I think they were slowly headed up, but Sunye leaving the group at the end of 2012 halted all promotions. The planned Nickelodeon TV series to follow the movie was scrapped, as well as the US album.
At least they took the shot and tried. Will always remember the time when YuBin and YeEun shook our hands at the end of the concert. "Nice to meet you guys, thank you for coming!" I will wait for their day to all come back and perform together.
WalkAnalysis well I went to see Twice at Newark and let me tell you it was packed and everything mostly sold out except those thick sweater and those lines were long
@Abg Cute from what I vaguely recall these negative critiques had a lot to do with them performing. Covers of songs. Than again I have to find that same article. Bc I was shocked to hear this too bc I also seen many praising there ability as a unit. But maybe that article was just another overblown word.
I know I'm like super late but one thing I loved seeing during the wonder girls run even with the short stint in the U.S.A market was there growth musically, I really think without them heading to the U.S.A we would have never gotten the band concept that followed after the re-grouping of wonder girls. I truly enjoyed reboot/ Why So Lonely as a band, those albums proved that wonder girls still had that it thing that made them so unmistakably 2nd gen K-pop queens. Even 2 different tears musically at that time was different to what was being released in the K-pop world, Plus as a group with so much line up changes wonder girls stayed really popular, even as solo artist the members are very popular and we'll known in the K-pop community. I mean look at Sunmi, Hyuna, SoHee and Yenny they are very popular in there respected fields, and have gone on to become pioneers in the K-pop community.
So I know (read a) little about Rain (Saw him at the 2018 KTMF) and BoA: but it does seem to me that they are pretty different artists than a K-pop Idol group. So I 'm not sure why JYP thought he could piggy-tail off their success to do what he did with the whole US investment/Wonder Girls thing. Btw I don't really think Rain/BoA's popularity (att) in the US was that strong or wide-spread at all. But it often takes "risk-adverse" leaders/CEO's to become successful. And I think JYP has done pretty well for himself! Nice post
Sure, Rain/BoA were nowhere near mainstream in the US back in 2008. But to K-pop fans and Asians back then, many did know about them. Unfortunately, K-pop fans and Asians alone are too niche and small to make a profit in the US. K-pop needed to get a portion of the US mainstream to become successful, like BTS. As for what JYP could have done better, honestly, I'm not sure either. The West wasn't ready for K-pop until late 2017. I would say the closest US group that had Western appeal before then was Big Bang. SNSD tried to crack the US market and they didn't catch on. PSY and "Gangnam Style" was a passing fad in the West, even though he is a legend in Korea).
Thank You Popsori씨 for this video - It was very detailed of interesting events that covers the time I strayed away from Kpop from 2011 - 2017. I like how this covers the Wonder Girls side of things, bc when all of this was happening, I was still a huge BoA fan at the time checking out her side of the US market break through; which wasn't very successful either IMO. It was just like you said: America was just not ready for Kpop and many Kpop groups got shunned away from the spotlight I felt when trying to get into the Western Market. As much as I wanted BoA to be successful in America, it didn't seem like it was happening, and SM had backed down; and when BoA went into hiatus, so did I...but I was still aware of what was going on with Kpop here and there. When I got back into Kpop in 2017, at first it was with GFriend, but it was mainly with Twice; through Twice, I fell in love with the Kpop Industry again and devoted to study it from a business mind-set (I went to school for International Business). It was when I saw the JYP 2.0 video when I gave much respect to JYP and his endeavors. Some facts I wanted to throw out as well for this video; which many may already know: 1. On April 9th, 2016, JYP collabbed with Conan O'Brien and Steven Yuen to make a song called "Fire" that featured the Wonder Girls, GOT7 and Twice in the MV. (Directed by my most favorite, DigiPedi) 2. Twice consisted of Korean, Japanese and Taiwanese members, but Mina (Japanese) was actually born in Dallas, Texas, but would turn her citizenship to Japan instead.
Glad you came back to K-pop :) I won't lie though; it was tough to stick around in K-pop for some years, with the many scandals and lack of awesome groups/songs. But I think K-pop's making a swing in the right direction again. As for your facts: 1. True that JYP had the Wonder Girls, among others, in the MV. I tried to concentrate between 2007-2012 and left their post-2012 years as "their post Golden Age years." I should have emphasized that more though. 2. True that Mina was born in Dallas (it's a cool fact too!) Yet, even though she was technically American in the beginning, she's Japanese now in citizenship, culture, and language.
I agree with all your points, and it's how things go, not wrong or right. One thing that often gets overlooked because it's a boring answer, is simply timing. The rise of Internet usage/culture - TH-cam and social media sharing.
Definitely, the internet usage and culture with social media, TH-cam, and Twitch has exploded in the past decade. That helped K-pop immensely, but is very overlooked. Sometimes, the "boring" answers are the most true ones.
Great video! I was at the Wonder Girls concert in Dallas back in 2010 - it was my first kpop concert. The crowd at that concert was so big and so wild, people from all different backgrounds singing to their songs, it was amazing. Looking back on that concert, I'm grateful that I got a chance to witness K-pop history happening. A whole generation of fans, myself and my sisters included, discovered K-pop because of them, and I wish more people would put some respect on the Wonder Girls and what they did for k-pop. I think if they could've held out in America for 2 more years, especially once Gangnam Style became a hit, they would've definitely become more of a household name. I also think an oversaturated American pop landscape dominating the market (Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Rihanna, etc were at their peak at this time) made it harder for them. Also, girl groups back then weren't really marketed outside of Asia, so they essentially sacrificed their careers in Korea to become the first western-focused K-pop group, and their relative success was the reason groups like SNSD and 2ne1 started promoting in the U.S. and releasing English songs. I'm not a fan of JYP as a person, but I still think he really was ahead of his time in terms of his overall vision and marketing - America is the hardest music market to break into and the moves he did make helped in some regard. This was before social media became crucial components of marketing and fan engagement, as most social media at the time were in their toddler phases.
It must have been very exciting to go to a Wonder Girls concert in Dallas back in 2010. I think from that concert, you can feel that K-pop would eventually take off, but the question would be "when." I think you're right that if Wonder Girls would have held out for 2 more years during the Gangnam Style craze, they could have become a big hit. I think it really comes down to being there at the right time, at the right place. It is sad, like you said, that they sacrificed their careers to try to break into the US and give K-pop exposure. I think if they stayed in Korea during 2009-2012, the Wonder Girls would have still been the dominant girl group, alongside SNSD and 2NE1. I'm with you with JYP too. It pains me because I worked with his company several times in Korea, so I'm a bit biased towards him. With that being said, I don't like his creepiness in his female MVs; it's really off putting. So I see why some people don't like him, but his overall vision and brand marketing are incredible.
Like u said BTS success is organic and natural ,it didn't happened overnight ...it took time to build a strong fanbase ....all because of they talent and personality not because of company push or money ....BTS made a name for bighit in others hand WG had a company trying to make a name for them
Definitely, organic growth through fans and word-of-mouth are the new ways to market in this generation. People largely tune out ads and overmarketing, as fans' support through social media is the best marketing of all.
Great video! We all know that Wonder Girls dominated the Korean music market between 2007-2008. Unfortunately, the attempt to conquer the American market was a failure and only allowed other girl groups to take the spot of "Kpop Queens". But we also know that Wonder Girls were very important for the kpop genre and the Korean music market. Tell Me revolutionized the kpop scene and influenced several other girl groups to make songs that sounded like "Tell Me" and dictated a new boredom of viral songs. Even Wonder Girls has released three consecutive viral ones: Tell Me, So Hot and Nobody. Perhaps they would have had a much bigger career had it not been for promotions in the US. Thanks for the video and we will keep hoping that the Wonder Girls will someday return to the fan nostalgia.
Love how informative the video was! I think another thing that contributed into Wonder Girls failing in the US is there wasn't a need for kpop in 2009. During that year the amount of hits that were being made by American singers was endless. We had Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Black Eyed Peas, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana, Carrie Underwood and more. Unfortunately, there was just too much good music still being made that Wonder Girls got ignored. For me, one of the main reasons why BTS is a hit is because they brought something new and unique into the music scene. Today, music has become stale and at times boring and I think that's why there are some people gravitating towards kpop now. But back then, Wonder Girls and kpop were just not needed then.
Unfortunately US wasn’t ready for them because of racism and xenophobia happening in the country but I feel like their failure was necessary for the future success of other groups to crack in the US
For sure, it does suck though that the Wonder Girls (and other groups) used their prime years to pave the way for other groups today. If Wonder Girls started from 2016, they would have had a lot more advantages in going to the US today.
The only good things I think came from them being sent to the US is the girls got pretty good at English which would help them professionally. Also, the fans who never thought they would get to see the group live got a chance to.
When JYP gave his interview to Forbes for the launch of his book 'Live for What?'. This is what he told. Describes as “the first failure” in his life, Park’s plans to have Wonder Girls break America-as well as two other acts he said were in the midst of signing their own U.S. record deals-fell through when the financial crisis hit the U.S., and the rest of the world, hard brought on by 2008 bankruptcy of financial investors Lehman Brothers. “For years I invested my time and the money I had earned,” he says. “Everything collapsed and I didn’t know how to accept it because it was not my fault. If the songs were released and they failed, I would have accepted that. Like, ‘Look, I tried my best, my bad, what did I do wrong?’ But the Lehman Brothers’ bankruptcy? C’mon, that’s not my fault. I didn’t know how to digest it.”
Can I just add that during the early 2010s was the last great era of female popstars. Everyone was pushing sexuality with talent that Wonder Girls looked outdated the moment they tried to promote in the US.
I hear many people saying that, that the early 2010s were the last iconic groups and soloists that were memorable. But I would say today's generation has some great stars, and not just TWICE, BLACKPINK, or GFriend. Solo singers such as Rothy and Minseo are doing great in Korea, and you have indie-turned-mainstream groups like Bolbbalgan 4 as well.
in all this sry its not about wonder girls, I remember that push, I did not like it back then, anyways, the west seems kinda ready for kpop, besides the language barrier (that mumble rap and the rise of hispanic music is kinda breaking that), there are two major issues in my experience, the first is that SK is still a country were the corporations and mixed interests are strong, it irks people who research the industry, the second and by far the biggest is at the same time their greatest strength, its the fandom mentality, when i convince friends and coworkers to look into this, they like the production value, the vibe, but as soon as they hit the fandoms, they cringe, the hype is too strong, the power and momentum of kpop in the west is because of the fandoms, but like back when the girl/boygroup craze happened in the west, it was the overhyped fandoms that killed it, its just too cringy.... its not meant as hate, but the way that kpop groups hype up their fandoms and the way the media pushes fanwars and bias obsession is gonna be the downfall, unless they fix it, i dont know how... If you look at Kpop through the eyes of social media you can clearly see the monster, but when you look at it in real life its suddenly different, with fandoms loving each other and hyping each others faves.... most people of the western general population will look at social media and they will cringe and move away (most not all), I have seen this and heard this, most origin stories of a western kpop fan revolves around a hype guy/girl pushing it, the same goes for the dislike, a person will name a kpop group they like, and overhyped fans will attack and berate them about how awesome the group they mentioned is or another group, most adults (with buying power) get turned away by the over hype.... hype is good obsessive behavior is not ..... remember almost all kids turn into adults so it could very well be a fad, sadly
As adult I don't care about Fandom behavior at all , what makes u think an adult actually care what another rendom person do online ?? We like the same artist that's all... like I don't claim you just because we have same interest ???
@@JK-zy8vj its a cringe factor I remember it from back when it was backstreet boys and spice girls, people were tuning out, because it was just too much, I do hear the same now, I walk in the realm of non kpop fans and its a thing, the overhype is a turn off :) listened to a program about kpop on the radio recently, and it was the same, nice fans were hyping and talking good, then came one comment about this being weird music, and they went on the aggressive defensive talking about antis and haters, and how people couldnt understand the depth and lyrical spiritual genius.... they went off, and the momentum they build in the hype got sidetracked by people cringing, its just music it aint that deep, it might be good, and people will like the goodness, but they dont like the association with the "stan" (as eminem defined it), and therein lies my point :) look i love my kpop i love the quality the talent and all that, but i dont see it as an end all be all, it music, it is good but it is still just music, it comes from a culture, that origin is in my opinion (just mine) the most interesting part of it all
Did you know that based on survey, BTS fans have more fans above 20s compared to teens? Many veteran kpop fans also turn to like them as well, including me. Which is why BTS has massive buying power due to most of their fans already adults. We are not easily get influenced too, if you really take a look on how ARMY doing, we are very organized, have many intellectual fans, doing tons of charities, etc. Maybe its the fandom is too big, so small portion who do bad may look big enough to outsiders. I cant speak for other groups tho as i am not a fan for other group and BTS is the first group i ever stan(since 2017) in my life despite its almost a decade i listen to kpop.
@@snisa92 I don't think I talked about a group, more in general 🙂 I myself am an old fan, but I see that once you move away from the bubble of the fandoms few people know kpop, and most shy away from it, in the west at least
@@aske65 if you think that way its okay then. So far, from what i see, its only BTS getting mainstream. Their music still not getting mainstream sadly due to radio stations still reluctantly play their music, but their name are already mainstream. If not, random politic show, western tv shows, global convention, etc wont talk about them randomly without even explaining who they are. So far, kpop companies are trying to take advantage for BTS popularity to promote their groups in US. I watch some US street interviews regarding BTS, and the locals quickly point out them and asking, "Oh the famous one?" i'm sure the locals notice already many kpop groups try to promote in US, but only BTS get to be famous and scouting locals to be fans. While its true some locals get stay away from kpop due to fandom, but the open minded one would try to check it out if they want. And i watch BTS US stadium tour, i feel so amazed that how diverse actually the crowds they have. Its still mainly female attendees of course but the diverse of ages, is really heartwarming to see. They are worldwide phenomenon.
the mistake is Jonas Brother is not too to popular again in 2009, if it was world tour concert of Justin Bieber it could be different. and he send them too fast. it's better to send them in the beginning of the end of their prime in south korea.
Agreed that JYP should have sent the Wonder Girls after their prime was over. As for the Jonas Brothers, they were quite popular. Not Justin Bieber-popular, but the Jonas Brothers had a lot of fans. I just think the US wasn't ready for K-pop in 2009.
@@Popsori i never expected to being replied by popsori in 2017 video. i hope God bless you with your kindness. thanks agree, as general people who live in Indonesia and still 10 in 2009 i just knowing Bieber, Usher, Chris Brown (these 2 lesser known for general kids, but famous for who watch mtv), mariah carey (his quality voice), taylor swift (the country girl) as hyped that heared tp indonesia back than (not quite as jb well), these are quite known around that time. we generally in indonesia never feel the hyped of Jonas Brothers boygroup (like it was westlife in early 2000s), i never heard any Jonas brother song although i watch music a lot. I think they are known in US and focused there and in western countries and english speaking country, but lack overseas promotion in asia (Different than 90s-mid2000s western boyband, that;s why in 2009 we still more known F4 that already inactive), we just (generally) just know artist in Justin Bieber level (like beyond 2009 it's Adele, bruno mars, taylor swift, ariana grande, ed sheeran, shawn mendes, charlie puth) as people that was living in US you know better and i'm just to young to understand their popularity, and you can tell me what is their most popular song.
I think they were slowly headed up, but Sunye leaving the group at the end of 2012 halted all promotions. The planned Nickelodeon TV series to follow the movie was scrapped, as well as the US album.
At least they took the shot and tried.
Will always remember the time when YuBin and YeEun shook our hands at the end of the concert. "Nice to meet you guys, thank you for coming!" I will wait for their day to all come back and perform together.
Now you can tell why Twice US tour took forever because he was concerned by wonder girls failure.
Even still rn Twice in the U.S tour was still isn't clicking for the U.S. At least that what the critics here in the states claim.
WalkAnalysis well I went to see Twice at Newark and let me tell you it was packed and everything mostly sold out except those thick sweater and those lines were long
@Abg Cute oh I heard that too. I was talking about how a lot of American critics were talking about TWICE's show despite it's success
@Abg Cute from what I vaguely recall these negative critiques had a lot to do with them performing. Covers of songs. Than again I have to find that same article. Bc I was shocked to hear this too bc I also seen many praising there ability as a unit. But maybe that article was just another overblown word.
@@wdcomments 1 guy complained with 1k followers on twitter. A nobody. There were many more positive articles about the concerts.
I know I'm like super late but one thing I loved seeing during the wonder girls run even with the short stint in the U.S.A market was there growth musically, I really think without them heading to the U.S.A we would have never gotten the band concept that followed after the re-grouping of wonder girls. I truly enjoyed reboot/ Why So Lonely as a band, those albums proved that wonder girls still had that it thing that made them so unmistakably 2nd gen K-pop queens. Even 2 different tears musically at that time was different to what was being released in the K-pop world, Plus as a group with so much line up changes wonder girls stayed really popular, even as solo artist the members are very popular and we'll known in the K-pop community. I mean look at Sunmi, Hyuna, SoHee and Yenny they are very popular in there respected fields, and have gone on to become pioneers in the K-pop community.
So I know (read a) little about Rain (Saw him at the 2018 KTMF) and BoA: but it does seem to me that they are pretty different artists than a K-pop Idol group. So I 'm not sure why JYP thought he could piggy-tail off their success to do what he did with the whole US investment/Wonder Girls thing. Btw I don't really think Rain/BoA's popularity (att) in the US was that strong or wide-spread at all. But it often takes "risk-adverse" leaders/CEO's to become successful. And I think JYP has done pretty well for himself! Nice post
Sure, Rain/BoA were nowhere near mainstream in the US back in 2008. But to K-pop fans and Asians back then, many did know about them. Unfortunately, K-pop fans and Asians alone are too niche and small to make a profit in the US.
K-pop needed to get a portion of the US mainstream to become successful, like BTS.
As for what JYP could have done better, honestly, I'm not sure either. The West wasn't ready for K-pop until late 2017. I would say the closest US group that had Western appeal before then was Big Bang. SNSD tried to crack the US market and they didn't catch on. PSY and "Gangnam Style" was a passing fad in the West, even though he is a legend in Korea).
Thank You Popsori씨 for this video - It was very detailed of interesting events that covers the time I strayed away from Kpop from 2011 - 2017.
I like how this covers the Wonder Girls side of things, bc when all of this was happening, I was still a huge BoA fan at the time checking out her side of the US market break through; which wasn't very successful either IMO. It was just like you said: America was just not ready for Kpop and many Kpop groups got shunned away from the spotlight I felt when trying to get into the Western Market. As much as I wanted BoA to be successful in America, it didn't seem like it was happening, and SM had backed down; and when BoA went into hiatus, so did I...but I was still aware of what was going on with Kpop here and there.
When I got back into Kpop in 2017, at first it was with GFriend, but it was mainly with Twice; through Twice, I fell in love with the Kpop Industry again and devoted to study it from a business mind-set (I went to school for International Business). It was when I saw the JYP 2.0 video when I gave much respect to JYP and his endeavors.
Some facts I wanted to throw out as well for this video; which many may already know:
1. On April 9th, 2016, JYP collabbed with Conan O'Brien and Steven Yuen to make a song called "Fire" that featured the Wonder Girls, GOT7 and Twice in the MV. (Directed by my most favorite, DigiPedi)
2. Twice consisted of Korean, Japanese and Taiwanese members, but Mina (Japanese) was actually born in Dallas, Texas, but would turn her citizenship to Japan instead.
Glad you came back to K-pop :) I won't lie though; it was tough to stick around in K-pop for some years, with the many scandals and lack of awesome groups/songs. But I think K-pop's making a swing in the right direction again.
As for your facts:
1. True that JYP had the Wonder Girls, among others, in the MV. I tried to concentrate between 2007-2012 and left their post-2012 years as "their post Golden Age years." I should have emphasized that more though.
2. True that Mina was born in Dallas (it's a cool fact too!) Yet, even though she was technically American in the beginning, she's Japanese now in citizenship, culture, and language.
I agree with all your points, and it's how things go, not wrong or right. One thing that often gets overlooked because it's a boring answer, is simply timing. The rise of Internet usage/culture - TH-cam and social media sharing.
Definitely, the internet usage and culture with social media, TH-cam, and Twitch has exploded in the past decade. That helped K-pop immensely, but is very overlooked. Sometimes, the "boring" answers are the most true ones.
Great video! I was at the Wonder Girls concert in Dallas back in 2010 - it was my first kpop concert. The crowd at that concert was so big and so wild, people from all different backgrounds singing to their songs, it was amazing. Looking back on that concert, I'm grateful that I got a chance to witness K-pop history happening. A whole generation of fans, myself and my sisters included, discovered K-pop because of them, and I wish more people would put some respect on the Wonder Girls and what they did for k-pop. I think if they could've held out in America for 2 more years, especially once Gangnam Style became a hit, they would've definitely become more of a household name. I also think an oversaturated American pop landscape dominating the market (Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Rihanna, etc were at their peak at this time) made it harder for them. Also, girl groups back then weren't really marketed outside of Asia, so they essentially sacrificed their careers in Korea to become the first western-focused K-pop group, and their relative success was the reason groups like SNSD and 2ne1 started promoting in the U.S. and releasing English songs.
I'm not a fan of JYP as a person, but I still think he really was ahead of his time in terms of his overall vision and marketing - America is the hardest music market to break into and the moves he did make helped in some regard. This was before social media became crucial components of marketing and fan engagement, as most social media at the time were in their toddler phases.
It must have been very exciting to go to a Wonder Girls concert in Dallas back in 2010. I think from that concert, you can feel that K-pop would eventually take off, but the question would be "when." I think you're right that if Wonder Girls would have held out for 2 more years during the Gangnam Style craze, they could have become a big hit. I think it really comes down to being there at the right time, at the right place.
It is sad, like you said, that they sacrificed their careers to try to break into the US and give K-pop exposure. I think if they stayed in Korea during 2009-2012, the Wonder Girls would have still been the dominant girl group, alongside SNSD and 2NE1.
I'm with you with JYP too. It pains me because I worked with his company several times in Korea, so I'm a bit biased towards him. With that being said, I don't like his creepiness in his female MVs; it's really off putting. So I see why some people don't like him, but his overall vision and brand marketing are incredible.
Like u said BTS success is organic and natural ,it didn't happened overnight ...it took time to build a strong fanbase ....all because of they talent and personality not because of company push or money ....BTS made a name for bighit in others hand WG had a company trying to make a name for them
Definitely, organic growth through fans and word-of-mouth are the new ways to market in this generation. People largely tune out ads and overmarketing, as fans' support through social media is the best marketing of all.
Great video! We all know that Wonder Girls dominated the Korean music market between 2007-2008. Unfortunately, the attempt to conquer the American market was a failure and only allowed other girl groups to take the spot of "Kpop Queens". But we also know that Wonder Girls were very important for the kpop genre and the Korean music market. Tell Me revolutionized the kpop scene and influenced several other girl groups to make songs that sounded like "Tell Me" and dictated a new boredom of viral songs. Even Wonder Girls has released three consecutive viral ones: Tell Me, So Hot and Nobody. Perhaps they would have had a much bigger career had it not been for promotions in the US. Thanks for the video and we will keep hoping that the Wonder Girls will someday return to the fan nostalgia.
Love how informative the video was! I think another thing that contributed into Wonder Girls failing in the US is there wasn't a need for kpop in 2009. During that year the amount of hits that were being made by American singers was endless. We had Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Black Eyed Peas, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana, Carrie Underwood and more. Unfortunately, there was just too much good music still being made that Wonder Girls got ignored.
For me, one of the main reasons why BTS is a hit is because they brought something new and unique into the music scene. Today, music has become stale and at times boring and I think that's why there are some people gravitating towards kpop now. But back then, Wonder Girls and kpop were just not needed then.
Unfortunately US wasn’t ready for them because of racism and xenophobia happening in the country but I feel like their failure was necessary for the future success of other groups to crack in the US
For sure, it does suck though that the Wonder Girls (and other groups) used their prime years to pave the way for other groups today. If Wonder Girls started from 2016, they would have had a lot more advantages in going to the US today.
The only good things I think came from them being sent to the US is the girls got pretty good at English which would help them professionally. Also, the fans who never thought they would get to see the group live got a chance to.
WG was the 1st 2nd gen gg queens. No1 can touch them with the Trinity of tell me, so hot and nobody. JYP got greedy and swnd them to the US
When JYP gave his interview to Forbes for the launch of his book 'Live for What?'. This is what he told.
Describes as “the first failure” in his life, Park’s plans to have Wonder Girls break America-as well as two other acts he said were in the midst of signing their own U.S. record deals-fell through when the financial crisis hit the U.S., and the rest of the world, hard brought on by 2008 bankruptcy of financial investors Lehman Brothers.
“For years I invested my time and the money I had earned,” he says. “Everything collapsed and I didn’t know how to accept it because it was not my fault. If the songs were released and they failed, I would have accepted that. Like, ‘Look, I tried my best, my bad, what did I do wrong?’ But the Lehman Brothers’ bankruptcy? C’mon, that’s not my fault. I didn’t know how to digest it.”
Can I just add that during the early 2010s was the last great era of female popstars. Everyone was pushing sexuality with talent that Wonder Girls looked outdated the moment they tried to promote in the US.
I hear many people saying that, that the early 2010s were the last iconic groups and soloists that were memorable.
But I would say today's generation has some great stars, and not just TWICE, BLACKPINK, or GFriend. Solo singers such as Rothy and Minseo are doing great in Korea, and you have indie-turned-mainstream groups like Bolbbalgan 4 as well.
in all this sry its not about wonder girls, I remember that push, I did not like it back then, anyways, the west seems kinda ready for kpop, besides the language barrier (that mumble rap and the rise of hispanic music is kinda breaking that), there are two major issues in my experience, the first is that SK is still a country were the corporations and mixed interests are strong, it irks people who research the industry, the second and by far the biggest is at the same time their greatest strength, its the fandom mentality, when i convince friends and coworkers to look into this, they like the production value, the vibe, but as soon as they hit the fandoms, they cringe, the hype is too strong, the power and momentum of kpop in the west is because of the fandoms, but like back when the girl/boygroup craze happened in the west, it was the overhyped fandoms that killed it, its just too cringy.... its not meant as hate, but the way that kpop groups hype up their fandoms and the way the media pushes fanwars and bias obsession is gonna be the downfall, unless they fix it, i dont know how... If you look at Kpop through the eyes of social media you can clearly see the monster, but when you look at it in real life its suddenly different, with fandoms loving each other and hyping each others faves.... most people of the western general population will look at social media and they will cringe and move away (most not all), I have seen this and heard this, most origin stories of a western kpop fan revolves around a hype guy/girl pushing it, the same goes for the dislike, a person will name a kpop group they like, and overhyped fans will attack and berate them about how awesome the group they mentioned is or another group, most adults (with buying power) get turned away by the over hype.... hype is good obsessive behavior is not ..... remember almost all kids turn into adults so it could very well be a fad, sadly
As adult I don't care about Fandom behavior at all , what makes u think an adult actually care what another rendom person do online ?? We like the same artist that's all... like I don't claim you just because we have same interest ???
@@JK-zy8vj its a cringe factor I remember it from back when it was backstreet boys and spice girls, people were tuning out, because it was just too much, I do hear the same now, I walk in the realm of non kpop fans and its a thing, the overhype is a turn off :) listened to a program about kpop on the radio recently, and it was the same, nice fans were hyping and talking good, then came one comment about this being weird music, and they went on the aggressive defensive talking about antis and haters, and how people couldnt understand the depth and lyrical spiritual genius.... they went off, and the momentum they build in the hype got sidetracked by people cringing, its just music it aint that deep, it might be good, and people will like the goodness, but they dont like the association with the "stan" (as eminem defined it), and therein lies my point :)
look i love my kpop i love the quality the talent and all that, but i dont see it as an end all be all, it music, it is good but it is still just music, it comes from a culture, that origin is in my opinion (just mine) the most interesting part of it all
Did you know that based on survey, BTS fans have more fans above 20s compared to teens? Many veteran kpop fans also turn to like them as well, including me. Which is why BTS has massive buying power due to most of their fans already adults. We are not easily get influenced too, if you really take a look on how ARMY doing, we are very organized, have many intellectual fans, doing tons of charities, etc. Maybe its the fandom is too big, so small portion who do bad may look big enough to outsiders. I cant speak for other groups tho as i am not a fan for other group and BTS is the first group i ever stan(since 2017) in my life despite its almost a decade i listen to kpop.
@@snisa92 I don't think I talked about a group, more in general 🙂 I myself am an old fan, but I see that once you move away from the bubble of the fandoms few people know kpop, and most shy away from it, in the west at least
@@aske65 if you think that way its okay then. So far, from what i see, its only BTS getting mainstream. Their music still not getting mainstream sadly due to radio stations still reluctantly play their music, but their name are already mainstream. If not, random politic show, western tv shows, global convention, etc wont talk about them randomly without even explaining who they are. So far, kpop companies are trying to take advantage for BTS popularity to promote their groups in US. I watch some US street interviews regarding BTS, and the locals quickly point out them and asking, "Oh the famous one?" i'm sure the locals notice already many kpop groups try to promote in US, but only BTS get to be famous and scouting locals to be fans. While its true some locals get stay away from kpop due to fandom, but the open minded one would try to check it out if they want. And i watch BTS US stadium tour, i feel so amazed that how diverse actually the crowds they have. Its still mainly female attendees of course but the diverse of ages, is really heartwarming to see. They are worldwide phenomenon.
the mistake is Jonas Brother is not too to popular again in 2009,
if it was world tour concert of Justin Bieber it could be different.
and he send them too fast. it's better to send them in the beginning of the end of their prime in south korea.
Agreed that JYP should have sent the Wonder Girls after their prime was over.
As for the Jonas Brothers, they were quite popular. Not Justin Bieber-popular, but the Jonas Brothers had a lot of fans. I just think the US wasn't ready for K-pop in 2009.
@@Popsori i never expected to being replied by popsori in 2017 video. i hope God bless you with your kindness. thanks agree, as general people who live in Indonesia and still 10 in 2009 i just knowing Bieber, Usher, Chris Brown (these 2 lesser known for general kids, but famous for who watch mtv), mariah carey (his quality voice), taylor swift (the country girl) as hyped that heared tp indonesia back than (not quite as jb well), these are quite known around that time. we generally in indonesia never feel the hyped of Jonas Brothers boygroup (like it was westlife in early 2000s), i never heard any Jonas brother song although i watch music a lot. I think they are known in US and focused there and in western countries and english speaking country, but lack overseas promotion in asia (Different than 90s-mid2000s western boyband, that;s why in 2009 we still more known F4 that already inactive), we just (generally) just know artist in Justin Bieber level (like beyond 2009 it's Adele, bruno mars, taylor swift, ariana grande, ed sheeran, shawn mendes, charlie puth) as people that was living in US you know better and i'm just to young to understand their popularity, and you can tell me what is their most popular song.