EEEEE!!!! OMG, HOW EXCITING & COOL! I'm so happy for you that your online presence has grown so much to get to interview Chestnut herself. This is just so amazing! 👏👏👏👏
Yes. I like how you both point out the notion that our wing fixation is related to our history and socialization, and that the work is needed in the other wing for development of the core type. This is something, anecdotally, I've noticed with those of us with a strong attachment/fixation with a wing (speaking as a 4w5) that fixation comes about from not being able to draw upon both wings when the core's problem solving doesn't work. For example, my attempts to draw on my 3 were consistently resisted and even punished as a child, leaving the disengaged/stealth mode of 5s my only reliable secondary strategy. Now, pursuing 3 is a path of abject fear, even if it's clearly where I need to grow.
What a great talk! Especially loved the part about arrows and how the "bad" one isn't always "bad", I wouldn't have got into the enneagram if I didn't "disintegrate" to 5 during the pandemic! And that part about the harsh truths, I had one such moment watching Beatrice's panels on each of the types, one of the 8s casually mentioned something like "why would anyone even talk to me if I'm not the boss" and boy that really hit me hard.
Congrats! Uranio's two videos on the 9 has been very helpful. I'm very grateful for Beatrice's books and insights. Also thank you for your videos and expanding or explaining her books. 🙏
A missing piece for me is how these types interact with personality disorders. Interesting that you were talking about 3's because my ex husband was both a 3 (determined by a Phd specialist) and also a Sociopath (diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder by another Phd). I'm a 2 so you can imagine it did not turn out well for me or our 4 and 6 sons. I'm curious how accurate the enneagram can be when a person doesn't have "normal" levels of empathy, responsibility, honesty and self awareness. I so related to the discussion about 2's ~36mins. Surprised me when you said everyone wants to be a 2 because when I read about 2 the first time over 20 years ago I didn't like it at all, and kept retesting trying to get a different result!
Fantastic question and fantastic answer about the "ick factor", or how to gently guide ppl through blind spots. It's a good news bad news good news story-- real liberation. What are we running toward? What are we running from?
I was sure "Mary" was a Three. When I read Beatrice's exposition of the Two subtypes , it was obvious "Mary" was a Social Two with a Three wing. You haven't really learned the Enneagram until you have studied the 27 subtypes. "The Complete Enneagram" is a great book.
Hi Dr Lahue, I am a Christian and I understand you are a pastor. Im hearing a lot of stuff on how enneagrams came from demons and the occult. Yet a lot of Christian leaders are advocating this test... Especially Ichazo and Naranjo wrote the 9 types by connecting with a demon and auto writing. What are your thoughts on this?
I have a video on TH-cam asking if the Enneagram is evil. The Enneagram tells us the same things the Bible tells us with different words. I think it is fundamentally Christian although many people find help and value in it.
EEEEE!!!! OMG, HOW EXCITING & COOL!
I'm so happy for you that your online presence has grown so much to get to interview Chestnut herself.
This is just so amazing! 👏👏👏👏
Thank you so much!!
I love this wise woman. Thank you for this interview. 💜
Yes. I like how you both point out the notion that our wing fixation is related to our history and socialization, and that the work is needed in the other wing for development of the core type. This is something, anecdotally, I've noticed with those of us with a strong attachment/fixation with a wing (speaking as a 4w5) that fixation comes about from not being able to draw upon both wings when the core's problem solving doesn't work. For example, my attempts to draw on my 3 were consistently resisted and even punished as a child, leaving the disengaged/stealth mode of 5s my only reliable secondary strategy. Now, pursuing 3 is a path of abject fear, even if it's clearly where I need to grow.
Beatrice Chestnut is an excellent teacher!!!! I plan to buy her latest book. Great interview!
"I can't care about you more than you do. " CLASSIC. Loving this gem filled conversation 😍
What a great talk! Especially loved the part about arrows and how the "bad" one isn't always "bad", I wouldn't have got into the enneagram if I didn't "disintegrate" to 5 during the pandemic! And that part about the harsh truths, I had one such moment watching Beatrice's panels on each of the types, one of the 8s casually mentioned something like "why would anyone even talk to me if I'm not the boss" and boy that really hit me hard.
Oh wow. How wonderful
Beatrice and Uranio were for me the gateway of clarity to the enneagram. Excited for this interview!
Uraniooooooo
OH! Very excited to hear this!!!!!!!
Great interview! I am a 2. I agree with what you said totally. Thank you for sharing!
Congrats! Uranio's two videos on the 9 has been very helpful. I'm very grateful for Beatrice's books and insights. Also thank you for your videos and expanding or explaining her books. 🙏
Would you please share the links to uranio's videos. I'm a fellow nine and very into the deep work.thanks!
@@kassiopeia1232th-cam.com/video/TEFOQ_CdUI8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yjwH8-R-OBRn8FeW
and
th-cam.com/video/XAU16pVk4mY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bh2tShA7K36v4DKR
A missing piece for me is how these types interact with personality disorders. Interesting that you were talking about 3's because my ex husband was both a 3 (determined by a Phd specialist) and also a Sociopath (diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder by another Phd). I'm a 2 so you can imagine it did not turn out well for me or our 4 and 6 sons. I'm curious how accurate the enneagram can be when a person doesn't have "normal" levels of empathy, responsibility, honesty and self awareness. I so related to the discussion about 2's ~36mins. Surprised me when you said everyone wants to be a 2 because when I read about 2 the first time over 20 years ago I didn't like it at all, and kept retesting trying to get a different result!
Fantastic question and fantastic answer about the "ick factor", or how to gently guide ppl through blind spots. It's a good news bad news good news story-- real liberation. What are we running toward? What are we running from?
Wow, Tom manifested Beatrice 🤩
Bravooo, thank you 🙏 🎉💪💪
I was sure "Mary" was a Three. When I read Beatrice's exposition of the Two subtypes , it was obvious "Mary" was a Social Two with a Three wing.
You haven't really learned the Enneagram until you have studied the 27 subtypes. "The Complete Enneagram" is a great book.
Awesome stuff!
Lovely, thank you
"... that's good news that you are feeling bad"
"the enneagram is sort of endless"
"but not like this ... like THIS" 😄
Nice collab
Hi Dr Lahue, I am a Christian and I understand you are a pastor. Im hearing a lot of stuff on how enneagrams came from demons and the occult. Yet a lot of Christian leaders are advocating this test... Especially Ichazo and Naranjo wrote the 9 types by connecting with a demon and auto writing. What are your thoughts on this?
I have a video on TH-cam asking if the Enneagram is evil. The Enneagram tells us the same things the Bible tells us with different words. I think it is fundamentally Christian although many people find help and value in it.
@@twlahue ahh okay i see you made a video called is the enneagram evil. Watching it now, thank you!
has anybody heart too that Enneagram originates from automatic handwriting? Sounds so scary to me :-((
That hair is really bugging me.
Repent Jesus Christ is coming back very soon.