NEW King Seiko - This Was A Strange Move ?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ค. 2022
- King Seiko has been left dormant since 1975. The Quartz revolution mean't the love for mechanical watches wavered. While in the 80's Grand Seiko was the revised branch to embody the luxury and technological essence of Seiko, the King still remained untouched! Until this year in 2022! A reinterpretation of a 1965 calibre 4400 KSK, the NEW SPB283j1 shines a light on a Seiko past not everyone knows about.
However, with the heavy price tag, was it worth bringing back??
Thats the question I try to answer this week!
BECOME AN MWC CERTIFIED MEMBER!?
Exclusive behind the scenes content, watch giveaways, members only posts and get more involved with the future content! Plus get to see the shows before anyone else!
OR
Support the channel and buy a coffee www.buymeacoffee.com/MWC2020
MERCH! - INSTAGRAM - INTRO MUSIC - AMAZON SHOP - FACEBOOK GROUP - CLICK THE LINK BELOW!
linktr.ee/Mwc2020
FRANCIS & GAYE JEWELLERS
BUY THE WATCH
www.francisandgaye.co.uk/king...
Contact Ryan and tell him I sent you!!
sales@francisandgaye.co.uk
#seiko #seikowatches #kingseiko #spb283j1 #spb285j1 #spb287j1 #spb281j1 #sje083j1 #seikodresswatch #grandseiko - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
I completly agree with you about the movement. I dont mind in my Willard, it make's it even more vintage but King Seiko Is KING so he deserve a better movement. With a better movement this line would be more than a Presage with angular shape. btw your wife segment is so funny/true.
Yes agree Christian! The wife shoots from the hip!
100% Should have had a no-date version of the 6L35 and the traditional King Seiko gold medallion on the caseback.
You guys are totally correct,bought one two monitors ago.I’ve already had to send back for repair.
@@renehernandez6905 What was wrong with it?
@@varanid9 kept horrible time.Lost several minutes per day.If I tried to wind it,you could feel something was wrong with winding mechanism.
I think it is THE WATCH for a person who can afford only one watch and has been saving for a long time for that one perfect watch that is symetrical, basic and affordable to service and is perfect on a small wrist.
I think there are not many watches that can do this.
Pretty much answered everything I was looking for. Excellent Review Russell 👍🏻, You've nailed it.
Love your channel, it’s like Saturday morning TV from back in the day with watches. Amazing!
Craig! Appreciate that a lot ! I’m filling a void that’s for sure!
I’m a sucker for King Seiko 🤩😍!! Love their designs from the 70’s!!! I somehow found myself owning 3 KS, from 1973, 74’ and ‘75. They all have the SMOOTHEST seconds hand movement ever!
Exactly my friend!!! The king is the pinnacle of Seiko!!! Putting this engine in it surely disrespects the legacy????
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR No. it is definitely not the fitting movement for this piece-especially regarding the legacy they carry..
@@Zotrax1946 and price
Mad by name mad by nature, i really like this KS, you done it again with the description - very good great review thanks Russell
Cheers Ian!!! Hope you got back home ok!
So, I uh....REALLY want to see that Pagani family crest. Maybe put it on a beret or sports coat? I'd buy one.
Needs to happen!!!
I’m with ya bud!!! Want it on a T-shirt
I second this!
Great video. Love your work!
Great review! I am enjoying my SPB281! Looks amazing and wears amazing 😊
Nice review. Thanks! I have been incredibly lucky finding a vintage King Seiko. Maybe look for an old one yourself? Also, I was also happy to find a king quartz at what appears to be a super cheap price. I think the latter are fabulous, and you really only see the quality of the fit and finish in real life, I feel? Don’t dismiss the king quartz bargains!
I would have buy a King Seiko reissue with 18mm lugs width and a higher grade movement. Changes between presage aren't enough to justify it, and will be satisfied with my presage sarx055 and my two vintage Seiko 45-7001 and 4402-8000. Looks forward to see more king Seiko reissues, great video as always ☺️
Enjoyed this video, as I enjoy them all!! Just picked up my second Seiko-a Flightmaster!! It’s my second Seiko chrono, too….
Nice review, as usual 🙂
Regarding the movement complain: It's not the frequency that is "out of place" for a King Seiko (after all, the first KS back in the 60's had lower beating calibers). It's the quality and the accuracy that matters! A 6R in by no means a proper movement for a "King".....
Another great review, Russ, and informative as always. I might take a leaf out of Mr Pagani's book in this hot weather.....
Great Vid!
Just a fantastic and very informative review...the best watch channel going... movement criticism is spot on but I guess it's not a deal breaker tbf 👍 keep up the awesome work...also...no date 👍😁 yeeees!
Nino! Thank you very much my friend!!
Older king seikos where truly special with high beating movements and a wonderful gold medallion on the caseback.
Brilliant - thanks
Totally agree with your conclusions about this King Seiko 👍
Great review many thanks!
Cheers Eric!
Great reveiw Russ, love what the wife says, I can imagine she also added, it looks like something grandad would wear
Oh 100% :]
Bro…. From America, you’ve become one of my favorite channels
Appreciate that a lot my friend thank you!!!
Great video as always Russ. Too small for me, my sla043 is 40mm and I'm considering selling that , as it's still a tad small. Prefer a 42mm for me as I've got 7 and a half inch wrists. Yep I think I am selling my beloved sla043. Probably regret it, lol.
Great review and great watch. I plan to pick one up but my local AD hasn't got any in yet, save for the limited edition purple one. Only improvement they should do, is add in the 6L or 8L movement. I have two Marine Masters that use the 8L and thats an amazing movement, 28,000 bph, perfect sweep.
Absolutely beautiful my friend! Very jealous!
At $1800 USD this is overpriced, but at $1,000 USD I’d buy it instantly. Your analysis is spot-on, as always.
Agreed Andrew!
At 1000$ overpriced , at 500$ not instantly to buy , its might at 350$ instantly to buy it.
I like it! But agree with you on the movement at that price. Too dressy and too small for me personally, so it would never get worn, but I do like the look of it. Great review as always!
Cheers Ben!! It’s a collectors watch for sure . It’s close to being great!;)
Love it so elegant but needs to be 4 HZs should have called it the Prince seiko with that movement 😂
hahahaha well said Phil!
Damn and with a Prince price tag it would be the perfect one collection no brainer watch
I bought the red dial version of the king. It is a watch you need to see in person, handle it. Really a stunner of a watch........ waiting for a better movement. Very much like my sarx055, 057. Better motor please.The measured size is deceptive. Looks larger because of the case and bracelet integration. Fits my 7.25 in wrist well.
I payed much less than retail so I can't complain about the value.
Definitely a contender for a grail watch but just out of my price range. Maybe with a good reduction or voucher it could be achievable. Excellent review again Russel. 👌🏾👀👐🏾
Agreed SG! Thanks for watching!
Loved the dial on the limited edition version though wasn't enough for me to purchase it . Will wait to see what future releases they will do
Too funny and spot on. Liked and subscribed.
Michael! Appreciate that !! Thanks for the support!
Mr.P, I salute your familes crest!
Seiko have alot strenght in producing beautiful looking watches . But if it is not QC issues they cut in other areas like this time like you say the movement . Unless you want a GS Seiko , the G stands Grands as in ( thousands ) . Great review & I chuckled at your wifes views 🥳🙌👍
I love this piece! But prefer my KS inspired Halios Universa bc it's thinner, has an SW210 manual wind, and the quick adjust button on the outside of the clasp.
I fucking love this guy. Always puts a smile on my face. Does good reviews too
looks fantastic
Most entertaining video, as always. The King Seiko is ok. As you said, an engine and a lume away from a really nice watch.
Great review and sharing your wife opinion is fantastic idea. thank you sir 👍
The red one 🔥
the 'gary-you buy(???)' dial? 😅
I totally agree with you, great size, nice dial, even like the bracelet and can live without lume - but not enough Hz. Btw, could you please show Mr. Pagani's family crest? :-D
Yes! needs that's 4HRZ!! Thanks for watching my friend!
I wish these things came with the date and a high beat movement (36000 beats per hour like the original), and display caseback. If I was paying that much, these things would be my expectations
Your wife is spot on 💥
100% agree movement and lume and a drop in price. i also agree with i have to many watches to be bothered with power reserve
I feel they could of made this watch feel a little more special by adding a real gold king seiko emblem on the case back just like the originals had, that would of been really cool. Strap looks nice but 19mm?!? Cmon why?? I much prefer the re issue of the 44 ks. Brilliant work as always though russ, looking forward to the next one 👍👌
Very nice video once again! The price on this piece is way off for the movement it has. Also there's a lot of dust or some dirt on indices. Seems like the QC issues continue to bother even the King line-up.
New version is even much better !!!
Enjoyable review Russ. and as someone on the show says, "I like it"!
For me the lume is not too important as I feel its 100% dress watch material. The bracelet looks excellent James Bondish even,
No date window "good," I dislike date windows, horrible little aperture's. But was shocked when you said the tick is the same as the Seiko SAK809. Not good. Price, I would see if one comes up on eBay in a year or so.
Totally agree my friend!
Looks really good
Lovely looking watch
As far as i know GS and KS were both founded by Seiko in order to compete each other in making the best watches. The "winner" would then be put up against the swiss.
That way by declaring GS their top-of-the-line brand (Credor didn't exist back then) KS had already lost and, as much as i like the vintage KS pieces, the question remains why bring back the second best contender?
Nice video as always, thanks for the entertainment. 👍
I really love the look of this King Seiko but no lume!? I know it’s more on the dressy side but surely everybody loves a bit of lume? The lack of lume combined with the lower beat rate movement for this kind of money and the odd lug width means this is one I’m happy to admire from afar.
Fantastic show as always MWC 👏👏👏👏
Well said Gareth! Im with you! Admire from afar !
What does $ cost have to do with the HZ a watch operates at. Seriously. So you wouldn't buy an FP Journe at retail? Come off it people what is the matter here.
Completely with you in the admiration department but why do you need lume on a dress watch? A watch you probably wear at night, in bars, picking up ladies. If successful, are you timing how long the boink takes? 🤣🤣🤣
@@JayandSarah FP Journe undoubtedly has other qualities then beat rate. A Seiko, no matter what branch of company, is only a Seiko and therefor needs to win on specs. Like beat rate.
@@harryhirsch3637 Higher beat rate = less durability. There's a reason Seiko watches have a reputation for toughness.
Great show, great watch but like you said too ££££££ for that type of movement. I think I would prefer a cocktail time if I wanted a dressier Seiko. Cheers 👍
Good shout Jim!
As a beginner of this hobby, I'm waiting for proper successor of sarb033 line. Thanks for your review.
Superb my friend
Ha, I agree with your wife Russ. Love her comments, especially the "old man strap". Too expensive for what you get. Did you see the orange NASA G Shock that dropped today. Multi band 6, tough solar, positive display and ORANGE at $170 USD. I ordered one as soon as I got the text. I bet your wife will give it thumbs up.
It's definitely a handsome piece, and i would be proud to have it in my collection. However, i would not be willing pay that much for it. I'm out!
Well said Dan! Me to!
When I visited the Seiko store (with Grand Seiko), this King Seiko was the one that drew me in the most! I found it more attractive than Grand Seiko. 😁
I’m King ready 🙌👏🍾🤙🏻
Yes!!
Why not a "HI-BEAT" ??? Or am I old fashioned? I own an old KS and the sound and second hand movement always makes me ... smile. Well nearly always.
Your doorbells is driving my dog crazy!
Sorry David!!! Sorry dog!!!!
Absolutely love that it has no date and no lume! I’m a wee bit lumed out. If that’s a word 🤷🏼♂️ Unfortunately I can’t buy one right now. My next victim is a CWC Reissue (what does the wife think of those?). But I have seen the KS silver sunburst and it is magnificent! I agree about the movement but this watch is too juicy to let a little thing like that drive it off my list! My bank account weeps…Long live the King! 👑
It's really nice if you're after something from the 1970s without the ball ache of a vintage watch, but outside of that? Don't know. Anyway, isn't that movement the same as my Seiko Alpinist SPB117?
YES!
Mr. Pagani keeps me coming back .
Get the poor chap an air-conditioner . And the wife really has good taste in watches ( so do you buddy) . Good show ....
Hahahaha thanks Nick!
Great review Russ and I couldn't agree more with you. For the same reasons you noted, mostly the inferior movement, this is a hard pass for me... cheers mate 👍
It’s a shame as again I want to love it Felo!
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR Someday Seiko will make our dreams a reality 🙂 Be well my friend 👍
Seiko definitely needs a mid tier 4hz movement. Something along the lines of the miyota 9000 series. But Swatch group putting different versions of it's powermatic 80 movement in many of their watches in the $1,000 price point makes it look more acceptable. Taking a 4hz movement and slowing it down to get more power reserve seems silly.
Agree totally Mike
There's really a lot for going for this but agreed on the movement, needed to be high beat and also, 19mm lugs, come on Seiko. I wouldn't mind if the bracelet had a clasp you could fine tune but it needed to be 20mm. Great work with the review as always
Thank you once again for watching my friend! Appreciate that! Sometimes it feels Seiko do no market research !!???
Absolute stunner, I was having "ding dong" vibes right up until the movement was mentioned, Seiko mugging folk off again....🏴⌚🏴⌚
Definitely a mug off!!!!
There are many more expensive watches that use movements with less than 4hz eg. Omega movements are 3.5hz. I agree with you that for the price SEIKO charged for this watch, I expect better quality movements, however, not necessary have to be 4hz movements.
Agree with Mrs MWC although don't mind the hands 👌
Cheers Dale!!
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR too expensive for the movement in the back as you say, with that movement it needs to be 6 to 800 ish
Handsome watch. I'll wait a bit for prices to drop. Lume isn't really necessary, no probs with the mvt. myself, but should have been a 4 Hz.
Thanks for watching my friend
As the 3hz movement doesn’t bother me in divers or tool watches, in a dress watch at this price point is a little poor. The case is fab, however the dial I find a little uninspiring.
Fab review as always 😊
Cheers my friend!
Is the stated accuracy not diabolical as well? +/- 15 seconds or similar?
AAAAAND , ITS A NO FROM ME ! TOO EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT YOU ARE GETTING . GREAT CONTENT AS EVER MY FRIEND!! HA HA !
Have to agree my friend! Love it though which is the annoying thing! Thanks for watching Mal!!!
Who needs lume with such shiny hands? 🤩
True!!
Mr Pagani was hilarious 👍. I'm not worried about the beat rate, I am not convinced 4Hz is necessarily more accurate, but I am sure 3Hz will last longer due to less stress and wear to components. However, it is too expensive and the lugs look too long to me.
I don’t like the 3hz sweep my friend, it looks cheap like a Vostok!;) accuracy of the 6L is still plus minus 15/20 seconds I think still! I’m not sure they are in touch with us Seiko lovers like the Swiss brands like Hamilton are with there fan base ;)
Beatiful watch don't need lume
Sport watch do😊
If i need a good visibility in a dark, I'd prefer a watch with backlight and digital
This is one of the problems I've had with Seiko lately: The bang for the buck just isn't there. 1400 pounds is about $1750 US right now, and I don't think that movement justifies it.
I agree Brian.
well.... the bezel looks aligned! xD
Hahahaha
I was frankly expecting it to be more expensive, so I’d say it’s pretty nice overall! …. But why not 18mm lugs???
In addition to it having lume and a better movement, I really wish it had a screw down crown.
When talking about Seiko off shoots don't forget Credor. Very much Seikos Lexus
Absolutely William!! Needs to be explored!!!
Wtf did they not put the 6L in this thing as the price would suggest! Seiko are on glue and a strong one at that! you will see big discounts on these in moths to come. The pricing strategy is becoming like cruise ship invicta pricing strategy! Great review though mate love your content.
Hahahahaha although these buggers won’t go down 85% ever!;)
I love vintage Seiko’s. I own a 1969 GS 6146 with 36000 movement. This is beautiful but the movement definitely seems lacking.
Would Seiko sard hands fit this watch I wonder ?
Why oh why, do Seiko always have visible gaps between the lugs and end links? There is always a little bit of movement. Like the factory does not have a micrometer...
Great video as always but Patek Philippe have several 3 hz movements, Nautilus 5712/1A anybody?
Thanks Louis!
It's a 60s vintage STUNNER. Long live the King.
Shame about the marshmallow movement.
The SJE087J1 King Seiko KSK 1965 Re-Creation comes with a 6L35 movement
Yes for twice the price!
Yeah and unfortunately 2 grand more expensive! I’m not sure they are in touch with us Seiko fans y’know aaaaand are possibly over valuing there movements ?
I grew up in London in the early 80’s and remember if the temps hit 80 degrees the parks were full of pale people. What’s going on now it’s 104? Wish the city well
i fcknlove seiko.. have Halloween monster for years
I can’t believe they have made a king seiko with a 6r movement. They used to have so many movements , high beat and interesting ones. Now they stick the 4r in all the cheapest watches and the 6r in anything above that until you get to the top end. Yes there are some cheaper watches with the 6l35 and the gmt 6r64 but I don’t think there are any reasonably priced watches with the 8l movements.
I stopped at 6R31 movement...
Great video though
Lovely looking watch and great vintage vibe strap, but no lume that’s rubbish. They could have painted the underside of the hands , it’s been done before and works as it gives of enough light the read the hands .
Defo agree Martin! Cheers for the support!
If I want a dressy Seiko watch I'd buy one of the presage models for a lot less money instead.
Yes the king Seiko has that modern vintage look, but for me that's the only thing that's going for it.
For that kind of money, at the very least, I would expect the 6R46 that's found in the sharp edge GMT series, that has 28,800bph. I'm aware the 6R46 has the GMT feature but don't see why Seiko cant change it so it doesn't have the GMT but still beats at 28,800bph.
Thinking about it, the sharp edge GMT sounds like a better watch personally, it might not have the same fit or finish as the King, but it pretty much ticks all I would want in a dressy watch tbh.
Bringing back the King Seiko name, they really should've come out with a bang.
Well said my friend!
Nice review! But I agree with your wife. This watch is pretty boring and basic to cost $1,700.
Absolutely fair enough Rob!
King Seiko made another watch with 6L movement. It costs around $3200.. buy that if you prefer 6L.
2 grand more my friend so no
I can handle a 3hz if it’s accurate but sadly from my experience they are 3 hz and terribly inaccurate to boot.
Like you say they just do it to boost the power reserve which quite frankly no one really cares about. Setting the time and giving it a little wind is something I actually like doing tbh. Give me 4hz and something that can come close to a Swiss movement and people would find a far for appealing prospect. Why Seiko can’t get something anywhere near COSC from the factory is really frustrating. I’ve had my 6R35 movement regulated and after a month it has drifted back to being +25s a day 🤦🏼
Gorgeous little watch this 👑 Seiko. Love the signed crown too!
Sadly 37mm is just too teeny weeny for my wrist. Great review as always Russ!! 👍🏻
6R3X family of movements found in sub-$1k Prospex family watches is a bit cheeky to be putting into something like this at this price.
Agree my friend!
Totally agree, with that price point with 6R 3Hz movement, I think it is well below expectations. King Seiko always has hi-beat movement. This is a downgrade KS. IMO. Thanks for sharing.
The dial looked awful lot like SARB033 minus the chapter ring
I’ll take the red dial…. Down the road when available around 50% off. Otherwise they can keep it!
Oooooo yes and yes to!