Jackson's line of questioning regarding the basketball search was simply a string of things that her phone showed: Got home after 2am - accurate. Climbed a flight of stairs - accurate. Googled something about basketball - accurate. His implication is that if all of the other information on her phone logs is accurate, it's highly unlikely that the search & delete of "hos long to die in the cold" would be INaccurate. I hope the jury picked up on his strategy.
not to mention her verifying that the report saying she climbed a set of stairs was accurate will make the jury more likely to believe the step data when it comes in for John's device.
Agree. And to show she was googling at that time. Baseketball search was correct but the other “is not reality”. Very interested in hearing from the experts.
of all of the data that was extracted, it’s truly astonishing that the ONLY things that were inaccurate were the 2:27 google search and the 6 missing calls
Yes. Also Jackson got her admit she logged into the apple Safari browser and using the Face ID of her cell phone in order to bind her with that cell phone as tight as possible.
As a trial lawyer since ‘93 (aka, old man), it’s great the public is seeing through these trials (Depp Herd, etc) the ENORMOUS difference a good attorney makes. AJ is putting on a masterclass in trial performance and strategy on a once-in-a-career set of facts Hollywood would trash as far fetched. I can tell you he is outstanding and a pleasure to watch, and Yanetti’s the tough Boston flavor to offset AJ’s riveting questions, when in reality, Lally is more the norm, sadly. The decisions when to attack and when to relent and not cross were calculated to match the theme: KR was framed from the start. Proctor interviewed in Feb 2022 the Aruba Sisters on motive for Karen to murder John rather than interview scores of others with actual relevant information. I mean it’s quite the blockbuster motive to murder your boyfriend via Lexus one month later when in Aruba John got drunk, Karen was pissed, didn’t know it was his “little sis”, they said F U to each other and Karen apologized, offered to pay for the room and said she was wrong. Right up there with $2M insurance policies and Chris Watts’ age-old paramour motive. THAT nothing burger in Aruba is the state’s motive for murder by SUV? This is like the movie Walking Tall (my age again) only in Canton. In three decades, I’m hard pressed to think of a witness so thoroughly skewered, grilled, and turned on a spit as the temperature slowly increased on Jen of the Macabre family, removing her crispy after the Hos long to die finale. AJ’s team then entombed her by the contrast of omission, not crossing KR OR the two Aruba sisters, OTHER than to accentuate Proctor’s laser focus on KR to protect the Macabre and B Alert families. Wisely, AJ Team KR is only crossing hard the conspirators and accentuating that beautifully. What they are doing, as part of the craft of trial with these awesome facts, is mesmerizing.
This was great!! And not only that but they want everyone to buy that Karen struck John in front of cop's house, with multiple other law enforcement inside, and the deputy chief of police living across the street. Not to mention the possibility of ring cameras...insanity! There's so much that points away from Karen and directly to Albert's/McCabe that will all come out when defense presents their case. Have you spotted the FBI agent/agents who have been in the courtroom daily? 👀
I didn’t believe a conspiracy was actually behind this well known and beloved man’s tragic demise: J.O. = beaten and left to freeze to death until witnessing this bizarre community take the stand, one by one, the last week. To see friend’s so easily and stubbornly denounce one another, and deny their relationships and/or connections, without so much as batting an eye, is flat out disturbing!!
same here! came into this blind so i had no idea what to expect and was honestly just thinking "well, if the case got this far (to trial) maybe karen is guilty" but now im more leaning towards a third party. not karen, maybe the alberts or even maybe someone else! the investigation was so botched i have literally no idea what happened at all
I agree. No conspiracy. Just a good defense. No more. Sadness if any of us lost a loved one. Having to have to try to avail an answer … when it is all…about legalese.
Regardless of Karen Read's innocence or guilt, there should be an internal investigation on Canton PD. The way this case was handled was absolutely careless and sloppy
New England is so small, that I literally ran into someone from Canton today that told me that a majority of people are on Karen's side and that the town meetings are WILD.
I watched a few as well. When some woman was talking about colin albert: went to jail for vehicular homicide while intoxicated. He is unable to drive forever, i believe she said. Then they put him on the transportation committee or something!? My jaw dropped, just ridiculous. It seems the townsfolk really want these toxic people out of town.
....Because the feds are investigating the investigators and the prosecutors. The prosecution and judge are actually defending their own Witnesses against the Defense's real case against them....third party murder/cover-up.
there's more evidence of nefarious activity with the McCabes and Alberts than there is of Karen Read. Karen wasn't the one that denied phone calls, made repeated "butt dials", deleted texts/calls, destroyed her phone, had incriminating google searches, told others what to say happened, hid details, lied about timelines, etc
Jen McCabe bringing up the outside harassment to me just tells the jury the general public already believes in misdeeds by this family. Bad for the prosecution, IMO.
As a juror, that’s exactly what I’d be thinking….why is the community going THAT far to harass a witness if there isn’t something there? Something I’m not privy to? It wouldn’t make me find KR guilty or not, but it would raise questions for me 💯
that is a good point- the last thing you want to tell jurors is that a lot of people think you are responsible and call your family "murderors" etc... It would make me question why as well. And when she can't answer any questions or has to see a report every time (which can be ok) but asking for something you just saw gets old-makes you look paranoid and suspicious. I also hate that people go around and do those things to others, there are better ways to approach people and ask questions too. But she DID NOT WANT TO SAY THE WORDS "how long to die in the cold" .....guilt? or no? I guess we'll see. But I dont see any evidence presented yet that says KR did it and how.
I haven't seen that in her testimony. I see Alan Jackson as a wolf: greedy, vicious, cares about winning more than truth, exploiting these families by utilizing and even fueling the falsities and mob justice created by TBoy, who is himself up to no good. I see a mama bear who is exhausted, innocent, and fighting back against 18 months of false accusations and extreme harassment aimed towards her and her family. Prosecution is far from proving their case, for sure, but to manufacture reasonable doubt by attacking these people is unconscionable.
OK Let's see here... Breakdown 1. The Alberts have a dozen cops, medical personnel and a dead cop on their lawn and don't come outside? 2. The Alberts rip up there basement floor. 3. The Alberts get rid of their dog. 4. The Alberts sell their house. 5. Collin is seen with his knuckles mangled with cuts 6. 8+ people come in and out of the house and no one sees a dead body in the front yard. 7. Someone texts in the group chat (Make sure you tell them he (John) never came in house) 8. Jen Google searches and deletes a text at 2:27 am (Hos long does to take to die in the cold). 9. Jen caught lying a dozen times on the stand and she is the damning witness against Karen? What evidence do they have against Karen? Everyone saw her dropping off John? And Jen the liars testimony? There is more evidence against this family then there is against anything I have seen against Karen.
I agree on the harassment being next level. But if these people haven’t cracked yet, it’s not gonna happen. They had 2 years to get their lies aligned.
Yeah same! I think she was repeating something someone else said? But yikes it makes you think if they’d say that about KR they’d probably throw her under the bus to save their own butts!
Yep purely said out of jealousy and mean girl stuff and that is why it’s so easy for them to target KR and try to throw her out like a bag of trash. She is disposable to them and so was John. This also speaks to the fact that they were trying to upset Karen and confuse her. It’s so cruel.
@@MoeS-db1kq My sentiments exactly, even though Jenn rubbed elbows with Karen before leaving the Waterfall, telling her to come with her. Yet, Karen is also known to have discouraged John from going in as she did not feel either of them were really welcome there. The longer I watch this, my guess is that some of John's friend's saw better options for him than Karen. I say this knowing that years ago I lived through that type of crassness from similar personalities when I started dating my husband.
I live in the town over. This is a HOT topic around here and I haven’t met one person yet that is on board with the prosecution. People are very passionate about it to the point where canton residents were in the town hall meetings demanding answers. I have a feeling we will never know what happened to John. ** the harassment sounds brutal. But I have to ask myself WHYYYYY is everyone up in arms?!
This is so great to hear from a perspective of someone that lives nearby because I live in Los Angeles and I'm absolutely horrified with this case and the prosecution. I really hope the people of Canton are not either bought or intimidated by the prosecution's witnesses who I believe are complicit in the cover-up and killed John O'Keefe
Oh so you are saying people in Canton are actually demanding answers okay good. The reason why people are up in arms is I mean look at the evidence. All of the evidence literally exonerates Karen and points to the Alberts and mccabe's. Why they were not charged is astounding and beyond comprehension
Lank and Proctor have big problems now. "CYA" is what happens when police officers are related by blood or marriage to half the town's population. I don't wish harassment on anyone, and KR isn't personally responsible for the choices and actions of others, but I've heard enough about some of the players in this story to believe that Canton residents know the dirt and understand full well what's really going on.
I also live a town over. The truth is already out. John got beat up and attacked by the dog. When he tried to get up he started puking and convulsing. He fell back and hit his head on a weight bench. Instead of calling and ambulance they left him to die. It would take one person to testify and he won't. He scared for his life. Hopefully the Feds will take care of these scums.
If I were a juror, I would’ve been annoyed with Jen. This trial is taking so long, they had to have been thinking “Shut up and just answer the question!”
I do not understand her claim that she doesn't remember her Google search but claims that it exists all over social media, isn't that a reminder to her then? It is a waste of time.
When Jen kept saying she didn’t do this or didn’t know how to do that, I was just waiting for Jackson to ask her “Remind us what your husband does for a living.” But… he didn’t. :/
@@kah89to be honest, I was an IT consultant but my husband is decades behind the times in using technology. Just because a spouse knows something doesn’t mean the other does.
He owns an IT staffing firm. This on no level whatsoever, makes him an expert in anything having to do with Technology. He may very well know things, but there is no evidence of "expertise". There are literally 10's of millions of people working in IT who know nothing or close to nothing. An expert here would know the deleted calls/messages would still be found.
I mean it’s harsh but that just seems to be their thoughts on John and Karen’s relationship and clear bias against Karen and it’s not even that damning. I expected something so much worse and horrifying. I’ve heard worse from an ex’s mother about why he was with me and it was still categorically untrue just her own perceived opinion. Seriously though who in this friend group wanted John but he chose Karen? Someone is butt hurt and they’re all butt hurt for her too because he snubbed an insider.
I don't even think Kerry Roberts even said that. I believe that was always the thought of this vitriolic woman about Karen and she just waited to say this public to try and hurt KR. Her whole testimony backfired spectacularly.
The fact that the there was a library video cam next to the house and has a couple minutes missing around the time he’s thought to have been hit makes me think there is huge reason why the town thinks it was a cover up. If that’s the fact brought forth by the FEDS investigation discredits all these ppl at this home.
It IS a fact!! The footage from the security camera at the library shows EVERYTHING that night and morning EXCEPT the 2 minutes that Karen drove by it after she dropped John off at the Albert's. The same footage that would show that her taillight was completely intact when she left there, therefore proving she did NOT hit him! Aiden Kearney (aka Turtleboy) is just one of many who have videos regarding this. Two minutes missing out of a 24 hour loop. 🤔🤔🤔
Wow, after day 17 we hear of missing footage of Sally port when Karen's car comes in. I hope they bring in this missing library footage... Wasn't there a neighbor's ring camera too that didn't have footage that night or specific time? And it was some cops house? Might have been the same house they borrowed solo cups from
I live about 25 minutes from Canton. Everyone is talking about this case and I haven’t met 1 person that think KR is guilty. Everyone believes it is a cover up.
That's honestly the biggest thing for me to overcome. If he was hit and fell where he sadly passed then 3 pinta of blood would be all over the saturated snow. His shoe and coat etc would also be there yet they were never found. As all of that is missing and the injuries don't add up - especially as I was mauled on my arm by a mastiff and my wounds were almost fully identical as they don't leave puncture marks but leave tears and gashes instead.....so due to all of that u cannot accept he was hit by car. I could even be swayed that an animal had chewed on his arm during the night but if there was 0 animal dna...thar rules that out either way the blood and missing shoe etc are my main hold out and I've not researched before I'm just an online juror like many of you so only go by the evidence in this trial but the lack of blood and missing shoe...I just can't get around
@@Resmith18SRI don’t know. Seems like it came from the FBI investigation I thought I heard. Which means an FBI expert has at least enough suspicion of that search being authentically at 2:30z The fact that they OK’d her deleting text messages prior to turning over her phone makes me question her cell data. I have never heard of any law enforcement endorsing destructing of any digital data before they do a forensic analysis.
@@Resmith18SRright. even the federal investigation states and shows that search did actually occur at 227am. that single fact is everything that is needed. they are angry they are being harassed because everyone has found out the truth about how actual corrupt they are.
Peter, I hate that people are throwing shade at you. You are the most level headed non-biased channel/ person I have watched! You are doing an amazing job! Keep up the great work!
He admits that he has not had time to watch the whole trial. He thinks Kerry is entirely credible, yet doesn’t think that that Kerry meeting in a CAR, with the lead investigator’s wife “ (she says) for nearly an HOUR, is suspicious.
I think Peter strives to be unbiased AND to play Devil’s advocate when public opinion is leaning one way. It can be frustrating but my guess is he wants us to remember there are two sides to every story.
Hallo...he only comments and propagates the defence, adds one of two words in for the Crown to make himself look unbiased .....I stopped watching him bc he is so biased
@@lle6137 Peter is the only channel that I have found that is not biased. He calls it like it is whether you agree or disagree with him. I am sorry you feel this way but I respectfully disagree. I think he is trying to teach us all how to look at it from both sides. If there were less issues with how they investigated this murder, he might have a reason to say more positive things about the prosecution, but you can’t honestly sit here and tell me they did a good job and did not botch this entire investigation.
I do think she came off as a hateful person that is willing to do absolutely anything to put KR behind bars. I think the Judge absolutely should have admonished the witness.
@@ImaHappyGmaI get that vibe a bit too. It could be all the phone deleting stuff is to hide something else unrelated to the case. I do believe the McAberts are hiding something I'm just not 100% sure the murder of JO by one of the family
It’s anger. She tried to be a good friend to Karen to help find John, and Karen thanks her by blaming Jen and her entire extended family for killing him and then conspiring to cover it up. Nice friend.
The judge should be telling her to keep it to the answers to the questions and to keep the comments out…. The Judge did an awful job as usual with this witness
The fact that she wouldn’t even confirm a single thing for the defence…even something she had clearly said clearly and without hesitation on direct is maddening. Essentially it feels as if she doesn’t want to be questioned.
Agree 100%. Focus on the victim and the accused. The rest is a distraction. I can’t wait to get this witness off the stand so I never have to hear her again.
When I was in court, the judge would NOT allow a word of explanation. Not one word, much less argue back. Judge is not doing one thing about the sassing back, questioning the questioner,etc.
You're not going to get 3 skull fractures from landing on a lawn full of snow after getting hit by a car. Explain that one. A long open gash in the back of his head? Yeah. That didn't come from a fall on the lawn
As an independent witness, this is not looking good for Judge Canonne 👀 she absolutely is showing bias when it comes to who she favours in the trial......🫣
There was a question asked during this live “did an EMT corroborate ‘I hit him, I hit him, I hit him”. Peter, you’re correct that an EMT corroborated hearing Karen say that. However, the only first responder on scene that morning who corroborated hearing Karen say that was Katie McLaughlin. In case anyone forgot who she is, she’s the EMT who lied on the stand as to how well she knew Caitlin Albert. So 2 people have said Karen said ‘I hit him I hit him I hit him’, but those 2 people are both proven liars under oath!!
Exactly. Even the male EMT had to admit he didn't hear her say it. And even jen needs to admit she never heard Karen say this. It was a question, not a statement. These people run with a circle of policemen, firemen, emts... they are like a circle of "friends". They hear something, and then they repeat it, even if it's wrong. They are NOT unbiased people. Maybe not on purpose, but they are too close to be objective. This WHOLE case should have been investigated by INDEPENDENT detectives, not THIS TOWN.
Oh, so the EMTs are framing Karen for murder too. Got it. Funny how Karen Read will never sue anyone for what she and her lawyers allege to be a conspiracy to frame her for murder. That's because Karen Read knows she did it.
I never heard about this case until the trial started. I am in Canada, I feel Karen so far in evidence is an outsider to this group. So she is a scape goat. I also think some of these women come across as mean girls. I think this was an accident
The google search she made before Johns body was found sealed the deal for me. There is no plausible reason for the search OR for deleting it other than a conspiracy.
I'm all in to see how they try to explain this away. The moment i heard that i thought Busted! And this witness, the googler, is nasty enough to do it.
Yep. Best part was that apparently all of the other Celebrite data is correct EXCEPT the one incriminating Google search 🤔. So it only "glitched" on that? And that search was also just coincidentally deleted? How serendipitous lol
Absolutely agree. And then to delete info from her phone. Several of them deleting information or getting new phones. Too suspicious to me. Someone, her friend she loved is dead, but they’ve had a horrible two years of living and being harassed. 😮😢😢😢
Yes she has! Thank you for saying it. This will die down and JM will get on with her life, but KR's life is forever altered no matter the trial outcome.
The McCabes and Albert's are truly inhuman. The only time they can muster and real emotion is when they're talking about THEIR harrassment their suffering. But they can't muster a genuine emotion while talking about it, and I quote, "the guy." They are so disingenuous it is abhorrent
Does anyone else think it’s a strange when the judge stops the defense and asks the prosecuting attorney, do you want to object? I feel like she’s micromanaging this case.
She thinks she can affect the outcome of the case. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s part of the corruption. She has a huge conflict of interest but refused to recuse herself.
The totality of her rulings and actions both during this trash heep of a trial as well as pretrial, a logical person can conclude that she is biased towards both Karen Read as well as the defense team, especially Allen Jackson. She has done her best to hinder the defense. During pretrial this judge allowed the CW to hold basic discovery from the defense for over a year. They had to beg the court to compel Lally to give the defense access to the car, officer O'Keefes clothing, taillight pieces for over a year. Lally lied over and over about the lab taking too long and he's trying to get things expedited but when the defense obtained communication logs from the lab they had paused testing because the common wealth refused to answer multiple emails and phone calls from the lab. They also didn't even send the evidence to the lab for over a year as well. She also dennied access to Jenn McCabe' s cell data and a higher court over turned it. There are heaps of other examples as well. For example most judges would exclude evidence with no supporting chain of custody or Metadata. but she allowed screen shots and evidence collected in solo cups with no custody logs. She labled offer Paul an expert then grilled all of the defense experts and limited their testimony dispite them being ridiculously qualified. A fair and impartial judge would never let this ridiculous case to go to trial.
IMO There was a huge difference between Jen and Carrie. Carrie seemed honest, genuine, straight forward with no agenda. Jen on the other hand looked like she had an agenda and Karen was always an outsider in her group. I don’t understand why that whole group got pissed by how frantic Karen was?
I was so shocked at how everyone was mad at Karen for freaking out as well! Carrie came off as sympathetic and understood she was in shock. I'm sure it was annoying when you are trying to figure out what's going on, but have a little compassion
I care about them being harassed. A witness should not be harassed. The way that Karen Read supporters have been harassing the witnesses in this case is disgusting
I can’t imagine what Brian O’Keefes family must be thinking at this point? Unless they are just so fooled by the Blue line. Sadly the blue Line that has failed their son and family.
@@sierramcclary2897but harassing an innocent woman is okay? Both sides are guilty af w/this harassment bs. Karen lost her entire life with the lies told by “the circle” (Jen’s words for the tight circle). Officer John O’Keefe lost his life: playing the victim during a murder trial is tasteless af. She ain’t dead-she still has her life. Jen McCabe losing a pissing match with no one who is on trial in this case is irrelevant and no one cares or should care about the harassment when we are talking about a murder trial.
@@sierramcclary2897what about kr being charged by this so called Police Department. so far no evidence, what do you think about KR????atleast they aren't Spending money for a Defense, yet!!
Rewatch crew. Could it be possible that these cops thought John O. was part of an investigation against them? They perhaps were going to teach him a lesson, and it got out of hand? The whole group would be invested.
⚖️LYK is the most unbiased law channel I’ve watched. Thank you Peter for teaching/leading by example. You’re the best. Blessings to you and you family. 🙏🏼
Or that Jen planted that seed in Karen's head first, a.k.a. asking Karen something like "Do you want me to find out how long it takes to die in the cold?" As Kerry testified, Jen already planted some other ideas in Karen's head during the search.
Yep I think Carrie’s testimony actually better proves the defense theory. Jen planted the ‘you dropped him off but the guy didn’t go in the house’. She also never said Karen was screaming ‘I hit him’. When she talks about how Karen behaved before they got to Fairview she doesn’t mention anything about screaming…she says she was ‘upset’ and ‘worried’ but never says she was screaming her head off . I think Karen only started to get hysterical when they found the body and Jen and Matt need everyone to believe she woke up screaming she killed him even though that makes no sense.
And she didn't say Karen ever said, "I hit him!" Not once, but especially not over and over and over again. Let lying Jen be the witness they take away from today. That was a dumpster fire lol
If KR did drop John off at Fairview, wouldn’t going to the last place you saw him be the most logical place to look? Everyone’s making such a big deal about going there to look. It’s the most obvious place to start, after John’s own home, because he could have gone and slept in a different room if Kr and Jo had gotten into a fight.
@@jagtojakexactly! It makes sense because that's where Karen dropped John off but I find it hilarious that Jen and Carrie both said that Karen said she dropped him off at the waterfall. That's BULLCRAP. Jen said Underoath during one of the 12 times she was under oath prior to this week's testimony that she saw John get out of the SUV in front of 34 Fairview. Hope the jury is hearing these major discrepancies!
Did I hear Keri correct, it wasn't karen who said to go to fairview it was jen. Jen said karen insisted on it. also Keri pointed out different area of cracked taillight.
Yeah, jen made it sound like karen made them go there right away when kerry said jen is the one who brought it up. Man, jen is weaving one tangled web.
It’s amazing how accurate the reports, phone logs, apps that support their “version” of the incident and yet, how inaccurate they are when proof of their “alternative facts” come to light.; including but not limited to deleting calls and messages, monitoring other witnesses’ interviews just to name a few.
Thank you Peter for continuing to discuss this trial in such a balanced and unbiased manner. 💗 I am surprised that we are weeks into this trial and we are still waiting for experts to testify. Thus far, I think that the CW should have presented their witnesses in a much cohesive order. I am still waiting for them to prove what happened to Officer John O’Keefe. I hope everyone is having a wonderful week. 💞
Well, it's not Karen's fault that JEN gets harassed and shouldn't be held against her. I have zero compassion for this "mean girl" and I doubt the jury does. She's been extremely defensive and obviously deceptive. Also, the Aruba trip had no place in this trial. But I'm glad the jury got to hear how some of these girls had it out for her.
It’s clear this is how she functions in life. A dominant bully! Acts like she is your friend, only to try and dig up dirt, then goes behind your back to trash you!! Despicable human being!
Imagine this is a cover-up. Karen is fuzzy on the details of the night. Ends up at Jen McCabes' fully trusting her to help her find John. All the while JM is weaving this tangled web. 🤯
Plus, she is an assertive networker, whereas Karen clearly isn't (she didn't even mingle with her boyfriend's friends). As of now, we haven't seen any objective evidence linking Karen to this crime. However, we do have objective evidence (data) showing that Jen made incriminating searches before allegedly finding John's body for the first time and exhibited a lot of suspicious behavior afterward. If this isn't enough to charge her (and it certainly isn't), why is even less (or literally no) evidence enough to charge Karen? Just because she was in a relationship with him? Given the evidence so far, this trial is a farce. It would be a crime if she were convicted purely based on association and previously demonstrated (non-violent) jealousy.
I get the feeling Jen had the hots for JO and tried something in the basement with him which got out of hand when someone walk in.. not everyone was involved.
I don't think it's possible to have a conviction in this case. The Commonwealth can't even establish how John died, how can they claim it was intentional?
@@Resmith18SR There is also video of the tail light being broken after the time of death. And pieces of the tail light was also found on top of the snow where John was found. How does the tail light glass get on top of 4 inches of snow if the accident happened at 12:30am when people saw the car outside the Albert house?
@@Resmith18SR There are no reports of tail light glass on or in Johns body BTW.. Not sure where you got that from? But they used a leaf blower to look for evidence, that spread everything everywhere
Yes and Kerri was much more likable and authentic and truthful and not going on and on like Jen! I think Keri is a victim like the O’Keefe’s of trusting the police and the McCabe’s/Alberts. I think she has been swayed by Jen’s spin
6 Butt dials?? First of all a butt dial happens without you knowing it and the phone can be IN CALL for a long time until you find it and hit the END button. So to say it happened 6 times in one night?? I don't buy it.
I have an iPhone and I know how to delete texts but I can’t figure out how to delete my Google search. I can do it on my laptop but not my phone. But I’m old so …!
I thought Jackson played it well. He got JM to admit all her calls and other searches were accurate But an incriminating one isn’t?? It’s either one or the other sweetheart. You can’t pick and choose!
I’d of loved to hear Peter’s thoughts on her making an accusation against the attorney about how her search reaching SM caused her & the family’s harassment! Isn’t it a crime itself to make accusations against him that are on untrue? Character assassination? Defamation? I guess I could maybe understand a defendant feeling that way on the stand & possibly saying it to a prosecutor during their testimony but this is a WITNESS! I’ve been watching several attorneys recaps to get different perspectives about this case & several said she’s playing with fire if caught lying or giving false testimony on the stand & could face serious charges since the feds are involved & watching. These comments were made prior to today’s testimony. I can’t wait to see what they say about her going after Jackson & is completely disrespectful of the family of the victim. This trial is about JO not JM! They also said a witness who does a good job on the stand is someone who keeps their composure & doesn’t change their tone, demeanor or inflection during testimony for either side. As a witness she deserves an F!
@susanwhalls6230 her whole cross was literally full of impeachment. Her own testimony doesn't match her own testimony. Even on the stand her story evolved in front of our eyes. To act like there was nothing is just disingenuous. "I did not delete any calls"... proof calls were deleted. Just one example for ya.
@@susanwhalls6230 She hasn't been "caught" technically, but more SHOWN that she is not being consistent with HARD EVIDENCE. She keeps denying the evidence. One could look at that as being caught lying.
The harassment stuff explains JM anger toward the prosecution. Have you seen the video of Yannetti patting turtle boys butt on the way into court? Tell me you’re part of the harassment without saying it.
@@jagtojakthat part!! Its sad grown adults harassing literal 20 yr old kids! Cmon. This is Occam's Razor & the best Georgia Cappleman quote - "the simplest explanation is usually the truth" Karen did this in a fit of rage and jealousy a tale as old as time. Turtleboy and Karen Read were talking to each other even though she denied it lol but no one pays attention to that lie right ?? Turtleboy has also been harassing JO's brother. Which tells you everything. Paul even knew KR did it before the cops told him anything.
Harassment is never ok, but watching this as a juror, I don't think it helps the Prosecution. A man is dead and a woman is on trial for murder. While I absolutely hate that this is happening, its not the most important thing happening... And bringing it up multiple times minimizes it and make it look as though they are more concerned about themselves than discovering the truth of what happened to John. Its not a likable trait.
@@calmingwavesxhave you listened to any of the evidence?? All of the evidence literally exonerates Karen and your point is ridiculous because very few people agree with you. The vast majority see what's going on here. How long does it take to die in the cold at 2:37 a.m. and so so so so so so much more. Bye-bye
@@jagtojakJen McCabe's anger can easily explained by the fact that she knows she should be a suspect instead of a witness and again, how long does it take to die in the cold searched at 2:27 a.m. confirmed by forensic analysis of her phone by the fbi. Also, FBI reconstruction is found his injuries were not consistent with being hit by a several thousand pound suv. His injuries are consistent with being pummeled in the face by men and having a dog attack his arm and this will be proven in court. Goodbye
How did John get a massive gash on the back of the head....lose 3 pints of blood that was never located....land face up.....have no injuries to his torso or legs....and his phone ended up just under his shoulder?
Jen McCabe is hostile. Victim playing is exactly what she is doing. Now John is a dear friend whom she loved. On her 911 call he was just a man she found in the snow. Everything she gets called out on is someone else’s fault or misdoing. It’s pathetic! Lock her up!
Right? How do we know it wasn’t a reply to Jen McCabe telling Karen she hit him or must’ve hit him, but Jen self-servingly left that context out? That seems far more plausible to me. Jen’s exhibited no restraint or reluctance in accusing others of doing things, why wouldn’t she do the same here?
Jen McCabe went under oath 12 times prior to this week and never once did she say Karen said I hit him I hit him I hit him. Not once! What she did say was Karen asked did I hit him. To FALSELY help the prosecution today, she's now saying that Karen said I hit him.
@@kerri-lynbryant293no she didn't because the entire time Jen said she saw the SUV and John get out of it did John end up on the lawn! Underoath before this week Jen told the grand jury that she saw John get out of Karen's SUV in front of 34 Fairview. Jen said she could see the flagpole, the mailbox, and the fire hydrant, but she couldn't see the Big Blob of John on the front lawn between them! She doesn't want to say that John's body wasn't there because that means he was beat unconscious inside the house and later on was brought out to the front lawn to freeze to death. There is not one injury on John's body that indicates he was hit by a vehicle because if he had been hit by a car at 24 miles an hour, he would have internal injuries, and damaged possibly breakage to his hips and legs because the bumper is the first thing to hit a body. The only injuries he has are to his head and right arm that has dog tear marks on it.
I have attended many pedestrian accidents and John did not have the injuries of being hit by a motor vehicle. Firstly he would have leg/ hip injuries, and he would not have had an open gash to the back of his head hitting snow, nor would he have had a swollen right eye. if his head had hit the vehicle then the vehicle would have shown damage ..A dog expert gave testimony on You Tube that the marks on Johns right arm were made by a German Shepherd. They never leave bite marks, they leave tears like cuts because as they grab an arm the person will obviously pull his arm away and the teeth will cut downwards. There are never puncture wounds with dog bites so it seems pretty obvious that John was not hit by Karen Reid’s car, he was beaten up in that house, the dog obviously went in attack mode because she was protecting her owners and possibly the fight went to the basement where John fell back and hit his head. A big cover up. Why did investigators not search the house? Why did they not go in to see if Johns lost shoe was in the house. They would have seen the alleged blood on the basement floor. These people freaked out and dragged John to the lawn. Why would he be lying on his mobile phone? I really hope the truth will be discovered and the individuals who murdered him or who a rurally left him out to die in the cold are held accountable and be punished. It’s a sad sad case and I feel very sorry for Karen Reid. It’s really really horrendous how cops will cover up for bad cops.
The constant “can i see it” eventually led me into thinking she’s having a hard time answering honestly / keeping her story straight. A little refresher here and there is understandable and completely human, but the PERSISTENT need to “check her answers” from previous grand juries was off putting. She simply refused to answer things from memory unless the judge personally requested her to get to the point.
MS is well known to affect cognitive processes including memory. If you think everyone with a bad memory is guilty of a crime, I hope you never get to serve on a jury. Your personal dislike of this woman should not affect your decision making when deliberating guilt or innocence.
If I were on the jury I would see this woman as completely rude, disrespectful and completely uncooperative. I'm Not even looking at "sides" or who she is .. just generally how she acted and spoke was terrible. EDIT: To everyone responding if you actually listened to this video Peter said: please comment below as to whether you as a potential jurrror would feel about this women's testimony. Anywhere in my comment does it say liar? NO .... Come on folks ...
I don’t know how anybody watching this case can walk away from this witness without thinking she has a personal vendetta against the defense and KR… and that alone makes me question what about her testimony is not swayed by her emotions
She might be a bit angry about being accused of murdering someone and covering it up by the defense. Assuming she's innocent, how would you act in that situation, if you didn't do anything, your family is being harassed, and the defense is trying to pin it on you. A guilty person would be more likely to behave herself. She is obviously pissed about this whole ordeal.
Nah Google time stamps a search based on when the page is opened. This is going to be real bad for Karen when the expert comes in and I'm shocked her attorneys didn't look into that before relying on that piece of evidence being true.
@@hollyrochfordif that were true the other searches would say the exact same time not different times. Because according to her testimony it was the same window.
At this point, after all the witness-stand amnesia we have witnessed - no pun intended - I so totally get Mr. Jackson's reaction and I hope the jury sees it the same way.
In pre-trial motions, both the prosecution and defense didn't want it mentioned...Judge Bev insisted it be let in if it came in "organically," which of course the witnesses who took the stand knew weeks before getting on the stand that they could so some of them worked it in.
to be fair, the defense opened that door when they asked Jen why she went to visit Erin Proctor. however, i fail to see how harassment helps the Commonwealth. if I’m a juror, i’m sitting there wondering why so many people are so outraged at the prosecution
I feel worse for the prosecution IMO. When your standard is reasonable doubt…knowing that MANY people have bought in to a coverup story might make you feel better about the idea of the reasonableness of your doubt.
@@jills9373 This Judge would have never let the Defense bring this in..Never..besides the fact there was no proof of anything..other than Fu..even that could be debatable..where are the witnesses from the lobby that could cooberate that even..the sister didnt even bring up what the older sister said what the cause of the problem was..so what does that tell us..other than we got a hint from Mr Yannetti of the likely cause.
I knew nothing of this case before this trial, went into it maybe with the unusual expectation of the state having to prove guilt, and all I've seen so far from the witnesses does not come even close to convincing me that it's even more likely than not that the defendant killed the victim intentionally or even unintentionally
Peter - it doesn't have to be one consistent plan. Honestly, the kids cover for the parents, the LEO's cover for each other, a small group of people know what actually happened. KR is an outsider and an easy mark ESPECIALLY in light of what Karrie overheard
All you really need for a conspiracy is two “smart” conspirators and a group of inept unwitting participants. That pretty much sums up these people. Lol
There is a reason that witness shouldn’t talk before statements and why they shouldn’t be talked to together. They WILL effect each others memories. If a half dozen people talk together and pool their knowledge…they will begin to feel as if they do have independent knowledge of things that are told to them. Like the EMT’s that were in the ambulance thinking they remember the “I hit him” statement. 1 or 2 of the people inserting false narrative can very easily alter the group narrative.
She’s not asking for your sympathy. She is willing to be a witness because a close friend of hers was killed. She believes that Read killed her friend. End of.
@@enigma_-_79 you cared enough to reply to my comment twice 🤷🏻♀️. I have no interest in this awful, abbrassive, lying witness nor any interest in you and your attempts at defending her gross, manipulative conduct. Enjoy your fight!
It’s not about the friggin harrassment…it’s about John O’Keefe. So why go to Proctor’s house and not making an appointment? Did she want a favor? These people are not the victims….the family is.!
I’m baffled that is the face of harsh criticism about her families connection to the lead investigator…her reaction was to strike up a friendship with the lead investigators wife and go to her house.
What is she angry about? She's the one doing all the talking after deleting records from her phone? There has to be a motive for JOs death & from listening to everything presented thus far, it has nothing to do with Karen Read. This is one saga that fits the fact is stranger than fiction adage. A mystery that keeps deepening and it's heartbreaking to know that Officer John O'Keefe and his grieving family will wait a long time for justice. May he RIEP 🙏🏼😇🌺
I can’t wait for that, this woman it’s evil. Her mouth yelling and making fun of Karen for her pain it’s beyond evil. I never see a witness to lie like this person.
It was damning when she wouldn’t answer the question about how long it takes to die. If she had nothing to hide she would have answered it immediately and moved on. Which would make me not believe anything else she has to say. I couldn’t believe they didn’t request to make her a Hostile witness with all of her bantering back and forth over it!
In a courtroom there are different rules for direct and cross examination. For instance in cross exam, you are allowed to ask leading questions, but on direct you generally cannot. If you call a witness who is resistant of testifying, or if the witness is sympathetic to the other side, you can ask the judge for permission to treat your witness as a hostile witness. If granted, then you can treat your direct examination like it was a cross examination. This witness in the video is being cross-examined, so she is automatically considered a "hostile witness". The term has nothing to do with the attitude of the witness. It is all about rules of examination.
ICU RN here and I know from experience how OJO died. He suffered head and neck trauma in the house which left him incapacitated but alive and was taken out to yard to die in blizzard. It is horrendous.
Were you also actually there? How would you know that? Just based on his head and neck trauma? And it was just an amazing coincidence that Karen Read dropped him off and admitted she was so drunk she didn't even remember dropping him off at Fairview? And also another amazing coincidence that she knew and ran exactly to the spot where his body was and kept repeating Could I have hit him and I hit him, I hit him? That's a really amazing coincidence.
It’s sooo difficult to imagine JM being an Elementary School Teacher to anyone’s children. She represents herself in a way that’s never “teacher material “ IMO. I say this because my career included the hiring of teaching staff in a School District. She’s not it.
This case is truly hard to believe-but there is so much to LEARN from the proceedings! Hundreds of learning points for upcoming attorneys and the public at large too. I have heard several seasoned attorneys use superlatives on several features of this case! WILD!!!!
Same as it was for amber heard...now people from all over the world saw it ..she can party her way to thinking she did good... literally everyone saw through it
Karen is in the back seat and she's able to see everything much more clearly than the two in the front. So it's no surprise that she was able to see him. She saw the shape of a human.
At first I was thinking Karen overdid it on her choice of lawyers...after watching the pretrial and trial so far i think she made a smart & very necessary decision.
Watching this after the live~ Jen right there created reasonable doubt! The 2:27 AM search said it all!! Shame on her for letting a man die! I pray they do go to jail! I knew nothing about this case until last week~ she made me have reasonable doubt! Even testifying how many times then coming up with She hit him 3 times! DONE!!
Jackson's line of questioning regarding the basketball search was simply a string of things that her phone showed: Got home after 2am - accurate. Climbed a flight of stairs - accurate. Googled something about basketball - accurate. His implication is that if all of the other information on her phone logs is accurate, it's highly unlikely that the search & delete of "hos long to die in the cold" would be INaccurate.
I hope the jury picked up on his strategy.
not to mention her verifying that the report saying she climbed a set of stairs was accurate will make the jury more likely to believe the step data when it comes in for John's device.
Agree. And to show she was googling at that time. Baseketball search was correct but the other “is not reality”.
Very interested in hearing from the experts.
of all of the data that was extracted, it’s truly astonishing that the ONLY things that were inaccurate were the 2:27 google search and the 6 missing calls
Yes. Also Jackson got her admit she logged into the apple Safari browser and using the Face ID of her cell phone in order to bind her with that cell phone as tight as possible.
Everything she dislikes is wrong or someone else’s fault .. EVERYTHING!!
As a trial lawyer since ‘93 (aka, old man), it’s great the public is seeing through these trials (Depp Herd, etc) the ENORMOUS difference a good attorney makes. AJ is putting on a masterclass in trial performance and strategy on a once-in-a-career set of facts Hollywood would trash as far fetched. I can tell you he is outstanding and a pleasure to watch, and Yanetti’s the tough Boston flavor to offset AJ’s riveting questions, when in reality, Lally is more the norm, sadly.
The decisions when to attack and when to relent and not cross were calculated to match the theme: KR was framed from the start. Proctor interviewed in Feb 2022 the Aruba Sisters on motive for Karen to murder John rather than interview scores of others with actual relevant information. I mean it’s quite the blockbuster motive to murder your boyfriend via Lexus one month later when in Aruba John got drunk, Karen was pissed, didn’t know it was his “little sis”, they said F U to each other and Karen apologized, offered to pay for the room and said she was wrong. Right up there with $2M insurance policies and Chris Watts’ age-old paramour motive. THAT nothing burger in Aruba is the state’s motive for murder by SUV? This is like the movie Walking Tall (my age again) only in Canton.
In three decades, I’m hard pressed to think of a witness so thoroughly skewered, grilled, and turned on a spit as the temperature slowly increased on Jen of the Macabre family, removing her crispy after the Hos long to die finale. AJ’s team then entombed her by the contrast of omission, not crossing KR OR the two Aruba sisters, OTHER than to accentuate Proctor’s laser focus on KR to protect the Macabre and B Alert families. Wisely, AJ Team KR is only crossing hard the conspirators and accentuating that beautifully.
What they are doing, as part of the craft of trial with these awesome facts, is mesmerizing.
Very interesting analysis, thank you.
Amazingly well stated, and I agree completely.
👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏wow
That was amazing.
This was great!! And not only that but they want everyone to buy that Karen struck John in front of cop's house, with multiple other law enforcement inside, and the deputy chief of police living across the street. Not to mention the possibility of ring cameras...insanity! There's so much that points away from Karen and directly to Albert's/McCabe that will all come out when defense presents their case. Have you spotted the FBI agent/agents who have been in the courtroom daily? 👀
I didn’t believe a conspiracy was actually behind this well known and beloved man’s tragic demise: J.O. = beaten and left to freeze to death until witnessing this bizarre community take the stand, one by one, the last week. To see friend’s so easily and stubbornly denounce one another, and deny their relationships and/or connections, without so much as batting an eye, is flat out disturbing!!
The “friends” act like the devil’s dozen.
same here! came into this blind so i had no idea what to expect and was honestly just thinking "well, if the case got this far (to trial) maybe karen is guilty" but now im more leaning towards a third party. not karen, maybe the alberts or even maybe someone else! the investigation was so botched i have literally no idea what happened at all
I agree. This group of quote friends are quick to point fingers and cover their butts. IMO
I agree. No conspiracy. Just a good defense. No more. Sadness if any of us lost a loved one. Having to have to try to avail an answer … when it is all…about legalese.
I agree. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. I didn’t really follow up on any information. But this case is so suspicious.
Regardless of Karen Read's innocence or guilt, there should be an internal investigation on Canton PD. The way this case was handled was absolutely careless and sloppy
💯
New England is so small, that I literally ran into someone from Canton today that told me that a majority of people are on Karen's side and that the town meetings are WILD.
I have seen some of the televised town meetings, look on youtube, very intense.
I watched a few as well. When some woman was talking about colin albert: went to jail for vehicular homicide while intoxicated. He is unable to drive forever, i believe she said. Then they put him on the transportation committee or something!? My jaw dropped, just ridiculous. It seems the townsfolk really want these toxic people out of town.
That's Chris Albert, Colin's dad. The meetings are infuriating-especially the police audit ones.
This case is about everybody but Karen Reed.
This. ✅️
Because everybody else is the guilty party! Karen Read is the innocent one. #lockupthealberts #lockupthemccabes
Or John O’Keefe
....Because the feds are investigating the investigators and the prosecutors. The prosecution and judge are actually defending their own Witnesses against the Defense's real case against them....third party murder/cover-up.
there's more evidence of nefarious activity with the McCabes and Alberts than there is of Karen Read. Karen wasn't the one that denied phone calls, made repeated "butt dials", deleted texts/calls, destroyed her phone, had incriminating google searches, told others what to say happened, hid details, lied about timelines, etc
Jen McCabe bringing up the outside harassment to me just tells the jury the general public already believes in misdeeds by this family. Bad for the prosecution, IMO.
As a juror, that’s exactly what I’d be thinking….why is the community going THAT far to harass a witness if there isn’t something there? Something I’m not privy to? It wouldn’t make me find KR guilty or not, but it would raise questions for me 💯
Her playing the victim her husband calling John “that guy” would be enough for me to disregard that family they are gross
Exactly! Colin said on the stand that people were saying that he and his family murdered John. Not a good look in front of the jury! LOL
that is a good point- the last thing you want to tell jurors is that a lot of people think you are responsible and call your family "murderors" etc... It would make me question why as well. And when she can't answer any questions or has to see a report every time (which can be ok) but asking for something you just saw gets old-makes you look paranoid and suspicious. I also hate that people go around and do those things to others, there are better ways to approach people and ask questions too. But she DID NOT WANT TO SAY THE WORDS "how long to die in the cold" .....guilt? or no? I guess we'll see. But I dont see any evidence presented yet that says KR did it and how.
Also, I think Jen pulls that victim garbage every time she's caught in a lie.
Jen McCabe came across as dishonest and overall a disagreeable person. I’m glad Alan Jackson pushed a far as he did with her.
She comes cross as a nasty so & so; petty & critical to safe face.
I haven't seen that in her testimony. I see Alan Jackson as a wolf: greedy, vicious, cares about winning more than truth, exploiting these families by utilizing and even fueling the falsities and mob justice created by TBoy, who is himself up to no good. I see a mama bear who is exhausted, innocent, and fighting back against 18 months of false accusations and extreme harassment aimed towards her and her family. Prosecution is far from proving their case, for sure, but to manufacture reasonable doubt by attacking these people is unconscionable.
Alan Jackson is doing what defense attorneys do. They twist the truth and confuse the jury.
Absolutely!
Me too. I liked Alan doing this. She was grossly evasive about ridiculous things.
OK Let's see here...
Breakdown
1. The Alberts have a dozen cops, medical personnel and a dead cop on their lawn and don't come outside?
2. The Alberts rip up there basement floor.
3. The Alberts get rid of their dog.
4. The Alberts sell their house.
5. Collin is seen with his knuckles mangled with cuts
6. 8+ people come in and out of the house and no one sees a dead body in the front yard.
7. Someone texts in the group chat (Make sure you tell them he (John) never came in house)
8. Jen Google searches and deletes a text at 2:27 am (Hos long does to take to die in the cold).
9. Jen caught lying a dozen times on the stand and she is the damning witness against Karen?
What evidence do they have against Karen? Everyone saw her dropping off John? And Jen the liars testimony?
There is more evidence against this family then there is against anything I have seen against Karen.
Bingo
She is covering for Collin. She deleted texts to .? Daughter? Or to whom?
You forgot the phone Brian Albert got rid of his phone one day before he has to give it ….😊
I agree on the harassment being next level. But if these people haven’t cracked yet, it’s not gonna happen. They had 2 years to get their lies aligned.
Add to it a bunch of deleted text messages, witnesses destroying their phones, butt dials that no one remembers.
I think that link about her being a Babysitter with Benefits paints the witness as a mean girl. She enjoyed saying that.
Yeah same! I think she was repeating something someone else said? But yikes it makes you think if they’d say that about KR they’d probably throw her under the bus to save their own butts!
Yep purely said out of jealousy and mean girl stuff and that is why it’s so easy for them to target KR and try to throw her out like a bag of trash. She is disposable to them and so was John. This also speaks to the fact that they were trying to upset Karen and confuse her. It’s so cruel.
@@MoeS-db1kq My sentiments exactly, even though Jenn rubbed elbows with Karen before leaving the Waterfall, telling her to come with her. Yet, Karen is also known to have discouraged John from going in as she did not feel either of them were really welcome there. The longer I watch this, my guess is that some of John's friend's saw better options for him than Karen. I say this knowing that years ago I lived through that type of crassness from similar personalities when I started dating my husband.
@@MoeS-db1kq KR is a bag of trash though..
Yeah, that's why she said she loved it as she was eavesdropping on Carrie mean-girling Karen
I live in the town over. This is a HOT topic around here and I haven’t met one person yet that is on board with the prosecution. People are very passionate about it to the point where canton residents were in the town hall meetings demanding answers. I have a feeling we will never know what happened to John.
** the harassment sounds brutal. But I have to ask myself WHYYYYY is everyone up in arms?!
This is so great to hear from a perspective of someone that lives nearby because I live in Los Angeles and I'm absolutely horrified with this case and the prosecution. I really hope the people of Canton are not either bought or intimidated by the prosecution's witnesses who I believe are complicit in the cover-up and killed John O'Keefe
Oh so you are saying people in Canton are actually demanding answers okay good. The reason why people are up in arms is I mean look at the evidence. All of the evidence literally exonerates Karen and points to the Alberts and mccabe's. Why they were not charged is astounding and beyond comprehension
Lank and Proctor have big problems now. "CYA" is what happens when police officers are related by blood or marriage to half the town's population. I don't wish harassment on anyone, and KR isn't personally responsible for the choices and actions of others, but I've heard enough about some of the players in this story to believe that Canton residents know the dirt and understand full well what's really going on.
This makes me so sad. He sounds like such a wonderful man. His sad parents and niece and nephew. He will not rest in peace with no resolution.
I also live a town over. The truth is already out. John got beat up and attacked by the dog. When he tried to get up he started puking and convulsing. He fell back and hit his head on a weight bench. Instead of calling and ambulance they left him to die.
It would take one person to testify and he won't. He scared for his life. Hopefully the Feds will take care of these scums.
If I were a juror, I would’ve been annoyed with Jen. This trial is taking so long, they had to have been thinking “Shut up and just answer the question!”
She has to have the control
Imagine being married to her ?
😂😂😂😂😂
@@kristin1227 God I know - or her being your mother/mother-in-law?
I do not understand her claim that she doesn't remember her Google search but claims that it exists all over social media, isn't that a reminder to her then? It is a waste of time.
I think she thought she was the smartest person in the room.
Let's not forget Jenn McCabe's husband is an IT EXPERT!
When Jen kept saying she didn’t do this or didn’t know how to do that, I was just waiting for Jackson to ask her “Remind us what your husband does for a living.” But… he didn’t. :/
@@kah89He can argue that later. Matt’s profession is in evidnece
@@kah89to be honest, I was an IT consultant but my husband is decades behind the times in using technology. Just because a spouse knows something doesn’t mean the other does.
@@tgsul09 Yes, but you could help him if He needed to delete something...
He owns an IT staffing firm. This on no level whatsoever, makes him an expert in anything having to do with Technology. He may very well know things, but there is no evidence of "expertise". There are literally 10's of millions of people working in IT who know nothing or close to nothing. An expert here would know the deleted calls/messages would still be found.
"A babysitter with benefits".Nasty.
How cruel to throw that out there.
A very unlikable woman.
Did you see the smile on her face and the judge said she'd allow it! She was only too happy to spill that.
I mean it’s harsh but that just seems to be their thoughts on John and Karen’s relationship and clear bias against Karen and it’s not even that damning. I expected something so much worse and horrifying. I’ve heard worse from an ex’s mother about why he was with me and it was still categorically untrue just her own perceived opinion. Seriously though who in this friend group wanted John but he chose Karen? Someone is butt hurt and they’re all butt hurt for her too because he snubbed an insider.
Yes and she then made Kerri very unlikeable by repeating that she said it!
This was said merely to be cruel to KR. Such middle school mean girl attitude
I don't even think Kerry Roberts even said that. I believe that was always the thought of this vitriolic woman about Karen and she just waited to say this public to try and hurt KR. Her whole testimony backfired spectacularly.
The fact that the there was a library video cam next to the house and has a couple minutes missing around the time he’s thought to have been hit makes me think there is huge reason why the town thinks it was a cover up. If that’s the fact brought forth by the FEDS investigation discredits all these ppl at this home.
Is this a fact!!! Any answer for why it was missing by authority
It IS a fact!! The footage from the security camera at the library shows EVERYTHING that night and morning EXCEPT the 2 minutes that Karen drove by it after she dropped John off at the Albert's. The same footage that would show that her taillight was completely intact when she left there, therefore proving she did NOT hit him! Aiden Kearney (aka Turtleboy) is just one of many who have videos regarding this. Two minutes missing out of a 24 hour loop. 🤔🤔🤔
Wow, after day 17 we hear of missing footage of Sally port when Karen's car comes in. I hope they bring in this missing library footage... Wasn't there a neighbor's ring camera too that didn't have footage that night or specific time? And it was some cops house? Might have been the same house they borrowed solo cups from
I live about 25 minutes from Canton. Everyone is talking about this case and I haven’t met 1 person that think KR is guilty. Everyone believes it is a cover up.
Exactly. This is my experience as well.
The whole commonwealth knows Cantons reputation for years. This was bound to happen
I work in Canton and live 20 minutes away in Bristol County. Everyone I know thinks KR is guilty..
Do people in that area have caméras at all.
I live in the area. I believe she is guilty and I can't believe how all these people are so fooled.
3 pints of blood lost and no sign of the blood outside! Weird
It cracked the basement foundation.
They drank it
And nobody found his hat, his shoe, or his overcoat!
That's honestly the biggest thing for me to overcome.
If he was hit and fell where he sadly passed then 3 pinta of blood would be all over the saturated snow.
His shoe and coat etc would also be there yet they were never found.
As all of that is missing and the injuries don't add up - especially as I was mauled on my arm by a mastiff and my wounds were almost fully identical as they don't leave puncture marks but leave tears and gashes instead.....so due to all of that u cannot accept he was hit by car.
I could even be swayed that an animal had chewed on his arm during the night but if there was 0 animal dna...thar rules that out either way the blood and missing shoe etc are my main hold out and I've not researched before I'm just an online juror like many of you so only go by the evidence in this trial but the lack of blood and missing shoe...I just can't get around
@@lfc63maybe in the basement floor right where the floor was replaced before the house was sold. “Water damage” ….
She will NEVER BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN AWAY HER GOOGLE SEARCH AT 2:30 am.
An expert will explain it to your little pea brain. You might not comprehend it but you should try.
@@Resmith18SR Hi Jen.
@@Resmith18SRI don’t know. Seems like it came from the FBI investigation I thought I heard. Which means an FBI expert has at least enough suspicion of that search being authentically at 2:30z
The fact that they OK’d her deleting text messages prior to turning over her phone makes me question her cell data. I have never heard of any law enforcement endorsing destructing of any digital data before they do a forensic analysis.
This!
@@Resmith18SRright. even the federal investigation states and shows that search did actually occur at 227am. that single fact is everything that is needed. they are angry they are being harassed because everyone has found out the truth about how actual corrupt they are.
When have you ever known the cops to ever allow anyone to delete anything from their phone before handing it over!
Peter, I hate that people are throwing shade at you. You are the most level headed non-biased channel/ person I have watched! You are doing an amazing job! Keep up the great work!
He admits that he has not had time to watch the whole trial. He thinks Kerry is entirely credible, yet doesn’t think that that Kerry meeting in a CAR, with the lead investigator’s wife “ (she says) for nearly an HOUR, is suspicious.
I think Peter strives to be unbiased AND to play Devil’s advocate when public opinion is leaning one way. It can be frustrating but my guess is he wants us to remember there are two sides to every story.
Hallo...he only comments and propagates the defence, adds one of two words in for the Crown to make himself look unbiased .....I stopped watching him bc he is so biased
@@lle6137 Peter is the only channel that I have found that is not biased. He calls it like it is whether you agree or disagree with him. I am sorry you feel this way but I respectfully disagree. I think he is trying to teach us all how to look at it from both sides. If there were less issues with how they investigated this murder, he might have a reason to say more positive things about the prosecution, but you can’t honestly sit here and tell me they did a good job and did not botch this entire investigation.
I do think she came off as a hateful person that is willing to do absolutely anything to put KR behind bars. I think the Judge absolutely should have admonished the witness.
The judge is on the witnesses side.
Why do I have feeling she’s Mama bear maybe protecting someone’s son?
This
@@ImaHappyGmaI get that vibe a bit too. It could be all the phone deleting stuff is to hide something else unrelated to the case. I do believe the McAberts are hiding something I'm just not 100% sure the murder of JO by one of the family
So would I if she murdered my friend
What does the harassment have to do with testimony of this case? I have seen hatred from Jen Mccabe that no one could match.
It’s anger. She tried to be a good friend to Karen to help find John, and Karen thanks her by blaming Jen and her entire extended family for killing him and then conspiring to cover it up. Nice friend.
The judge should be telling her to keep it to the answers to the questions and to keep the comments out…. The Judge did an awful job as usual with this witness
This is the worst judge I’ve ever seen
@@kristin1227 me too
Probably did KR a favour given JM looked non credible, argumentative and hostile.
The fact that she wouldn’t even confirm a single thing for the defence…even something she had clearly said clearly and without hesitation on direct is maddening. Essentially it feels as if she doesn’t want to be questioned.
Kerry Roberts, is the only one that showed any emotion and conpassion. So far she seems like the ONLY witness that was genuinely John's friend.
The fact defense didn’t cross speaks volumes.
The fact no one came out of the house is bizarre.
I get a meddlesome PTA mom vibe from Jen McCabe. Like she's been the Queen Bee of her social circle since high school.
100% agree! She definitely has an air of superiority about her! Classic mean girl.
She's a freaking bully!
Agree 100%. Focus on the victim and the accused. The rest is a distraction. I can’t wait to get this witness off the stand so I never have to hear her again.
She exhausted me, I'm so glad her testimony is done.
If I lived in that area, she would not be my friend. Her attitude and semi-aggressive personality will not be welcome in my circle of friends.
@@brightbleu Thank you! Me too. If it weren’t for Peter I would have quit listening to her argue, deny and whine.
@@gulliblesbabbles Much agreed! Can you imagine being in the courtroom and being forced to listen to her go on and on for hours on end?
@@tinyhomestead6023 Agree. Totally abrasive. Who needs that in their life?
When I was in court, the judge would NOT allow a word of explanation. Not one word, much less argue back. Judge is not doing one thing about the sassing back, questioning the questioner,etc.
Same here this judge is so biased
Albert's call her auntie
This is a great example of the broken justice system. Crooked lawyers become crooked judges.
You're not going to get 3 skull fractures from landing on a lawn full of snow after getting hit by a car. Explain that one. A long open gash in the back of his head? Yeah. That didn't come from a fall on the lawn
As an independent witness, this is not looking good for Judge Canonne 👀 she absolutely is showing bias when it comes to who she favours in the trial......🫣
There was a question asked during this live “did an EMT corroborate ‘I hit him, I hit him, I hit him”. Peter, you’re correct that an EMT corroborated hearing Karen say that. However, the only first responder on scene that morning who corroborated hearing Karen say that was Katie McLaughlin. In case anyone forgot who she is, she’s the EMT who lied on the stand as to how well she knew Caitlin Albert. So 2 people have said Karen said ‘I hit him I hit him I hit him’, but those 2 people are both proven liars under oath!!
Exactly. Even the male EMT had to admit he didn't hear her say it. And even jen needs to admit she never heard Karen say this. It was a question, not a statement. These people run with a circle of policemen, firemen, emts... they are like a circle of "friends". They hear something, and then they repeat it, even if it's wrong. They are NOT unbiased people. Maybe not on purpose, but they are too close to be objective. This WHOLE case should have been investigated by INDEPENDENT detectives, not THIS TOWN.
Oh, so the EMTs are framing Karen for murder too. Got it.
Funny how Karen Read will never sue anyone for what she and her lawyers allege to be a conspiracy to frame her for murder. That's because Karen Read knows she did it.
@@secondrule well said
I never heard about this case until the trial started. I am in Canada, I feel Karen so far in evidence is an outsider to this group. So she is a scape goat. I also think some of these women come across as mean girls. I think this was an accident
The Emt also didn't mention it in her earlier statements 🤔. Seems her story evolved.
The google search she made before Johns body was found sealed the deal for me. There is no plausible reason for the search OR for deleting it other than a conspiracy.
I'm all in to see how they try to explain this away. The moment i heard that i thought Busted! And this witness, the googler, is nasty enough to do it.
Yep. Best part was that apparently all of the other Celebrite data is correct EXCEPT the one incriminating Google search 🤔. So it only "glitched" on that? And that search was also just coincidentally deleted? How serendipitous lol
How she dares to victimize herself in a situation where someone was killed is so insensitive.
And she mingled into his family’s lives with her lies
She is the epitome of evil
Devil incarnate
Absolutely agree. And then to delete info from her phone. Several of them deleting information or getting new phones. Too suspicious to me. Someone, her friend she loved is dead, but they’ve had a horrible two years of living and being harassed. 😮😢😢😢
Absolutely, I've said the same
This is typical of a narcissist
Talking about Karen, I know. Miss witchy jealous broad Karen.
Karen Reed has also had a lot of harassment.
She deserves it. Unlike 20 year old kids.
Yeah like being falsely charged with murder !
She gets praise every day
Proctor wife should have enough to deal with with her husband's alleged behavior
Yes she has! Thank you for saying it. This will die down and JM will get on with her life, but KR's life is forever altered no matter the trial outcome.
The next witness said that it was Jenn’s idea to go to the death scene because Karen wanted to go back to the bar!
Yep, I thought the same thing
The McCabes and Albert's are truly inhuman. The only time they can muster and real emotion is when they're talking about THEIR harrassment their suffering. But they can't muster a genuine emotion while talking about it, and I quote, "the guy." They are so disingenuous it is abhorrent
Does anyone else think it’s a strange when the judge stops the defense and asks the prosecuting attorney, do you want to object? I feel like she’s micromanaging this case.
It's only when they are introducing a piece of evidence, like a video. I have heard it in every case
Micromanaging is a nice way to put it, Imo she’s straight up crooked.
She thinks she can affect the outcome of the case. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s part of the corruption. She has a huge conflict of interest but refused to recuse herself.
The totality of her rulings and actions both during this trash heep of a trial as well as pretrial, a logical person can conclude that she is biased towards both Karen Read as well as the defense team, especially Allen Jackson.
She has done her best to hinder the defense. During pretrial this judge allowed the CW to hold basic discovery from the defense for over a year. They had to beg the court to compel Lally to give the defense access to the car, officer O'Keefes clothing, taillight pieces for over a year. Lally lied over and over about the lab taking too long and he's trying to get things expedited but when the defense obtained communication logs from the lab they had paused testing because the common wealth refused to answer multiple emails and phone calls from the lab. They also didn't even send the evidence to the lab for over a year as well.
She also dennied access to Jenn McCabe' s cell data and a higher court over turned it.
There are heaps of other examples as well. For example most judges would exclude evidence with no supporting chain of custody or Metadata. but she allowed screen shots and evidence collected in solo cups with no custody logs. She labled offer Paul an expert then grilled all of the defense experts and limited their testimony dispite them being ridiculously qualified. A fair and impartial judge would never let this ridiculous case to go to trial.
If I was a juror so far I would vote not guilty because there is reasonable doubt because nothing or no one is telling the truth. IMO
Yes I agree with you…..I see reasonable doubt too
I think Ryan N. Told the truth. That's it.
IMO There was a huge difference between Jen and Carrie. Carrie seemed honest, genuine, straight forward with no agenda. Jen on the other hand looked like she had an agenda and Karen was always an outsider in her group. I don’t understand why that whole group got pissed by how frantic Karen was?
Because she had genuine feelings and they only care about themselves? Carrie needs to get better friends.
I agree with you!!! To me it seemed she cared!!! Definitely not someone who planned to murder.
Being around a sloppy drunk loud person freaking out tends to annoy sober people...especially in the middle of the night, when you were woken up
Me either!
I was so shocked at how everyone was mad at Karen for freaking out as well! Carrie came off as sympathetic and understood she was in shock.
I'm sure it was annoying when you are trying to figure out what's going on, but have a little compassion
Who care about them and harassment. Let’s stay focused on the man who die.
I care about them being harassed. A witness should not be harassed. The way that Karen Read supporters have been harassing the witnesses in this case is disgusting
I can’t imagine what Brian O’Keefes family must be thinking at this point? Unless they are just so fooled by the Blue line. Sadly the blue Line that has failed their son and family.
@@lisajeter9511John Okeefe? this how bad this trial is. people don’t even know the victims name
@@sierramcclary2897but harassing an innocent woman is okay? Both sides are guilty af w/this harassment bs. Karen lost her entire life with the lies told by “the circle” (Jen’s words for the tight circle). Officer John O’Keefe lost his life: playing the victim during a murder trial is tasteless af. She ain’t dead-she still has her life. Jen McCabe losing a pissing match with no one who is on trial in this case is irrelevant and no one cares or should care about the harassment when we are talking about a murder trial.
@@sierramcclary2897what about kr being charged by this so called
Police
Department. so far no evidence, what do you think about KR????atleast they aren't
Spending money for a
Defense, yet!!
Rewatch crew. Could it be possible that these cops thought John O. was part of an investigation against them? They perhaps were going to teach him a lesson, and it got out of hand? The whole group would be invested.
I wondered this if JO knew something via his sex offender register work, either about a cop or a dodgy investigation by cops,
Good point
⚖️LYK is the most unbiased law channel I’ve watched.
Thank you Peter for teaching/leading by example. You’re the best. Blessings to you and you family. 🙏🏼
I have serious doubts that Karen ever asked her to google anything.
Or that Jen planted that seed in Karen's head first, a.k.a. asking Karen something like "Do you want me to find out how long it takes to die in the cold?" As Kerry testified, Jen already planted some other ideas in Karen's head during the search.
Absolutely agree!
@@hkr667that still wouldn't answer the time she googled that. She is an angry liar.
There were EMTs who could have answered that question.
I agree. Jen is lying.
They left Carrie alone because she let everyone know that it was Jenn’s idea to go back to Fairview to look for John and not the Waterfall.
Yep I think Carrie’s testimony actually better proves the defense theory. Jen planted the ‘you dropped him off but the guy didn’t go in the house’. She also never said Karen was screaming ‘I hit him’. When she talks about how Karen behaved before they got to Fairview she doesn’t mention anything about screaming…she says she was ‘upset’ and ‘worried’ but never says she was screaming her head off . I think Karen only started to get hysterical when they found the body and Jen and Matt need everyone to believe she woke up screaming she killed him even though that makes no sense.
To be honest I watched it live and completely missed those points, so the jurors may have too.
And she didn't say Karen ever said, "I hit him!" Not once, but especially not over and over and over again.
Let lying Jen be the witness they take away from today. That was a dumpster fire lol
If KR did drop John off at Fairview, wouldn’t going to the last place you saw him be the most logical place to look? Everyone’s making such a big deal about going there to look. It’s the most obvious place to start, after John’s own home, because he could have gone and slept in a different room if Kr and Jo had gotten into a fight.
@@jagtojakexactly! It makes sense because that's where Karen dropped John off but I find it hilarious that Jen and Carrie both said that Karen said she dropped him off at the waterfall. That's BULLCRAP. Jen said Underoath during one of the 12 times she was under oath prior to this week's testimony that she saw John get out of the SUV in front of 34 Fairview. Hope the jury is hearing these major discrepancies!
Did I hear Keri correct, it wasn't karen who said to go to fairview it was jen. Jen said karen insisted on it. also Keri pointed out different area of cracked taillight.
Yeah, jen made it sound like karen made them go there right away when kerry said jen is the one who brought it up. Man, jen is weaving one tangled web.
It’s amazing how accurate the reports, phone logs, apps that support their “version” of the incident and yet, how inaccurate they are when proof of their “alternative facts” come to light.; including but not limited to deleting calls and messages, monitoring other witnesses’ interviews just to name a few.
I think they are 100% right about what she did. She covered up that search. She’s a sneaky little witch.
Thank you Peter for continuing to discuss this trial in such a balanced and unbiased manner. 💗 I am surprised that we are weeks into this trial and we are still waiting for experts to testify. Thus far, I think that the CW should have presented their witnesses in a much cohesive order. I am still waiting for them to prove what happened to Officer John O’Keefe. I hope everyone is having a wonderful week. 💞
I think they are covering for Collin
He’ll be enrolled in a police academy soon near us.
Yup and she’s Brian Albert’s lover or used to be
Her own sisters husband
I’m also thinking it was a kid they are covering for.
Bingo
Yup - me too. bc when his name was mentioned by the D.
WATCH her face and watch this liars eyes and body language.
Did McCabe tell the truth about anything today? I thought I’d vomit when she wanted to play the victim! She was disgusting and deplorable.
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I have never watched a trial where a Judge allows this non sense to happen! They wouldn’t be harassed if they told the TRUTH.
Oh boy .. yeah everyone is guilty and lying except the one on trial. Come on..
@@SmartScanScreeningsSo far, the commonwealth has proven nothing. Their own witnesses are unreliable.
@mirahardy636 the idea that only guilty people are charged and tried is grossly antiquated.
Well, it's not Karen's fault that JEN gets harassed and shouldn't be held against her. I have zero compassion for this "mean girl" and I doubt the jury does. She's been extremely defensive and obviously deceptive. Also, the Aruba trip had no place in this trial. But I'm glad the jury got to hear how some of these girls had it out for her.
Agree
There is a difference between being harassed and being made to feel uncomfortable.
49:22 Leah M., I completely agree! Just the fact that she wanted to tell the jury about “babysitter with benefits” tells me what a mean girl she is!
What makes her think the jury is going to believe her with her defiant attitude?
She looked like she'd been coached to come off nicer today, but the mask didn't last long.
It’s clear this is how she functions in life. A dominant bully! Acts like she is your friend, only to try and dig up dirt, then goes behind your back to trash you!! Despicable human being!
I believe her
@@rainaeasley7863 That sucks.
@@rainaeasley7863ok Jen!!! Lol
Imagine this is a cover-up.
Karen is fuzzy on the details of the night. Ends up at Jen McCabes' fully trusting her to help her find John. All the while JM is weaving this tangled web. 🤯
This is what I have thought about 1 million times. Who needs enemies when you have friends like Jen McCabe…
Plus, she is an assertive networker, whereas Karen clearly isn't (she didn't even mingle with her boyfriend's friends). As of now, we haven't seen any objective evidence linking Karen to this crime. However, we do have objective evidence (data) showing that Jen made incriminating searches before allegedly finding John's body for the first time and exhibited a lot of suspicious behavior afterward. If this isn't enough to charge her (and it certainly isn't), why is even less (or literally no) evidence enough to charge Karen? Just because she was in a relationship with him? Given the evidence so far, this trial is a farce. It would be a crime if she were convicted purely based on association and previously demonstrated (non-violent) jealousy.
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I get the feeling Jen had the hots for JO and tried something in the basement with him which got out of hand when someone walk in.. not everyone was involved.
@@fynbosfairy 🤡
I don't think it's possible to have a conviction in this case. The Commonwealth can't even establish how John died, how can they claim it was intentional?
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You've just made the most sense in the least amount of words. Exactly.
There were pieces of her taillight in his clothes and body.
@@Resmith18SR There is also video of the tail light being broken after the time of death. And pieces of the tail light was also found on top of the snow where John was found. How does the tail light glass get on top of 4 inches of snow if the accident happened at 12:30am when people saw the car outside the Albert house?
@@Resmith18SR There are no reports of tail light glass on or in Johns body BTW.. Not sure where you got that from? But they used a leaf blower to look for evidence, that spread everything everywhere
@@declan92100that video speaks volumes. I'll be curious to see if the defense brings it in.
McCabe seems like she would be a real peach to deal with on any issue in life, very aggressive, argumentative and full of herself.
She’s a right fighter....her and I would not be friends.
How about when “ Jenn says, Carrie is a blunt person not like me” I spilled my coffee
The “ not like me” she is delusional 😂
😂😂 Nailed it!
And then Carrie comes on as more likeable and genuine lol
Yes and Kerri was much more likable and authentic and truthful and not going on and on like Jen! I think Keri is a victim like the O’Keefe’s of trusting the police and the McCabe’s/Alberts. I think she has been swayed by Jen’s spin
6 Butt dials?? First of all a butt dial happens without you knowing it and the phone can be IN CALL for a long time until you find it and hit the END button. So to say it happened 6 times in one night?? I don't buy it.
They have opposable butt cheeks. Quite common in that area
Someone said she used face recognition to open her phone. That implies her face and her butt resemble each other? 😂
@@Shangori 🤣
@@jacquelineburns2731 right? Usually when things don't make sense it's a lie
@@jacquelineburns2731🤣🤣 Good one!
Jenn says she deleted her daughter's texts but she doest know how to delete a search. eyeroll.....
I have an iPhone and I know how to delete texts but I can’t figure out how to delete my Google search. I can do it on my laptop but not my phone. But I’m old so …!
I'm sure if your husband was in IT for 15 years, he could surely delete it for you.
Does anybody believe that Karen really asked Jen to google that? Guess we won’t know unless Karen testifies.
@@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 absolutely...ridiculous
Right?
First she said “my hands were shaking bc of my MS and it was cold” then she said “she was screaming and shaking me” 👀
I noticed that too … blaming Karen for her 💩
“I’m a truthful & honest person” my ass😂
Red flag 🚩 when you have to state that.
Yup. Its like saying “trust me”
I thought Jackson played it well. He got JM to admit all her calls and other searches were accurate But an incriminating one isn’t?? It’s either one or the other sweetheart. You can’t pick and choose!
Are you serious???? She was already caught lying on stand how many times? and you think a juror will believe her now???? WHAT????
I do think the jury will believe her. They will not be affected by the hate campaign being carried out by the rabble online.
When was she caught lying?? Seriously
I’d of loved to hear Peter’s thoughts on her making an accusation against the attorney about how her search reaching SM caused her & the family’s harassment! Isn’t it a crime itself to make accusations against him that are on untrue? Character assassination? Defamation? I guess I could maybe understand a defendant feeling that way on the stand & possibly saying it to a prosecutor during their testimony but this is a WITNESS!
I’ve been watching several attorneys recaps to get different perspectives about this case & several said she’s playing with fire if caught lying or giving false testimony on the stand & could face serious charges since the feds are involved & watching. These comments were made prior to today’s testimony. I can’t wait to see what they say about her going after Jackson & is completely disrespectful of the family of the victim. This trial is about JO not JM! They also said a witness who does a good job on the stand is someone who keeps their composure & doesn’t change their tone, demeanor or inflection during testimony for either side. As a witness she deserves an F!
@susanwhalls6230 her whole cross was literally full of impeachment. Her own testimony doesn't match her own testimony. Even on the stand her story evolved in front of our eyes. To act like there was nothing is just disingenuous. "I did not delete any calls"... proof calls were deleted. Just one example for ya.
@@susanwhalls6230 She hasn't been "caught" technically, but more SHOWN that she is not being consistent with HARD EVIDENCE. She keeps denying the evidence. One could look at that as being caught lying.
The harassment stuff doesn't help the prosecution. All it does is provide a motive for Jenn to lie even more to get back at the harassers.
The harassment stuff explains JM anger toward the prosecution. Have you seen the video of Yannetti patting turtle boys butt on the way into court? Tell me you’re part of the harassment without saying it.
@@jagtojakthat part!! Its sad grown adults harassing literal 20 yr old kids! Cmon. This is Occam's Razor & the best Georgia Cappleman quote - "the simplest explanation is usually the truth" Karen did this in a fit of rage and jealousy a tale as old as time.
Turtleboy and Karen Read were talking to each other even though she denied it lol but no one pays attention to that lie right ??
Turtleboy has also been harassing JO's brother. Which tells you everything. Paul even knew KR did it before the cops told him anything.
Harassment is never ok, but watching this as a juror, I don't think it helps the Prosecution.
A man is dead and a woman is on trial for murder. While I absolutely hate that this is happening, its not the most important thing happening...
And bringing it up multiple times minimizes it and make it look as though they are more concerned about themselves than discovering the truth of what happened to John. Its not a likable trait.
@@calmingwavesxhave you listened to any of the evidence?? All of the evidence literally exonerates Karen and your point is ridiculous because very few people agree with you. The vast majority see what's going on here. How long does it take to die in the cold at 2:37 a.m. and so so so so so so much more. Bye-bye
@@jagtojakJen McCabe's anger can easily explained by the fact that she knows she should be a suspect instead of a witness and again, how long does it take to die in the cold searched at 2:27 a.m. confirmed by forensic analysis of her phone by the fbi. Also, FBI reconstruction is found his injuries were not consistent with being hit by a several thousand pound suv. His injuries are consistent with being pummeled in the face by men and having a dog attack his arm and this will be proven in court. Goodbye
I'm sorry that you been getting hateful comments, Peter. Your podcast is balanced and so helpful. Thank you.
Something to consider is if the body was still warm when dumped out there like trash, it would have melted a light dusting of snow
How did John get a massive gash on the back of the head....lose 3 pints of blood that was never located....land face up.....have no injuries to his torso or legs....and his phone ended up just under his shoulder?
Jen McCabe is hostile. Victim playing is exactly what she is doing. Now John is a dear friend whom she loved. On her 911 call he was just a man she found in the snow. Everything she gets called out on is someone else’s fault or misdoing. It’s pathetic! Lock her up!
Amen agree
Not to mention if they are protecting a certain 17 year old kid with bloody knuckles, they would throw John O’Keefe under the bus
Also, I REALLY wish the defence had said, You don't think my client Karen Read has faced incredible vitriol??
Also her husband sending tbe text tell them "the guy" was never in the house. So he went from dear friend to the guy
I would be hostile too if someone murdered a friend of mine and pointed the finger at me and my family.
I only know Jen from her testimony, while nobody should be harassed, especially underage children, but she is incredibly unlikeable
Agreed. The bullying and harassment is wrong, but Jen acts like it's Karen's doing, so Karen is a murderer?
So weird, I think KR looks incredibly unlikable.
@@sbmom7both can be true
Kerry said that it was Jen's suggestion to go search by her sister's house.
‼️ “I hit him” can be a question depending on inflection. “I hit him?”
Sounds like Karen thinks its possible she hit him.
Right? How do we know it wasn’t a reply to Jen McCabe telling Karen she hit him or must’ve hit him, but Jen self-servingly left that context out?
That seems far more plausible to me. Jen’s exhibited no restraint or reluctance in accusing others of doing things, why wouldn’t she do the same here?
Either way..she did hit him!
Jen McCabe went under oath 12 times prior to this week and never once did she say Karen said I hit him I hit him I hit him. Not once! What she did say was Karen asked did I hit him. To FALSELY help the prosecution today, she's now saying that Karen said I hit him.
@@kerri-lynbryant293no she didn't because the entire time Jen said she saw the SUV and John get out of it did John end up on the lawn! Underoath before this week Jen told the grand jury that she saw John get out of Karen's SUV in front of 34 Fairview. Jen said she could see the flagpole, the mailbox, and the fire hydrant, but she couldn't see the Big Blob of John on the front lawn between them! She doesn't want to say that John's body wasn't there because that means he was beat unconscious inside the house and later on was brought out to the front lawn to freeze to death. There is not one injury on John's body that indicates he was hit by a vehicle because if he had been hit by a car at 24 miles an hour, he would have internal injuries, and damaged possibly breakage to his hips and legs because the bumper is the first thing to hit a body. The only injuries he has are to his head and right arm that has dog tear marks on it.
I don’t see how any of the sister’s story in Aruba should have had any credence in this specific case!
I have attended many pedestrian accidents and John did not have the injuries of being hit by a motor vehicle. Firstly he would have leg/ hip injuries, and he would not have had an open gash to the back of his head hitting snow, nor would he have had a swollen right eye. if his head had hit the vehicle then the vehicle would have shown damage ..A dog expert gave testimony on You Tube that the marks on Johns right arm were made by a German Shepherd. They never leave bite marks, they leave tears like cuts because as they grab an arm the person will obviously pull his arm away and the teeth will cut downwards. There are never puncture wounds with dog bites so it seems pretty obvious that John was not hit by Karen Reid’s car, he was beaten up in that house, the dog obviously went in attack mode because she was protecting her owners and possibly the fight went to the basement where John fell back and hit his head. A big cover up. Why did investigators not search the house? Why did they not go in to see if Johns lost shoe was in the house. They would have seen the alleged blood on the basement floor. These people freaked out and dragged John to the lawn. Why would he be lying on his mobile phone? I really hope the truth will be discovered and the individuals who murdered him or who a rurally left him out to die in the cold are held accountable and be punished. It’s a sad sad case and I feel very sorry for Karen Reid. It’s really really horrendous how cops will cover up for bad cops.
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The constant “can i see it” eventually led me into thinking she’s having a hard time answering honestly / keeping her story straight. A little refresher here and there is understandable and completely human, but the PERSISTENT need to “check her answers” from previous grand juries was off putting. She simply refused to answer things from memory unless the judge personally requested her to get to the point.
Yep. When you tell the truth, you don’t need to remember what you said.
Especially when she said herself without promoting that she asked at her meeting with the DA's office to see what discovery they had on HER.
MS is well known to affect cognitive processes including memory.
If you think everyone with a bad memory is guilty of a crime, I hope you never get to serve on a jury.
Your personal dislike of this woman should not affect your decision making when deliberating guilt or innocence.
I listened to the trial at work today and it was sooo long. I don’t know how jurors do it! Jen is so argumentative I can’t stand her
If I were on the jury I would see this woman as completely rude, disrespectful and completely uncooperative. I'm Not even looking at "sides" or who she is .. just generally how she acted and spoke was terrible. EDIT: To everyone responding if you actually listened to this video Peter said: please comment below as to whether you as a potential jurrror would feel about this women's testimony. Anywhere in my comment does it say liar? NO .... Come on folks ...
I agree. She has quite a vicious look about her.
I don’t know how anybody watching this case can walk away from this witness without thinking she has a personal vendetta against the defense and KR… and that alone makes me question what about her testimony is not swayed by her emotions
She might be a bit angry about being accused of murdering someone and covering it up by the defense. Assuming she's innocent, how would you act in that situation, if you didn't do anything, your family is being harassed, and the defense is trying to pin it on you. A guilty person would be more likely to behave herself. She is obviously pissed about this whole ordeal.
So that means her testimony isn't completely truthful? Because you don't like her?
See I would see her being a small town girl being discriminated against because she knows everyone in her small town
Those search results are so damning. Why is she googling this at 0200? There’s no reason it would have shown up before she searched it.
Nah Google time stamps a search based on when the page is opened. This is going to be real bad for Karen when the expert comes in and I'm shocked her attorneys didn't look into that before relying on that piece of evidence being true.
@@hollyrochfordif that were true the other searches would say the exact same time not different times. Because according to her testimony it was the same window.
@@hollyrochfordhaha. Right. Wait and see just how WRONG you are.. did Jen tell you that bs???
At this point, after all the witness-stand amnesia we have witnessed - no pun intended - I so totally get Mr. Jackson's reaction and I hope the jury sees it the same way.
Allowing the “harassment” issue and the witnesses from the Aruba trip is ridiculous, neither are even relevant 👎
In pre-trial motions, both the prosecution and defense didn't want it mentioned...Judge Bev insisted it be let in if it came in "organically," which of course the witnesses who took the stand knew weeks before getting on the stand that they could so some of them worked it in.
to be fair, the defense opened that door when they asked Jen why she went to visit Erin Proctor. however, i fail to see how harassment helps the Commonwealth. if I’m a juror, i’m sitting there wondering why so many people are so outraged at the prosecution
I feel worse for the prosecution IMO.
When your standard is reasonable doubt…knowing that MANY people have bought in to a coverup story might make you feel better about the idea of the reasonableness of your doubt.
@@gwp4eva I agree with you. Same if I was a juror.
@@jills9373 This Judge would have never let the Defense bring this in..Never..besides the fact there was no proof of anything..other than Fu..even that could be debatable..where are the witnesses from the lobby that could cooberate that even..the sister didnt even bring up what the older sister said what the cause of the problem was..so what does that tell us..other than we got a hint from Mr Yannetti of the likely cause.
It absolutely feels like the prosecution is on trial. That’s not good for them
She almost cried when she didn't know what to say when everyone saw the facts
Exactly
I knew nothing of this case before this trial, went into it maybe with the unusual expectation of the state having to prove guilt, and all I've seen so far from the witnesses does not come even close to convincing me that it's even more likely than not that the defendant killed the victim intentionally or even unintentionally
Peter - it doesn't have to be one consistent plan. Honestly, the kids cover for the parents, the LEO's cover for each other, a small group of people know what actually happened. KR is an outsider and an easy mark ESPECIALLY in light of what Karrie overheard
Coverups are never a bunch of people. It’s a few ppl manipulating a bunch of other ppl who believe what is the easiest thing for them to believe.
Yes! I don't think each person knew everything.
All you really need for a conspiracy is two “smart” conspirators and a group of inept unwitting participants. That pretty much sums up these people. Lol
There is a reason that witness shouldn’t talk before statements and why they shouldn’t be talked to together. They WILL effect each others memories.
If a half dozen people talk together and pool their knowledge…they will begin to feel as if they do have independent knowledge of things that are told to them. Like the EMT’s that were in the ambulance thinking they remember the “I hit him” statement.
1 or 2 of the people inserting false narrative can very easily alter the group narrative.
Nah, I know NOTHING about her or this case and I have zero sympathy for this witness
She’s not asking for your sympathy. She is willing to be a witness because a close friend of hers was killed. She believes that Read killed her friend. End of.
@@enigma_-_79 cool story, bro. I absolutely don't care what she's looking for, I am directly replying to Peter's question . End of ✌️.
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I care as much as the witness does.
Zero …. “bro.”
I expect Peter is on the edge of his chair waiting for your comments.
@@enigma_-_79 you cared enough to reply to my comment twice 🤷🏻♀️. I have no interest in this awful, abbrassive, lying witness nor any interest in you and your attempts at defending her gross, manipulative conduct. Enjoy your fight!
@@enigma_-_79she is absolutely asking for our sympathy especially with the harassment
It’s not about the friggin harrassment…it’s about John O’Keefe. So why go to Proctor’s house and not making an appointment? Did she want a favor? These people are not the victims….the family is.!
I’m baffled that is the face of harsh criticism about her families connection to the lead investigator…her reaction was to strike up a friendship with the lead investigators wife and go to her house.
💙🖤Justice For John💙🖤
Her anger destroyed her testimony
What is she angry about? She's the one doing all the talking after deleting records from her phone? There has to be a motive for JOs death & from listening to everything presented thus far, it has nothing to do with Karen Read.
This is one saga that fits the fact is stranger than fiction adage. A mystery that keeps deepening and it's heartbreaking to know that Officer John O'Keefe and his grieving family will wait a long time for justice. May he RIEP 🙏🏼😇🌺
Peter you are the BEST !!! Learn so much from you and really appreciate your intelligent, thoughtful and fair coverage.
The second search at 6:24 to reenact the “hos long” search is the nail in the coffin. McAbe will be in jail this year.
I can’t wait for that, this woman it’s evil. Her mouth yelling and making fun of Karen for her pain it’s beyond evil. I never see a witness to lie like this person.
It was damning when she wouldn’t answer the question about how long it takes to die. If she had nothing to hide she would have answered it immediately and moved on. Which would make me not believe anything else she has to say. I couldn’t believe they didn’t request to make her a Hostile witness with all of her bantering back and forth over it!
In a courtroom there are different rules for direct and cross examination. For instance in cross exam, you are allowed to ask leading questions, but on direct you generally cannot. If you call a witness who is resistant of testifying, or if the witness is sympathetic to the other side, you can ask the judge for permission to treat your witness as a hostile witness. If granted, then you can treat your direct examination like it was a cross examination. This witness in the video is being cross-examined, so she is automatically considered a "hostile witness". The term has nothing to do with the attitude of the witness. It is all about rules of examination.
ICU RN here and I know from experience how OJO died. He suffered head and neck trauma in the house which left him incapacitated but alive and was taken out to yard to die in blizzard. It is horrendous.
Wow! I believe this. So sad smh
Yes and it makes Jen McCabes google search at 2.27am absolutely psychopathic. I really hope his mum and brother see the light at some point
Were you also actually there? How would you know that? Just based on his head and neck trauma? And it was just an amazing coincidence that Karen Read dropped him off and admitted she was so drunk she didn't even remember dropping him off at Fairview? And also another amazing coincidence that she knew and ran exactly to the spot where his body was and kept repeating Could I have hit him and I hit him, I hit him? That's a really amazing coincidence.
All the cops and wives say she was not drunk ?
@@Resmith18SRshe ran right to his body because he was wearing dark clothing and was 6’2 220lbs lying on white snow…I’d imagine he was quite visible
Peter, you are the best, absolute best on TH-cam. Do not ever let anyone get you down. Ever.
I thought Kerri R was the first fully believable witness for the commonwealth.
It’s sooo difficult to imagine JM being an Elementary School Teacher to anyone’s children. She represents herself in a way that’s never “teacher material “ IMO. I say this because my career included the hiring of teaching staff in a School District. She’s not it.
Scary… the kind of power she had the opportunity to abuse over other people’s children. Yikes.
I don’t think she’s mother material or wife material either. Terrible role model
Teachers can ruin a child
Who knows, she was prob a teachers aide.
I'm an in school therapist, The thought of.
Jen, having a classroom full of kids made me shiver in fear for the kids...
Didn’t Jen say she was in the car when she was googling hos long to die in cold? Today she said she was standing by the car!
Yes, she said that Karen asked in the car after she asked to pray.
I caught that too. Kerry said they all prayed together, but i didn’t hear if she said they were in or out of the car.
This case is truly hard to believe-but there is so much to LEARN from the proceedings! Hundreds of learning points for upcoming attorneys and the public at large too. I have heard several seasoned attorneys use superlatives on several features of this case! WILD!!!!
Proctor didn't interview people that were there that night for 18 months if at all, but interview the Sullivan sisters on February 8, 2022
I am sincerely thankful I get to see J & Y argue to save an innocent woman. It really show showcases their expertise.
Love Aj , if I could afford him, I would hire him if I needed him. Can’t stand Jen.
"You WILL agree with me that blah, blah, blah. Correct?" I would be so tempted to say, "Wrong! I DON'T agree with you". 😁
She’s thinks harassment is bad now? What’s it gonna look like when the walls of the lie crumble and it opens up the truth. That’s gonna be interesting
Oh baby I don’t even want to imagine that!
Same as it was for amber heard...now people from all over the world saw it ..she can party her way to thinking she did good... literally everyone saw through it
Karen is in the back seat and she's able to see everything much more clearly than the two in the front. So it's no surprise that she was able to see him. She saw the shape of a human.
At first I was thinking Karen overdid it on her choice of lawyers...after watching the pretrial and trial so far i think she made a smart & very necessary decision.
Watching this after the live~ Jen right there created reasonable doubt! The 2:27 AM search said it all!! Shame on her for letting a man die! I pray they do go to jail! I knew nothing about this case until last week~ she made me have reasonable doubt! Even testifying how many times then coming up with She hit him 3 times! DONE!!
Agree