Rega Planar 6 My Thoughts
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Rega are back with a new improved mid-range turntable. Hear my thoughts.
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I have bought the P6/Ania combo and it’s wonderful! Thanks for an informed and objective review !
Another satisfied customer! Enjoy your albums. :-)
@@MarkPMus Do I really need the Ania, or will the Exact II cartridge be just fine? I'm looking to buy a Rega P6 turntable, but don't want to spend over a thousand dollars on a cartridge that I might not need.
@@CBT5777 the exact is a lovely cartridge with a vital stylus tip that actually hugs the grooves better than the Ania, plus you won’t need to fork out for a moving coil phono stage. The P6/ exact is a marriage made in heaven.
Old RP6 had a two-piece hub, one section being phenolic like the RP3 with a machined aluminum adapter. The new P6 hub is one piece aluminum with the spindle being cold welded in place, no phenolic. It is similar in design to the RP8/10 hub. Definitely a step up!
The main (central) bearing is similar to the compression-free unit used in Planar 3, but has a system the interlocks it with the bracing that improves rigidity and reduces energy transfer to the tonearm. The RP8 bearing well has no ball-bearing, using a thrust plate instead. RP8 is still superior in that way, but the P6 bearing well is similarly superior to the old RP6.
Mark, thanks for the thoughtful overview. I hope you don't mind my annotations. Really excited for this turntable! $1595 in the US, £999 in the UK, for the table without cart. Here in the states, we'll have the Ania ($2195) and Exact ($1995) as pre-mounted options with customers saving $200 on either combination. Thanks again!
Good and honest video this is! You exactly point out where Gandy fails: hum in many forms. I have a simple RP1-PP here and guess what, it is humming. Exactly the reason the former owner got rid of it. And now in this video you reveil even further up the range models do that as well. Reason for me to stay well away from them. Maybe in the future when they have solved this teething problem.Willem.
It's not exactly a teething problem. Rega have been producing more or less the same TT's since 1973, give or take the odd arm and cartridge or two. I think I mentioned that before I got hum from my RP8 the volume was insanely loud. The source of the hum is more than likely the phono stage, which is why amps have a grounding post. Even Rega's, in case you want to use a non-Rega TT. Careful placement can minimise hum on Rega decks. Try and keep the amp and TT well away from each other, with the captive Rega leads fully stretched.
Further proof that the phono stage is the issue comes from my new Rega Ania Moving Coil cartridge, which begins the onset of hum at louder levels on the amp due to it being plugged into the MC sockets on my Aris phono stage. A much quieter circuit than the moving magnet's on the same device.
Earth ground at least one piece of you audio equipment. I earth ground my pre amp. Stops 98 percent of it .
Worth mentioning that the RB330 tonearm used replaces the RB303 from the RP3/RP6, and its main improvement was in the strength of the vertical housing and the new zero-play bearings first championed in RP10 with the RB2000 tonearm. Rega reset the bar again with this arm.
It is an entirely new motor, BTW. It is now custom built for Rega, using higher spec internal components than before. Also, they've added a new machined aluminum pulley, similar that in the RP8/10. Variations on a theme, for sure, but an improvement over RP6 nonetheless.
Both my Planar 3 and RP8 hum, which does in fact get louder as the cartridge moves closer to the spindle. The curious and interesting part of that phenomenon is that it only hums when I am using my Rega Exact cartridge. I changed out the Exact cart. with a Goldring 1042 and the hum is gone completely. My theory ---- The Exact (and all of the Rega MM carts. I think) have some kind of a metal piece under the plastic housing that I believe may be picking up motor noise that is being transferred to the wires connected to the back of the cart. The Goldring cart housing is all plastic and as such doesn't pick up electrical interference, thus; no hum. That's my theory anyway.
crikey, you would think they would eliminate such a design flaw!
Thankfly the hum is only audible in the real world if you have the volume turned up to very high levels. I think I was referring to headphone listening in this video. When I do transfers the volume in my Beyerdynamics is usually set to 0dB, the max limit before distortion. This is so I can gauge what it will sound like on YT, which most people with laptops will listen to full on. Hence the audible levels of hum, especially when the arm is placed at the end of the record, even when the arm isn't actually playing the record. Your metal piece theory sounds credible, but it doesn't explain the increase towards the centre spindle. It may have more to do with proximity to the centre spindle and the metal subplatter on the RP8. I used to get hum on my 1042 (with Creek OBH-15 phono stage) when I increased the volume. Moving the phono stage around increased or decreased it, depending on where I put it. Grounding issues, perchance, Rega?
The increase in hum towards the centre spindle I believe is probably due to the increase in proximity to the motor as the arm tracks the record to the centre spindle. The location of the motor in Rega TTs is on the opposite side of the spindle from the tone arm. (Through the RP8 and maybe even further up the hierarchy to the RP10, I don't know for sure. But at least up through the RP8s) As the cart moves closer and closer to the spindle it also moves closer and closer to the motor. The hum increases due to the increase in proximity of the cart to the electromagnetic field generated by the motor. The motor undoubtedly creates an electromagnetic field. It probably drops off in intensity quickly as the distance from it increases. Thus the increase in hum as the cart reaches the spindle since the spindle is closer to the motor. The metal sub platter could also be a factor, but the metal sub platter is probably just a conduit that transfers the electromagnetic field from the motor to the cart. I used to have an OBH15 too. It did not cause any hum though. I can imagine that if were next to the TT motor it could cause hum just like moving the cart could. I must reiterate that I believe the metal piece on the Rega carts plays a role in the hum issue as it is metal and apt to pick up electromagnetic fields and transfer the electromagnetic fields to the wires connected to the back of the cart. In my system an all plastic cart doesn't does not create the hum that a cart with the plastic piece does.. If you were using a 1042 which has an all plastic housing with the creek OBH15 and you heard hum, I would suspect the OBH15's proximity to the motor or maybe its proximity to some other piece of electrical gear in your system as the cause of the hum before suspecting the 1042 of causing anything. Just my theory though.
Considerable changes in the Neo PSU. It's based on the RP10 PSU, using the same crystal oscillator and DSP-based motor control system, so, in fact nothing like the TT-PSU internally. Wish they'd made a bit more ballyhoo about this, rather big step up. We shall see if it solves the hum issue that the TT-PSU could occasionally have, which seemingly the RP10 PSU never had!
"Grips it like a Bitch" LOL, love it, one of the reasons I love your videos!
The new braces are thicker than before, and are now locked down in a similar fashion to RP8/10, further improving rigidity. It's a small detail, but everything counts :-)
Tell me...if i put a record clamp on my record which has a fair weight, would the Neo PSU speed up the motor to compensate any drag on the motor which may slow it down due to this increased weight stress?
Won't compensate on the fly, but you can adjust to compensate. Wouldn't recommend a heavy record clamp. Rega tables aren't designed to handle the extra weight and its counter to the design philosophy.
David Carr
How do i adjust to compensate as mentioned?
You'll just need to make sure that you have the clamp installed when you take your measurements. There are instructions included with Neo PSU that show you how to adjust the running speed, but fair warning, you need a proper stroboscopic speed tester to do it accurately. Rega has tested many of the mobile app based systems and there are some major drawbacks in accuracy. Rega is developing a test kit as we speak. All that being said, Regas typically run right... and they don't recommend the use of a clamp anyway for a multitude of reasons.
David Carr thanks
When i get P6 I will setup neo psu with clamp on it. Nice one.
You will struggle to avoid noise from a turntable when you wind volume up to the max, tis just the nature of the beast
Yeah, but the hum comes in on the MM phono stage at nearly very loud o'clock, and by moving the phono stage around it's possible to minimise it. The MC phono stage is much less hummy, but if only Rega would provide a grounding nut on their turntables it could be reduced.
Like Yoù I`ve never owned a moving coil cartridge, I`m surprised to hear its quieter than a MM stage.
It is odd that they don't ground the platter shaft/bearing, I`m still trying to find more info on the Planar 1`s bias system - will it set itself automatically to the desired tracking weight or is it indeed fixed meaning only Rega cartridges can be used tracking at 1.8 (I think)
Rega carts track at 1.75 and weigh 6g. Will have to look up the weight of the carbon though. Goldrings are quite close to the Regas in weight and size so probably an Electra would match it quite well. It's just over 5g with fittings.
I am really surprised about this as well. So sad that the hum on my Rp6 (not Planar 6) is overbearing. No problems on my Rp3. It’s totally the power supply unit. Ridiculous
great product!!!
Hello Mark, you think the old RP6 will be good enough for the Ania? I have groovetracer subplatter on it :)
Of course it will, it's the tonearm that matters! :)
MarkPMus how do I remove the rega 250 from Manticore Mantra turntable
You'll need to consult a Rega dealer - or someone more knowledgeable than me.
Have you ever tried your RP8 in the skeletal form with the outer plinth removed ? If so did you observe any difference in the sound
The outer plinth is completely de-coupled, save for the 3 elastic devices which locate it around the feet of the inner plinth. Its main purpose is to de-couple the dust cover, which can amplify the affects of the motor vibration on a typical plinth. The design of the RP8 / 10 is such that no vibration should reach the dust cover, and any that does is removed by the elastic devices, so there should be no difference in sound regardless of whether the outer plinth is used, and that was my experience during brief ownership of an RP10. The difference a dust cover makes to the sound of a typical turntable is negligible anyway and on some turntables such as my Technics 1200 there is zero difference. I doubt anyone could discern the difference in a blind test.
No, I don't like the skeletal shape! I'm a traditionalist - record player is a rectangular plinth with a round turntable!
Ashley Cox thanks Ashley, it's rare that I have seen the RP8 in use in skeletal mode, whether it be at a showroom or online. I normally see the turntable operating with plinth complete but with lid removed. The manufacturing costs for producing the RP8 plinth must surely be factored into the overall cost of the turntable. Just wondering in hindsight if they regret making a one piece plinth instead of skeletal using the saved costs to enhance other areas of the turntable.
You make a good point there, Sam, and I wonder if future incarnations will do just as you suggest.
Hi Mark
Always interested in your stuff as I too am as big a Rega fan (Elicit-R/Saturn-R/RX3/Duet/Couple etc) but with Linn accurate level LP12 front end, but don't think you can realistically 'review' the new Planar 6 without actually hearing it. The listed specifications cannot predict the Sound.
I was just giving my thoughts. Not a review as such.
MarkPMus
ok fair enough!
I'd like to hear these upper end Regas (the Planar 6, Your RP8, and the 10) to see if they would satisfy a mid spec Linn user
surely when all these variants come and go through the years, with the tweaks that are possible with mats, belts etc etc - Rega's NPD strategy is akin to when Tetley thought that round teabags were a big innovation?!
Would you say this is wasted going through the BrioR?
Possibly. It depends if you like the sound they make, but I'd say an Elex-R would be a more appropriate partner.
Dammit. I'll stick to my original plan of P3-BrioR-RS3. Thanks very much!
Dammit. I might have to stick to my original plan of P3-BrioR-RS3. Thanks very much!
@ james Wheatley ... no, not at all ! I have a Dynavector MC cartridge running with a P6 and a Brio ... sounds absolutely sublime ! ... yes, the Elex R does offer a bit more ... but, hay ho !
33.6 rpm doesnt matter ? I can hear 33.4 ! Thats awful quite honestly
yeah that's almost 1 percent that's huge
You can fine adjust the speed with the NeoPSU to whatever you want.
jaz9706 ... you can hear the difference between 33.3 and 33.4 !!! hahaha ... yes, of course you can (NOT) ... ( 101 on things that have never happened)
BTW ... I am a classically trained, pitch perfect musician ... so do not even bother responding with any further deluded nonsense ! ( please desist from making such stupid comments )