Remco Evenepoel's BIGGEST Weakness
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Difference between Contador and Evenepol ( apart from Contador won several Grand Tours) is Contador wasn't afraid of losing
well we know the chemical help Contador got when he raced but the jury is still out on the current crop of racers. Just saying.
Stupid comparison Remco is 24 no one has 7 grand tours that young 🤦
@@counselor5286 tainted beef. the amount he had in him was well below the physiological threshold for any sort of performance advantage. DQing him from that tour and suspending him was ridiculous overzealousness meant to assuage concerns about ongoing doping after decades of failing to do anything about it, nothing more.
@danielhall1473 yes I guess the same tainted beef Floyd Landis ate in hos miraculous stage win. Hoping there is no fall out with this generation as I want to believe just like i believed in all those inthe 90s and 2000s the only exception I trust in was Greg Lemond and he has doubts about raising 20+ mph up 6% + grades and 5 miles / 8 to 10 kilometers cat 1 climbs.
@@martindoolan4009 ...Remco will never win the Tour is my point ..I hate people who cant take another person point of view rude without being a dick..you are a dick
I kind of agree. I think Remco saw his best chance in dropping everybody who was in front of him in the GC, and when he found out he couldn't drop Jorgenson, the guy earned his respect. Remco seems to have more fun being Remco all week than being smart and tactical.
Remco’s biggest weakness , absolute biggest, is that he doesn’t watch this channel.
I'd be willing to bet he will see this one!
Nah, Remco is tapped into all the cycling channels/podcasts. Guarantee he watches Chris.
Slow learner with a big ego…
@@ronetele13 He backs it up, though!
I think Remco is cursed by being such a gifted rider. He has been the benefactor of just blowing the doors off everyone and winning based on his pure ability so he never had to rely on tactics as he came into his own. Now that he’s been elevated to another tier of the pro peloton he’s facing a lot of riders that are equally gifted but far more tactical. He will still win on those days where his form is significantly better than everyone else but when everything is even he’ll blow up catastrophically as we’ve seen many times now.
This has the ring of truth to it. He doesn't think through tactics like Horner 'cause so frequently, he didn't have to. At some point, he's going to lose the TdF when he could have won it and then he'll finally put his thinking cap on. To be fair, he's a young guy, so there's room to grow in wisdom, but there are a lot of other talented young riders out there. Jorgensen for example. 😉
You can learn tactics. He is still young. He will still win many races in the years to come. Think about how smart you were at his age. With the right guidance his is still going to be a major contender in big races.
i think people overrate remcos climbing. climbing wise hes not on the level of jonas or pogi and people expect too much from him. sure hes a good climber but hes a different type of rider than jonas or tadej. just like i dont see the other two beating remco in a flat TT i dont see remco beating them in the mountains. theres no evidence he can hang with them when things get tough. i think ayuso is pretty similar, insane TTer but a bit overrated as a climber.
As I see it, Remco's biggest problem is he thinks he's GOD! He's arrogant and disrespects Everyone. His only quality win is in the Vaulta, where Fred friggen Wright took out Premoz Roglic, as he outclassed Remco for the third day in a row And getting better Every day!
@@dennisdoucette9373 he won WC RR, WC ITT and LBL, what the hell are you talking about "only quality win"? are you just trolling or do you really believe what you claim?
Remco should look at how Roglic rode in the 2023 season. Like a fox! Roglic could beat anyone in the peloton, but he never wasted more energy then needed.
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There is no way Pogacar would have been ok just with a stage win being so close to GC.
To me it looked like Remco didn't think he could shake Jorgensen after his attacks that buried everyone but Jorgensen and Vlasov. Clearly, Jorgensen had the better brain, can only imagine what he was thinking, "This knucklehead is driving Miss Daisy to victory." For me, if Tadej's not in your event, you've got your best shot at a victory, do whatever it takes. I'm really happy for Jorgensen and McNulty, too!
I think it was rather obvious Remco could tell Mateo was in great shape and he couldn't make up the 30 some odd seconds for the GC win. The way his psyche works, he'd probably be embarrassed if he tried to crack Mateo but failed, so he didn't.
Fear of embarrassment and then a phone slam. Maybe but I don’t think that was it. 🤔☎️🦋
Agreed, remco didn't want to be seen to fail so he did not try. When he said in the interview that he had attacked 3 times on eze full gas, it wasn't full gas, he was holding back because he didnt want to put himself out there. Now if that is tactics or ego it's hard to say which.
And this I think is why we loved Contador so much. You knew he would fight to the end and attack mercilessly. He was much more animated and entertaining to watch.
Good analysis around the time bonus. By the way, it’s not pronounced as “Effenepool” but “A-fenepool”
@@GNX157 "We" didn't all love Clenbuterol Contador "so much."
A little drawn out with the analysis, but I do agree. Remco is too good of a rider to be settling for stage wins when he's within striking distance of GC. The talent is there, but the tactics are head scratching sometimes. It's been like this the last few years.
I was reminded in this video of Contador, 2012 Stage 17, he was second best all Vuelta to Purito but risked his podium by blowing up the race with a kamikaze attack on a random medium mountain stage and won the GC.
Fuente De. Legendary day.
That stage was all in for Contador, second means nothing. He did have just a little help from his old teammate if I remember correctly while he was out front. But what day of racing and exactly how a rider of his level race 👊👊👊👊👊👊🔥🔥🔥🦋
@@ChrisHornerCycling Yes, he got invaluable help from Tiralongo. I guess gifting him a stage in the 2011 Giro paid off. But that stuff is just a big a part of being a canny GC rider as road tactics. Indurain "had no enemies in the peloton" because in the years when he was winning the TdF GC, he made a point of not winning road stages. Contrarily, they didn't call Merckx "the Cannibal" because he ate his *enemies*; a cannibal is one who eats his own kind.
Hi Chris, interesting take. However tactics work both ways. For Jorgenson, he knows that , as you said yourself, Remco is the big favourite that has everything to lose. Remco’s best chance for victory was to drop Jorgenson. It became obvious that his form isn’t good enough yet to drop Jorgenson (no altitude yet, and we can’t underestimate Jorgenson’s current form as apart from everyone else they dropped Vlasov who hadn’t done any turn in front). I think Remco should certainly practice other ways to win, but his current modus operandi seems to bludgeon his rivals in submission with laying power down while watching his meter (Worlds, S Sebastian,…). Remco, as Pogacar, as Wout and other champions would never just sit up and not ride in this stage of a race. That’s why their fans love them. I agree the celebration was weird to say the least considering he didn’t win overall, but again entertaining and controversial. Not as good as the Godfather/ Jesus pose just before that crash though!😂💪
Totally agree.
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I think just changing the way he is fighting to win. Sitting up and waiting for the group is also trying to win. But given the pure power Remco has, he could just sit up and wait😂
Remco is not known as an elite descender and the road conditions were dangerous versus Jorgenson with local knowledge - do you think that played a part in Remco being prepared to settle after he found out Jorgenson's legs weren't empty on the points bonus?
Certainly could have but why pull on the front for so long before the time bonus. 🤔🦋👍
Nice shirt!
Yes. Came here for this!😂
This kind of commentary is why I subbed.
If Remco had not animated this race the riders would still be in Paris.What I saw is that many of these riders that have been praised are solid wheel runners . We will see their performances when they are favourites themselves
Once Remco realized his main rival Roglic wasn't a threat, he lost focus and underestimated others.
Yes. That is a very point and a good possibility. And/ or that Roglic being there some what on GC all the time effected Remco and QS decision early on during stage four even. Thanks for this. 🤔👊👊🦋
@ChrisHornerCycling agreed, still all boils down to your original point of poor tactics. To be great, sometimes you need to be Einstein on the saddle, not just on the team bus. Read the race Remco does not.
@@maxvainremco's race IQ is the worst out if the big 4 imo
You nailed it Chris!
@@KevwePatani agreed totally
Remco, IMO, and his team, are Learning how to race for GC. REMCO was SO talented in his youth, he didn't need much in the way of tactics.
Brilliant analysis! While we will never be exactly sure what went on during the Lotto-Soudal discussion the night before stage 8, it's pretty clear that Remco tries to rely more on strength than tactics to accomplish his wins.
I would love to have sat in on that meeting. 👊🦋
The phone slam down is ridiculous! Like you said, who will remember the stage win? Slam the phone if you win GC!
High level analysis and education Chris. 👍
100% agreed with Chris. I am honestly surprised someone disagreed in previous video. I was surprised that Evenepoel did’t try to go all in once they were separated. It was quite clear that he just got happy with stage. It’s starting to be his MO - once he thinks he can’t do GC, he goes for stages and then he claims that he was among the best as he did on Vuelta23. Ignoring the fact that he got do stage wins partly because nobody from top dogs was interested to chase him down as he was so far down in GC. I don’t understand why Leffevre does’t invest in some crazy good DS to offset Evenepoels lack of tactics. It doesn’t take long until Leffevre starts to trash talk Evenepoel in the Belgian press (as he often does with his own boys) if things will continue like this.
I was one of those who disagreed in the previous winner, but my point was that it was too late for Remco on Day 8. He tried 4 accelerations on the steepest longest climb and every time Matteo was in his wheel.
Look at you trying to take the shine of his results, he still had to have the legs to do what he did, no one says this crap when someone else wins in a breakaway it's just because it's Remco!
@@epincion I see. But I can’t agree with “too late” thing. 30 seconds is nothing for GC battle up the hill and for such a powerful guy as Evenepoel is. I would have much more respect for him if he would go absolutely all-in and loose the stage than, coming to finish only half empty and ridiculously slamming the phone gesture, like he “showed” to everybody.
@@martindoolan4009 yup, you are correct. It is natural to have much higher expectations from guy who is considered supertalent. That what makes stars to sit above the rest. If this would be Cian Uijtdebroeks coming 2nd in GC and stage win, people would be praising him to heaven, but we are talking here about Evenepoel whose palmares are no joke. Pls understand also that I wouldn’t mind him coming 2nd overall normally, because this race could be very well used as preparation for much bigger goals that he has this season, BUT why the phone slamming gesture then??? He didn’t show anything last week that would be mouth shutting and he had no reason to pretend that he did enough. If he would fight like a dog left and right every opportunity and then comes 2nd, then chapeaux. If he would come 2nd or even 10th because he uses this as build up, then all good….but he decided not to put up a show and slam the phone while (there I say it) possibly gifted stage? Arrogant, if you ask me. He is still young, but has enough experience at this point and he still races and behave as his 1st season….yup, you are right, hard for some to be a fans.
@lukaskaciasvili9351 clearly it is hard to be a fan, the sport is hard enough without people being critical of your every move, just enjoy the show instead of tearing someone down. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over an athletes performance and neither should anyone else because it has no baring on our lives 🤷♂️
Remco has an attitude. Saw that last year also
All one needs to do is review Remco's previous gc race results. Remco does not understand the kind of tactics that will get him first on that gc podium. He races as he sees fit to do with reckless abandon. All he needs to do is study the previous gc winners to understand what it takes to win the race and not just a stage: pacing oneself, team effort, true leadership mentality among your teammates, laying back like a fox, winning the mind games, knowing your opponents strengths and weaknesses, and all the intangibles that at the end of several days gets you victory over all for the entire race. Or you can be a one day wonder.
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💯 % agree. You could claim that his team is not the strongest. However, rewind to Remco's junior races. Basically, he rode away, and nobody could catch him again. Arriving solo. So, during this period, no tactics were needed. He improved a bit on tactics, but my guess is that he will never be a brilliant tacticus. It's not in his DNA. Hope I am wrong, but in order to win a TDF, your tactics need to be spot on. Not wasting unnecessary energy and knowing how and when to attack with the team and knowing when to ride conservative. No doubt he's probably one of the most exciting riders to watch, but that literally could cost him the win of a grand tour.
Combine Remco's mindset with the Wolfpack's mindset and they struggle to spell GC, much less win it.
Hey Chris. I have been watching your videos for about a year, other then thanks for good videos there is one thing i want to tell you.
At first i didnt like your videos because of the way you call out the bad tacktics and mistake the riders make. I was like, what is this guy talking about. But then after, watching your video to the end, you actually explain and backup everything you said. I think that is awesome and i learn something new everytime i watch your videos. I cant allways see where your going to start with, but you allways manages to either convince me, or at least explain your points so i understand them.
I have never been a cyclist, so there is sooo much i dont know about the sport. I really appreciate you teaching me all the tacktics going on in the peloton. I have played a game competitavly where i wasnt the most skilled, but i had really strong tactics, so i did realy good anyways. So i know how important tactics are and i find a sport way more facinating when i know about the tactics aswell.
So again thanks for the good explanations and insides. Sorry about my bad english and spelling. :)
It was strange to see Remco working so hard for what resulted to be very little 🤔. Don’t the riders have radios that are linked in to respective the team cars?. Don’t the bikes have a GPS tracker that gives the team car the rider’s position on the course?. In that case they should have directed him to fall back 🤔.
He should have been told to NOT pull Jorgenson to the line (for 2nd on the stage, which would result in a GC win).
I agree Remco was not very adept at the way things were playing out, and recognizing the GC would be up for grabs if he sat back and waited for the rest of the field. In that case the fight would have been on ☝️😲.
Even if it meant winning the stage, this was an example of what not to do. Awesome chat/breakdown Chris ✌🏼😎.
If Remco decides not to work and lets the chase group bridge up, then he risks not winning the stage in the chaos. Already knows he can't drop Matteo for the GC win.
Remco is super strong in the sprint. Who would beat him? Roglic?
C’mon… that’s simply not true.. if Remco doesn’t work he wins the sprint 1000% 😏
@@andreasabels589There could be several late attacks with everyone else looking at him too control. Controlling a group is much harder than controlling one rider.
Moreover if he only relies on this sprint, he would still finish behind McNulty in GC.
Evenepoel didn't have the legs to drop Jorgensen.....(at least the way he WANTED to) Instead of acting as the ultimate Jumbo domestique, from 25km out he should have played Jorgensen, and gone all out in trying to blow Jorgensen in the head games grab max time bonuses (even if it's a 2 sec gain) then all chips in to gain enough to leapfrog...at least if he'd got 2nd swinging like a madman and working on shelving his ego and strengthening his poker game (important for July!) would have given him greater gains and kudos!.... I'm 100% with you on this one Chris
Agreed! RE needs to change his mindset. I don’t agree though that the DS traded GC for A stage win. He’s done this before, Unless, this is what quickstep likes. He can be greater, why settle? With his resume, his mind needs to be racing for #1 on GC, everything else is last place. Seems like this happened in La Vuelta as well, kinda just settled. Gave up a chance to display dominance on Angrilu etc. He will not win TDF keeping status quo. AC taking 4th and giving up 2nd and 3rd because of racing for nothing but 1st is a perfect example.
Would love to hear your thoughts on Roglic's (under)performance last week. A more focused and targeted build-up towards July, a clear sign of a man past his prime, or somewhere in between with maybe some bad luck too? I'd love nothing more than to see him win the Tour, but wondering if maybe it's time to give up that hope
He talked about it a bit yesterday. Roglic is focussed on hitting peak form in July. He is using early season races to reach that form and doesn't care about winning as much as previous years.
@@Mike-rm1lb that's been my uneducated assessment, and yes, I was just throwing out my vote for the next Beyond the Coverage if Chris feels like making another one about this race 🦋👊
Good video there I am sure. 👊🦋
Too early to say what his form will be like. But Roglič usually seems to have one bad/badish day. Bora has to plan for that.
For me it looks like roglic is pulling a Froome.
He might prove me wrong but in his age sudden decline is much more likely than sudden improvements.
But Bora in general looks in a pretty bad spot during the early stages of the season. Except Dani all riders are out of shape, additionally pollit left which was an important part of their team, their TT and sprint preparation capabilities. Sam left as well.
Looking at their points they got overtaken by a huge margin by the us/ita team sponsored by a German company (Lidl) and are right now fighting with teams like Israel, tudor, arkea, Jayco and the two biggest losers dsm and cofidis for some relevance. Biggest winner in my opinion is ofc decathlon, using complete new (and cheap) equipment and still having such good results is just impressive.
Good evening Chris....I agreed with you yesterday....it's not the RE whe are used to....he made a tactical error earlier in the race....but it seems to me that his fighting spirit went out the door when he realized others were not willing to help him.....
Yep. Agreed. Something was lost from Remco to settle for second that easily. 😳🤔🦋
80% agree. Especially the phone slam. Jerk move.
Remco has a big record of jerk moves
Every rider does something. I used to point at my thighs....LMAO
Dry your eyes
What I love that kobe. To think how it's become so common since Shelton invented it at the US Open, I'm loving everyone copying him. Even seen football players do it when they score the winning goal! :)
You might be right tactics wise, but Remco said he went all out 3 times and couldn't drop Jorgenson at all....
So he should stop trying now and just pull him to the time bonus and the finish? I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. 3 is enough second is ok ? If you don’t drop after the third try it won’t happen ? 🤔🦋
@@ChrisHornerCycling yeah, you’re right, he should have stopped pulling at all. What about his DS, he’s a knucklehead too😕
Never agree more with you! Perfect analysis!
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Love the t-shirt.
Few riders are like Alberto Contador that will risk their spot for the overall win. Pantani always made races exciting with his attacking. Kept riders on their toes.
Yep. Alberto went only for the big wins that left no guessing who the best was. 🥈👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
Tactically, you are completely right, Chris. However, in a later interview, Matteo confirmed that it was pretty, though to stay in the wheel of Remco on these climbs. So my guess is that Remco was OK to keep pulling (too) long in order to settle for a 2nd place in the general classification, and Matteo rewarded him with a stage victory, which is very important for Remco. You are 💯% right that you can win a tour without a stage win. Tell it to Remco. Good luck, you will need it. In all fearness, Matteo was strong enough to keep Remco's wheel and definitely outsmarted Remco. I agree tactically. Remco should have told Matteo that either you work for the jersey, not me, or I pull back to the 2nd group, and you might lose the jersey. So, I agree. After Friday's stage, Remco told in an interview that he would ride during the weekend based on how he felt not by tactics. So I knew exactly he would attack without thinking tactically. Great analysis and Chris, you would make a great team leader with all your experience. Any ambition?
A DS cell phone rings 24/7 and they are gone from home all the time. I would like a different roll from a DS, a job where you travel much less. 🤔🦋👊
@ChrisHornerCycling True Chris a director sportif sacrifices a lot. Never home. Basically, there is no private live, and besides we (fans) would lose your brilliant comments on your channel. The best channel out there in my view and many other fans would agree. I watch other channels as well, but with yours, it challenges me to think broader and I actually learn from it. Many genuine thanks to you and your team. Stay 💪
Tell us how it really was, Chris!
You always do, thanks.
Another thing to think about, while I don’t know the details admittedly - I genuinely wonder if Remco has a contract that highly incentivizes jerseys and stage wins. I know he’s a GC guy, but if you look at how hard he backed off in the Vuelta, and targeted stages and the KOM Jersey, now this. He’s on he podium, I’m sure he gets a decent incentive for that, but he definitely calculated the points and made sure he got those Jerseys. He got screwed in the TTT, sure, which all but cost him the GC baring a crash. This way he salvaged as much as he could. Sometimes that’s all you can do. Jorgenson has also gone up a notch and can hold him off in a week long stage race with that bad luck. They were 17 seconds up at the time check before the rain. They got absolutely dumped on and it evaporated their whole week. 8 day stage race just wasn’t long enough to make that up.
So I like your idea here and that could be a possibility. If that is the case though then I only have a problem with the phone slamming down after he got second overall on GC because I’m not sure why you would want to send a message to Pog and Jonas that you just got second to Jonas’ domestique. 😜😂🦋👍
@@ChrisHornerCycling, to be fair, Jonas got beat by Jonas’s domestique last year too :-P
@@ChrisHornerCycling You’re absolutely right about the phone thing, but it’s not honest to use it to close all arguments.
Chris.....you're right on as usual.....even Johann Bruyneel agrees with you....
Honestly, I'm going to predict that if all the favorites are healthy, Remco won't be in the top 5 in the Tour.
Totally agree, @gregorybertrand645.
Thanks Chris!
Comparing Alberto Contador to Remco Evenpoel, is interesting, to say the least. However, it might be similar to comparing Apples & Oranges. Remco did throw down everything he could with attacks. In the very end, it was only one rider who could hold his wheel and match his final attacks in this race, just one, Never ever did Alberto Contador win Liege Bastogne Liege, or win a Time Trail World Championship. I think Remco gave everything out there. It was an exciting Paris Nice and far easier to make a video criticizing other folks' race tactics, compared to actually making the differences in races such as Paris Nice. You do make some good points, but these riders are doing their own thing out there, the same as you did in your career. I would like to ask one favor! Can I do one video with you, please? You are a hero to so many and I personally want to interview you for just one video and ask you about some of the amazing racing you did, some questions highlighting your race history and the legendary names you competed against. It would be an outstanding video to dig deep into your career versus the best from that time period and discuss some of the amazing rides, tactics, and results you achieved. Let's do this! Please.
Lets assume the Remco really wanted to win CG. Could he take 40s difference ahead in 30km?
One climb with 13.5 k to go might be enough. But we will never know now. 🤔🦋👍
I think Jorgensen is better climber than Remco on steeper long climbs. I have no doubt about it
@@user-rj4kh7dm4u strange reasoning, are you sure or do you think about it?
You nailed it Chris!
Great and entertaining analysis as always, and great to see that you always devote your time to read and react to comments, it really adds a lot of value to this channel.
Difference with Contador is that he already had won the TdF before, so only first place really mattered. Untill now Remco hadn't even won a race in France, so it makes much more sense to settle for GC podium and stage win than risking everything for a ((very) small chance of winning GC.
Alberto Contador was one of my favorite racers to watch, specifically because he didn't care about second place. If he was out there he was going to do something bold.
I admit to being a TVLB fan mostly because of tactics. It's why I subscribe to this channel. So I don't mind Remco's inability to make a good decision under stress and I think his team should have helped him make the decision. I like that TVLB shows up to the race with plan A,B,C,D and a possible. I also like Ineos's hold my beer I'm going to try something attitude, it keeps me entertained. Matteo was probably pointing out potholes that are coming up, pointing to his house and his favorite bakery letting Remco think "Dude this is just my training ride." Remco had already tried to shake him several times and he knew Matteo came second to Pogacar last year and thought second place and a stage win would keep the Belgian press off my back if this guy rides off from me.
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Chris, the issue with Remco is his ego. He wants to win like Pocagar or Vingegaard. He tried to dislodge Jorgensen by climbing on tempo. When he realized that he couldn’t he settled for the stage. He neddds to give up any preconceived notion of himself and start riding with a calculator on his mind.
Jorgenson even gave Remco the stage, he was in far better shape and his energy was Not fading.
"Do the calculation!"
Whole heartedly agree Chris 👍.
Just can't take to Remco , with all his petulance and posing .
Needs to sort out between the ears and be a bit more humble
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Thanks Chris ...is the buttondown on the chesterfield ? Papillon !
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You've got to work all the way to the end because what happens if you have mechanical or a flat or a crash. You've got to put as much time on the chasers as you can.
I couldn't comment yesterday because I was on a time out by YT. But Remcos little phone deal was kinda pathetic in my book. Because I think if Jorge wanted to he could have smoked Remco. And Remco is tactically inept.
Remco underestimated Jorge. But Chris I think Jorge was a little stronger and smarter then Remco.
And I actually ordered me a Matty J. TShirt from Visma. I usually don't ever do that but I got one of Sipp and Jorge..Great take on everything Chris..
Good thing you got TH-cam up and going again Slayer. 👊🦋
Remco should be happy after stage 8, becouse, before stage 8 : no stage wins, no podium in GC, no Jersey.
After stage 8: 2nd in GC, stage win, 2 Jerseys. Made some mistakes, but stage 8 went well for him overall. Earlier in the race nobody worked with him. Matteo was the only one.
I would have loved to see Jorgenson act like he was picking up the phone and answering the call as he went across the finish line.
I support your point of view, Chris. Have been watching the race and was asking myself in awe why Remco was doing the job, instead of having Jorgenson doing at least his part, and then attack Jorgenson on the final climb. Remco is one of those exceptional riders capable of gaining more than half a minute on Jorgenson, taking the GC and everything.
But all through the 8 stages of this race Remco was not the exceptional rider everyone expected to see, just like Roglic was not an exceptional rider either. Plus to give Matteo credit he rode every day well
@@epincion I do recognize Jorgenson's performance and congratulate him, but that does not take away the fact that Evenepoel made some costly tactical mistakes, in his eagerness to take most of the work on himself. Had Jorgenson done his part of the effort to stay away in the break, the last climb could have had a more favorable outcome for Remco. But this is sports, it's not only capabilities, but being the smarter guy; Jorgenson did...
It does not make any sense for someone like Remco to go for anything less than GC win. full stop
Correct! Only if some sort of trouble removed him from overall contention should he be happy with stage wins.
Agreed 👊🦋
Remco wins the points, the mntns, a stage, gets second in the GC, and pepole think it was some sort of fiasco.
… 2nd in a preparation race he tries for the first time, without been on altitude camp yet, as most of his competitors….
Because he is such a conceited, pretentious douche.
He’s the most attractive rider for sure. Like all the greatest stars..you love him or you hate him. It’s easy to spew criticism from your chesterfields 🤷🏽♂️.
Thanks alot for your fantasticn analysis ...remco doesnt known how to race...contador was a beast...he attackes all the time ...with no reason ...
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Irrelevant, but curious…
Chris, what are you wearing on your collar?
What makes your takes so relatable is that you explain them so clearly. And, if anything you say is controversial at least you provide solid reasoning to back your observations. Well reasoned, respectful dialogue is great to see (and hear).
Hey Chris, thanks for your interesting post analysis regarding Remco's tactics. However we're not fully sure we buy your explanation as we felt had Remco sat up with Mattao, that Mattao would not have waited for the rest of the bunch as you surmised he would have. We think that's a bit unrealistic given the fact that Mateo proved time and time again that he could go with Remco.
Lastly, many of us notice that you seem to avoid saying Matteo Jorgensen's first name. It really jumped out to us when, at the very end, you said, "congratulations to "Jorgensen" ...". Why not say the full name of our newest winning American cyclist? He deserves such respect for his great accomplishment.
It's not a hard&fast rule, but if first/last name exceed 5 syllables, typically the last name is used. Americans really, really like 3-syllable first/last name combos, 4 is tolerable, 5 is pushing it.😆
Yes!
No hesitation here, going straight in for the win. 😜👊 🏆🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
No ironed shirt today? Still look great! Thanks for all the great content!
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What Chris is basically saying is what Stephen Roach said years ago , you have to be prepared to lose it to win it , Chris won't remember this but l was in Austria in 06 at the world's and was walking around the circuit early in the morning when Chris zoomed around a corner l was standing at , he then sat up taking of arm warmers , this was before the race started, l recognised him immediately and shouted Hello Chris , he heard me and shouted thanks man and waved, class and style right there 👍
I feel they choose to bank UCI points (2nd on GC and Stage win) over a uncertain GC win. Soudal Quick-Step ranking heavily rely on Remco's points.
Someone already said it kn the last video, but I think Chris would make an excellent director
I'm surprised he hasnt been swiped by some team
When Roglic did his big attack, Remco had to go deep to bring him back. Matteo took advantage of that moment. It was Remco's race to loose. The deal between Remco and Mateo is because of pressure. If Remco would not made podium, he would have been crucified. Roglic did far worse than Remco. But there was not much criticism on Roglic? When Pogacar looses the Tour de France two years in a row, there is hardly criticism towards Pogi either. How do you explain that? Criticism towards Remco has always been out of proportion. He rode a hell of a Paris-Nice.
The best analogy would be, even with Primoz's poorer legs, if he were in Remco's shoes on that last stage, he wouldn't have done all that work just to win the stage. It's inexperience, the folly of being strong and youthful.
how much responsibility lies with his management in the car following the race? Stage six seems like a tactical error , but aren't the "guys on the radio" also watching and analyzing the race in real time and relaying their thoughts and strategies to the riders? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this Chris. How much autonomy does Remco ( or any rider for that matter) have in situations like we saw at the top of Tourettes- Sur-Loup....
I like your take, Chris, but it seems to me that, with all the talk of the GRAND tour in July, this one-week early-season tour was a stepping-stone tune-up for it and Remco's duel was against Primoz and he could rightfully say he won that, hands down and phone down. And it does seem that he revels in stage wins, understandably so, and with his peers doing long-distance solo breakaways to victory in other early-season races, maybe he just wanted to send a message to them and himself that he could do it, too. And all in all, I'd say he made lemonade out of that final stage, winning it and getting the podium and the other jerseys. And in closing, I'd say we all need to hear more from this gentleman named Bob whom you so often quote these days. Perhaps he could provide a daily rebuttal. 😀
The message isn't all that clear when he not only doesn't win solo but also cannot get a weaker domestique off his wheel to get a GC win.
Pretty sure Jonas got a good chuckle out of it.
We need a Bob response section for sure. 😂👊🦋
@@WesternUranusI like Remco for his over-the-top baseball-slugger bluster which always has him swinging for the fence. And the fact that he can't help it, he acts like it's always the bottom of the ninth with a losing team he has to will to victory. And maybe it's just an act but I'd say he had a great week last week, he won the final stage and he won his duel against Primoz and, credit his maturing, he said he won't make those mistakes again. And maybe Jonas did get a chuckle, who knows, but Remco is good for his brand and his team and his sport. 😀
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Paris-Nice was very strange for Evenepoel and Quick-Step in general. Aside from the tactical mistakes, it definitely felt that the team moved the goalpost for Evenepoel’s expected result. The GC overall was definitely within his reach, but his attempts to claim it were halfhearted at best.
Now we don’t know if Evenepoel received team orders to prioritize the relatively easy stage win over a more complicated GC victory. If that’s the case, we might need a different video to explain why.
The jerseys behind me in the video were there for that exact story but I didn’t have time left to go into story today. The short version for you here is. I won Cali the year before. I was losing the next year with only the last big mountain stage left. The team told me on that stage (Baldy)to go for the stage win. I said no I want GC, I went for GC because the stage meant nothing to me personally. I lost but damn was it a good stage to watch and I would take that over an easy stage win while losing GC still every time. 👊🦋
@@ChrisHornerCyclingWow, thanks for the insight. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about team orders vs rider personal goals in a future video.
How bout a video recapping tirreno adriatico?
Yes your analysis is very interesting but being at the coalface is a differrent thing. I think Remco was tactically making a mistake by working with Jorgenson but I think he realised that he could not take enough time from him to win the race. He capitualated, loseing is bad but not as bad as being killed by the enenmy.
You are 100% correct cause many of his sponsors who don’t understand the sport would love a stage win. Some pats on the back are better than none if you don’t like to be lonely. 😜👊🦋
Chris - what makes you think Jorgenson doesn’t continue to ride on with Vlasov if Remco drops off? I don’t think Jorg allows his lead to go down to the chasers.
OK, you have me mostly convinced. We agree on 99% of the facts, anyway. I still don't think Remco was happy to win the stage - he made his "signature" celebration phone call, but his face and body language were dejected. Switching topics, what do you think are the prospects for Remco getting smarter? Lots of young riders make mistakes, but I don't like that Remco's post-race analysis is so bad. It's hard to learn from your mistakes if you don't know what they are.
@chris horner. Bloody brilliant 🤜
Had the roads being dry maybe Remco could have attempted dropping Jorgenson but I still believe that whatever he would have gained on the climb Jorgenson would have taken back on the descent. He knows every turn of the course as it is his training grounds. Yes, they made tactical mistakes in earlier stages but we also have to remember that he came into this raise thinking Roglic was his main adversary.
I agree Chris. Remco's tactics need to improve but at the same time his lack of tactics make him a very attractive rider to watch.
As always, great analysis!
The time bonuses and all that, at the heat of the race, you can not think clearly therefore the team car plays a crucial role in supplying information to Remco and should be telling him what and what not to do. They have communication.
Remco disappointed me here too. I still love him as a rider, the phone slam was ridiculous, but he’s still a great talent.
I do believe that Roglic sandbagged~ I think this is a smart move looking towards the ultimate goal.
He's 34 maybe he wasn't sandbagging and he's just too old to keep up with the young guns on his own team
It’s almost 40 seconds… he would have had to have done a Contadoresque break on climb one for a chance to win GC.. I don’t like it either, but Remco was going all in for the stage win 🤷🏽♂️
Yes, agree totally. Remco should have won the race given his talent. He seems to be a rider that needs to be told what to do rather than think on his own during the crucial moments. Slamming the phone down was comical given the fact that he lost Paris-Nice! Jorgensen must have thought; "this gut is an idiot." Thanks Chris, the inside story is always clear from a rider who's been there, you!
Chris, assuming remco will come back to the group of mcnulty, roglic… then jorgenson will not pull as well since there is only 4 sec gap between him and mcnulty. Jorgenson will defintely attack on the last 1-2 km only… then remco will not have time to make a big gap to everyone. Then maybe your narrative will also be different. We can agree to disagree to your suggestion to remco but some of us will do the same as what remco did on this stage…. I think you can be critical to him in other stages but not on this stage.
Chris I am a huge fan of Back to the Future. I bought a shirt recently at Universal. Didn’t see the one you are wearing. Where did you get. Love it
100% agree with Chris. It looks like it never crossed Evenpoel’s mind to win that race. I had no clue what was the meaning of the phone hanged up 🤪
Anyway…we’re used to strange moments with Remco.
They had an agreement, Remco said. Remco pulls and gets the stage. Matteo gc
Remco new the GC was gone, so he went for the stage.
Indeed, he just about said so himself. Props to our American friend who showed a lot of racing matureness.
Seems like the DS had plenty of time to tell Remco what to do. How much of the blame is on the DS and how much on REMCO? Also, do you think they can they fix this for the TDF ( hoping for chaos)?
Bonefication and knuckleheadism, you're on fire
Boneheadification!
If Remco sat up after the bonus, wouldn’t Jorgenson make a deal with Vlasov. I know Vlasov wasn’t as strong but even after getting dropped, he finished almost 50 seconds ahead of the other GC favorites. Remco would have had to pull that group up to Jorgenson and Vlasov, which is risky. I believe Bora would have gone all in for a stage, given their race disappointments.
If Remco stopped working, the whole group stops, and every one is together again. It wouldn’t be just Remco going back. 👍🦋
@@ChrisHornerCyclinggotta disagree with you here, Chris. Jorgenson in his home town, on a high, and pushing to a major win? He would solo it, or try his best, I gotta think.
Chris, I appreciate the response. The one thing missed by every analyst I’ve heard was that Matteo was not going to let a rider sit on and pip them at the line. Matteo expressed his distaste for Skjelmose getting a free ride with he and McNulty. He allowed it on stage 6 but helped Remco on stage 8 just enough on stage 8 to drop Vlasov.
So, I agree with you that he wasn’t going with Vlasov if Vlasov was going to sit on. That’s my long winded way of saying you’re probably right.
Awesome T-shirt.
Enjoying it…
Remember when Vicenzo Nibali ignored an American rider during the early stages of the 2013 Vuelta?
Remco is still young and he will learn if he wants to be one of the greats.
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I don't understand why remco slams the phone when he wins. its like he cycles and attacks with a lot of anger and not because he loves it.
My guess is Remco didnt think he could drop Matteo.
Jorgenson must be a subscriber and regular viewer here! LOLS
I accidentally re-watched a stage 4 summary - To me it looks like Evenopol never really cared about GC to begin with, maybe there was a decision before the race not to go for it. Or possibly he just doesn’t really get the whole idea of GC…
Having the talent and the physical ability is one thing... knowing how to use it is quite another... until Remco grows up and demonstrates the ability to make sound tactical decisions and has the team/team work/team tactics to support him... he won't, at least in my eyes... be a serious Grand Tour threat... much less a consistent stage race threat... Hell... he just got through getting his butt kicked by a "domestique" in the Vuelta (LOVED IT!)... and Visma did it to him a second time, just for good measure (LOVED IT ! again)... 😮
Brilliant commentary. I'm in a master class...my Cycling IQ I 210 now
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