Yes, but no more than SA or NZ… the problem with French rugby is that the players have a lot of games, top14 + champions cup = more than 30 games in a year, not counting international matches. Therefore, a lot of injuries…
Meant to be played😂😂. How is rugby meant to be played. Rugby is a game of all sizes and how you use your size and speed js what makes rugby rugby. Just because france can't scrum etc doesn't mean their rugby is better 😂😂😂
When we visit France we notice a national focus unlike anywhere else. Supermarket products routinely labelled with the flag and the region. Clothes shops with the flag on products. Cars with the flag on the dashboard. Much national manufacturing available in shops. Local products sold widely. Go to a French rugby match and it is sold out. Noisy like a festival. Kids and women everywhere. A quality stadium even in ProD2. Affordable tickets and an expectation that national or local.Ftench players will play. It is just in the culture. As a British it leaves me sad at what we let go.
This is for sure a surprising point of view from outside our borders, because in France we mostly feel a loss of our culture and identity for american culture essentially. But I have to say, self-flagellation is our National Sport (far before striking yes). Because any form of pride is easily perceived as arrogance.
Perhaps SA is Ur problem not world rugby or refs as we have the same problems. Funny how so many foreign players are gracing Ur clubs hey. What's wrong?? Haven't U got enough local talent???
the scariest part of french rugby is : the sport is NOT developped in the north of france, almost ~30/40% of the french metropolitan population have no pro club in their REGION Vannes is the first team from Brittany to play in Top 14 (and not even the biggest city in Brittany) not any Top 14 team is from the north side of France outside of Paris you only have Nevers in Pro D2, and Rouen in 3rd division the game is developping fast in these regions, because Top 14 is more and more popular everywhere + world cup 2023 here in france where stadiums in Lille and Lens were full
@@neme6is.mp4 it's going to be interesting to see how the national side develops as the game grows throughout the country especially the North. France could be dominating the game by 2027
Simply put, 80% of the top 14 teams are from the South of France. Rugby is only the 10th or so most popular sport in France, and was still amateurish till the early 2000's.
The LNR Ligue Nationale de Rugby managing the professionnal Rugby (Top 14 and Pro D2) was created in 1998. The JIFF (standing for Joueur issu des filières de formation aka Player coming from training courses) system in 2010.
Interesting comment, is Antoine Dupont hated normally? New to Rugby here in the US, and I have only heard great things being said about him, and when interviewed he seems to be humble... He actually visited the facilities of the Los Angeles Chargers Football team here during the summer to check out the facilities and to spread the word about Rugby....
For those who remember we lost in 2011 8 to 7 in the final against the All Blacks in New Zealand and the referee stole from us by not whistling any penalties for France when he should have whistled at least 4.. . because it was in New Zealand and the referee wanted to leave the country alive after the match!!!
During the last World Cup, something happened that went almost unnoticed: New Zealand and South Africa were obliged to sign up to the World Anti-Doping League's agreements, on the threat of having to play under a neutral banner. We'll see in the years to come whether these 2 nations continue to outrageously dominate world rugby, or whether the balance of power shifts... I have my own ideas on the matter. 🤔
I know my team very well. I've been watching them play since 1978. I saw them in 3 WC finals that I didn't think they could win and they didn't. I saw them in 2 WCs that I thought they could win and they didn't (2003, 2007). I thought they were losing a bit of steam before and in the 2023 WC and they lost in 1/4. All this being said, I think this is the first time in France rugby history that they have a real system meant to produce players and a team focused on winning games and competitions, including the WC. That doesn't mean they will win the WC. That just means they will be one of the teams that has what it takes to win it. I think France can keep this up for a long time so possibly they will regularly show up in WCs as one of the team that can win it and who knows, maybe one day ....
@@jeanmas4197 they definitely have a great team right now. Able to go all the way if all their players are fit and healthy and playing to their best on the day
@@Dkouts 2003, they really had a WC winning team. Kudos to England for handling them perfectly. They too had a WC winning team and they won it. I do believe if France could have passed England, they would have won it.
Losing to SA in 2023 was heartbreaking, but the SAs bench made the difference, + a couple of errors, like Ramos taking way too long to kick so Kolbé managed to block him. And the gap he left in the 1st half that resulted in a SAs try. France even though they are fantastic lack this little thing that makes a difference. We shall see in the next wc if they managed to get to the next level. But as a French fan of that team I am delighted by the games they offer. Allez les bleus damn it!
Of course, France can win in 2027. They've got a good manager, talented leaders and one hungry new generation knocking on the national team door. But France need to avoid last-minute injuries, keep Dupont safe, fight against experienced NZ and SA teams and also escape some referees "traps". 2027 will lookalike pretty much to 2023 with not one clear favorite, but a pack of 4-5 solid teams.
@@zisssssou SA, NZ, Ireland and France. England and Australia out with something to prove and the underdogs Wales, Scotland and Fiji all trying to cause an upset
I've been watching international Rugby since the 70s, and France, to my knowledge, has always been considered a tier 1 Rugby nation. They were the last team to beat the Allblacks at Eden Park, not to mention against debutant Jonah Lomu. In my opinion, France has always had great players.
True they have always been contenders. Just a bit inconsistent at times but hopefully with the recent changes they can find better depth and consistency
I love watching French rugby and certainly we are seeing more youmg talent coming through their academies. The T14 is a tough and long tournament and teams like Toulouse and La Rochelle are going well in the European Champions Cup. With real depth coming into the national set up i am really intrested to see how France go in this years 6 Nations especially as i think it will be the most competitive tournament in years
Keep in mind that this year isn’t a good one for the French team, as they’re will be 3 games outside and 2 at home for France, with a game in Ireland and one in England. Even if I support France, I think Ireland are the favourites.
@DylanSyllabeu leinster are probably the closest when comparing those academies. But the whole of France are doing something special not just one club
Good analysis. I hope the system which has been built will be as efficient as what has been build for French handball (3 Gold Medal, 6 time World Champion, 4 times European Champion, all this in the last 30 years) . The critical part will be "who to succeed to Galthié?" Here can be the trick.
The truth is that France will never win the Web Ellis Cup as long as it is refereed by a referee from the Comonwels. Even a final against Georgia, if the referee comes from the Comonwels, France will lose, even with fifteen Antoine Duponts.
If the French have that attitude you very right, France have no chance. If you want to see what needs to happen to WC try watching “Chasing the Sun”. You may get an understanding of what it is to overcome challenges to become champions, both in sport and life.
"Commonwealth", plus exactement. Et quand on connaît le sens exact de ce mot (et donc son étymologie), son orthographe est cruciale et doit être respectée.
En frança🇫🇷is : merci et bravo pour ton analyse très juste. Le changement vient peut être du fait que le rugby était culturellement un sport du sud ouest de la France et s'est très largement étendu à d'autres régions (dont la Bretagne - incroyable !). Par contre, il y a une seule erreur : au début, tu as illustré le mot "champagne" avec un verre de vin 😆 olalala English: thank you and bravo for your very accurate analysis. Perhaps the change comes from the fact that rugby used to be culturally a sport in the south-west of France and has now spread very widely to other regions (including Brittany - unbelievable!). However, there's just one mistake: at the beginning, you illustrated the word "champagne" with a glass of wine 😆 olalala
The JIFF regulation is truly a great thing. As a frenchie myself I really like it. Slight correction on your comment : teams in the top 14 and pro D2 must _maintain an average of 16 JIFF players per game across the season_ , as opposed to on any game day as you said. My favourite team, ASM Clermont Auvergne, had a couple struggles with that regulation and would regularly have to bring in more JIFFs even though they're not the best players to keep up the average.
Très bon reportage. A part que ce n'est pas colbi qui est responsable de la défaite en 1/4. La tmo aurait du revoir l'action et comme il est parti avant la course la penalite aurait dû être refaite 1 pas sûre que Ramos reussisse. 2 le match était loin d'être fini et gagné. Ce qu'il y a de plus évident dans la mauvaise foi se sont toutes ces mains des box au sol dans les ruck ... QUE des bêtes à 3 pattes impossible pour eux de rester sur leur appuis
For several years there has also been a lot of work by the federation to bring rugby to “popular neighborhoods with immigrant backgrounds” (Cameron Woki is an incarnation of this). This is an important change for the culture of rugby in France which has a “peasant” image. The pool of young players is much larger and therefore allows us to have a larger and better elite at the top of the pyramid. If the implementation is done completely and for a long time, I think we are at the start of something colossal.
France did shocking against Ireland in the six nations, later that year we played a shocking game against New Zealand, later France had an amazing game against them. No doubt about it France is beyond masterclass, my personal trio is Thomas Ramos, Antoine DuPont and Romain Ntamack.
World cup hangover ... They were awful against Ireland but also against Scotland and Italy. They were extremely lucky to win against Scotland and extremely lucky to not lose against Italy. But once the coach brought in new fresh talented players (get the regular players some well deserved rest) against Wales, they started clicking again.
@@jeanmas4197 They had around 7 key players who were injured or missing. The rookie players surprisingly revealed themselves but you can't build a balanced team overnight.
@@WatchRugby24 true but at this date, Ireland is French Nemesis. And the match will play in dublin. So we will see if they are able to beat Ireland team, which seems to be slightly less strong than previous years.
As a French, rugby lover from the father to the son, I follow the rugby since early 70’s, but I really need to say I’m not trusting anymore the IRB, i guess now it’s called World Rugby, all is setup for an Anglo Saxon dominance, starting with the referees, for me, in the last World Cup, south Africa was meant to win, and France was not the only victim by the way, New Zealand was also. Then, to my concern, in the current state of the international rugby institutions, France will never have a chance to win, no matter what team we got. And most of the French rugby supporters are thinking the same. I am supporting a secession from the present international institutions, and the creation of another international system.
En vérité la France a le meilleur championnat du monde le top14 (voire même les deux meilleurs du monde avec la proD2), donc l'équipe nationale passera toujours après le top14, contrairement au reste des grands nations du rugby qui ont des championnats qui déclinent. Si la France accordait autant d'importance à son équipe nationale que les autres grandes nations, je pense qu'elle leur roulerait dessus.
@WatchRugby24 Hello. I think that it won't be the case. Why ? Because players are paid by clubs, and clubs already made efforts for the 23 world cup. Galthier could engage up to 42 players during that period at each international period, he had a lot of support and he only won the 6 nations once and felt to win the world cup. For instance, next summer series for France are 3 matchs in New zeland but top players, who play the top14 finals, won't attend.
@@toutopoil yes we have already seen a lot of negativity about the French stars not attending the games in NZ. It's sad to see because they could be such an impeccable side if they were given the opportunity
And the scariest part is that these lads are just the first generation of JIFF, plenty more to come. The job that has been done by French Rugby has been incredible from the ground level. Just watch this last game between La Rochelle and Toulouse where Toulouse used 15 new players (average age of the team 21yo) and they lost to a last minute penalty) The future is bright, Dupont's generation is just the "Entrée" to hopefully a very long dinner!
They were brilliant on the day but they were beaten by a better team not by the ref. Great teams don't point fingers at everyone else, they focus on what they can do better. France didn't take all the chances available to them and made costly errors like the Jalibert kick. They are an excellent side but constantly blaming refs and rugby boards won't make them any better.
@@greeruguru If they were using video to doublecheck every action during the match, I would truly and happily agree with you. Sadly, none of the actions were doublechecked and we could not even see it twice on screen because there was no replay. Sorry my friend but when we cannot see anything on TV, it means something. I'm used to watch Rugby since a very long time, I know what we are supposed to see in replay when something happens. So the fault is not only on O'Keefe of course, the fault is mainly on World Rugby. We should be able to see everything as spectactors behind our TV. If we can see everything during non world cup matches but we cannot see anything during the world cup games... Well, it simply stinks to me. I was highly disappointed by World Rugby during the last world cup... And I believe there is probably some corruption somewhere in this organization...
@Tardyg interesting points. Glad everyone can have their opinions and express them respectfully As a South African I have witnessed many times where South Africa was hard done by referees as well, the Bryce Lawrence game against Australia is one and the Owen Farrell tackle on Esterhuizen is another that springs to mind. So I don't think it's a case of world rugby purposefully having something against France because all teams get the short end of the stick every now and then. France have also benefitted from ref decisions in the past such as the 07 world cup.
Tough to say it's a referee that cost them the game but at the same time referees definitely play a big role if they are making bad calls and not listening to TMO's as they should. We've seen this happen a few times in the URC season already
I seen 3 finals with France but the hight deception has been the quarter final in 2023 ... for the first time in my life i cryed in watching sports . 1987 we can't beat the All Blacks , 1999 i think they just missed the mission . 2011 is special , i think referees steel the victory to france but our pacrour in competition was absoluty dirt and finally we doesn't deserved the trophy . 2023 was our year , our moment , our wold cup .. a very sad moment .
France needs to fix the Top14 to become unbeatable. Too many games, a long season, making it hard to manage players fitness. Once the top stars get the same rest afforded to the Irish stars, France will be able to up the intensity and deploy its full power. In the meantime, they'll always have that disadvantage . The staff is trying to manage that, hence why we send second and third teams on the June tour. It's good for depth. But we really need to take that Top14 step next.
@@guillaumemille3260 agreed the long seasons together with the Champions cup it too much. Cut back on a club level to step up on an international level
Excellent synthèse, Merci !! 👍🤞 It is not a matter of if we wind or not… It is always a matter of how we played the match. More brillant we play, more victory is possible because what we love first is the "Panache" that we put in the game and that you call the French Flair. But for sure, wind the world cup is one of our goal !! 😀😉👍💪🤞🇫🇷
We think it's just been a case of focusing on the bad calls in the games that carried a lot of weight. Sure there has been a lot of bad calls but it has been the same for all teams. Then there have also been some bad calls that worked in favour of the French but nobody seems to remember those. Anyway that's just our opinion
So let's to the point here why France has a very good chance of winning the next world cup, but they have a VERY VERY VERY big deficiency which they have to contend with - they have time to do it but I will explain this later. So many people ask me why I have a french name but am from South Africa. Everywhere i go around the world I introduce myself as Francois but they think I'm French. So here is my French lineage and why they are my second favourite side besides the Bokke. I am not digressing here but let me explain why I love the frog side after the Bokke. my background with a French name as a South African, Francois (the rest of the world does not understand this), (besides the frogs) and they (the rest of the world) always ask me about it. And all you frogs will love this. I am digressing now which all my friends rip me off about but it's interesting. I am a fourteenth generation SA boy with French Descent, from the French Huguenots which had to come out as French Huguenots when the Catholic Protestant 30 war raged in the middle of the 1600's and we (protestants) (probably the worst war Europe ever had) fled to the Netherlands to escape prosecution, which in turn shipped us all out to the Cape to populate the country because they simply had nothing to do with us (we were basically illegal immigrants) The DEIC (Dutch East India Company), ruled the world then, and we were for a lack of understanding we were slaves in the modern context of the word, but the Dutch gave the French Huguenots a very good deal, work for the state (DEIC) for three years and you became a "vry burger" which means a free slave. We weren't whipped or treated as slaves and all that shit, don't get me wrong, but after three years we were naturalised as Dutch citizens, to pay for the passage from Netherlands, but we had to plant the "cabbage patches' to stop the Dutch sailors from dying from scurvy, on their way to India. It's all in the French Huguenot monument in Paarl and Stellenbosch in the Cape, I have the family tree from 1688, and could actually trace it all back at the museum? Can you believe that? After 350 years? So don't think of Cape Town as it is today, 350 years ago it was a barren landscape, with hostilities all around from animals and the locals, so next time you go to Cape Town think of it as a "cabbage patch". In fact, the guy who landed there first to claim it as Dutch territory from the Portuguese, (they had already taken Angola and Mozambique 150 years before us), Jan Van Riebeeck, hated the Cape, he was demoted by the Dutch and send to Cape Town to start a "cabbage patch", to get him back into the political elite in Amsterdam as such. (Imagine his poor wife, she must have had a temper tantrum). He left back to the Netherlands soon after that. (She must have been very happy). Anyway, besides me not speaking a word of French, there is my reason for loving the frogs. Good reason, I think. After the Bokke they are my second favourite side. So why the frogs for winning the next world cup. 1 Their under 20 side is unbelievable - they have not "just won" the last three tournaments but absolutely bullied it. They have so many players coming thru, look at LLB, he's a kid and the second-best wing in world rugby after Cheslin , and these players are coming thru. NZ is falling way behind here, the ABs are already slipping here and considering the frogs have beaten the AB's in their last three tests, is a major worry for the Kiwis. The AB's always dominated these under twenty tournament's, late 2000's, and going into the 2010's, which is why they were so successful. Those days are gone for the AB's. WE not doing much better. This is a very good sign for northern hemisphere rugby, and in particular the frogs. They are staring to produce some freaks. Just look at LLB, that lock they have and Penaud. Du Pont and Ntamack. They all came thru this system. With these four players alone, they could become unbeatable soon. 2 The structure of their rugby in France is unbelievable, they feeder system is brilliant with their academy system, they have signed up Grey Bloem, - probably the best schoolboy rugby side in the world, and ten of their players in any side has to be a frog. This is a world leader and the benefits from this will be unbelievable. SA also does this, but not too this level. Rassie has to get this right in SA. 3 You will see so many young frogs coming thru the system in the next three years, but as the French always say after they lose a game "because we are French???". BMT a major problem with the frogs. Reasons why they could lose the next world cup. 1 Referring in Australia and NZ. We all saw what happened in the world cup in 2011. Paddy O Brein absolutely ridiculed that world cup when he was in charge of the refs. AB's had not won a world cup for 24 years, and they were desperate. Look what happened in the final when the French dominated the last twenty minutes, without a penalty against the AB, s. Lying all over the ball? They also kicked us (BOKKE) out with Bryce Lawrence against the Aussie's and the way they refred that brilliant Welsh side with Warburton (Wales were on fire then) out of the tournament. Come on AB's. That was disgrace. The AB's should never have won that world cup. In fact, its disgrace, for the sake of rugby don't do that with the Aussies again just because you are hosting the next world cup. Please don't demean the next world cup. We know the Aussies are criminals but not you? PS Stop complain about 1995 with Suzie and food poisoning. It's all BS. Just for the record Kitch Cristie coached that world cup wining side He won all 15 teats as coach, 100% record. never lost a test until he resigned when he got cancer and died. (only international coach in the world to do this) Have some respect. We (Bokke) were unbeaten for two years. So, stop all the BS. 2 Lack of depth. Now you will say I am contradicting myself, with all their under twenty players. But you take LLB, Penaud, and du Pont, Ramos, and Ntamack out the backline and you have nothing. Develop replacements to come in, otherwise you will lose. You have the under twenty players, Rassie revolutionised this with the bomb squad. Mallet started this in the late 1900's when we got the then world record with 17 teats in a row? Unfortunately, the SA public did not take to his system, and he got nailed by the press. The frogs have the players to do this. Get two international sides like the Boks have, play any of those two-teams on any given Saturday, and win. if world rugby and the frogs can't do this they will lose. Rugby is not about 15 players anymore, its 30 players plus the bomb squad. Comments ?
I disagree with your comment on the lack of depth of the French team, the most recent victory against the ABs being a good counterpoint. see also the "Development Teams" of the Summer tests (casting aside the major behavior issues outside the field of last year's), there are plenty of very good players that can step in and fit in the system that has been put in place under Galthié. the fact that he tends to go for the regulars when they are available doesn't mean the team is lacking in depth. case in point, 2Cents' recent depth analysis has shown that Galthié has tested more players than any other team in the 6N in 2024. comparatively, I think the way that Andy Farrell has handled Ireland (with not obvious option to replace Sexton over the last few years) was way more concerning in my opinion.
French temperament will always be their Achilles heel. Every nation plays according to their culture/DNA. South Africa a good example. When the going gets tough they go to their default
Great comment and insights. The French definitely aren't lacking in depth but might be lacking in the development of their backup/rotation players. Anyway appreciate the time and background of the froggy South African 🙌🏼🙏🏼
Most Springbok supporters actually have the greatest respect for French rugby. Ignore our trolls please. Your domestic competition is setting the standard internationally, and the national team is on fire. While I'd love for us to win the next one, I also hope you guys (and Ireland) get to win the WC soon!
@@chriswganser God create rugby so that the world would know where SA is. Without rugby, you'd be famous for all the bad reasons and be nothing but a third world nation... remenber that.
World Rugby will NEVER allowed France to win a world cup. The game against South Africa showed it all: a defeat organised by world rugby and mastered by Craig Joubert........ I advise France to send a amateur team in 2027 .
Recent referees behaviour, not wanting to look at Tmo or simply ignoring it all together, seems to show you can buy them more easily than I myself wanted to recognise. It's simply appalling. One could ask what would be the World ranking of teams like the Boks if it were based on Rugby talent alone...
If France start getting the best talent from Grey College with the academy links to Montpellier it will be a huge boost to their ranks and a big loss for South Africa
@@Dkouts If SA has the best rugby schools in the the world it should have won the U20 World Championship more than it did! Actually NZ have 6 wins , England 4, France 3 and SA just 1 in 2012 Also SA finished 7th in the last one behind Australia and Agentina
@@WatchRugby24 Au regard des tests d'automne les irlandais sont peut-être prenables cette année, même à Dublin, ils ont perdu contre la Nouvelle Zelande et se sont fait très peur contre L'Argentine, on verra ...
I'm not the type to complain about refereeing but they were obviously robbed so many times. They should have already won at least two World Cups, and I don't think it's a subjective opinion, just reading the comments right here that share the same sentiment.
The only reason why France isn't world champ yet is because refereeing is biased towards commowealth countries. They got screwed in 2011 finals, they got screwed in 2023 against south africa
No France will never win the World Cup. South Africa - France 1995: France, the favourite, was ultra-dominant during the match. But the referee received a gold watch from the president of the South African rugby federation (true story!). The South African try scorer admitted in his autobiography that he had never scored the try that the referee had validated. 4 tries were disallowed for the French, while 3 were indisputably disallowed. New Zealand - France 2011 : R. McCaw deliberately knocked out M. Parra with his foot and knee. He had to take a red card, but the referee did not look back at the slow motion. About ten fouls not called during the last 10 minutes in the rucks while the French dominated the Blacks. Reactions from the international media to this stolen final, including the Daily Mail and the Telegraph. South Africa - France 2023: should we really talk about it again... Thank you World Rugby (or Commonwealth cup??) for your infamy.
France will never win the World Cup because of its championship. The TOP 14 is too exhausting, too wearing for the organisms. All their star players break down and they will never have the stability they hope for. This is a fact that has lasted for 10 years and since the TOP14 became the best championship in the world...
@@WatchRugby24 Debatable? Tell me what teams in the URC would be able to fight for the top 6 (giving acces to top 14 playoffs) other than Leinster and munster?
@@epicans6065 yes you have Leinster and Munster but you also have the SA sides Sharks, Stormers and Bulls who on their day can give any club a run for their money. Stormers have been terrible so far this season but when they were at their peak they were great. Glasgow Warriors also a very good team
@@WatchRugby24 Yes on their day maybe, but the top 14 is 26 games + maybe 3 playoff games if you go to the final. No other clubs in the world play that many competitive games. There are 10 teams competing for these 6 spots every year and everyone can beat each other, except for Toulouse that have the avengers and the X-men combined. Toulon, that won 3 HCUP in a row, only won 1 Top14 during that stretch. La rochelle haven't yet won the Top 14 while beating Leinster twice in a row in the Champions Cup final. Foreign clubs wouldn't be able to bear the intensity and endurance you need to have to sustain a top 14 season and finish in the top 6 while wanting to win the Champions cup also. They would need a few seasons to adapt their squad to that. You also have clashes between the top 14 and international games during the autumn tour or the 6 nations where clubs play without their best players because Top 14 is so long that they need to play even during international playing windows.
@@epicans6065 absolutely if you take them out of the URc and put them in the Top14 they'd meed a few seasons to adapt their squads and to the lengthy season but they would definitely put up a fight given the chance. Back in the day when the SA sides were part of the Super rugby and the NZ sides were at their peak the Crusaders were also a force to be reckoned with. Sure the Top14 sides are used to the long seasons and have built up the squads to cope with the loss of their star players due to international leave but the other teams could do the same if they had the time and same obligations
Nope. Ireland will be World Cup winner because Ireland is sexy. Then Argentina will get it because a team from South America should lift the Webb Ellis Troohy then Japan. France are the outsiders, it was so in the 1930s with the exclusion from the 5 nations, will remain so. BoK’s reffing in 2023 QF showed it clearly.
How can you say they are scary if they drew with Italy, lost to Argentina and Ireland in 2024. They are just a one man team with du Pont with kicking and passing abilities that's it? I don't see any large expansion or addition to the team. I don't see players being able to play in different positions at all... What I'm saying is that you need to propperly look at battle stats of players and teams plus results before posting videos like this.
@WatchRugby24 hey have you actually been watching the real Rugby??? Doesn't look like it🤣😂 you clearly cannot see that they have adapt and evolve... they have been doing the same thing over and over again... wake up before making a fool out of yourself
@@expandyourworld7500 out of the 30k that have watched the video it seems you're the only one to think so 😂 but cheers we appreciate all feedback and criticism the same. And the French are much more than a one man army. Dupont has definitely carried them at times but there're plenty of other names on the team sheet that deserves respect
@@expandyourworld7500 Mate watch the video and stop being a whining saffa fan that's butthurt cause another team has a moment in the spotlight. Top video! Viva la French 🇫🇷🇫🇷
@WatchRugby24 yes because I can clearly see you make videos that are completely biased plus you make a video of a team that act like adult todlers and complain big tim when they lose. They don't man up and take the loss like real men. You also can't see the bigger picture of teams that need to adapt and evolve... and I totally disagree with you regarding Du Pont. In each team he plays it's a 1 man game... you can even see it in the 7's Rugby. No wonder the South African supporters made fun of them when the so called 7's French coach of the year won the award and then lost in Cape Town🤣😂 like really man wake up regarding your content you are posting
France have always had an unpredictable side to their rugby, ask the All Blacks. Conversely the All Black win when it matters, with two World Cups v France. Favourites in their own RWC, they failed badly. A much better side historically that pretenders Ireland for instance but until the RWC choke stops, perpetual bridesmaids.
they are a seriously good side, especially when all there starters are fit. Unfortunately for France there is a big dip in quality from their starting xv to the rest of the players in their squad. Lucu and Jalibert aren't on the level of Dupont and Ntamack for example. If they can build some better depth they will be one of the favourites for 2027
Your talking like lucu/ la garrec and jalibert are poor. They are still some of the best in the world. But no one is duponts/ntamacks level so missing both as they did for a bit of the world cup would majorly effect any team SA, NZ or ireland.
To win the WC you need more than just 15 players. The toll on players operating at this level requires depth to manage the physical impact. The margins within the game when multiple nations are on form are small. Having depth not only helps players recover and decreases the physical impact on their bodies, but keeps the opposition guessing as to the team they are going to play against. France will be a contender in 27, but to win requires depth, belief and passion to push them though those mental barriers. Blaming referees and other teams play styles will only put you on the back foot in the modern game of television officials.
They will never beat their nemesis the Springboks, and to a lesser extend the All Blacks and the Wallabies.... simply because French rugby relies far too much on foreign players at Top 14 and Cup level.... all they clubs are filled with great international players from Southern hemisphere... and it does unfortunately reflects into their national team... Yes they currently do have a decent team, thanks to their " new style " coaching team and the selections in place, nevertheless the total passion, the permanent ongoing depth of young "espoirs" is far more limited than the super productive "sausage machine" of South Africa schools and universities rugby mad teams that turns out yearly an average of 2000 young junior players that all have the potential to become gifted international rugby players..... yes 2027 is going to be a very, very interesting World Cup Tournament...take your bets!... agreed, indeed, refereing has become a challenge but so has the "beautiful game" the moment it turned professional! lets enjoy it with respect for all the great players that are gifting us with superb performances, and may the best teams of the moment win! 😎
@@daggaboom They can recruit from SA? Who exactly? I can only remember Willemse few years ago, but he felt in disgrace with bad performances and fitness. Meafou, Tuilagi and Woki are all fighting for a place with Flament.
@@zisssssou I didn't say SA players are in the French team. Willemse is the latest example but France sends a lot of Scouts to Craven week and monitors SA schoolboy rugby as I'm sure they do other rugby nations. Your example of players competing with Flament is exactly what I'm talking about. That's serious depth and do you think Flament would be as good as he is without that competition? France has the money and lifestyle to make careers possible that otherwise might not happen for SA players. Cheslin Kolbe springs to mind right now, only after being in France did his talent get recognised by the bok selection. although...I think eligibilty rules have been made longer recently so not as easy as it has been in the past.
and rugby is the 10th? 11th most popular sport in France? i wouldn't be as optimistic as you can be, 300k 400k licenced players? its not a national sport, Rugby is far bigger in Ireland, SA, Auzz, NZ even in UK , France and maybe Italy can't stand the numbers ! great sport but England Ireland etc.. are closer to any WRC than France
Never won a World Cup. Not having even won a QF match for more than a decade. They are ranked fourth in World Rugby rankings. They also, incidentally, lost twice in the last U20 World Cup including the final against England. Their Club competition dominates their national team and prevents them picking a settled side. Not the most balanced reporting here.
This generation is young and for a lot them it was there first world cup in france which they got unlucky in. They have the best clubs in rugby, which do take priority over some useless summer internationals, but when it is an actual competition they select there choice. But they also won an u20 world cup in the past few years. French club rugby is thriving far more than any other league. Yes they are ranked fourth now but have been higher in the past few years, but they hugely missed dupont this year in the six nations and will be much better now he is back. They are only gonna get better these next few years so yes they have every chance to compete. Dont lack any critical analysis before you comment next time, you dont want to embarrass yourself again 😅
Well it would be unfair to say that France and South Africa did not come very close to one another during their last WC game, it could have gone either way. watch?v=pFhgKfmQZiE&ab_channel=SquidgeRugby Moreover, if it was not for Joubert clear as crytal cheating, France would have 100% won the WC in 2011. And it is widely accepted by any english speaking media, except in the brainwahsed kiwi bitter media watch?v=U7C6bTHyC0U&t=178s&ab_channel=BullsEye
No, this team is not scary. And no, this team will not win the world cup in 2027. Anyone putting money on them to win in 2027 is sure to lose money. This is not a talent issue, but an experience issue; the French simply are not a touring side and they will be massacred as soon as they set foot on Australian soil in 2027. They are formidable in front of their own crowds, in their own corner of the world. Travel anywhere further than you can fly in a two seater Cessna, and this French team falls apart like the paper tiger it is. - have only won one six nations since 2011 - have not featured in a world cup semi since 2011 - doesn't ever send their best players on tours to the Southern Hemisphere - Couldn't even make the semi's of their own world cup This is not a team that should scare, intimidate or even impress anyone. I know where my money will be on in 2027, and it definitely won't be on them.
They toured to Australia with their C team and nearly won the series, and won the series in Argentina this year with a pool of unexperienced players. And winning away in Dublin is much harder nowadays than winning in NZ (ask the Boks, didn't win there in more than 10 years, while Argentina won twice in NZ recently). People talk as if touring in England or Ireland was easy. France inflicted England's biggest defeat at Twickenham ever. They might not win in 2027 as so many team have what it takes to win it, but people can't discard them. They should have win it in 2011 without a dodgy ref, with a much weaker side, on NZ soil. But you are right about experience, their team was really young in 2023, and 4 years later they will be much better and hardened. And looking forward, Top14 is the only league actually making money, while Welsh, English, Australian and NZ club/provinces are slowly dying. Australia used to be a rugby powerhouse, look at them now. Look at Wales now... If NZ do not fix their rugby domestic league, they will slowly but surely collapse. It happened to France in the 2010, their domestic league was broken and as a result so was the national team. Their true weakness might still be the Top14 though, as players have to play 26 games + champions cup + Top14 finals, with most of the best clubs in the world (France won 7/8 of the last Champions/Challenge cup trophies). In contrast, Super rugby is 14 games a year per team (that's more than 3 month less of rugby, allowing players to rest). URC is 18 games per team + Champions Cup, that's 2 month less of competition. Add to that the fact that only Top 14 has relegation, meaning that lower ranked teams actually play every game as if it was the last, making every game much harder to handle for the body. It's much harder for a French Player to stay fit passed 30, compared to SH players playing in Japan or Super Rugby. But if SH rugby doesn't fix their domestic league, they will most likely collapse
@08padam I'm not saying France doesn't have the talent; they absolutely do. You touched on the Top 14 and how good a league it is; absolutely it is, but it is also the reason why under this system, France will not be as good a test team as they can be. There is a world of a difference between a 30 minute flight to London to play in Twickenham and actually flying for 14 hours to get to Sydney, dealing with jetlag, dealing with the culture shock and then getting used to the temperature. This is the very reason why a test as esteemed as the French have underperformed so badly at the major events - sure, they can play their brand of rugby close to home, but for a few weeks away, can they keep it up? The answer this far is no. Unless the French recognise the value in sending your best players abroad to do the hard grafting and unless these players are used to the conditions of the country they play in, they simply will not be successful in the alien landscape that is Australia.
@@randomlyfactual1943 France were dominant during RWC 2003. They just came short vs England in the semis due to brilliant tactics set by the Roastbeefs. I believe if they could have found a solution during this match, they would have left Australia with the trophy. There will be even more talent going down under in 2 years, lads who know they can do good again, with a staff that will learn about the 2023 managing mistakes.
Do France stand a chance to lift the Web Ellis cup in 2027? Let us know your thoughts
Definitely, if all there star players are fit and ready I can see a final in the making
Yes, but no more than SA or NZ… the problem with French rugby is that the players have a lot of games, top14 + champions cup = more than 30 games in a year, not counting international matches. Therefore, a lot of injuries…
@etiennetavitian3361 valid point. It's definitely going to be an interesting year for them
a big one
They'll be strong contenders
As a Kiwi, I respect France more than the Springboks because France don't play like scared cowards. They play rugby as it was meant to be played.
Meant to be played😂😂. How is rugby meant to be played. Rugby is a game of all sizes and how you use your size and speed js what makes rugby rugby. Just because france can't scrum etc doesn't mean their rugby is better 😂😂😂
As a frenchy i have no more respect for AB since 2011
He means like the All Blacks
The Springboks play to their strengths. Can't blame them and can't disrespect them for it
@@Nobodyokbro Run, pass score tries. Not maul, clear and await penalties or cards. That's weak rugby.
When we visit France we notice a national focus unlike anywhere else. Supermarket products routinely labelled with the flag and the region. Clothes shops with the flag on products. Cars with the flag on the dashboard. Much national manufacturing available in shops. Local products sold widely. Go to a French rugby match and it is sold out. Noisy like a festival. Kids and women everywhere. A quality stadium even in ProD2. Affordable tickets and an expectation that national or local.Ftench players will play. It is just in the culture. As a British it leaves me sad at what we let go.
This is for sure a surprising point of view from outside our borders, because in France we mostly feel a loss of our culture and identity for american culture essentially. But I have to say, self-flagellation is our National Sport (far before striking yes). Because any form of pride is easily perceived as arrogance.
The scary truth about France is they're unbeatable. Then comes Craig Joubert.
@@leoddagan 😂😂 might be true
@@leoddagan don't forget about Ben O'Keefe
@@WatchRugby24 the kiwi doesn't fall far from the tree !
@@WatchRugby24 the kiwi doesn't fall far from the tree.
Joubert might be the frenchiest name i've ever heard there might be some kind of lesson here..
Don't worry, referees and World Rugby hate France, it will never happen.
@@stephanemignot100 maybe that's the scary truth holding back France from world cup glory
Joubert et O'keef interdit à jamais en France !!!!
@@PEPEPA41 et le quart de final 95 volé contre les sudaff...
Why does World Rugby hate France? what's your evidence?
Perhaps SA is Ur problem not world rugby or refs as we have the same problems.
Funny how so many foreign players are gracing Ur clubs hey.
What's wrong?? Haven't U got enough local talent???
the scariest part of french rugby is : the sport is NOT developped in the north of france, almost ~30/40% of the french metropolitan population have no pro club in their REGION
Vannes is the first team from Brittany to play in Top 14 (and not even the biggest city in Brittany)
not any Top 14 team is from the north side of France outside of Paris
you only have Nevers in Pro D2, and Rouen in 3rd division
the game is developping fast in these regions, because Top 14 is more and more popular everywhere + world cup 2023 here in france where stadiums in Lille and Lens were full
@@neme6is.mp4 it's going to be interesting to see how the national side develops as the game grows throughout the country especially the North. France could be dominating the game by 2027
Allez vannes
Simply put, 80% of the top 14 teams are from the South of France. Rugby is only the 10th or so most popular sport in France, and was still amateurish till the early 2000's.
This new appetite for rugby is also due to the fed-up feeling with football. French football has become a sport for immigrant scum...
The LNR Ligue Nationale de Rugby managing the professionnal Rugby (Top 14 and Pro D2) was created in 1998. The JIFF (standing for Joueur issu des filières de formation aka Player coming from training courses) system in 2010.
Love him or hate him Antione Dupont is a maestro
You got that right
Interesting comment, is Antoine Dupont hated normally? New to Rugby here in the US, and I have only heard great things being said about him, and when interviewed he seems to be humble... He actually visited the facilities of the Los Angeles Chargers Football team here during the summer to check out the facilities and to spread the word about Rugby....
@MB-xq9hu he gets a lot of hate, a lot of people who think he's overrated but that's not the case at WatchRugby
He’s mid stop glazing
@@AgrestchaosloverV 😂😂
RIP Dominici !
A true legend of the game
Remember that France was swindled by Mr. O'Keefe !! And in the final, New Zealand was not helped by the arbitration either.
That's true a few shocking calls but it went both ways
Dry your legs
For those who remember we lost in 2011 8 to 7 in the final against the All Blacks in New Zealand and the referee stole from us by not whistling any penalties for France when he should have whistled at least 4.. . because it was in New Zealand and the referee wanted to leave the country alive after the match!!!
During the last World Cup, something happened that went almost unnoticed: New Zealand and South Africa were obliged to sign up to the World Anti-Doping League's agreements, on the threat of having to play under a neutral banner. We'll see in the years to come whether these 2 nations continue to outrageously dominate world rugby, or whether the balance of power shifts... I have my own ideas on the matter. 🤔
@@LeSaff going to be interesting for sure
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I know my team very well. I've been watching them play since 1978. I saw them in 3 WC finals that I didn't think they could win and they didn't. I saw them in 2 WCs that I thought they could win and they didn't (2003, 2007). I thought they were losing a bit of steam before and in the 2023 WC and they lost in 1/4.
All this being said, I think this is the first time in France rugby history that they have a real system meant to produce players and a team focused on winning games and competitions, including the WC. That doesn't mean they will win the WC. That just means they will be one of the teams that has what it takes to win it. I think France can keep this up for a long time so possibly they will regularly show up in WCs as one of the team that can win it and who knows, maybe one day ....
@@jeanmas4197 they definitely have a great team right now. Able to go all the way if all their players are fit and healthy and playing to their best on the day
you make some very good points there
The 03 and 07 sides had some great players like Jauzion and Michalak
@@Dkouts 2003, they really had a WC winning team. Kudos to England for handling them perfectly. They too had a WC winning team and they won it. I do believe if France could have passed England, they would have won it.
Losing to SA in 2023 was heartbreaking, but the SAs bench made the difference, + a couple of errors, like Ramos taking way too long to kick so Kolbé managed to block him. And the gap he left in the 1st half that resulted in a SAs try. France even though they are fantastic lack this little thing that makes a difference. We shall see in the next wc if they managed to get to the next level. But as a French fan of that team I am delighted by the games they offer. Allez les bleus damn it!
Of course, France can win in 2027. They've got a good manager, talented leaders and one hungry new generation knocking on the national team door. But France need to avoid last-minute injuries, keep Dupont safe, fight against experienced NZ and SA teams and also escape some referees "traps".
2027 will lookalike pretty much to 2023 with not one clear favorite, but a pack of 4-5 solid teams.
agreed, it will be hotly contested
Their young talent coming through is scary
Keep Dupont safe? this is exactly the problem. this isn't football and 1 player does not define a team
@@zisssssou SA, NZ, Ireland and France. England and Australia out with something to prove and the underdogs Wales, Scotland and Fiji all trying to cause an upset
Only corrupted World Rugby makes the winners . FTA
I've been watching international Rugby since the 70s, and France, to my knowledge, has always been considered a tier 1 Rugby nation. They were the last team to beat the Allblacks at Eden Park, not to mention against debutant Jonah Lomu. In my opinion, France has always had great players.
True they have always been contenders. Just a bit inconsistent at times but hopefully with the recent changes they can find better depth and consistency
I love watching French rugby and certainly we are seeing more youmg talent coming through their academies.
The T14 is a tough and long tournament and teams like Toulouse and La Rochelle are going well in the European Champions Cup. With real depth coming into the national set up i am really intrested to see how France go in this years 6 Nations especially as i think it will be the most competitive tournament in years
The 6 nations this year is going to be epic. Ireland, Scotland and England are out on a mission and the French will be tested in all areas
Can't wait for 6 Nations 2025 !!!
Keep in mind that this year isn’t a good one for the French team, as they’re will be 3 games outside and 2 at home for France, with a game in Ireland and one in England. Even if I support France, I think Ireland are the favourites.
I feel like saffas are going to have a stroke when watching this video 😂😂
😂😂 fair is fair and the French deserve some recognition
@@WatchRugby24a part of the Eiffel Towe will be given to you as recognition of that 🎖️
Their academy setup is the best in the world
Absolutely, a lot of countries can learn a thing or two from them
Leinster
@DylanSyllabeu leinster are probably the closest when comparing those academies. But the whole of France are doing something special not just one club
@xaviermurray7698 exactly 💯
the rest of the world could learn something from them in this department
Good analysis. I hope the system which has been built will be as efficient as what has been build for French handball (3 Gold Medal, 6 time World Champion, 4 times European Champion, all this in the last 30 years) . The critical part will be "who to succeed to Galthié?" Here can be the trick.
I wonder how long he'll stick around for
True they'll have to keep him as long as possible and find a worthy successor
@@henryfynn7562 Ugo Mola, Yannick Bru
Hugo Mola, probably. And I think Galthié is not as good as we tell
@@AndreMalraux20341 Can you elaborate on what is not good in Galthié job ?
Amazing to see the French flair back under Fabien Galthie
Always exciting to watch
Now to keep it going strong for 2027
You’re on fire, Les Bleus! 🔥
You already know!
Awesome video, hope to see more content like this !
The truth is that France will never win the Web Ellis Cup as long as it is refereed by a referee from the Comonwels. Even a final against Georgia, if the referee comes from the Comonwels, France will lose, even with fifteen Antoine Duponts.
If the French have that attitude you very right, France have no chance. If you want to see what needs to happen to WC try watching “Chasing the Sun”.
You may get an understanding of what it is to overcome challenges to become champions, both in sport and life.
😂😂 the scary truth revealed
@@svent7511 Right, champions in life...
"Commonwealth", plus exactement.
Et quand on connaît le sens exact de ce mot (et donc son étymologie), son orthographe est cruciale et doit être respectée.
Common Well
En frança🇫🇷is : merci et bravo pour ton analyse très juste. Le changement vient peut être du fait que le rugby était culturellement un sport du sud ouest de la France et s'est très largement étendu à d'autres régions (dont la Bretagne - incroyable !). Par contre, il y a une seule erreur : au début, tu as illustré le mot "champagne" avec un verre de vin 😆 olalala
English: thank you and bravo for your very accurate analysis. Perhaps the change comes from the fact that rugby used to be culturally a sport in the south-west of France and has now spread very widely to other regions (including Brittany - unbelievable!). However, there's just one mistake: at the beginning, you illustrated the word "champagne" with a glass of wine 😆 olalala
Thank you for the feedback and support 🙌🏼 haha the wine image for champagne was a small error from our side we apologize
As a Saffa i would love to see this tis good for the game.. Competitiveness. 2027 gon be a crazy RWC🔥🔥🔥🔥
Going to be an epic showdown for sure. 2 years to go 💪🏼
The JIFF regulation is truly a great thing. As a frenchie myself I really like it. Slight correction on your comment : teams in the top 14 and pro D2 must _maintain an average of 16 JIFF players per game across the season_ , as opposed to on any game day as you said. My favourite team, ASM Clermont Auvergne, had a couple struggles with that regulation and would regularly have to bring in more JIFFs even though they're not the best players to keep up the average.
@@kaderloop785 thanks for the correction
In the long run it's great for French rugby
Très bon reportage.
A part que ce n'est pas colbi qui est responsable de la défaite en 1/4.
La tmo aurait du revoir l'action et comme il est parti avant la course la penalite aurait dû être refaite
1 pas sûre que Ramos reussisse.
2 le match était loin d'être fini et gagné.
Ce qu'il y a de plus évident dans la mauvaise foi se sont toutes ces mains des box au sol dans les ruck ... QUE des bêtes à 3 pattes impossible pour eux de rester sur leur appuis
Sure but that Kolbe charge down was a big change in momentum
The French ❤ 🇫🇷!
Can't wait to see how they perform at the 6 nations this year
Viva La French, we love you!❤🇫🇷
Indeed we do! Appreciate the support
For several years there has also been a lot of work by the federation to bring rugby to “popular neighborhoods with immigrant backgrounds” (Cameron Woki is an incarnation of this). This is an important change for the culture of rugby in France which has a “peasant” image.
The pool of young players is much larger and therefore allows us to have a larger and better elite at the top of the pyramid.
If the implementation is done completely and for a long time, I think we are at the start of something colossal.
Well said. The best is yet to come if the trend continues
France did shocking against Ireland in the six nations, later that year we played a shocking game against New Zealand, later France had an amazing game against them. No doubt about it France is beyond masterclass, my personal trio is Thomas Ramos, Antoine DuPont and Romain Ntamack.
@@Freezeeny they seem to be a bit inconsistent at times but when it works they are a joy to watch
World cup hangover ... They were awful against Ireland but also against Scotland and Italy. They were extremely lucky to win against Scotland and extremely lucky to not lose against Italy. But once the coach brought in new fresh talented players (get the regular players some well deserved rest) against Wales, they started clicking again.
@@jeanmas4197 They had around 7 key players who were injured or missing. The rookie players surprisingly revealed themselves but you can't build a balanced team overnight.
They are going to be a serious problem at the 2027 WC
@@Dkouts definitely and serious contenders for another 6-nations title this year
for sure
no issue... probably another referee will stop them as usually...
@@WatchRugby24 true but at this date, Ireland is French Nemesis.
And the match will play in dublin.
So we will see if they are able to beat Ireland team, which seems to be slightly less strong than previous years.
@@brunodesbergesdarzNever two whitout three
We welcome you over to new zealand next year. Best of three
That will be a great series
Except that only team B will come. Which is a bummer for rugby.
What a beautiful play thank You England to let us feel great.
Glad you enjoyed it 🙏🏼
As a French, rugby lover from the father to the son, I follow the rugby since early 70’s, but I really need to say I’m not trusting anymore the IRB, i guess now it’s called World Rugby, all is setup for an Anglo Saxon dominance, starting with the referees, for me, in the last World Cup, south Africa was meant to win, and France was not the only victim by the way, New Zealand was also. Then, to my concern, in the current state of the international rugby institutions, France will never have a chance to win, no matter what team we got. And most of the French rugby supporters are thinking the same.
I am supporting a secession from the present international institutions, and the creation of another international system.
@@nicolasmethout7082 let's hope that things will change in the near future to support a fair game for all
They actually got to the Rugby World cup final (the 1st Rugby World Cup) back in 1954 when they lost to Great Britain.
They stand a good chance to reach the same heights in 2027
Unless we get into Commonwealth, we'll never win WC...ah la perfide albion...
Can be done. Nothing is impossible
En vérité la France a le meilleur championnat du monde le top14 (voire même les deux meilleurs du monde avec la proD2), donc l'équipe nationale passera toujours après le top14, contrairement au reste des grands nations du rugby qui ont des championnats qui déclinent. Si la France accordait autant d'importance à son équipe nationale que les autres grandes nations, je pense qu'elle leur roulerait dessus.
They should at least be considering to up the importance of the national side before the 2027 RWC
@WatchRugby24 Hello. I think that it won't be the case. Why ? Because players are paid by clubs, and clubs already made efforts for the 23 world cup. Galthier could engage up to 42 players during that period at each international period, he had a lot of support and he only won the 6 nations once and felt to win the world cup.
For instance, next summer series for France are 3 matchs in New zeland but top players, who play the top14 finals, won't attend.
@@toutopoil yes we have already seen a lot of negativity about the French stars not attending the games in NZ. It's sad to see because they could be such an impeccable side if they were given the opportunity
Ty for this video (sorry for my english (jking)) If we dont win the next mrwc, im gonna cry even more than 2023.... We can win, but we dont.... +1
They stand a good chance
Our pleasure and thanks for watching 🙏🏼 2027 will be great 💪🏼🇫🇷
And the scariest part is that these lads are just the first generation of JIFF, plenty more to come. The job that has been done by French Rugby has been incredible from the ground level. Just watch this last game between La Rochelle and Toulouse where Toulouse used 15 new players (average age of the team 21yo) and they lost to a last minute penalty) The future is bright, Dupont's generation is just the "Entrée" to hopefully a very long dinner!
By First generation I mean the first generation of kids who grew up in these academy from the beginning
The future is bright indeed. Can't wait to see what other talents come through the ranks
Plenty of comments about referees. Did Ben O Keefe really cost France the quarter final or were they simply not good enough ?? Comment down below
They were brilliant on the day but they were beaten by a better team not by the ref. Great teams don't point fingers at everyone else, they focus on what they can do better. France didn't take all the chances available to them and made costly errors like the Jalibert kick. They are an excellent side but constantly blaming refs and rugby boards won't make them any better.
@@greeruguru If they were using video to doublecheck every action during the match, I would truly and happily agree with you. Sadly, none of the actions were doublechecked and we could not even see it twice on screen because there was no replay.
Sorry my friend but when we cannot see anything on TV, it means something. I'm used to watch Rugby since a very long time, I know what we are supposed to see in replay when something happens.
So the fault is not only on O'Keefe of course, the fault is mainly on World Rugby.
We should be able to see everything as spectactors behind our TV.
If we can see everything during non world cup matches but we cannot see anything during the world cup games... Well, it simply stinks to me. I was highly disappointed by World Rugby during the last world cup... And I believe there is probably some corruption somewhere in this organization...
@Tardyg interesting points. Glad everyone can have their opinions and express them respectfully
As a South African I have witnessed many times where South Africa was hard done by referees as well, the Bryce Lawrence game against Australia is one and the Owen Farrell tackle on Esterhuizen is another that springs to mind. So I don't think it's a case of world rugby purposefully having something against France because all teams get the short end of the stick every now and then.
France have also benefitted from ref decisions in the past such as the 07 world cup.
Tough to say it's a referee that cost them the game but at the same time referees definitely play a big role if they are making bad calls and not listening to TMO's as they should. We've seen this happen a few times in the URC season already
World Rugby officiait recognized that Ben O’Keefe cost France in this match.
It was a shocking performance.
Top 14 players plays way too much.
And all French players plays in T14.
So that, french national team strugle to reach the full potentiel.
True that is probably their biggest concern at the moment
I seen 3 finals with France but the hight deception has been the quarter final in 2023 ... for the first time in my life i cryed in watching sports . 1987 we can't beat the All Blacks , 1999 i think they just missed the mission . 2011 is special , i think referees steel the victory to france but our pacrour in competition was absoluty dirt and finally we doesn't deserved the trophy . 2023 was our year , our moment , our wold cup .. a very sad moment .
We concur. 2023 match was one of the best games ever played. A nail biter right till the last minute
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All of that will aslo depends on who is best doped, that's the main parameter with the referee
Which referee
Bring in refs that are not bribeable
France needs to fix the Top14 to become unbeatable. Too many games, a long season, making it hard to manage players fitness. Once the top stars get the same rest afforded to the Irish stars, France will be able to up the intensity and deploy its full power. In the meantime, they'll always have that disadvantage . The staff is trying to manage that, hence why we send second and third teams on the June tour. It's good for depth. But we really need to take that Top14 step next.
@@guillaumemille3260 agreed the long seasons together with the Champions cup it too much. Cut back on a club level to step up on an international level
I don't know Galtier but he always looks so serious, even when they score he barely cheers, locked in.
I believe the Boks and France will face each other in the autumn nations series 2025.Then we will see who's the scarriest
@@jacopotgieter817 going to be an epic showdown
Win or lose? That's OK! Being scared? Never ever!
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@@heyitsmecherryb 🙌🏼🙌🏼
The question remains: can they beat nz & sa on consecutive weeks?
@@faridasolomon1498 that's a great question indeed
Qui paiera le mieux l'arbitre à la prochaine coupe du monde ? Suspens ! Mais ce sera une équipe anglo-saxonne, encore une fois.
Haha they should just bring in referees from Japan
Allez les Bleus !
Let's go!
Excellent synthèse, Merci !! 👍🤞
It is not a matter of if we wind or not…
It is always a matter of how we played the match.
More brillant we play, more victory is possible because what we love first
is the "Panache" that we put in the game and that you call the French Flair.
But for sure, wind the world cup is one of our goal !! 😀😉👍💪🤞🇫🇷
It's a pleasure. Thank you for the support 🙌🏼
"the Nation which gave us Champagne"
*shows red wine pouring*
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dude -.-
Rugby is an english business, you're allowed to participate not to win.
@@frv84 😂😂
Does France have a real issue with refereeing or does refereeing have a real problem with France? Pls let me know your thoughts
We think it's just been a case of focusing on the bad calls in the games that carried a lot of weight. Sure there has been a lot of bad calls but it has been the same for all teams. Then there have also been some bad calls that worked in favour of the French but nobody seems to remember those. Anyway that's just our opinion
So let's to the point here why France has a very good chance of winning the next world cup, but they have a VERY VERY VERY big deficiency which they have to contend with - they have time to do it but I will explain this later. So many people ask me why I have a french name but am from South Africa. Everywhere i go around the world I introduce myself as Francois but they think I'm French. So here is my French lineage and why they are my second favourite side besides the Bokke.
I am not digressing here but let me explain why I love the frog side after the Bokke. my background with a French name as a South African, Francois (the rest of the world does not understand this), (besides the frogs) and they (the rest of the world) always ask me about it. And all you frogs will love this. I am digressing now which all my friends rip me off about but it's interesting. I am a fourteenth generation SA boy with French Descent, from the French Huguenots which had to come out as French Huguenots when the Catholic Protestant 30 war raged in the middle of the 1600's and we (protestants) (probably the worst war Europe ever had) fled to the Netherlands to escape prosecution, which in turn shipped us all out to the Cape to populate the country because they simply had nothing to do with us (we were basically illegal immigrants) The DEIC (Dutch East India Company), ruled the world then, and we were for a lack of understanding we were slaves in the modern context of the word, but the Dutch gave the French Huguenots a very good deal, work for the state (DEIC) for three years and you became a "vry burger" which means a free slave. We weren't whipped or treated as slaves and all that shit, don't get me wrong, but after three years we were naturalised as Dutch citizens, to pay for the passage from Netherlands, but we had to plant the "cabbage patches' to stop the Dutch sailors from dying from scurvy, on their way to India. It's all in the French Huguenot monument in Paarl and Stellenbosch in the Cape, I have the family tree from 1688, and could actually trace it all back at the museum? Can you believe that? After 350 years? So don't think of Cape Town as it is today, 350 years ago it was a barren landscape, with hostilities all around from animals and the locals, so next time you go to Cape Town think of it as a "cabbage patch". In fact, the guy who landed there first to claim it as Dutch territory from the Portuguese, (they had already taken Angola and Mozambique 150 years before us), Jan Van Riebeeck, hated the Cape, he was demoted by the Dutch and send to Cape Town to start a "cabbage patch", to get him back into the political elite in Amsterdam as such. (Imagine his poor wife, she must have had a temper tantrum). He left back to the Netherlands soon after that. (She must have been very happy).
Anyway, besides me not speaking a word of French, there is my reason for loving the frogs. Good reason, I think. After the Bokke they are my second favourite side.
So why the frogs for winning the next world cup.
1 Their under 20 side is unbelievable - they have not "just won" the last three tournaments but absolutely bullied it. They have so many players coming thru, look at LLB, he's a kid and the second-best wing in world rugby after Cheslin , and these players are coming thru. NZ is falling way behind here, the ABs are already slipping here and considering the frogs have beaten the AB's in their last three tests, is a major worry for the Kiwis. The AB's always dominated these under twenty tournament's, late 2000's, and going into the 2010's, which is why they were so successful. Those days are gone for the AB's. WE not doing much better. This is a very good sign for northern hemisphere rugby, and in particular the frogs. They are staring to produce some freaks. Just look at LLB, that lock they have and Penaud. Du Pont and Ntamack. They all came thru this system. With these four players alone, they could become unbeatable soon.
2 The structure of their rugby in France is unbelievable, they feeder system is brilliant with their academy system, they have signed up Grey Bloem, - probably the best schoolboy rugby side in the world, and ten of their players in any side has to be a frog. This is a world leader and the benefits from this will be unbelievable. SA also does this, but not too this level. Rassie has to get this right in SA.
3 You will see so many young frogs coming thru the system in the next three years, but as the French always say after they lose a game "because we are French???". BMT a major problem with the frogs.
Reasons why they could lose the next world cup.
1 Referring in Australia and NZ. We all saw what happened in the world cup in 2011. Paddy O Brein absolutely ridiculed that world cup when he was in charge of the refs. AB's had not won a world cup for 24 years, and they were desperate. Look what happened in the final when the French dominated the last twenty minutes, without a penalty against the AB, s. Lying all over the ball? They also kicked us (BOKKE) out with Bryce Lawrence against the Aussie's and the way they refred that brilliant Welsh side with Warburton (Wales were on fire then) out of the tournament. Come on AB's. That was disgrace. The AB's should never have won that world cup. In fact, its disgrace, for the sake of rugby don't do that with the Aussies again just because you are hosting the next world cup. Please don't demean the next world cup. We know the Aussies are criminals but not you?
PS Stop complain about 1995 with Suzie and food poisoning. It's all BS. Just for the record Kitch Cristie coached that world cup wining side He won all 15 teats as coach, 100% record. never lost a test until he resigned when he got cancer and died. (only international coach in the world to do this) Have some respect. We (Bokke) were unbeaten for two years. So, stop all the BS.
2 Lack of depth. Now you will say I am contradicting myself, with all their under twenty players. But you take LLB, Penaud, and du Pont, Ramos, and Ntamack out the backline and you have nothing. Develop replacements to come in, otherwise you will lose. You have the under twenty players, Rassie revolutionised this with the bomb squad. Mallet started this in the late 1900's when we got the then world record with 17 teats in a row? Unfortunately, the SA public did not take to his system, and he got nailed by the press. The frogs have the players to do this. Get two international sides like the Boks have, play any of those two-teams on any given Saturday, and win. if world rugby and the frogs can't do this they will lose. Rugby is not about 15 players anymore, its 30 players plus the bomb squad.
Comments ?
I disagree with your comment on the lack of depth of the French team, the most recent victory against the ABs being a good counterpoint. see also the "Development Teams" of the Summer tests (casting aside the major behavior issues outside the field of last year's), there are plenty of very good players that can step in and fit in the system that has been put in place under Galthié. the fact that he tends to go for the regulars when they are available doesn't mean the team is lacking in depth. case in point, 2Cents' recent depth analysis has shown that Galthié has tested more players than any other team in the 6N in 2024. comparatively, I think the way that Andy Farrell has handled Ireland (with not obvious option to replace Sexton over the last few years) was way more concerning in my opinion.
French temperament will always be their Achilles heel. Every nation plays according to their culture/DNA. South Africa a good example. When the going gets tough they go to their default
Great comment and insights. The French definitely aren't lacking in depth but might be lacking in the development of their backup/rotation players. Anyway appreciate the time and background of the froggy South African 🙌🏼🙏🏼
So by which name do you come by in South Africa? Faf?
"and champagne"...shows red wine, lol ;-)
@@florent6382 😂🍷 our bad we know
I am waiting for a south african to throw his anger and disgust at this video.....
@@electroaimant5402 what is there to be angry about? 😂 France deserves respect in the rugby world
Why should we be angry, our trophy cabinet is full, when you actually win a world cup you can sit at the big boys table.........
Most Springbok supporters actually have the greatest respect for French rugby. Ignore our trolls please. Your domestic competition is setting the standard internationally, and the national team is on fire. While I'd love for us to win the next one, I also hope you guys (and Ireland) get to win the WC soon!
@@chriswganser God create rugby so that the world would know where SA is. Without rugby, you'd be famous for all the bad reasons and be nothing but a third world nation... remenber that.
@@chriswganser Ask all the angry SA trolling all the rugby comment sections?
that wasnt shaun edwards 🤣🤣
World Rugby will NEVER allowed France to win a world cup. The game against South Africa showed it all: a defeat organised by world rugby and mastered by Craig Joubert........ I advise France to send a amateur team in 2027 .
We cannot be negative. As TMO is becoming used more and more the referees cannot keep getting away with bad calls
@@WatchRugby24 but they do!!!! They could ask for video but they didn't.... strange ....
Recent referees behaviour, not wanting to look at Tmo or simply ignoring it all together, seems to show you can buy them more easily than I myself wanted to recognise. It's simply appalling.
One could ask what would be the World ranking of teams like the Boks if it were based on Rugby talent alone...
@@Yvan-08 1000%
Who's your favourite French player of all time ? 🇫🇷 comment down below
@@Dkouts Sebastian Chabal 🤫
Vincent Clerc
As a Kiwi, Serge Blanco and Dusautoir were my favourite players
Serge Blanco évidemment !
Blanco, N'Tamack (père), Villepreux, Clerc, Galthié and some others
If they protect their star players and do their reseach on the history of the coaches of the minor teams, it is possible
@@johanziervogel9517 true they will have a real shot at making history come 2027
If France start getting the best talent from Grey College with the academy links to Montpellier it will be a huge boost to their ranks and a big loss for South Africa
South African schools rugby is the best in the world so they'll still have plenty to pick from but Grey college does produce quality players.
@@Dkouts If SA has the best rugby schools in the the world it should have won the U20 World Championship more than it did!
Actually NZ have 6 wins , England 4, France 3 and SA just 1 in 2012
Also SA finished 7th in the last one behind Australia and Agentina
@@DkoutsNZ school rugby triumphs all
N'ayez crainte, il vous reste les arbitres comme joubert ou o'keefe..
@@brunodesbergesdarz Glaric tears are delicious...
You guys have Jeppe in the background as the South African school instead of Grey Bloem.
Also, you used the wrong picture for Vlok Cillers
Editing mistake. Good eye though
yeah, i was a bit confused about that south african doppelganger of Laurent Labit.
My only question is : are we going to get robbed by SA and corrupt arbitration next time around ?
SA is not the only team capable of robbing last minute victories
They have seven or eight Polys, so they have to be taken very seriously now.
Have to be in the conversation of worlds best at the moment
Let's see how they go in the 6N first. Lots of talk but winning that comp will prove their worth.
@@bdunnigan73 tough match up against Ireland but the rest they should dominate
It's going to be a nail biter between them and Ireland
@@Dkoutsc'est toujours de bons moments...🍺😂
@@WatchRugby24 Au regard des tests d'automne les irlandais sont peut-être prenables cette année, même à Dublin, ils ont perdu contre la Nouvelle Zelande et se sont fait très peur contre L'Argentine, on verra ...
I'm not the type to complain about refereeing but they were obviously robbed so many times. They should have already won at least two World Cups, and I don't think it's a subjective opinion, just reading the comments right here that share the same sentiment.
True so many that share the same opinion
No good talking up a team. Wait until they deliver
Got to give credit where credit is due
The only reason why France isn't world champ yet is because refereeing is biased towards commowealth countries. They got screwed in 2011 finals, they got screwed in 2023 against south africa
You forgotten 1995…
No France will never win the World Cup.
South Africa - France 1995: France, the favourite, was ultra-dominant during the match. But the referee received a gold watch from the president of the South African rugby federation (true story!). The South African try scorer admitted in his autobiography that he had never scored the try that the referee had validated. 4 tries were disallowed for the French, while 3 were indisputably disallowed.
New Zealand - France 2011 : R. McCaw deliberately knocked out M. Parra with his foot and knee. He had to take a red card, but the referee did not look back at the slow motion. About ten fouls not called during the last 10 minutes in the rucks while the French dominated the Blacks. Reactions from the international media to this stolen final, including the Daily Mail and the Telegraph.
South Africa - France 2023: should we really talk about it again...
Thank you World Rugby (or Commonwealth cup??) for your infamy.
Monteplier dominating what ?? 🫣
No one remembers second place!
Who could really hate Antoine Dupont !?
Anyone who is not French? (Saffas)😂
Hum… Ben O’Keefe?
France will never win the World Cup because of its championship. The TOP 14 is too exhausting, too wearing for the organisms. All their star players break down and they will never have the stability they hope for. This is a fact that has lasted for 10 years and since the TOP14 became the best championship in the world...
Debatable between Top14 and URC
@@WatchRugby24 Debatable?
Tell me what teams in the URC would be able to fight for the top 6 (giving acces to top 14 playoffs) other than Leinster and munster?
@@epicans6065 yes you have Leinster and Munster but you also have the SA sides Sharks, Stormers and Bulls who on their day can give any club a run for their money. Stormers have been terrible so far this season but when they were at their peak they were great. Glasgow Warriors also a very good team
@@WatchRugby24 Yes on their day maybe, but the top 14 is 26 games + maybe 3 playoff games if you go to the final. No other clubs in the world play that many competitive games. There are 10 teams competing for these 6 spots every year and everyone can beat each other, except for Toulouse that have the avengers and the X-men combined.
Toulon, that won 3 HCUP in a row, only won 1 Top14 during that stretch. La rochelle haven't yet won the Top 14 while beating Leinster twice in a row in the Champions Cup final.
Foreign clubs wouldn't be able to bear the intensity and endurance you need to have to sustain a top 14 season and finish in the top 6 while wanting to win the Champions cup also.
They would need a few seasons to adapt their squad to that.
You also have clashes between the top 14 and international games during the autumn tour or the 6 nations where clubs play without their best players because Top 14 is so long that they need to play even during international playing windows.
@@epicans6065 absolutely if you take them out of the URc and put them in the Top14 they'd meed a few seasons to adapt their squads and to the lengthy season but they would definitely put up a fight given the chance. Back in the day when the SA sides were part of the Super rugby and the NZ sides were at their peak the Crusaders were also a force to be reckoned with. Sure the Top14 sides are used to the long seasons and have built up the squads to cope with the loss of their star players due to international leave but the other teams could do the same if they had the time and same obligations
Nope. Ireland will be World Cup winner because Ireland is sexy. Then Argentina will get it because a team from South America should lift the Webb Ellis Troohy then Japan.
France are the outsiders, it was so in the 1930s with the exclusion from the 5 nations, will remain so.
BoK’s reffing in 2023 QF showed it clearly.
@@alphaomegon3683 Ireland breaking their world cup curse? That would be a shocking turn of events
How can you say they are scary if they drew with Italy, lost to Argentina and Ireland in 2024. They are just a one man team with du Pont with kicking and passing abilities that's it? I don't see any large expansion or addition to the team. I don't see players being able to play in different positions at all... What I'm saying is that you need to propperly look at battle stats of players and teams plus results before posting videos like this.
@@expandyourworld7500 did you watch the video in full? 😂 We explained everything in detail as to why we say what we said
@WatchRugby24 hey have you actually been watching the real Rugby??? Doesn't look like it🤣😂 you clearly cannot see that they have adapt and evolve... they have been doing the same thing over and over again... wake up before making a fool out of yourself
@@expandyourworld7500 out of the 30k that have watched the video it seems you're the only one to think so 😂 but cheers we appreciate all feedback and criticism the same.
And the French are much more than a one man army. Dupont has definitely carried them at times but there're plenty of other names on the team sheet that deserves respect
@@expandyourworld7500 Mate watch the video and stop being a whining saffa fan that's butthurt cause another team has a moment in the spotlight. Top video! Viva la French 🇫🇷🇫🇷
@WatchRugby24 yes because I can clearly see you make videos that are completely biased plus you make a video of a team that act like adult todlers and complain big tim when they lose. They don't man up and take the loss like real men. You also can't see the bigger picture of teams that need to adapt and evolve... and I totally disagree with you regarding Du Pont. In each team he plays it's a 1 man game... you can even see it in the 7's Rugby. No wonder the South African supporters made fun of them when the so called 7's French coach of the year won the award and then lost in Cape Town🤣😂 like really man wake up regarding your content you are posting
France have always had an unpredictable side to their rugby, ask the All Blacks. Conversely the All Black win when it matters, with two World Cups v France.
Favourites in their own RWC, they failed badly. A much better side historically that pretenders Ireland for instance but until the RWC choke stops, perpetual bridesmaids.
they are a seriously good side, especially when all there starters are fit. Unfortunately for France there is a big dip in quality from their starting xv to the rest of the players in their squad. Lucu and Jalibert aren't on the level of Dupont and Ntamack for example. If they can build some better depth they will be one of the favourites for 2027
Good point, but with there regular starters they can beat anyone
Your talking like lucu/ la garrec and jalibert are poor. They are still some of the best in the world. But no one is duponts/ntamacks level so missing both as they did for a bit of the world cup would majorly effect any team SA, NZ or ireland.
If their starting players are and stay fit and healthy throughout the RWC 2027 they're going to be a seriously dangerous team
To win the WC you need more than just 15 players. The toll on players operating at this level requires depth to manage the physical impact. The margins within the game when multiple nations are on form are small. Having depth not only helps players recover and decreases the physical impact on their bodies, but keeps the opposition guessing as to the team they are going to play against. France will be a contender in 27, but to win requires depth, belief and passion to push them though those mental barriers.
Blaming referees and other teams play styles will only put you on the back foot in the modern game of television officials.
They will never beat their nemesis the Springboks, and to a lesser extend the All Blacks and the Wallabies.... simply because French rugby relies far too much on foreign players at Top 14 and Cup level.... all they clubs are filled with great international players from Southern hemisphere... and it does unfortunately reflects into their national team... Yes they currently do have a decent team, thanks to their " new style " coaching team and the selections in place, nevertheless the total passion, the permanent ongoing depth of young "espoirs" is far more limited than the super productive "sausage machine" of South Africa schools and universities rugby mad teams that turns out yearly an average of 2000 young junior players that all have the potential to become gifted international rugby players..... yes 2027 is going to be a very, very interesting World Cup Tournament...take your bets!... agreed, indeed, refereing has become a challenge but so has the "beautiful game" the moment it turned professional! lets enjoy it with respect for all the great players that are gifting us with superb performances, and may the best teams of the moment win!
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France are "scary" until they encounter the back to back, RWC champion Springboks in a World Cup semi final 😂
True 😂
@@stephenstrydom1 that's a tough call for any team in the world to face 😅
the last meeting could have been won by any of the teams. 1 point difference does not show supremacy
@kropotkine9640 it just shows a superior will to win......
@@chriswganser This video just shows how the ref turned a blind eye on many SA faults th-cam.com/video/3fM3Gi4Lir8/w-d-xo.html
i am so scared that my knees are already checking ... he hhe
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they can play as cute as they like - the Boks will always stop them from winning a world cup.
@@RhinoRhinoGiraffe the real question is can the boks go back to back to back?
We won't always stop them. They are a monster team now too and they can recruit from SA while we will never recruit from anywhere else.
@@daggaboom true they are breeding a dangerous squad and SA is helping them to
@@daggaboom They can recruit from SA? Who exactly? I can only remember Willemse few years ago, but he felt in disgrace with bad performances and fitness. Meafou, Tuilagi and Woki are all fighting for a place with Flament.
@@zisssssou I didn't say SA players are in the French team. Willemse is the latest example but France sends a lot of Scouts to Craven week and monitors SA schoolboy rugby as I'm sure they do other rugby nations. Your example of players competing with Flament is exactly what I'm talking about. That's serious depth and do you think Flament would be as good as he is without that competition? France has the money and lifestyle to make careers possible that otherwise might not happen for SA players. Cheslin Kolbe springs to mind right now, only after being in France did his talent get recognised by the bok selection. although...I think eligibilty rules have been made longer recently so not as easy as it has been in the past.
and rugby is the 10th? 11th most popular sport in France? i wouldn't be as optimistic as you can be, 300k 400k licenced players? its not a national sport, Rugby is far bigger in Ireland, SA, Auzz, NZ even in UK , France and maybe Italy can't stand the numbers ! great sport but England Ireland etc.. are closer to any WRC than France
It doesn't have the popularity it has in other countries but it is growing and their players are top tier so you can't count them out
😂😂😂 sorry froggies but coming 2nd is the 1st loser.
@@SteveWarlee 😂😂
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@@AgrestchaosloverV 🦌🔥
Haha 😂 😉
Third world yappers as usual 😂
Never won a World Cup. Not having even won a QF match for more than a decade. They are ranked fourth in World Rugby rankings. They also, incidentally, lost twice in the last U20 World Cup including the final against England. Their Club competition dominates their national team and prevents them picking a settled side. Not the most balanced reporting here.
This generation is young and for a lot them it was there first world cup in france which they got unlucky in. They have the best clubs in rugby, which do take priority over some useless summer internationals, but when it is an actual competition they select there choice. But they also won an u20 world cup in the past few years. French club rugby is thriving far more than any other league. Yes they are ranked fourth now but have been higher in the past few years, but they hugely missed dupont this year in the six nations and will be much better now he is back. They are only gonna get better these next few years so yes they have every chance to compete. Dont lack any critical analysis before you comment next time, you dont want to embarrass yourself again 😅
strange choice of you to talk about their u20 team which has won 3 of the last 4 u20 world cups
Tiens? Un sud Africain aigri....ça fait longtemps
Well it would be unfair to say that France and South Africa did not come very close to one another during their last WC game, it could have gone either way.
watch?v=pFhgKfmQZiE&ab_channel=SquidgeRugby
Moreover, if it was not for Joubert clear as crytal cheating, France would have 100% won the WC in 2011.
And it is widely accepted by any english speaking media, except in the brainwahsed kiwi bitter media
watch?v=U7C6bTHyC0U&t=178s&ab_channel=BullsEye
That’s the whole point of that video to explain the potential which is not yet visible in their results
No, this team is not scary. And no, this team will not win the world cup in 2027. Anyone putting money on them to win in 2027 is sure to lose money. This is not a talent issue, but an experience issue; the French simply are not a touring side and they will be massacred as soon as they set foot on Australian soil in 2027.
They are formidable in front of their own crowds, in their own corner of the world. Travel anywhere further than you can fly in a two seater Cessna, and this French team falls apart like the paper tiger it is.
- have only won one six nations since 2011
- have not featured in a world cup semi since 2011
- doesn't ever send their best players on tours to the Southern Hemisphere
- Couldn't even make the semi's of their own world cup
This is not a team that should scare, intimidate or even impress anyone. I know where my money will be on in 2027, and it definitely won't be on them.
They toured to Australia with their C team and nearly won the series, and won the series in Argentina this year with a pool of unexperienced players. And winning away in Dublin is much harder nowadays than winning in NZ (ask the Boks, didn't win there in more than 10 years, while Argentina won twice in NZ recently). People talk as if touring in England or Ireland was easy. France inflicted England's biggest defeat at Twickenham ever. They might not win in 2027 as so many team have what it takes to win it, but people can't discard them. They should have win it in 2011 without a dodgy ref, with a much weaker side, on NZ soil.
But you are right about experience, their team was really young in 2023, and 4 years later they will be much better and hardened.
And looking forward, Top14 is the only league actually making money, while Welsh, English, Australian and NZ club/provinces are slowly dying. Australia used to be a rugby powerhouse, look at them now. Look at Wales now... If NZ do not fix their rugby domestic league, they will slowly but surely collapse. It happened to France in the 2010, their domestic league was broken and as a result so was the national team.
Their true weakness might still be the Top14 though, as players have to play 26 games + champions cup + Top14 finals, with most of the best clubs in the world (France won 7/8 of the last Champions/Challenge cup trophies). In contrast, Super rugby is 14 games a year per team (that's more than 3 month less of rugby, allowing players to rest). URC is 18 games per team + Champions Cup, that's 2 month less of competition. Add to that the fact that only Top 14 has relegation, meaning that lower ranked teams actually play every game as if it was the last, making every game much harder to handle for the body. It's much harder for a French Player to stay fit passed 30, compared to SH players playing in Japan or Super Rugby. But if SH rugby doesn't fix their domestic league, they will most likely collapse
Gosh, you’re so full of anger and frustration… 😅
@08padam I'm not saying France doesn't have the talent; they absolutely do.
You touched on the Top 14 and how good a league it is; absolutely it is, but it is also the reason why under this system, France will not be as good a test team as they can be.
There is a world of a difference between a 30 minute flight to London to play in Twickenham and actually flying for 14 hours to get to Sydney, dealing with jetlag, dealing with the culture shock and then getting used to the temperature.
This is the very reason why a test as esteemed as the French have underperformed so badly at the major events - sure, they can play their brand of rugby close to home, but for a few weeks away, can they keep it up? The answer this far is no.
Unless the French recognise the value in sending your best players abroad to do the hard grafting and unless these players are used to the conditions of the country they play in, they simply will not be successful in the alien landscape that is Australia.
We don't pay to win like the Boks
@@randomlyfactual1943 France were dominant during RWC 2003. They just came short vs England in the semis due to brilliant tactics set by the Roastbeefs. I believe if they could have found a solution during this match, they would have left Australia with the trophy. There will be even more talent going down under in 2 years, lads who know they can do good again, with a staff that will learn about the 2023 managing mistakes.