I noticed my 7 boyfriend’s tendency to become critical when under stress, this was incredibly enlightening in regards to that. But he’s also incredibly receptive to hearing the information when I one time shared my observation that it was a pattern. He was actually really enthusiastic like “really?” 🤯😅😂 Which I imagine is the 5’s fascination with finding patterns and connecting the dots. After this I’m going to head over to the fives to see what more I’ll learn 😊🙏❤️
I honestly think finding patterns is more 7 than 5, 5 is more about learning about the patterns not finding them. I could be wrong of course, but I would associate it to Ne/Te in MBTI, where 5 is more Ti for sure.
Supernova glad you think so it’s kinda overwhelming being a 7. I just found out this was me and been studying it and it’s so eye opening I just don’t know what to do with it now that I do know.
First of all, there is no such a thing as best/ worst type. All types are equally bad - meaning: we have to work hard to be more than our childish defences. Besides, for me as a 5, type 7 is absolutley the worst - scattered, self-centered, shallow. Their energy makes me very uncomfortable. I know this is just a smash of our extreme different pattern of defences. I need to be more than five, but seven also need to be more than seven!
@@marthalynx7941 that's interesting to hear you say that. I'm a 5, but due to my life circumstances and I guess siblings I've spent a lot of time in a 7 space, and I kind of loved it and I miss it. Unfortunately, it was also my undoing, maybe. I ignored or ran from my problems and to this day still bury my head in the sand and distract myself from my scary problems instead of dealing with them. But I've lost touch with the healthiness and joy of 7 and I'm very depressed lately. I'm very 4ish in terms of wings. I am completely out of touch with 8. Totally foreign to me. I really liked listening to these 7s, and it's several of the other types that bother me. I'm wary of 2s because of the strings attached, I feel the anguish of 4 in my wing, being "special" but hating myself for feeling that way, I often can't understand the thoughtlessness and overconfidence of 8s, I could go on. But 7s seem A-Ok.
@@JosiahMcCarthy that's funny because actually i also have sibling who is a 7. And i hate it. Haha. But i guess people are diffrent. We are not just our types. I don't know if i can help you but first of all you need to feel useful, needed to start again enjoying your life. And second - you need to listen to your feelings. Start ask questions like: why am i scared right now? So stressed out? Anxious? This helped me a lot to fight with my fears. You need to understand them first. Look very deep. Childhood is always the key.
“I didn’t have patience for the ordinary. Just living in a house in a neighborhood was ridiculous. If you did ordinary jobs, I discounted it, because it was just boring to me. I didn’t have any patience for it.”
Great material. Examples from rather dramatic experiences from tri athletes etc. Comments from the daily struggles would be helpful. All people have personality struggles from not knowing who they are. Please do not misunderstand my comments this work is fantastic and quite helpful. I guess I am recommending examples for the ordinary. Actually I really do not believe people do think they are ordinary because they do not who they are. Keep up the great work.
When I'm having a hard day, I don't typically reach out to my 7 friends as I don't feel like they have the "space" for it. I just want to feel understood if something is tough and the typically 7 deflection or positive reframe often creates a feeling of misunderstanding and lacking acceptance. But they are always down for a good time!
I'm a 7 and I have noticed that my friends don't really talk about some of their difficulties with me and I am sort of thankful for that and that they don't hold it against me. I think we need to learn to deal with difficult emotions, but at the same time, everyone has their strengths and their weaknesses and that's OK.
My husband is a type 7 and he really gets anxious with any perceived negativity and tends to take it personally. I am a 5 so I'm not really one to overshare anyway, thankfully. We can be very compatible. But it does come up because I want to problem solve and prepare for whatever possibilities may arise, both positive and negative. I'm very future minded and that seems to him like anxiousness. He's better at solving things in the moment, he prefers spontaneity and figuring things out as they arise. He likes to keep things light and flexible, not fenced in just as they say. Conversely, I hate surprises and I need to feel like things are set in stone. That is a big point of contention between us at times. However, he is very caring and likes me to be okay. He takes care of me and is very loyal. He's never had a problem with commitment in his relationships. He likes to take me out of my rumination and explore things together. His way of helping is to be an escape. I don't go to him to unburden verbally or emotionally but I do to get my mind off things and to feel more at ease. Or if I need something done practically and creatively, he is a great brainstormer.
@@martah5369 Same! I'm also a Social 7 and I often feel like I'm a magnet for people who need to talk about their problems. I don't mind it either as long as they don't get stuck. ❤
@@martah5369 yeah i don’t relate to people not talking at all. People often tell me all their problems, and I help them, and enjoy helping. But I don’t have much patience for people complaining about things I think are small and silly. So big heavy stuff and I’m great, little stuff is just a mood killer.
As a 7 that's one of the things I have integrated. People can talk to me about any thing now. It can get very dark, no problem. I am all ears and will not anymore give unsolicited advice and tips.
Thanks for an excellent video, I can relate to most of what was said (as a 7 sx)! But I perceived Garth to be more of a 3, than a 7. He talked a lot about working and being successful. How does that relate to 7s? Can 7s and 3s be somewhat similar in these areas (as long as the work is fun)?
I'm no expert, but I think the difference in how 3's and 7's approach work lies in the motivation of the work. For the 7's, it seems like the mindset is "I want to accomplish this for the joy of doing it", AKA the goal is the joy/fun/adventure/risk/etc of doing the work, and not quite as much the work itself. The enjoyment/adventure is the real prize; the work is just a means to that end. For 3's (I'm pretty sure I'm a 3w4 sx), the mindset is more like "I want to accomplish this because it's important... This is worth doing even if it's not fun right now... Accomplishing this will help me feel more content and affirm that I'm spending my time on noble pursuits... That sense of accomplishment will give me so much joy... etc." AKA the goal isn't so much the byproduct joy of doing the work, but rather the work itself. The fun/adventure is a bonus, but the work is the main thing (and it's still worth doing/deeply satisfying even if it's painful or difficult). For example, I like leading small groups through my church. It's a lot of A.) helping people not feel alone, and B.) helping people learn how to deeply enjoy reading their Bible instead of feeling intimidated by it. For me the motivation is a lot of "I want to impact this persons life. I want to help them grow. I want to be the kind of person that serves others." Success is when they have that "aha" moment when they understand a new biblical concept, or when they express that they finally feel loved and seen by God, or that they're actually enjoying reading their Bible, etc. My point is that the goals are specific/clear/measurable, and I'm on a mission to accomplish them. And there's also the 3's subconscious "image" drive. Joy is found in doing work that helps me become "the kind of person" that lives this way, does that activity, etc. For small group leaders that are 7's that I've known, simply the fact that people are gathering together as a group is a huge win in itself. 7's make GREAT mentors and teachers, and can structure their mentorship/work style in the same way as a 3, it's just the motivation/end goals will probably be different Hope that helps in some way!
I don’t beat myself up. Or talk to myself critically. At all... I do think there’s so many ways I will and should improve.. and am on a constant journey of trying to improve EVERYTHING in life. Absolutely everything. But I don’t think of that as critical. 🤣🤣 maybe it’s just a 7 thing.
Me either. I’m almost always positive about the idea that I can improve and I just keep working on improving. When I was younger I did worry about it more though
I am also doing exactly that, always improving all areas of my life. I think that's the whole meaning of life, to have experiences and become better. Would love to exchange ideas if you're down
This is going to be a long comment. I'm enjoying these videos, and I'm very thankful for them. I was thinking that when anyone talks about their view of the world and personal history we do it from a very subjective perspective and that, since enneagram is about honesty and hearing unpleasant truths in order to grow, it would be interesting if other types comment on their perception of a certain type, in this case 7. I can't help to disagree with most comments here, relating to how fun and exciting sevens are. I can see where they come from, obviously, but as a 5 I have a lot of problems with the approach to life that sevens take, maybe other types think something similar, but I just thought what I'm going to say next could be interesting to sevens especially, in order to understand the reactions they may get from some people, like 5's (at least some). Please, don't take this as a destructive criticism, just as an honest opinion of what some people may think about you, so that you can understand them and their reactions to you. On the one hand it's undenyable that 7's can be fun to be around, and as an introvert, when I happen to be in a group I always appreciate that there is some extrovert around, because they talk and I listen, which reliefs me from the pressure of having to do the talking myself, but at the same time I get extremely bored about the constant shift on topics and lack of depth and focus. Conversations about events and other people feel extremely unsatisfying and when they happen I just want to get out of there because it seems like a waste of time. I'm from Spain, and our culture is very 7-ish, I would say, which always leaves me thinking if there is something wrong with me, or is everybody crazy here? It's undeniable that with all the comedy shows, etc, fun is something very valued in the west, therefore 7's are appreciated by most people and can sometimes be thought of as the role model to copy, and one of the most desirable traits anyone can have. The things that 7's consider fun and exciting, to me are a waste of time and money most of the time, as long as they revolve around socializing or doing activities of "paying money to someone so that they entertain you in some way for a while". The way I see it, seven's main problem is that there is a big tendency to flee when things get tough and a fear to admit that life is hard and there is an ugly side to it (as far as I can tell from what they say, I'm probably wrong on something, but in the end everyone is going to treat others based on their subjective impressions on them, so this matters even if it's not completely true). All the need to have permanent fun and excitement, because anything else is boredom, feels extremely tiring and annoying to me. The best way I can understand this is that there is a fear of getting in touch with your inner self, and you do and plan any activity or event you can to avoid coming face to face with yourself in solitude because you may be scared of what you may find there. My guess is that 7's are especially afraid of the idea of death, and that topic is inevitably going to pop up after a little of self reflection, and as a result of that they try to hide it and deny it's existence by always evading themselves on the fun and the entertainment on the moment and forget about the inevitably of death. So I think it must be especially hard for them when they have to face it because it happens in their environment. I just hope you guys are doing ok during the pandemic and quarantine time, and take this opportunity to look inside some more. Also, for the important and serious stuff, like business, I would be very distrusting on the capacity of 7's to meet deadlines, do what they are supposed to in terms of analysis, etc. Again, I'm probably wrong here, and of course they can bring positivity to the workplace, but I would never hire a 7 to do something critical if I was in that position. Their lack of commitment to doing one thing perfectly and to the end deterrs me from even taking the risk. Again, I'm not implying that it's actually like that, but if I were to hire someone, and gives me that impression of excitement in their character, etc, I couldn't take that person seriously for some roles and wouldn't like to have them around when the shit hits the fan. Of course they may be able to handle the situation, but my prejudices tell me that it's not a good idea, and I'm sure many others think the same. As a 5, which likes to think things through in a calm manner and who doesn't take action before he's certain about the outcome, to me saving money is the most natural thing in the world, it just happens because I don't spend it on anything I don't actually need, and I feel that getting involved with a 7 would burn those savings very quickly and carelessly, which makes me think it very hard before getting involved with you guys in any kind of enterprise or relationship. Even something like getting dragged to bars, restaurants, etc, hurts me a lot when I think of the time and effort I dedicated to earn that money and how quickly it's disappearing. I'm sorry, but I can't help to think this would happen. And then I fear that since fun is so important to you you are willing to sacrifice any money to get it, because to you probably that's the point of money, to be spent. To me that attitude is something completely unjustified, since fun is temporary but money is permanent. Not that I'm attached to money or anything, but to me it's a material representation of my past work and efforts, and only should be spent on something that I consider equally valuable. Many millionaires think in this way, by the way, that's how they got their money, by saving and investing it carefully, which I don't think is a priority to 7's. When the fun is over, both the fun and the money are gone, and the only thing that's left is more lust for more fun. Fun is a drug, in the end, so I think it's important to not overdo it, because it will drag you in an ever growing lust for more fun with no apparent end nor purpose, just having fun to not feel bored. I also fear that if I had a 7 partner they would quickly get bored of me, would feel trapped and there would be a lot of fights about that, which could potentially end in cheating, drama, divorce, etc. Also, I can't help but to think that 7's have (even if they haven't) been in a lot of relationships in the past (let's say N), and I get involved with one, I will just be number N+1, after which will come N+2, N+3 and so on, which discourages me a lot of getting involved with one of you. To me it would feel like investing a lot of money on something extremely risky, like bitcoin. There can be big gains, but I think in the end, sooner or later is going to end in disaster and pain (check out Hephaestus and Afrodite story hehe). Also, and don't take this as an insult or anything, it's just the impression I have and it's probably biased, but 5's need mental stimulation and I don't think I can find much in your attitude towards life, which also makes us find many of you very boring after the initial rush of fun, because that kind of fun becomes very predictable and light hearted (and worse, it's not spontaneous fun, but sought after fun), whereas we may find fun in more profund stuff. I think you guys and us have opposite tendencies to life, by you being very focused on the present and us on the future, each with it's downsides. Not all is bad, and I can say that I admire the capacity to enjoy life to the fullest and create opportunities out of the routine, which I suck at, and I see how incorporating some of that can help me grow. To me guys you have a superpower, but it can very easily spiral out of control and be very self destructive in the long run. Also, your ability to don't attach too much to the outcome of things and the adventure spirit is something that would help me a lot to learn, because life can be too predictable and boring to me at times, more and more as I grow older, which makes me recognize the need to incorporate some of your traits. Again, I hope you find this informative rather than offensive, I would certainly like to hear about what other types think about 5's. Take care guys and grow a lot!
As a 7 I do find it offensive as you’re focusing on the negative stereotypes of 7s, and even unhealthy 7s. I don’t have any of those qualities you mention. It’s like me saying all 5s are boring nerdy hermits or something. 7s need mental stimulation too and are innovative, creative thinkers. It does sound like a good idea for you to avoid a 7 partner, though, since we like people who can think outside the box!
You seem to have a very shallow view of who is a 7. For instance not all 7’s are extroverts. Not all 7’s like parties or clubs or gossip. These are just a few things you got wrong about sevens. All the people you see around you that you assume are 7 might actually not be 7 at all since your criteria for deciding if someone is a seven isn’t accurate. As a 7 I would say we are all individuals and your current inability to see and appreciate that makes you not an attractive employer or partner to a seven anyway. And we rarely take jobs or get into relationships where things don’t feel right or good since we do tend to be trying to avoid pain. As a seven individual you are correct about money being more of a thing to use rather than save for me- not all sevens- just me. But I love the advice and techniques I’ve learned from friends who are good with money, it’s not going to make me become super frugal, since I will always see money as a resource to be used to support great experiences but it is going to help me make long term goals as well. By the way I don’t like parties very often, love deep conversations about many many topics (like many sevens I’m curious and know things about many many topics plus I have had a lot of life experience to draw on) and my favourite places to have fun are all free and in nature.
You're not alone in that assessment. As a (social) seven in a culture that values conformity, hard work, reliability, steadiness, and sees fun as irrelevant, I used to see myself exactly as you describe. Even now, I read what you write and that familiar heavy feeling comes down on me. All I can say is that I've learned that my way isn't bad, and your way isn't the better way. I bring joy to the people around me and most people like to have me around them. I'm a great mom, and a true friend. I agree that you shouldn't marry a 7. My husband is a 5 and we are very different people with very different preferences. It's like I'm a kite and he's a boulder. I thought he would keep me flying steady, but actually my flapping bothers him and he tries to keep me flat on the ground like him. I can see that your reaction comes from the situation of being surrounded by people who are strong in the areas that you are weak, and weak in the areas that you are strong. My reaction comes from that same place, so we can be kind to each other.
As a 7 I am very thankful for your comment. And I am not offended. I don't have the right not to be offended. There are 7s who have never confronted the dragon in the abyss, i.e. face themselves and their inefficiencies. I am not one of them. I went there and it's one of the best things that ever happened to me. In terms of growth, yes, 7s do need to get in touch with the dark side. It's so extremely beneficial I can't even describe it in words. . Anyways, let me shed some light on how we see certain things. Collecting money for security to prepare for a future apocalypse, that doesn't make sense to us. Money or other material possessions don't have any value to 7s. They are just tickets to experiences, just a means to an end. We don't want to collect things, we want to experience life so when we're 90 we can look back with a smile. Security is important but to a certain extent. As human we are built for a challenge and therefore we seek novelty. You think 7s are avoiding negative feelings? It takes a lot of courage to be constantly stepping out of your comfortzone and seeking new unknown experiences. Memento mori. As 7s know we are going to die. We are not denying it. In fact, we aim to live life to the fullest because of that knowledge. And those people who truly lived aren't afraid of death at all. They are ready for it. And 7s really make the best of it all, they have had many interesting experiences, met awesome people and created unforgettable memories. Every business starts with an idea. You need people who can come up with unorthodox and creative ideas, because how else are you going to be different and unique as a business? You need to stand out to gain a competitive advantage. You can't ask the opinion of a normal rationalist person. You need 7s for that. Creative thinkers, entrepreneurs, visionaries, idealists who are optimistic and believe that their insane ideas will work out. You can't use a realist for that. Look around you. Who do you think came up with the very first table, the first chair? All the big companies around you? Definitely not conservatives and conformists. Not wanting to ''invest'' in a relationship because ''losing time''. 5s are always afraid of losing stuff because less things means less secure. But life is going to kill us all anyway, so why not have some fun while waiting?
The words "Small Talk" come up after watching this interview of 7's. Being an individual who spends a great time in deep contemplation, I never truly understood why people such as 7's, were so happy when there is so much difficulty in the world. I see many 7's as blissfully ignorant, choosing to let others suffer in their own "Ordinary" lives and avoiding the deeper dark truths of this reality. I question if 7 only sees surface obstacles as growth, like getting a bigger house or a more expensive car, as progression. Honestly, I feel many of the world's issues stem from Type 7, but I am aware of the necessity for nature to accommodate them within the system of life.
You contemplate but do you actually DO anything? Contemplation of all the wrongs in the world won’t fix them. It’s good to sit and think about bad things sometimes, but mostly only when you’re in a space to reach out and do something that will make a change. Social 7 w8 like myself are actually amazing at helping drive change. And happy go lucky 7 have a very important place too. I certainly think it’s very misguided to blame 7’s for the worlds problems. Maybe you need to contemplate more
I think it depends on the level of health. I’m a 7 but I’m starting to look more and more like a 5 (extremely contemplative, focused on depth, isolated, serious, intellectual) but before starting my spiritual journey I was blissfully ignorant like you say.
I've been the unfortunate recipient of having to deal with a Seven's descent to One lately - excessive nitpicking over tiny, insignificant details. I'm being nitpicked ad nauseum by a Seven who is expending an enormous amount of energy over absolutely nothing! This Seven has told me over and over again to remove the AC unit from the house rental unit; she's fretting about the extra costs of electricity; she's worrying about how expensive everything is, don't give the customer a bluetooth speaker; don't buy a new BBQ even though the old one is broken; don't give them a high chair or a Pack n Play crib for the baby. I'm seeing that the customers ideas are good ones, lots of fun..... Sure, we can do all that! You know that feeling when you're trying to do a good job for a customer, but the devils advocate could care less about anyone other than themselves? Grrrr! I hate seeing anybody spend so much energy over absolutely nothing! She's her own worst enemy. Storm in a teacup! Lost her marbles. If you're a Seven, please concentrate on having fun; let other people take care of the details. The Seven needs to integrate the bad into the good. To embrace the good, if you really want to feel good about yourself, you have to embrace the bad, because you can't shove the bad under the rug; it doesn't disappear. It leaves 'resistance.' The only way out is through. So to feel good, you have to embrace the bad and THAT is the kind of culture we want, where it's not a stigma to be imperfect, it's a journey we are all on together. Acting defensively isn't going to lead you to the way. Being right all the time...nah ah.
Woah, been there! I’m a social 7 but when I’m nitpicking and worrying about everything. I can definitely bother people. Its rare for me but those are miserable times for me. Loved what you had to say:)
sorry to hear but that sounds very relatable. Unhealthy 7s act precisely in that manner, perfectionistic tyrants. I hate myself when I am like that and I consult my own resentment and personal issues.
Yes you can be an introverted 7. As, introverted just means you need to recharge your batteries with alone time, there are plenty of social introverts. I'm introverted and only see myself as a 7. As a child; I was quite extraverted. I'm also an ISFP. But, as an introvert; I don't need to really "recharge" my batteries... Though, I may just have social-anxiety, not introverted??? I am going through health problems which has brought on social-anxiety... So, its hard to really know where I fit sometimes... Anyway, sorry for my babbling 🙃!
Seven Reframing: I watched the new Lion King movie in the theatre yesterday; Scar is a Seven Reframer..... He leads Simba into the valley, where he pushes Simba's father over the cliff to his death; then he blames Simba for killing his father, because Simba is such an errant lion for disobeying his father. He tells Simba his father had to come rescue him where he meets his death. Don't Sevens do this all the time, reframe things so they are never to blame for anything; it's always somebody else's fault? Seven needs to integrate the darkness into the good. Sevens need to adopt the attitude of being responsible for their happiness and not ever scapegoat their problems onto other people. "I'm an awful person." "There is the whole of me." We have an evil side, folks! The good with the bad. We need to adopt a culture, where it's not a stigma to be imperfect, it's a journey we are all on together. Acting defensively isn't going to lead you to the way. Being right all the time...nah ah. Blaming everybody for your unhappiness keeps you in victim mode; you need to be a pilgrim. You need to be strong, not weak.
Very interesting! What I would add is that it is ok to be sometimes weak, rather than always strong. I find it easier to accept mistakes when I just tell myself that I have weaknesses too.
Sevens are not plotting/jealous types. Scar felt “deserving.” That is more the shadow side of the four, although Scar is so awful I hate to attribute him to any number. Sevens can be harmful to others, but they are not playing chess with those around them.
But why is fun so important? Help me understand 7s. I'm a 6 btw, and I love the 7s in my life, but it is one of the types that I cant fathom how you exist, lol.
Because without fun, life is so grey. Like, all the colours are gone, there's nothing there except duty, what you HAVE to do. Trudging along without anything to look forward to and no one to see is so dreary. It's like that feeling when you're really sick and feverish, and it's not that you're in pain, exactly. It's just that nothing is very interesting and maybe you'll just go to sleep again now. That sort of apathetic feeling. But maybe we're thinking of fun in different ways. For example, I've always attached 'fun' as one of the main adjectives describing being a mom. Watching babies make faces and wiggle with joy is so fun! Listening to a toddler explain how the world works? Fun! The first time my son actually beat me at chess when I didn't let him win? So fun! So, this pandemic and all the restrictions have been killing me. I tried to reach out to friends and I told them that I don't find my kids fun anymore. Which is so strange, because they've always been a huge source of fun for me. Now it's all about forcing them to do online school, and making them wear masks, and trying to make sure that they're still feeling special at birthdays, etc. There's somehow no more fun there. And my friends didn't seem to think that sounded very serious, that I was weird and lucky to have thought it was fun for as long as I did, so I've been trying to adjust. Now that I realize that I'm a seven, I can see that we were talking about different things. (I'm doing a little better now, life is more normal but I am a bit crazed still from all the "you're trapped and controlled, the world is made up of rules and there is no room for joy" feelings.)
it's not that fun is so important... just boredom makes you feel like life has no meaning, like everything has stopped, like there is no reason to be on the Earth... all motivation to do anything just disappears and it seems as anything you do has no value. Kind of depressive state of mind and it easily leads to self destructive behavior just to feel alive, not like walking zombie. I would even say that having a interesting and meaningful moments is more important to me that having a fun. But if people around me are just not deep, if they are just people interested in trivial subjects...instead of bothering them with my preferable topics I simply adjust to their level. In this case my brain is not really engaged so to easier cope with the stress I try to have some fun at least.
7 here and I am always disappointed in the lack of inclusion in the enneagram. Include other races! Don’t be afraid of multiple layers of diversity it enhances things; even age diversity. it’s just hard to trust the integrity of the information when it’s like this.
I understand your frustration, but the panels are of participants that signed up for the workshop, they weren't specifically selected to create an enneagram video. Perhaps though they can make a point of advertising to various communities & that will mix up the diversity.
They don't control who chooses to show up and take part in these panels. I don't think many minorities are into the enneagram like that. I say this as a black man. Also, the price of these events might be a barrier to entry. I notice most of these panels are of older white people. Not even that many young white folks.
Y’all sevens are the ones who could make it happen more than any other type, especially if you’re extroverted.... Someone please LOL I’m an 8, I’m too scary 😅😇😅
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I'm watching this during COVID time and thinking how challenging it must be, especially for Sevens. Sending warm thoughts their way!
I noticed my 7 boyfriend’s tendency to become critical when under stress, this was incredibly enlightening in regards to that. But he’s also incredibly receptive to hearing the information when I one time shared my observation that it was a pattern. He was actually really enthusiastic like “really?” 🤯😅😂 Which I imagine is the 5’s fascination with finding patterns and connecting the dots. After this I’m going to head over to the fives to see what more I’ll learn 😊🙏❤️
I honestly think finding patterns is more 7 than 5, 5 is more about learning about the patterns not finding them. I could be wrong of course, but I would associate it to Ne/Te in MBTI, where 5 is more Ti for sure.
Every comment made during this panel discussion confirmed once and for all that I am a self-pres/sx seven. Thank you Beatrice Chestnut for doing this.
Fascinating! Nearly everything Kelly said is something I have experienced or related to.
All the panels have their own energy and tone.
This was very interesting, though I do wish there had been a social 7 on the panel, as I'm leaning that direction on my self-identification journey.
Yes. I think I'm one as well and its really difficult finding more info or people to relate to.
@@martah5369 we are so cool lol
I’m a social 7 with aspects of sexual. Dr. Tom Lahue has a TH-cam Chanel on enneagram and has episode on subtypes of 7.
He is a social 7.
I believe the gentleman on the panel was a social 7.
@@jhall007 He is a sexual seven
I love 7s. I think it's the best type to be 😉 Y'all are awesome.
Supernova glad you think so it’s kinda overwhelming being a 7. I just found out this was me and been studying it and it’s so eye opening I just don’t know what to do with it now that I do know.
Thank you! I love being a 7!
First of all, there is no such a thing as best/ worst type. All types are equally bad - meaning: we have to work hard to be more than our childish defences. Besides, for me as a 5, type 7 is absolutley the worst - scattered, self-centered, shallow. Their energy makes me very uncomfortable. I know this is just a smash of our extreme different pattern of defences. I need to be more than five, but seven also need to be more than seven!
@@marthalynx7941 that's interesting to hear you say that. I'm a 5, but due to my life circumstances and I guess siblings I've spent a lot of time in a 7 space, and I kind of loved it and I miss it. Unfortunately, it was also my undoing, maybe. I ignored or ran from my problems and to this day still bury my head in the sand and distract myself from my scary problems instead of dealing with them. But I've lost touch with the healthiness and joy of 7 and I'm very depressed lately. I'm very 4ish in terms of wings. I am completely out of touch with 8. Totally foreign to me. I really liked listening to these 7s, and it's several of the other types that bother me. I'm wary of 2s because of the strings attached, I feel the anguish of 4 in my wing, being "special" but hating myself for feeling that way, I often can't understand the thoughtlessness and overconfidence of 8s, I could go on. But 7s seem A-Ok.
@@JosiahMcCarthy that's funny because actually i also have sibling who is a 7. And i hate it. Haha. But i guess people are diffrent. We are not just our types. I don't know if i can help you but first of all you need to feel useful, needed to start again enjoying your life. And second - you need to listen to your feelings. Start ask questions like: why am i scared right now? So stressed out? Anxious? This helped me a lot to fight with my fears. You need to understand them first. Look very deep. Childhood is always the key.
“I was 50 before I checked how much money was in my bank account. Career planning and financial planning was foreign to me. I loved adventure.”
I’m not afraid of commitment. To a person. But there’s no way I can commit to a business. Job. Hobby. Etc. I’m very stereo-typical 7 in that way.
Hi Amanda. Ever wonder the reasons behind your non committal in work and hobby ?
I am the same way. I don't want to apply myself because I don't want the responsibility.
“I didn’t have patience for the ordinary. Just living in a house in a neighborhood was ridiculous. If you did ordinary jobs, I discounted it, because it was just boring to me. I didn’t have any patience for it.”
Great material. Examples from rather dramatic experiences from tri athletes etc. Comments from the daily struggles would be helpful. All people have personality struggles from not knowing who they are. Please do not misunderstand my comments this work is fantastic and quite helpful. I guess I am recommending examples for the ordinary. Actually I really do not believe people do think they are ordinary because they do not who they are. Keep up the great work.
Great Type 7 Panel, thank you so much for sharing. I will post to Facebook.
Sx 7 guy was so affirming!
“I tended to discount the ordinary things of life to move forward and to build. Now I’m more grounded.”
Love it! As a One, I wonder if I’ve ever turned down time with a friend to clean out my sock drawer! There’s a decent likelihood!😂
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Oh no! 😂
Oh my goodness the first woman gave me chills 🥹❤️💔😭❤️
When I'm having a hard day, I don't typically reach out to my 7 friends as I don't feel like they have the "space" for it. I just want to feel understood if something is tough and the typically 7 deflection or positive reframe often creates a feeling of misunderstanding and lacking acceptance. But they are always down for a good time!
I'm a 7 and I have noticed that my friends don't really talk about some of their difficulties with me and I am sort of thankful for that and that they don't hold it against me. I think we need to learn to deal with difficult emotions, but at the same time, everyone has their strengths and their weaknesses and that's OK.
My husband is a type 7 and he really gets anxious with any perceived negativity and tends to take it personally. I am a 5 so I'm not really one to overshare anyway, thankfully. We can be very compatible.
But it does come up because I want to problem solve and prepare for whatever possibilities may arise, both positive and negative. I'm very future minded and that seems to him like anxiousness. He's better at solving things in the moment, he prefers spontaneity and figuring things out as they arise. He likes to keep things light and flexible, not fenced in just as they say.
Conversely, I hate surprises and I need to feel like things are set in stone. That is a big point of contention between us at times.
However, he is very caring and likes me to be okay. He takes care of me and is very loyal. He's never had a problem with commitment in his relationships. He likes to take me out of my rumination and explore things together. His way of helping is to be an escape. I don't go to him to unburden verbally or emotionally but I do to get my mind off things and to feel more at ease. Or if I need something done practically and creatively, he is a great brainstormer.
@@martah5369 Same! I'm also a Social 7 and I often feel like I'm a magnet for people who need to talk about their problems. I don't mind it either as long as they don't get stuck. ❤
@@martah5369 yeah i don’t relate to people not talking at all. People often tell me all their problems, and I help them, and enjoy helping. But I don’t have much patience for people complaining about things I think are small and silly. So big heavy stuff and I’m great, little stuff is just a mood killer.
As a 7 that's one of the things I have integrated. People can talk to me about any thing now. It can get very dark, no problem. I am all ears and will not anymore give unsolicited advice and tips.
Thanks for an excellent video, I can relate to most of what was said (as a 7 sx)! But I perceived Garth to be more of a 3, than a 7. He talked a lot about working and being successful. How does that relate to 7s? Can 7s and 3s be somewhat similar in these areas (as long as the work is fun)?
I'm no expert, but I think the difference in how 3's and 7's approach work lies in the motivation of the work. For the 7's, it seems like the mindset is "I want to accomplish this for the joy of doing it", AKA the goal is the joy/fun/adventure/risk/etc of doing the work, and not quite as much the work itself. The enjoyment/adventure is the real prize; the work is just a means to that end.
For 3's (I'm pretty sure I'm a 3w4 sx), the mindset is more like "I want to accomplish this because it's important... This is worth doing even if it's not fun right now... Accomplishing this will help me feel more content and affirm that I'm spending my time on noble pursuits... That sense of accomplishment will give me so much joy... etc." AKA the goal isn't so much the byproduct joy of doing the work, but rather the work itself. The fun/adventure is a bonus, but the work is the main thing (and it's still worth doing/deeply satisfying even if it's painful or difficult).
For example, I like leading small groups through my church. It's a lot of A.) helping people not feel alone, and B.) helping people learn how to deeply enjoy reading their Bible instead of feeling intimidated by it. For me the motivation is a lot of "I want to impact this persons life. I want to help them grow. I want to be the kind of person that serves others." Success is when they have that "aha" moment when they understand a new biblical concept, or when they express that they finally feel loved and seen by God, or that they're actually enjoying reading their Bible, etc. My point is that the goals are specific/clear/measurable, and I'm on a mission to accomplish them.
And there's also the 3's subconscious "image" drive. Joy is found in doing work that helps me become "the kind of person" that lives this way, does that activity, etc.
For small group leaders that are 7's that I've known, simply the fact that people are gathering together as a group is a huge win in itself. 7's make GREAT mentors and teachers, and can structure their mentorship/work style in the same way as a 3, it's just the motivation/end goals will probably be different
Hope that helps in some way!
Yeah a 7 with an 8 wing can look like a 3 - very career focused, workaholic type.
Definitely a Social 7 hahahha
8:32 Same 😂
I don’t beat myself up. Or talk to myself critically. At all... I do think there’s so many ways I will and should improve.. and am on a constant journey of trying to improve EVERYTHING in life. Absolutely everything. But I don’t think of that as critical. 🤣🤣 maybe it’s just a 7 thing.
Me either. I’m almost always positive about the idea that I can improve and I just keep working on improving. When I was younger I did worry about it more though
I am also doing exactly that, always improving all areas of my life. I think that's the whole meaning of life, to have experiences and become better. Would love to exchange ideas if you're down
This is going to be a long comment. I'm enjoying these videos, and I'm very thankful for them. I was thinking that when anyone talks about their view of the world and personal history we do it from a very subjective perspective and that, since enneagram is about honesty and hearing unpleasant truths in order to grow, it would be interesting if other types comment on their perception of a certain type, in this case 7. I can't help to disagree with most comments here, relating to how fun and exciting sevens are. I can see where they come from, obviously, but as a 5 I have a lot of problems with the approach to life that sevens take, maybe other types think something similar, but I just thought what I'm going to say next could be interesting to sevens especially, in order to understand the reactions they may get from some people, like 5's (at least some). Please, don't take this as a destructive criticism, just as an honest opinion of what some people may think about you, so that you can understand them and their reactions to you.
On the one hand it's undenyable that 7's can be fun to be around, and as an introvert, when I happen to be in a group I always appreciate that there is some extrovert around, because they talk and I listen, which reliefs me from the pressure of having to do the talking myself, but at the same time I get extremely bored about the constant shift on topics and lack of depth and focus. Conversations about events and other people feel extremely unsatisfying and when they happen I just want to get out of there because it seems like a waste of time. I'm from Spain, and our culture is very 7-ish, I would say, which always leaves me thinking if there is something wrong with me, or is everybody crazy here?
It's undeniable that with all the comedy shows, etc, fun is something very valued in the west, therefore 7's are appreciated by most people and can sometimes be thought of as the role model to copy, and one of the most desirable traits anyone can have.
The things that 7's consider fun and exciting, to me are a waste of time and money most of the time, as long as they revolve around socializing or doing activities of "paying money to someone so that they entertain you in some way for a while".
The way I see it, seven's main problem is that there is a big tendency to flee when things get tough and a fear to admit that life is hard and there is an ugly side to it (as far as I can tell from what they say, I'm probably wrong on something, but in the end everyone is going to treat others based on their subjective impressions on them, so this matters even if it's not completely true).
All the need to have permanent fun and excitement, because anything else is boredom, feels extremely tiring and annoying to me. The best way I can understand this is that there is a fear of getting in touch with your inner self, and you do and plan any activity or event you can to avoid coming face to face with yourself in solitude because you may be scared of what you may find there. My guess is that 7's are especially afraid of the idea of death, and that topic is inevitably going to pop up after a little of self reflection, and as a result of that they try to hide it and deny it's existence by always evading themselves on the fun and the entertainment on the moment and forget about the inevitably of death. So I think it must be especially hard for them when they have to face it because it happens in their environment.
I just hope you guys are doing ok during the pandemic and quarantine time, and take this opportunity to look inside some more.
Also, for the important and serious stuff, like business, I would be very distrusting on the capacity of 7's to meet deadlines, do what they are supposed to in terms of analysis, etc. Again, I'm probably wrong here, and of course they can bring positivity to the workplace, but I would never hire a 7 to do something critical if I was in that position. Their lack of commitment to doing one thing perfectly and to the end deterrs me from even taking the risk. Again, I'm not implying that it's actually like that, but if I were to hire someone, and gives me that impression of excitement in their character, etc, I couldn't take that person seriously for some roles and wouldn't like to have them around when the shit hits the fan. Of course they may be able to handle the situation, but my prejudices tell me that it's not a good idea, and I'm sure many others think the same.
As a 5, which likes to think things through in a calm manner and who doesn't take action before he's certain about the outcome, to me saving money is the most natural thing in the world, it just happens because I don't spend it on anything I don't actually need, and I feel that getting involved with a 7 would burn those savings very quickly and carelessly, which makes me think it very hard before getting involved with you guys in any kind of enterprise or relationship. Even something like getting dragged to bars, restaurants, etc, hurts me a lot when I think of the time and effort I dedicated to earn that money and how quickly it's disappearing. I'm sorry, but I can't help to think this would happen.
And then I fear that since fun is so important to you you are willing to sacrifice any money to get it, because to you probably that's the point of money, to be spent. To me that attitude is something completely unjustified, since fun is temporary but money is permanent. Not that I'm attached to money or anything, but to me it's a material representation of my past work and efforts, and only should be spent on something that I consider equally valuable. Many millionaires think in this way, by the way, that's how they got their money, by saving and investing it carefully, which I don't think is a priority to 7's. When the fun is over, both the fun and the money are gone, and the only thing that's left is more lust for more fun. Fun is a drug, in the end, so I think it's important to not overdo it, because it will drag you in an ever growing lust for more fun with no apparent end nor purpose, just having fun to not feel bored.
I also fear that if I had a 7 partner they would quickly get bored of me, would feel trapped and there would be a lot of fights about that, which could potentially end in cheating, drama, divorce, etc. Also, I can't help but to think that 7's have (even if they haven't) been in a lot of relationships in the past (let's say N), and I get involved with one, I will just be number N+1, after which will come N+2, N+3 and so on, which discourages me a lot of getting involved with one of you. To me it would feel like investing a lot of money on something extremely risky, like bitcoin. There can be big gains, but I think in the end, sooner or later is going to end in disaster and pain (check out Hephaestus and Afrodite story hehe). Also, and don't take this as an insult or anything, it's just the impression I have and it's probably biased, but 5's need mental stimulation and I don't think I can find much in your attitude towards life, which also makes us find many of you very boring after the initial rush of fun, because that kind of fun becomes very predictable and light hearted (and worse, it's not spontaneous fun, but sought after fun), whereas we may find fun in more profund stuff.
I think you guys and us have opposite tendencies to life, by you being very focused on the present and us on the future, each with it's downsides.
Not all is bad, and I can say that I admire the capacity to enjoy life to the fullest and create opportunities out of the routine, which I suck at, and I see how incorporating some of that can help me grow. To me guys you have a superpower, but it can very easily spiral out of control and be very self destructive in the long run. Also, your ability to don't attach too much to the outcome of things and the adventure spirit is something that would help me a lot to learn, because life can be too predictable and boring to me at times, more and more as I grow older, which makes me recognize the need to incorporate some of your traits.
Again, I hope you find this informative rather than offensive, I would certainly like to hear about what other types think about 5's. Take care guys and grow a lot!
As a 7 I do find it offensive as you’re focusing on the negative stereotypes of 7s, and even unhealthy 7s. I don’t have any of those qualities you mention. It’s like me saying all 5s are boring nerdy hermits or something. 7s need mental stimulation too and are innovative, creative thinkers. It does sound like a good idea for you to avoid a 7 partner, though, since we like people who can think outside the box!
You seem to have a very shallow view of who is a 7. For instance not all 7’s are extroverts. Not all 7’s like parties or clubs or gossip. These are just a few things you got wrong about sevens. All the people you see around you that you assume are 7 might actually not be 7 at all since your criteria for deciding if someone is a seven isn’t accurate.
As a 7 I would say we are all individuals and your current inability to see and appreciate that makes you not an attractive employer or partner to a seven anyway. And we rarely take jobs or get into relationships where things don’t feel right or good since we do tend to be trying to avoid pain. As a seven individual you are correct about money being more of a thing to use rather than save for me- not all sevens- just me. But I love the advice and techniques I’ve learned from friends who are good with money, it’s not going to make me become super frugal, since I will always see money as a resource to be used to support great experiences but it is going to help me make long term goals as well. By the way I don’t like parties very often, love deep conversations about many many topics (like many sevens I’m curious and know things about many many topics plus I have had a lot of life experience to draw on) and my favourite places to have fun are all free and in nature.
You're not alone in that assessment. As a (social) seven in a culture that values conformity, hard work, reliability, steadiness, and sees fun as irrelevant, I used to see myself exactly as you describe.
Even now, I read what you write and that familiar heavy feeling comes down on me.
All I can say is that I've learned that my way isn't bad, and your way isn't the better way. I bring joy to the people around me and most people like to have me around them. I'm a great mom, and a true friend.
I agree that you shouldn't marry a 7. My husband is a 5 and we are very different people with very different preferences. It's like I'm a kite and he's a boulder. I thought he would keep me flying steady, but actually my flapping bothers him and he tries to keep me flat on the ground like him.
I can see that your reaction comes from the situation of being surrounded by people who are strong in the areas that you are weak, and weak in the areas that you are strong. My reaction comes from that same place, so we can be kind to each other.
Thank you for the wonderful insights. I’m going to save your analysis. I really appreciate it !
As a 7 I am very thankful for your comment. And I am not offended. I don't have the right not to be offended. There are 7s who have never confronted the dragon in the abyss, i.e. face themselves and their inefficiencies. I am not one of them. I went there and it's one of the best things that ever happened to me. In terms of growth, yes, 7s do need to get in touch with the dark side. It's so extremely beneficial I can't even describe it in words. . Anyways, let me shed some light on how we see certain things.
Collecting money for security to prepare for a future apocalypse, that doesn't make sense to us. Money or other material possessions don't have any value to 7s. They are just tickets to experiences, just a means to an end. We don't want to collect things, we want to experience life so when we're 90 we can look back with a smile. Security is important but to a certain extent. As human we are built for a challenge and therefore we seek novelty. You think 7s are avoiding negative feelings? It takes a lot of courage to be constantly stepping out of your comfortzone and seeking new unknown experiences.
Memento mori. As 7s know we are going to die. We are not denying it. In fact, we aim to live life to the fullest because of that knowledge. And those people who truly lived aren't afraid of death at all. They are ready for it. And 7s really make the best of it all, they have had many interesting experiences, met awesome people and created unforgettable memories.
Every business starts with an idea. You need people who can come up with unorthodox and creative ideas, because how else are you going to be different and unique as a business? You need to stand out to gain a competitive advantage. You can't ask the opinion of a normal rationalist person. You need 7s for that. Creative thinkers, entrepreneurs, visionaries, idealists who are optimistic and believe that their insane ideas will work out. You can't use a realist for that. Look around you. Who do you think came up with the very first table, the first chair? All the big companies around you? Definitely not conservatives and conformists.
Not wanting to ''invest'' in a relationship because ''losing time''. 5s are always afraid of losing stuff because less things means less secure. But life is going to kill us all anyway, so why not have some fun while waiting?
This is my tribe!
I always want the big cake but will always share. Wow, I’m exposed.
I’m an INFP but I very much relate to this panel. Is it possible to be both an infp and a 7?
Any combination of myers briggs is possible with the enneagram (I believe) there are even extroverted type fives :D
I'm an infp 7w8 sx/sp. Extreme introversion (12H Dom) coupled with a deep need to be confident & adventurous.
INTJ 7
@@dqyung19 same man
Yes! I’m an INFP 7w6.
The words "Small Talk" come up after watching this interview of 7's. Being an individual who spends a great time in deep contemplation, I never truly understood why people such as 7's, were so happy when there is so much difficulty in the world. I see many 7's as blissfully ignorant, choosing to let others suffer in their own "Ordinary" lives and avoiding the deeper dark truths of this reality. I question if 7 only sees surface obstacles as growth, like getting a bigger house or a more expensive car, as progression. Honestly, I feel many of the world's issues stem from Type 7, but I am aware of the necessity for nature to accommodate them within the system of life.
You contemplate but do you actually DO anything? Contemplation of all the wrongs in the world won’t fix them. It’s good to sit and think about bad things sometimes, but mostly only when you’re in a space to reach out and do something that will make a change. Social 7 w8 like myself are actually amazing at helping drive change. And happy go lucky 7 have a very important place too. I certainly think it’s very misguided to blame 7’s for the worlds problems. Maybe you need to contemplate more
I think it depends on the level of health. I’m a 7 but I’m starting to look more and more like a 5 (extremely contemplative, focused on depth, isolated, serious, intellectual) but before starting my spiritual journey I was blissfully ignorant like you say.
I've been the unfortunate recipient of having to deal with a Seven's descent to One lately - excessive nitpicking over tiny, insignificant details. I'm being nitpicked ad nauseum by a Seven who is expending an enormous amount of energy over absolutely nothing! This Seven has told me over and over again to remove the AC unit from the house rental unit; she's fretting about the extra costs of electricity; she's worrying about how expensive everything is, don't give the customer a bluetooth speaker; don't buy a new BBQ even though the old one is broken; don't give them a high chair or a Pack n Play crib for the baby. I'm seeing that the customers ideas are good ones, lots of fun..... Sure, we can do all that! You know that feeling when you're trying to do a good job for a customer, but the devils advocate could care less about anyone other than themselves? Grrrr! I hate seeing anybody spend so much energy over absolutely nothing! She's her own worst enemy. Storm in a teacup! Lost her marbles. If you're a Seven, please concentrate on having fun; let other people take care of the details. The Seven needs to integrate the bad into the good. To embrace the good, if you really want to feel good about yourself, you have to embrace the bad, because you can't shove the bad under the rug; it doesn't disappear. It leaves 'resistance.' The only way out is through. So to feel good, you have to embrace the bad and THAT is the kind of culture we want, where it's not a stigma to be imperfect, it's a journey we are all on together. Acting defensively isn't going to lead you to the way. Being right all the time...nah ah.
Woah, been there! I’m a social 7 but when I’m nitpicking and worrying about everything. I can definitely bother people. Its rare for me but those are miserable times for me. Loved what you had to say:)
Ugh we’re the worst when we’re in one 😢 so sorry
sorry to hear but that sounds very relatable. Unhealthy 7s act precisely in that manner, perfectionistic tyrants. I hate myself when I am like that and I consult my own resentment and personal issues.
This is soooo meeeee 😭
I perceive Kelly to be introverted. Is it possible to be an introverted 7? And did she ever think she was another number?
Yes you can be an introverted 7. As, introverted just means you need to recharge your batteries with alone time, there are plenty of social introverts. I'm introverted and only see myself as a 7. As a child; I was quite extraverted. I'm also an ISFP. But, as an introvert; I don't need to really "recharge" my batteries... Though, I may just have social-anxiety, not introverted??? I am going through health problems which has brought on social-anxiety... So, its hard to really know where I fit sometimes... Anyway, sorry for my babbling 🙃!
Sorry no not possible.. For type 7 it has to be Se or Ne. ENFP are a very introverted extroverted.
Seven Reframing: I watched the new Lion King movie in the theatre yesterday; Scar is a Seven Reframer..... He leads Simba into the valley, where he pushes Simba's father over the cliff to his death; then he blames Simba for killing his father, because Simba is such an errant lion for disobeying his father. He tells Simba his father had to come rescue him where he meets his death. Don't Sevens do this all the time, reframe things so they are never to blame for anything; it's always somebody else's fault? Seven needs to integrate the darkness into the good. Sevens need to adopt the attitude of being responsible for their happiness and not ever scapegoat their problems onto other people. "I'm an awful person." "There is the whole of me." We have an evil side, folks! The good with the bad. We need to adopt a culture, where it's not a stigma to be imperfect, it's a journey we are all on together. Acting defensively isn't going to lead you to the way. Being right all the time...nah ah. Blaming everybody for your unhappiness keeps you in victim mode; you need to be a pilgrim. You need to be strong, not weak.
What makes you think that Scar is a type 7?
Didn't hear about this aspect of the 7. It's the type I understand the less.
Very interesting! What I would add is that it is ok to be sometimes weak, rather than always strong. I find it easier to accept mistakes when I just tell myself that I have weaknesses too.
No, no, gaslighting is not the same as reframing.
Sevens are not plotting/jealous types. Scar felt “deserving.” That is more the shadow side of the four, although Scar is so awful I hate to attribute him to any number. Sevens can be harmful to others, but they are not playing chess with those around them.
@@MaryRuddick777 Pretty sure Scar is a sexual 4, but he is also a cartoon lion :P
But why is fun so important? Help me understand 7s. I'm a 6 btw, and I love the 7s in my life, but it is one of the types that I cant fathom how you exist, lol.
Because without fun, life is so grey. Like, all the colours are gone, there's nothing there except duty, what you HAVE to do. Trudging along without anything to look forward to and no one to see is so dreary. It's like that feeling when you're really sick and feverish, and it's not that you're in pain, exactly. It's just that nothing is very interesting and maybe you'll just go to sleep again now. That sort of apathetic feeling.
But maybe we're thinking of fun in different ways. For example, I've always attached 'fun' as one of the main adjectives describing being a mom. Watching babies make faces and wiggle with joy is so fun! Listening to a toddler explain how the world works? Fun! The first time my son actually beat me at chess when I didn't let him win? So fun!
So, this pandemic and all the restrictions have been killing me. I tried to reach out to friends and I told them that I don't find my kids fun anymore. Which is so strange, because they've always been a huge source of fun for me. Now it's all about forcing them to do online school, and making them wear masks, and trying to make sure that they're still feeling special at birthdays, etc. There's somehow no more fun there. And my friends didn't seem to think that sounded very serious, that I was weird and lucky to have thought it was fun for as long as I did, so I've been trying to adjust. Now that I realize that I'm a seven, I can see that we were talking about different things. (I'm doing a little better now, life is more normal but I am a bit crazed still from all the "you're trapped and controlled, the world is made up of rules and there is no room for joy" feelings.)
it's not that fun is so important... just boredom makes you feel like life has no meaning, like everything has stopped, like there is no reason to be on the Earth... all motivation to do anything just disappears and it seems as anything you do has no value. Kind of depressive state of mind and it easily leads to self destructive behavior just to feel alive, not like walking zombie.
I would even say that having a interesting and meaningful moments is more important to me that having a fun. But if people around me are just not deep, if they are just people interested in trivial subjects...instead of bothering them with my preferable topics I simply adjust to their level. In this case my brain is not really engaged so to easier cope with the stress I try to have some fun at least.
What’s the point in living without fun tho
It’s joy, happiness, and it feels good in the body.
7 here and I am always disappointed in the lack of inclusion in the enneagram. Include other races! Don’t be afraid of multiple layers of diversity it enhances things; even age diversity. it’s just hard to trust the integrity of the information when it’s like this.
I have noticed these panels specifically are usually older people, and white. Probably because it’s just the people this lady knows 🤷🏻♀️but I feel ya
I understand your frustration, but the panels are of participants that signed up for the workshop, they weren't specifically selected to create an enneagram video. Perhaps though they can make a point of advertising to various communities & that will mix up the diversity.
They don't control who chooses to show up and take part in these panels. I don't think many minorities are into the enneagram like that. I say this as a black man. Also, the price of these events might be a barrier to entry. I notice most of these panels are of older white people. Not even that many young white folks.
Y’all sevens are the ones who could make it happen more than any other type, especially if you’re extroverted.... Someone please LOL I’m an 8, I’m too scary 😅😇😅
Start the panel Ebony. Ree Ree speaking I'm a 4 married to a 7 I've been thinking that too! How about enneagram the black experience......