. The thing is, I thought it was incredible, but now watching the Japanese version I’m in shock! I need to go back in time and tell my younger self to watch the original version instead 😂
Amazing to think there were adults that thought western children couldn't possibly be exposed to human emotions or death BUT they could replace it with a highly sexualised conversation between two robots in its place. I'd love to know who the people were who censored the storyline. My bet would be on fundamentalist christians. And we wonder why there's so much mental health problems in our broken society today??
Dbvhchsdfdg Ghsxdghsty The western version of this show had all the violence and some of the panty shots cut out. You want me to draw you a picture fucknuts?
I could immediately tell the shows were edited from its tv debut when I was 12 and I already knew Japanese cartoons were more mature and violent. Then I would look at bodies in the backgrounds for clues to cut action scenes. I would always laugh whenever they'd say something like "Oooo, robot pilots!" The show still retained its power and the actors I thought did a good job with what they were given. More advanced than any Hanna Barbera! They did retain the episode where a character shoots himself in shadow which shocked me they didn't cut it!
The "G-Force" take on this scene was interesting. The couple was renamed to Sophia and Antonio, and while the dialogue between them and Ken/Ace was similar, their explanation as to how/why they were turned into cyborgs was needlessly made more convoluted. Also, they edited out the shot from 2:01-2:07 in this video, which was kept in BotP. And yes, the synth drumbeat was added to the silent portions of the scene. ;D I'll have to upload the G-Force version of this ep...
Even though I watched Battle of the Planets as a kid I'm glad I got to see the un-edited and superior Gatchaman when I was older. They buthered it twice in the U.S. Once as Battle of the Planets and again as G-Force.
@Arc13 Well it makes sense that a giant robot show deconstruction would be more noteworthy than other giant robot shows. But seriously, where did any of the Astro Boy shows rank on the IGN animation list?
Same here. While I respect Gatchaman I'll always think of this show as BATTLE OF THE PLANETS. I treat BotP and Gatchaman as two different shows with two different sets of characters, premises, names, etc. Both have their merits. However; That doesn't stop me from raggin on Sandy Frank and the crazy stuff he does to Japanese movies and TV shows. WORST DUBS OF GAMERA & GODZILLA EVER and dont get me started on TIME OF THE APES and FUGITIVE ALIEN.
I was born 1971. I remember my 2nd grade year BOTP came out. I didn't know until later there was 2 version of it. After seeing the commercial for BOTP I had an accident jumping off the back of my grandpa 73 Chevy into a barbwire line thinking I could fly like them on the commercial. PEACE from Allendale South Carolina.. still got the scar too.
Come on guy's,all yall acting like its some kind of conspiracy or something. They sugar coated these because they were expecting children to be watching and back then in the Dark ages parents didn't want their kiddos watching stuff that could warp their fragile little minds, unlike today a lot of parents could care less and even demand that their kids be subjected to 280 pounds of fat guy twerking in their faces dressed like a perverted bafoon while tossing dollar bills at said perverts. But yeah at least now you can enjoy the full experience of Gatchman in it's original form...Enjoy....
RIP Casey kasem. You were a big part of my childhood with this, transformers, scooby doo and superfriends. Excellent voiceover artist as well as the top 40 countdown.
Rest in Peace Casey Kasem, and thanks for the memories.
hear hear !............ ears on zark !
Yeah memories of crap cartoon voiceovers.
Like zoinks Scoob.
Shaggy in Scooby Doo Robin in SuperFriends and Mark in Battle of the Planets.rest in peace Casey.
*"I have to go now. My planet needs me"* _Note: Poochie died on the way back to his home planet_
were they from another planet?
Mmmmm Yeeees
Xd 👌👍
Make that chainsaw rustier!!
Japan: Traditional tragedy, dealing with loss, accepting that you cannot always win.
America: HUG AND HAPPIES FOR EVERYONE YAAAAY!
OzzieBloke yup lol
Well, it was for very young kids. I saw it when I was four or five.
And look which way Japan had gone with that value system. Accepting you can't always win is self-fulfilling and self-enslaving and a ad philosophy.
...and after the "YAAAAY", you change channels and watch news coverage of the latest mass shooting.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U rite
Aside from the censorship, The original Japanese one has so much emotion and energy. The voice actors gave their 100%. On the other hand.... the US one the voice actors kinda didn't give a crap.
Huke Chong Kinda?
"...oh hi Mark"
yep
+Huke Chong Also i hate the 70s music the dub mixes in where there's supposed to be no music at all.
Censorship? That would be the American version which filters out the "robbing of resources from the underground"...
Ok, I feel robbed. This is such a different story. I love the addition of the robots and their commentary overall, but disappointed to see their purpose was to sugar coat every thing, and how different the original story sounds
Yeah, it's like they intend this for children or something...🤔
@@DJ_Force it was intended for Japanese children to watch.
don't be cheated !
that's propaganda of fxxx robot.
@@DJ_Force p
Oh, don't worry. ADV localised Gatchaman uncut in the 2000s, so you can get the original version with translated dialogue as close to the Japanese scripts as possible, if that's what you want.
THEY LIED TO US MAN!!
Jim Gardner dude! I feel the same way. They gave us the water down version!
indeed such betrayal ...
Hahahaha!!!!
@Will iam bro as a 45+ year old adult, I see what you are saying. Maybe they developed the concept of adult cartoons 20 years before us. But to watch the American version next to the Japanese version, I felt short changed!
Yeah
Japan: Everybody dies. 💀
America: ...and they all lived happily ever after. ☀️ 🌈
Why is the Japanese version so morbid. It is like someone dropped a atomic bomb on their country
As an adult I shake my head in despair at how much was lost of the original spirit. As a ten year old watching this I probably slept better. If it had stuck to the original I would have been clutching my sheets, muttering "Can't sleep, lest the cold indifference of the Universe consume me and destroy all that I hold dear."
I actually watched most of thee cartoons unedited when i was a kid in Nigeria (the censors didn't care back then) so I felt like how you described lol
@Egie Asemota: Nigeria created their own dubs from the Japanese original? (I was always under the impression the rest of the world got what the Americans did with it after buying it from Japan...)
Even the English version had a lot of revolutionary stuff for prime time audiences, specifically zoltar (berg katse) being a hermaphrodite.
I also loved how princess (jun) was strong and never needed rescuing like the tired helpless woman trope in America. Then there were all the minions actually dying when stuff exploded ... pretty gritty for the time.
@@spectane - They made Zoltar male, and 'robots' died.
@@julietfischer5056 I watched the American edited version and zoltar definitely had long blonde hair and red lipstick in the final episode when he was unmasked. I don't remember if anything was stated as to his gender, but I always assumed he could either change it or was a hermaphrodite.
I grew up in the 70's in Japan. We only had one TV, no VCR. Everyone in the family got to watch the same show, no matter what the theme or tone may be. My parents would chime in with comments like "this is good" and "holy crap". They never passed judgement on anything. Good old days
Wow! I saw this on Battle of the Planets when I was a kid -- never would have dreamed that the Japanese original was so deep, and full of sacrifice and suffering. I guess that is the difference between a Japanese audience and that of a 9 year old Kansas City boy, like me.
Sandy Frank changed the whole premise of the series by setting each episode on an “alien “ planet, cashing in on the hot Star Wars craze. Gotchaman was always set on earth and their foes were terrorist, not alien. As a kid, I wonder why every alien planet looked like earth.
7 Zark 7 always perplexed me. He just sat around talking to the audience and never added much to the story. Only after reading about the cuts and the Gatchaman original did I understand what he was doing there. Bloody awful.
Different styles for different mindsets. I definitely like the violence and tragedy in the Japanese version.
@Strange Horizons or...you know...watch the Gatchaman dub.
7 Zark 7 and 1 Rover 1 were just filler to try to bridge the continuity gaps in the butchering that was BOTP
7Z7 is probably the only funny thing in this adaptation.
Before ADV dubbed all 105 episodes uncut, G-Force was the real deal without this stinking R2-D2 ripoff narrating the story.
I think removing the scene showing Ken was really pissed at the situation and throws his weapon in frustration, means it’s losing something else as well.
I get that it wouldn't have made sense for Ken to get mad for things ending "well" in the dub but I agree it is a shame. Ken getting mad and doing something pointless like throwing his crescent at the moon out of anger is one of my favorite parts. Heroes don't always get to do stuff like that.
In the JP version, G1 showed way more frustrations. At some point he was way too desperate he sprayed a Galactor spy with a fire extinguisher to make make him talk
Wow, they completely expurgated the ending but added the highly-inappropriate-for-children innuendo ("fill you in") with the robot? Go figure.
original version is more dramatic
Clearly they thought Americans couldn't handle the Dark story line. Happy endings all around
They didn't want the American youth to notice how messed up society really is, especially in their own homeland.
@@tellurianamystic9424 - Nah. Just moral guardians who thought children were so fragile that reality couldn't be allowed anywhere near them.
Bad acting, dumbing down the script, removing references to Romeo and Juliet, having them "Shadow Realm'd" instead of killed, changing names just for the sake of it, stock footage of comic relief characters, everything that could go wrong did
To be fair at least shadow realm was better then all other bullshit censorship
Some folks first saw it in the '80's (perhaps as another '80's dub called "G-Force") but THIS first English version was actually released in 1978 and edited not only to cut out the violence, and slightly more adult themes of the original Japanese show (1972-74), but also to pander to a new "Star Wars" generation of the late-'70's, hence the title.
Original Gatchaman took place entirely on Earth but "Battle of the Planets" used a little space footage from the original show to suggest that they were often traveling to other worlds to have their adventures! Overall, it's way less racist than the editing concept of "Power Rangers" but it was equally manipulative and offered a similarly diminished final result. But, I can attest, it was STILL very exciting to see as a boy in 1978, as I'm sure Power Rangers was for kids in the early '90's!
Hello, I remember the G-force (guardians of space.) Can you please tell me where I can buy DVD with that english version?? Not this one in the video....
Power rangers wasnt racist..cheesy...yes..not racist.
I swear something happened to academia in the late 90s on. They indoctrinated the kids to be an constantly offended army looking to call anything racist or climate change.
(Even tho the iriginal Japanese gatchiman dealt with pollution issues) i think captain planet screwed to many american kids up
@@toasteee252 Just to explain, I'm not trying to cancel anything, I think modern Power Rangers is MUCH better but, c'mon, the "black" ranger was an African American and the "yellow" ranger was Asian?!! But that's not the worst part to me, it's that I'm older and I grew up happily watching Tokusatsu dubbed, as a kid, but Saban felt it was more lucrative to re-cast the original Asian actors with Western actors, as if we couldn't relate to the Asian actors. How are both of those things not a little suspect?
@@Jolar70 too much violence and sex...plain and simple...there was still some things adults didn't want us to see. Someways letting kids be kids back then for longer was better. I never knew the stuff they cut out in star blazers back when it first ran. Was surprised when i picked up a magazine about it 12 years later. So you are saying saban was racist? Are you sure that you are allowed to say that. I have to check my book, i dont think he is white...i could be wrong tho. Of course the original had no white or black people in it. How racist are those japanese. Get a grip. This is when diversity crap started coming out. I still think captain planet ruined kids back then.
@@toasteee252 What I really meant by Power Rangers being a racist concept was that there was the obvious clunkiness of having the black ranger being an African American, and the yellow ranger being Asian American, etc., but that's not what I was getting at. It was the need to remove the original Japanese actors from the show, as if we couldn't sympathize with that cast. We needed a western cast or it was going to be too foreign(?).
Yes, dubbing dialogue is weird and artificial, but, when I was a kid, it didn't stop me from LOVING Godzilla and Ultraman and Gamera and any Japanese tokusatsu or anime I could get my hands on.
Haim Saban is Israeli.
Wow the English version makes no sense?!
For our vision, see.
Dang, I'm amazed at the huge difference. I grew up in Puerto Rico and when it aired on TV when I was a kid, we got it translated to Spanish from Mexico I guess, and we got the original translation, violence, blood and all. I remember bawling my eyes at that scene. It's perhaps one of the most vivid memories I have of G-Force (how it was called when it aired in PR). I'm so sorry you guys had to watch that atrocity in the US.
I thought PR was in the US. My mistake.
@@michaellee2387 You have this impression cause Puerto Rico is a US territory (as in, good old-fashion colonization) but it is not part of the country (as is Hawaii, a former territory promoted to state in 1959).
Alway's knew 7-Zark-7 was a lying bastard. He explained away Jason's headaches ("he got better") and this was a major plot point in the original Gatchaman.
Funny how they had to dumb-down the ending for U.S. audiences. I remember watching Starblazers when I was in grammar school and the captain died at the end of season 1 of radiation poisoning. At the time the ONLY cartoon I had ever seen where an established character died.
Even David the Gnome had the guts to deal with death and that was aimed at younger kids
I'm sorry Julia but I suffer from pre-mature exploding.
😁😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There's a pill for that now. Just sayin'.
I distinctly remember seeing this episode back in 2011 or so, after I was aware of the Americanized version (I first saw it back in 1981). And in 2013 it was really clear they had changed the ending and had the R2-D2 kind of robot narrating a different ending.
I'm British so we got the American version with the robot. I loved it! I had no idea it was even Japanese. Basically I liked the way the characters could fly around. Its as simple as that. As an adult, of course the Japanese version is... well... it has more umami!
This reminds me on Saber Rider. I didn't know, that it was a Anime from Japan because in germany, we had the American Version. Not only the planets were changed from our Solar System Planets to american named places, but it was more kid friendly. Instead of killing each other, the Outrider shot with stun blasters and when they were hit, they went back to the Vapor Zone (Phantom Zone in our dub).
I first saw the differences of the original and the american version as a adult and man.. the original japanese version is a lot harder
To not realise that this was Japanese make me understand how useless you are in this world
Wow, yeah, the Japanese version is pretty dark. I can imagine 80's PTA moms in a fit if the original was presented.
How would you imagine it?
@@justsomejohn5772 Don't get me wrong, I vastly prefer this version.
"And then, they vanished."
My lord did they bastardize this classic.
Golion and Gatchaman were all based on the "nuclear arms" exchange backstory. I think everything was in those days.
@kassandra odessa Also with the original Casshern and Teknoman too from the 70s. Which had Tomino used to work on it surprsingly
The japanese version is very effective in delivering the drama. Absolutely gut-wrenching, in a good way.
Must of been a downer for people when they watched the original version and fount out that they actually died.
I grew up on Battle of the Planets, but when I seen the original Gatchaman I thought it would be so funny to take the original Japanese scenes where Ken had just slice some bad guy's throat, cut to an American scene just before the blade hits the neck to have 7 Zark 7 explain, "it's a good things those are just robots," and have the scene cut back to the original Japanese scene, you see the bad guy clutching at his neck as blood is spraying everywhere, then the scene cuts back to 7 Zark 7 who's obviously surprised by blood and violence he just witnessed, but still has a job to do so he says, "yeah kids, those are just robots. That's not blood, that's... red hydraulic fluid." :) But I want to do an entire episode that way, keep all of the original Japanese blood and violence and edit in 7 Zark 7 to futilely try to explain away the blood and violence and just look like the idiot he is for doing so. :D
Is that Casey Kasem as Mark?
Ethan LaBorde yes ,it is
+Ethan LaBorde yes it is Casey Kasem as Mark.
Most defaniately
It's a good thing the Gatachaman episodes in their uncensored versions are available dubbed in English. I did not care for BOTP anymore once I learned the Japanese version was better plus I enjoyed seeing the Gatchaman series dubbed in English. I think BOTP was too watered down and too cartoonish.
As a kid, I watched BotP. But, as an adult, the maturity and complexity of Gatchaman seems much more engaging. BotP sucks compared to Gatchaman judging on this clip!
I remember watching this on TV in the late 70s. Battle of the Planets was a true favorite for me when I got home from school as a kid. I remember our tv was next to the kitchen and mom was always making something good for dinner, and I enjoyed watching these shows.
"And then, they vanished!"
Lol. Yeah dead.
I’ve never even seen this show, but I can really tell the US actors were really good, they did such an amazing job playing as robots.
Wow, I grew up with BOTP in Canada when it first aired and this is the first time I actually see the difference with the original Gatchman. Kind of funny to think about how I wasn't being shown an original series. Still fond memories though....
I think Japanese cartoons weren't always intended for kids. Early in our history, that was true as well. The Flintstones weren't initially meant for kids and was meant to be a more animated version of the Honeymooners.
As a Japanese, I can’t say which one is better for children. And I think everyone knows there’s no perfect way. Maybe respecting the original message as possible under the guidelines your country have is the only thing you can work on.
And the guidelines are different in countries for a reason.Japan has lost a war, a-bombs was dropped, we did Kamikaze attacks...etc. That brings the feelings, that there will be failures and loosing and defeat in life, no matter you tried hard. It hurts but you shouldn’t give up. That’s the way we take things. But I feel in the US there was a atmosphere back in those era
that “trying hard and wish 100% ,you will win it so always be positive and challenge” kind of mind.( I think US has changed nowadays)
There is one Gatchaman episode in which Ken(mark) and Joe (Jason) beat each other up for a full 1,5 minute. It has been completely removed from Battle of the planets. They don't even argue in there. It resulted that from one scene into the other you see that they are both bruised without explaining why. So I say Gatchaman forever :)
And then later, they're in a briefing and both have some unexplained bruises.
Katherine Kramer Exactly!
Oh my god, the English version sucked.
told ya
And you were right!
yes it did but when you're 7 and stayed up all night watching horror movies you were happy to see anything colorful and somewhat funny
Most of the animes, such as Speed Racer, Marine Boy, and Space Battleship Yamato (Star Blazers) during that time, when introduced to Western audiences, other than redubbing the language, they too were re-edited and changed the dialogue of the plot, to appease the censors and younger audience members. Even watching the others in their original Japanese dialogue and unedited version, they were much better.
When you say "western" you actually refer to the English Dubbing... I grew up watching anime and it was super violet and sexually charged... The dubbing was done in Mexico...
The reason they edited it because they thought American kid audiences couldnt handle the reality of the story line. It sounds stupid, but hey, it was the 70's.
I was 6 in 1978 when I first saw that scene and I don't know if I could have processed seeing the two lovers exploding. I know that audiences in Japan have traditionally been more open to sex and violence in their animation but was Gatchaman perhaps aimed at a slightly older audience than Battle of the Planets was?
emerpus01 actually yes, it was actually aim for teenagers, wild BOTP was aim for kids
I was 5 when BotP first aired in the US. So it was the version I was exposed to at an early age. After having been able to see a few Gatchaman episodes, I understand the stories and pace were much better, even if they were more PG-13. It would not have been an appropriate show for me back in 1978, but it is very enjoyable now. But I admit to feel very nostalgic for the US version. Admitedly, the US version is the inferior product, but it was still the version that captivated my young mind so many years ago. So I like both version; the quality of the original, and the nostalgia of the US version. If I could, I’d like to have copies of both complete versions.
Fun Fact: The voice of 7-Zark-7 was Alan Young who also voiced Scrooge McDuck in DuckTales. VA Knowledge is Fun!
+DISnut Not to mention Wilbur Post on "Mister Ed".
Mark was Shaggy as well as Robin.
The Japanese version had Ken played by Speed Racer's VA who also played Nail, Tekkaman and OVA!Polnareff, and Romina was played by Kenshiro's VA who played Ryouma in Getter Robo, Ryo in City Hunter, and Kinnikuman.
7 - Zark- 7 was pure cheese
My Jar-Jar-sense is TINGLING!
wow .... completely different story lines .... !!
and i did watch B o P when as was at kid .... i feel ive got cheated
got the get the Japaneses version now
I remember watching battle of the planets in the 80's on saturday morning cartoons. It was great.
In english they ruined, the dialogs and the feeling is not the same, doesnt transmit the same idea, prefer the japanese
Good lord!! I couldn't believe the narration at the end of the American version. At least they kept the kiss in. Battle of the Planets was my very favorite show as a child. I need to find where I can watch the subtitled Gatchaman so I can see it right!
The dub renaming the two characters to get away from "Romeo and Juliet" was a good call. Nominative determinism is alive and well in Gatchaman. All I can think of is this clip: th-cam.com/video/ch-BsAv1UfA/w-d-xo.html
ロミナの声は神谷明さんですね。
GOD! They fucking ruined that strong emotional end.
I've been searching, but I just can't seem to figure out the name of that song when Romina and Julia 'splode themselves. Now THAT'S a death scene tune
Wow, what a dumbing down of such a convincing story!
Wow what a huge difference but man the BOTP version still brings back such fond memories...I must of been 4 or 5 when I watched the cartoons so it kinda makes sense they edited the original Gatchaman the way they did...thanks for sharing!
only just realised, Mark is actually Shaggy!!!
John Jones Yep! The late, great Casey Kasem! He also did the voice for Robin in Superfriends and various Batman cartoons.
John Jones The woman was Janet Waldo aka Judy Jetson and Josie Pussycat.
John Jones And Robin from the SuperFriends.
John Jones dude it took me just forever to figure out the too XD
Zoiks!
Wow, I saw the B of the P version ages ago. It's amazing the difference between the original version and this one. Not just from the censored-out violence of the original, but the fact that the hero sounds like Casey Kasem (which he is) and the scenes with an R2D2 clone voiced by Mr. Ed's co-star. Weren't the 70's wacky?
Japan knew how to face reality, and did the best they could to come to terms by being strong in soul and spirit regardless of what happens to the body. That's why as a kid, I always loved the ORIGINAL Japanese Anime as it had TRUE realistic emotions compared to the "fairy tale" lies made to blind us from reality by the English dubbing...which I ALWAYS find disgusting beyond disgusting...no sense of effort in the voice acting and the whole story is made up to be rosy and happy endings...which is pure bullshit. I have nothing but respect for Japan as they are IN YOUR FACE and they show the horrors of life directly to the children so they will be strong and tough when they face the world. My daughter is also shown the realities of life at a young age so she will not be a wimp when she grows up.
On the bright side, the late Casey Kasem voiced Ken the Eagle in the English dub
The real question here is: how the hell did Ken survive that explosion?
Lol, I just love Japanese dialogue "please escape from here quickly" ;)
The original darker version is my favorite.
They did similar to "valley of the wind", remixing the order of some things and cutting others until it's original meaning was lost. It also caused many of the japanese animation studios to refuse to allow their titles to be licensed in any form here in america for a number of years.
HA HA HA!! the American version is such crap compared to the Japanese version. The original is so compelling and has a story , emotional, excellent acting .. while the American version ... geeeeez!!!! The actors (other then kasem) didnt act at all they just read the lines.
The Japanese version also seemed to have a Romeo & Juliet vibe going -- he's Romina and she's Julia. So, it's compelling, edgy, has missiles (which was hysterical [so the Japanese version isn't perfect]) AND has references to famous works of literature. The American version...has Shaggy doing the voice of Ken.
PlanitReality well said.. YOUR ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.. its like when they made the American version they thought that American kids were too stupid to grasp it. So its like an idiot version.
I wouldn't be too hard on the americans. we had to adapt the work to fit the broadcasting standards at the time. i mean think about it did anybody die in thundercats or gi joe? nope, and when they killed of optimums prime in transformers there actually was a big backlash from both kids and parents. honestly this is the best they could do at the time. the heart of the idea of romeo and Julite IS in the american version they just focused more on the whole "transendent power of love and the soul" part of that story rather then the tragic lives cut short side that the japanese version focused on. really, the use of the comet is pretty clever for the american dub because it and obvious (down right heavy handed) illusion to the souls of the lovers going to heaven. trust me those two are dead as doornails in both versions it's just the Japanese version is literal while the american version makes it more metaphorical.
PlanitReality oh, the missiles line i think is a miss translation i think it's "bomb' which is far more accurate to the animation
I don't disagree, but I'm pretty sure the Japanese version was meant for a slightly older audience. I would have been happy if they had at least done something other than 7 zark 7. It was kind of typical of the entertainment industry back then to badly repackage popular themes, like R2-D2 from Star Wars. Either way, the Phoenix was much loved back in the day.
How can that be? Battle of the Planets (the "edited version" you speak of) came out 35 years ago this month, and it was the first version of Gatchaman screened here in the U.S.
Aw, look, they really do love each other! 😍
The best characteristics of this awesome cartoon was completely lost in the American version. As a kid, I saw the Mandarin version of this show, which stayed true to the original spirits. When I came to the U.S. and saw the American version, I was so disappointed even as kid.
"You know what we need to do with this scene where two characters die and there's a touching moment afterwards, followed by a plea for peace? Remove it and then replace it with an erection joke. There's kids watching, after all."
I love watching this show growing up in the 70's, the guy who played Mark in this was Radio DJ and American Bandstand is Casey Kasem, he also voiced Robin in Batman, and he was the Autobot Cliffjumper
Casey Kasem wasn't on American Bandstand, that was Dick Clark. Casey hosted a radio program called "American Top 40".
I don't think these moments with 7 zark 7 are very appropriate especially with Susan trying to "fill him in". "Let's get rid of this death scene and replace it with a sexual innuendo" what the hell kind of logic is that?!
Yeah, it's really creepy when you're old enough to understand it.
I remember this! 30 years ago, and even as a child I knew something was twisted. A childhood trauma laid to rest, thanks.
7-Zark-7 ruins everything.
Anybody else find it ironic that 7 Zark 7 started out waxing philosophical about love and ended up getting an electronic stiffy from a former sex hotline operator?
At a time when US cartoons were made free of violence, the action in anime was part of it's draw.
Thanks for replying. In the BOTP versio, Cronus was apparently killed by Zoltar's creeps. Did the same thing happen in Gatchman? I thought Cronus/Red Impulse was such a cool character and they shouldn't have killed him off.
I'm cracking up at "bastardization" 😂😂😂
at 5:03 the explosion scene just cut out in the USA adaptation
Another victim of Bowdlerization in the 70s, even worse than what happened to Space Battleship Yamato when it became Star Blazers. It continued in the 80s as well, when Beast King GoLion and Armored Fleet Dairugger XV became Voltron. As a kid, SB, BotP, and Voltron were some of my favorite shows. As an adult, I still remember them all fondly, but seeing the originals they were based on makes them pale in comparison.
The only thing I could say I like better is some of the music. Hoyt Curtin's work in BotP, and the theme for Voltron (don't know who did that yet), are really good work.
DogPatch - omg, Voltron is not the original either? They did the same to Voltron?NOoooooooooooo, not Voltron!
I watched BOTP in Canada and I remember this episode only that I remember them exploding, not "just vanishing".
Could there be more than one BOTP edits?
The U.S. version wanted to make sure their children weren't traumatized! "They just.. vanished! But they're still together!" is 10 times less traumatizing than "The two androids kissed and then they detonated. Sadly, The Gatchaman Force was unable to save those two!"
Except Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the word amongst developed nations
Starblazers did stuff like this too. There was a scene where they threw a grenade in a "remote controlled tank". In Japanese it was just a tank and the guys died.
OMG idk why I saw the US version as a kid. The thing is, I thought it was incredible, but now watching the Japanese version I’m in shock! I need to go back in time and tell my younger self to watch the original version instead 😂
That transition in the dub was so sudden, the least that could have been done was let the screen be blank and let the music continue for a bit.
Amazing to think there were adults that thought western children couldn't possibly be exposed to human emotions or death BUT they could replace it with a highly sexualised conversation between two robots in its place. I'd love to know who the people were who censored the storyline. My bet would be on fundamentalist christians.
And we wonder why there's so much mental health problems in our broken society today??
That couple flew on a comet to the same place all kid's pets go.
HA!
Dont need a 7 minute video for this. You can sum the differences up in three words: explosions and pantsu.
+Jayfive276 what the fuck are you talking about man
Dbvhchsdfdg Ghsxdghsty The western version of this show had all the violence and some of the panty shots cut out. You want me to draw you a picture fucknuts?
+Jayfive276 He's American. He doesn 't speak English!
+Sebastian “Paschan” Gottret fuck you
yeah if I had a nickel for every Jun panty shot in this show...
G-Force Guardians of Space was the closest one to watch Gatchaman in the US without heavy censorship despite skipping the final arc of the show.
I could immediately tell the shows were edited from its tv debut when I was 12 and I already knew Japanese cartoons were more mature and violent. Then I would look at bodies in the backgrounds for clues to cut action scenes. I would always laugh whenever they'd say something like "Oooo, robot pilots!" The show still retained its power and the actors I thought did a good job with what they were given. More advanced than any Hanna Barbera! They did retain the episode where a character shoots himself in shadow which shocked me they didn't cut it!
I believe it was Hanna Barbera that did the US version animation with 7 Zark 7 and the robot dog.
@@vinzclortho7766It was a US studio but not H-B, but used a number of their staffers including Hoyt Curtin on music.
The "G-Force" take on this scene was interesting. The couple was renamed to Sophia and Antonio, and while the dialogue between them and Ken/Ace was similar, their explanation as to how/why they were turned into cyborgs was needlessly made more convoluted. Also, they edited out the shot from 2:01-2:07 in this video, which was kept in BotP. And yes, the synth drumbeat was added to the silent portions of the scene. ;D I'll have to upload the G-Force version of this ep...
It really bothers me that a robot would wear a sweater.
It's a G-force uniform, but you're too fat to fit in one.
Even though I watched Battle of the Planets as a kid I'm glad I got to see the un-edited and superior Gatchaman when I was older. They buthered it twice in the U.S. Once as Battle of the Planets and again as G-Force.
7:06 Did he say MATE HER ???
Hi Rick. Great minds think alike
@Arc13 Well it makes sense that a giant robot show deconstruction would be more noteworthy than other giant robot shows. But seriously, where did any of the Astro Boy shows rank on the IGN animation list?
Okay, it got Disneyfied. Still, I loved it in my youth: the animation, characters, toys, weapons. Traaaansmute!
Same here. While I respect Gatchaman I'll always think of this show as BATTLE OF THE PLANETS. I treat BotP and Gatchaman as two different shows with two different sets of characters, premises, names, etc. Both have their merits.
However; That doesn't stop me from raggin on Sandy Frank and the crazy stuff he does to Japanese movies and TV shows. WORST DUBS OF GAMERA & GODZILLA EVER and dont get me started on TIME OF THE APES and FUGITIVE ALIEN.
I was born 1971. I remember my 2nd grade year BOTP came out. I didn't know until later there was 2 version of it. After seeing the commercial for BOTP I had an accident jumping off the back of my grandpa 73 Chevy into a barbwire line thinking I could fly like them on the commercial. PEACE from Allendale South Carolina.. still got the scar too.
Come on guy's,all yall acting like its some kind of conspiracy or something. They sugar coated these because they were expecting children to be watching and back then in the Dark ages parents didn't want their kiddos watching stuff that could warp their fragile little minds, unlike today a lot of parents could care less and even demand that their kids be subjected to 280 pounds of fat guy twerking in their faces dressed like a perverted bafoon while tossing dollar bills at said perverts. But yeah at least now you can enjoy the full experience of Gatchman in it's original form...Enjoy....
The Gatchaman version of Colonel Cronus was Red Impulse, and yes, he was Ken's/Mark's father.