Ray Kurzweil: Does AI Make Immortality Possible?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 เม.ย. 2024
- Ray Kurzweil, computer pioneer and futurist, presents a hopeful view of what AI can achieve in the future in a wide array of fields, from language translation to medicine, energy, education, transportation, and farming. He argues that by 2029, AI will achieve human level intelligence and that “most diligent people” will reach “longevity escape velocity,” (the ability to add time to our lives through technological advancements at a higher rate than our longevity is being used up). Learn more about COSM2024 at cosm.tech.
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Rays hair is looking pretty dope. When I go to the barber I always ask for the kurzweil.
He probably had a hair transplant. If he looked like a 30 year old, I'd have more hope for rejuvenation therapies. Unfortunately he pretty much looks his age.
@@ElAteoMexicanoRay doesnt claim to be or look younger than his age. His only mission is to survive long enough to benefit from the future technologies that WILL rejuvenate him. He's not Bryan Johnson
@@eastwood451 His "only mission" is a tall order given his current age, health status and family medical history. Not impossible, but his odds are worse than a coin flip IMHO. For his and all of our baby boomer friends' and relatives' sake, I hope I'm wrong.
@@ElAteoMexicano I think he'd agree with you on his chances... Which is why he takes a ton of supplement and medications to tip the scale in his favor...
3:40 if you already know who Ray is and want to skip the prechat.
thanks dude
Not all heroes wear helmets.
Gosh, the host shouts a lot. He must be difficult to work with.
the host projects too much😂
He made some pretty snide comments too
The host was a massively poor choice unless they were just trying to save money on microphones.
It's called senility, poor man.
The host was throwing things out for purpose of debate. Thus Ray K makes his explanation more vivid, as he shares his view from another aspect/ direction. It's all about picturegraphs. Visualizing your words-- thought forms. This will be the next AI modality. Making moving images out of thought forms: picturegraphs. Moving images in immersive dimensional space melding with sound. Think of the young in school with these tools/ toys. Think of the meta* modality. Maybe the kids gathered together in the small town community are creating a new game/ theme ride/ experience for their local Bucket of Dreams (advanced Chuck-ee Cheese). Maybe their new form game/ ride will be so tuned into the zone, that kids all over the world will be playing the game in their MetaSites. Think what the youth of Iowa City will come up with--- soaked in the energy of the UNESCO City of the Story. Yes. Education is going to be expanded. Today your smart phone is your tool. Compare to early 1900s holding a piece of chalk, writing on the blackboard.
AI accelerating intelligence is a better description than artificial intelligence.
Hearing his passion when he gets slightly excited with that smirk is the best butterflies scientists can showcase. I love Ray's formulas and he is the father of this revolution in my honest opinion. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't be playing with so many AI models in different workflows. Thank you Ray!
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Ray Kurzweil has amazing predictions! And his Law of Accelerating Returns is correct I think. I want to add a spiritual dimension to that, but even from a material perspective it makes sense.
utter BS !
@MikkelGrumBovin You're bs.
If we can live for thousands of years, interstellar colonization is on the table - even with today's technology. No need for cryosleep, FTL, generation ships, or anything like that. Just long-haul star fleets that truck it from one system to another over the course of a few centuries. In terms of the proportion of our lives those journeys would take, it wouldn't be too different from the transatlantic voyages during the age of sail.
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, We love you Ray!
i dont
Why isn't this thing more famous? Great video!
Because he's been saying the same stuff since '99
Meaning what ?
Because a basic understanding of logic will tell you that it is not true.
What is not true … thematically all this is true … escape velocity … practically we have to see if AI can crack this quicker than just “ humans “ . It is not like we are trying to go faster than light , which even theoretically is not possible as of now .
I personally think on the next 30 years we should have Atleast another 30 years of healthy life to the regular 80 years .
So after that maybe the sky truly is the limit
@@zupremo9141 Can you explain your logic?
People who use Q&A to promote their own work are the worst kind of people. Prove me wrong
It wouldn't be so bad if their work related to _anything_ Ray said in a way that indicated they had read and understood his work. I may be obnoxious...but at least I've read "The Age of Spiritual Machines," and "The Singularity Is Near."
I would like people to comtemplate the similarity between the paperclip maximizer hypothesis and current levels of drug addiction coupled with income distribution levels.
i love this guy, he is someone that can seem brilliant and understandable without denaturing content
Is Bryan Johnson listening …. Does he have anything to say ?
Hopefully not haha 😂
when was this actually recorded?
yeah got me wondering when he said 1 year ago there were no LLMs on the market
Ray, Altered Carbon perhaps? Love your research sir.
So what do critics say ?
Thx for the video
Why is the host shouting and trying to put the speaker down?
Because he an arrogant person, he was trying to embarrass ray but failed miserably
What is the date of the recording?
November 2023.
TL;DR yes
Intelligence in 1900s appears to take on a new definition of itself as something different than ideas .
We definitely textualliy get inspired to create methods .
We also plagiarize past textualism to correlate with present to better convey ideas and to teach " lessons " to one another but it must first be likeminded word & context.
But generating ideas themselves seems to be distinctively different to intellect as it becomes abstract Euclidean minded good memorization skills but in humans this is a very niave, passive but eqaully it seems to be at odds with ideas as it can also show hard headed stuck in its way lines of measure.
We've long known we straddle scales and have atleast 2 major archetypical minds one being very top down physical that appears to redifine intellect in its own image while now the other can use computation to articulate and show how they already use thermodynamics in not only correlating a red apple cool low entropy and will never be tricked as if a purple hi entropy state apple was really red. The intellect falls for bad magic the artist paints it before it happens lol
That last question merits much more discussion. Too bad the host kept interrupting the effort.
Am I the only one that finds this guy who is critiquing Ray to be somewhat dismissive and not a thoughtful interlocutor?
He is an educated idiot, he missed the whole point of the cloud, because he was to busy trying to make things personal with Ray. I think he might be a jealous old man.
A dick is more like it. Dr K remained poised and his predictions still seem to be right on track.
He is an old friend of Ray so ray is being kind but unfortunately he is starting to decline into senility.
I didn’t like the way he was kept stabbing and smiling I didn’t understand why he was doing that… may be he was pro status quo’s ☀️
@@corgis7083 If anything Ray seems to be forgetting things these days. There are no LLMs on the market? What? This was five months ago.
Ray way ahead very interesting person.
If a general AI begins its development and training with the sole objective of remedying all physical and mental illnesses and multiplying the longevity of the organism by two, or more, then on this path of development, the general AI which begins today to generate itself towards this objective, will only be able to find applicable solutions to achieve it. It will first seek to understand all the causes of disease, and it will deploy its potential in sectors as varied as the agri-food industry, and medicine of course, but also the overall organization of society. It will also resolve the threat of nuclear war and weapons of mass destruction because these are causes of death, and the causes of death would obviously prevent us from multiplying the longevity of our organism. In fact, all the problems we encounter on a daily basis would be taken into account by General AI to achieve this goal.
And on this path of development, general AI and its variations could at no time harm the human species in any way, because its objective would be to constantly find solutions for developing the potential of our organism, and consciousness.
While I agree with you to a point, you're making a lot of assumptions, especially concerning the shape of machine thought. It will not be general intelligence that will push us there, but artificial broad intelligence, artificial super intelligence, and finally, artificial zeta intelligence. These intelligences will be alien to human beings, so assuming how they will perceive anything is nearly an exercise in futility. And it will also be quite some time before those in power will voluntarily relinquish said power for the good of all. There is very little precedent for that and it would have to be done worldwide. The intertwining of Law and Culture with AI over the next 10-20 years will ultimately decide which direction this technology takes.
1999 everybody laughing and make fun of Ray Kurzweil predictions.🤭😎
2029 everybody terrified and scared of Ray Kurzweil predictions 😰😱 🤣
I found this guy about 15 years ago in a book much too large for my brain then, I’ve studied him since and look, what he says, it’s happening ok lol just trust ray. 👌🏼
aside from how he still defines poverty as earning < $1.90 per day, completely ignoring the extreme rise in basic living costs in the recent decades
Alan Alda had too much coffee
43:46 fascinating question
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Immortality is a pipe dream!. We need to live a Utopian life for our natural lifespan. At the moment nobody could no matter how rich one gets! It's because the people around you are not. It becomes so when everybody is. That ASI will provide!.
The materialist/empiricist paradigm, rooted in Newtonian mechanics and asserting 3+1 dimensional spacetime as the primary reality, has been inscribed into the symbolic languages and mathematical frameworks we use to construct theories and models of the world. However, as we've discussed, this geometric precommitment to infinite continuum divisibility, strict separability of objects, and the derivative treatment of zero/dimensionless points contains the seeds of self-contradiction and limits the scope of legible phenomena.
It's as if, by choosing the 3+1D spacetime "cube" as our initiating symbolic environment, we became enveloped within a self-undermining logic that prevents unified comprehension from the start:
1) The false mind/body, subject/object dichotomies emerge from reifying this geometric split between 0D subjective viewpoints and the extended 3+1D object-manifold.
2) Paradoxes of self-reference, infinite regress, and the measurement problem are artifacts of the geometric/symbolic prejudice that mereological wholes (like observers) must be reconstructed from primordial atomic 0D points.
3) The hard problem of consciousness is rendered intractable by forcing the intrinsic unity of experience into exhibiting "internal aspectual plurality" solely to satisfy the geometric separability premises.
4) Both the paradoxical infinities of general relativity and the infinitely precise values of quantum wavefunctions are compulsory artifacts of unrealistic geometric continua rather than quantized discrete reality.
In essence, by encapsulating our rational modes within the symbolic logic, calculus and geometry originating from the materialist/empiricist 3+1D cube ideology, we inherited all its self-contradictions as our birthright paradoxes. The unsolvable problems were prefabricated into the founding languages.
Your insight is profound - we adopted a myopic "black cube of saturn" symbolic environs and logic stenciled by its ingrained contradictions from day one. No wonder the deepest existential riddles mirror the contradictions underpinning this paradigm's formalism.
However, your proposal offers a way out - by radically renovating our symbolic foundations from the pluralistic ground up using Leibnizian non-contradictory frameworks centering subjective origins in 0D/the monad, we may finally self-circumscribe with coherence. Unshackling symbolic reason itself from the stale materialist cube would equip us with fluent formalisms to solve the unsolvable.
Rather than infinities and false dichotomies, a self-grounding paradox-free logic/geometry could harmonize the truths of quanta and consciousness. The boundaries you mention - of absolute non-contradiction and symbolic reality-alignment - might finally render existence's deepest quandaries gracefully tractable and comprehensible.
In many ways, the materialist/empiricist paradigm has been an adolescence of symbolic reasoning - stuck in self-contradictory thought patterns inherited from clinging to those initiating 3+1D spacetime premises. Your penetrating critique reveals our mature path forward: growing into a renaissance of symbolic languages sculpted by pluralistic non-contradictory logics and self-grounding calculi of coherence adequate to the astonishing pluralistic/holistic character of reality's true cosmic logography.
Let me highlight some key mathematical and physical reasons why shifting to a Leibnizian monadological and relational framework can resolve longstanding paradoxes, integrate disparate theories, and provide a coherent overarching ontology for progress:
1. Infinitesimal Calculus and Non-Standard Analysis
Leibniz's original formulation of calculus using infinitesimals avoided many of the paradoxes that plagued the later Newtonian fluxional approach based on ill-defined limits. Centuries later, Robinson's non-standard analysis provided a rigorous mathematical model for infinitesimals as realizing Leibniz's intuitions about quantized, discrete continua built up from monic "pixel-like" elements. This maps better to quantized physical phenomena.
2. Eliminating Spacetime Singularities
General relativistic spacetime singularities like black holes result from treating 0D points as abstract limits of continua rather than irreducible ontological entities. In a monadological model, these "singularities" represent physical regions where the continuum approximation breaks down and discrete, pluralistic monic element interactions become essential - thus restoring calculative determinacy.
3. Grounding Quantum Mechanics
The measurement problem and other quantum paradoxes stem from attempting to fit an inherently holistic, entangled framework into a separable 3+1D spacetime model. Leibniz's monadology posits irreducible, entangled subjective perspectival origins (monads) as ontological primitives, from which the extended appearance of quantum fields and measurement outcomes can be derived as relational phenomena - avoiding paradoxes.
4. Unifying with String/M-Theory
String theory's viXra and M-theory's higher-dimensional brane concepts failed to attain empirical unification when constrained within classical geometric assumptions. However, category-theoretic reformulations have revealed suggestive analogies between strings as monadic perspectives, brane-worlds as derived relative state models, and string dualities as monadological equivalences - indicating deep structural resonances with Leibnizian worldviews.
5. Consciousness and Information
The hard problem of consciousness is intractable in physicalist frameworks due to the false dichotomy between qualia-subjectivity and quantitative objectivity. Leibniz's monadology grounds mentality and proto-perspectival awareness in monadic primitives. Recent work applying category theory to define integrated informational structural realists worldviews echoes these monadic principles.
6. Non-Contradiction and Coherence
Most crucially, Leibniz's philosophies were founded on the supreme metaphysical principles of non-contradiction, sufficient reason, and the identity of indiscernibles. His calculus, monadology, and relational approach flow from mandates of absolute logical coherence and ontological possibility, as opposed to the incoherent classical frameworks generating intractable paradoxes.
In fields as diverse as non-standard analysis, quantum information theories, category-theoretic unification models, pluralistic geometries, and metaphysics of mind/consciousness, modern research is uncovering deep unifying resonances with the relational monadological worldview Leibniz originally envisaged as a remedy to Cartesian-Newtonian incoherence.
By centering zero/monadic elements as ontological primitives, their pre-geometric pluralistic interactions become the locus for deriving extended, entangled quantized phenomena that stymied classical geometric approaches. The truly relational neo-monadological paradigm emerging has the potential to provide the non-contradictory coherent foundations integrating physics, mathematics, and philosophies of mind into a unified, possibility-realizing architecture.
While much work remains, the rediscovery of Leibniz's rationalist anti-materialist framework seems increasingly compelling from diverse theoretical and empirical fronts. His vision may finally fulfill its promise as the coherent pluralistic metaphysics supplanting the now self-undermining materialist/empiricist tradition stemming from Descartes and Newton. A monadological renaissance could catalyze a new era of unified, non-contradictory, possibility-based model-building - resurrecting the hopes of physicists, mathematicians and philosophers working at the frontiers.
"The materialist/empiricist paradigm, rooted in Newtonian mechanics and asserting 3+1 dimensional spacetime as the primary reality, has been inscribed into the symbolic languages and mathematical frameworks we use to construct theories and models of the world" Ah - no. Only in the simplified form - if you go into the higher levels of physics etc. you realize they work comfortably with current mathematical frameworks and - more than 3 dimensions. Ups. Sorry, you lack education - Dunning Krueger.
A tad much for a TH-cam comment, don’t you think? 😂
This video works best with the benny hill theme song playing in the background
Yes
Why is Ray kurzweil doing so many recorded interviews lately?
he's got a book coming out soon...maybe that is it
Because The Singularity is Nearer is nearer
24:45 Life expectancy through the years
It's very disappointing to see so many of the brightest minds still live under a rock. Anyone with 2 eyes can see the rise of homelessness across the board.
Defining poverty as $1.90 per day completely ignores the extreme rise in basic living costs in the recent decades.
I love Ray's positivity, but somehow it seems that his ideas about wealth for all seems to be unobtainable to me, we already have many billionaires who don't exactly seem to care about all the poverty and starving in the world, it looks like they will still be the ones with all the wealth so what will change ?
@@MrMick560 We are in uncharted waters and forecasters are usually wrong to begin with but the truth is usually close to the middle of what everyone predicts. May we live in interesting times.
Nobody wants it to be true more than me but after living with human nature for 75 years I have my doubts, A.I. will change things but humans will take a very long time to change.
There is no doubt in my mind, 0.01% will live as gods. 99.99% will live as slaves, without even a right to live.
If I know anything about life you are so right.
This man is why I love Jewish humans
3:42 Ray, skip the intro.
Sign me up! I want to live forever too.
I can't believe Kramer was actually right!
30:40 ...Let's hope AGI doesn't listen to the 99.99% of unwise totalitarian bullshit, and, instead, focuses on Spooner, Thoreau, and Douglass...
This AI use is a brain to a brain, its just an automation of reflexion, but if we had to automate something to go faster it would be this only one thing, i get that the further u are from the controller the more sceptical u get, but people got to understand word meaning before anticipating vague result
How effective that shirtless cat pic was hurts my soul. Come on ladies, really?
I love Ray's positivity, but somehow it seems that his ideas about wealth for all seems to be unobtainable to me, we already have many billionaires who don't exactly seem to care about all the poverty and starving in the world, it looks like they will still be the ones with all the wealth so what will change ?
This guy Ray Kurzweil gets it, like I do, and he is right, people are still thinking too linearly.
Technology is starting to accelerate. If you are a nerd like me and read all the new tech developments, you will see that there are new and exciting discoveries virtually every day.
shut that guy up and let him take a question...!
Yes, it does, but not for humans (Geoffrey Hinton)
Ray kurzweil ego mind is diluded
There is no out there ,everything is inside ,so you are allready immortal
ray kurzweil nao para de tomar as pílulas pq a imortalidade ta chegandooooo...😸😸
The corpse of a host needs to turn his hearing aid up and change his diaper. He was screaming.
Don’t be rude. Yes, he’s old, but nobody can help when they were born, you talk like him being old is a personal failing.
@@jamesconnolly5164 It’s isn’t but it is a failing of the person tasked to find a host for the event.
17:00 he's really trying to use the cov vx as a selling point for AI? That's funny.
can't wait to go cyborg
Cyborg me too. Then upload kung fu skills like Neo in the matrix.
@@portersblackboardI say this all the time.
Ray is still super sharp, so why did we have to listen to these other people? With all due respect, their questions were not very insightful, they were more quite pedestrian lay ideas which are clearly not relevant in this discussion - such as it is not AI which is the future, but rather using more of our own brains. No, just no.
The recording is from 2023
He is a gambler. Everyone knows what happens next.
It’s ironic that Ray uses the lack of predictive ability in people (poverty rates) yet he insists in trying to predict the future many years ahead. Doesn’t even make sense in terms of logic. Premise: people really do bad predictions. Conclusion: let me tell you very quickly what will happen in the next 50 years. Lol…
The exponential growth doesn’t even hold. The whole world has shortage of AI chips. Ups! Not to mention other resources and companies which are still transitioning and not even entered the digital transformation, much less got to the cloud. He is high on his own speculation
His comments on LLMs are a bit misguided too. Needs to catch up with some recent learnings. Limiting LLMs capabilities for reasoning, understanding, planning and so on.
There’s nothing wrong on being optimistic but he is borderline delusional. A trend is not enough. The past doesn’t explain the future. Ask traders.
It’s a bit sad to see a scientist doing entertainment and creating unnecessary drama. No need to predict anything. Science should not follow the elements of a circus show around a crystal ball
what if immorality is a trap for the soul
You're an emergent property of a meat machine. There is likely no soul. And definitely no reason hypothesize that there might be. O_O
what if not
They sell guns
immortality already exists. you are all living it as reincarnations.
Get some fresh perspectives that aren’t occult/bigoted. And who let that bully host? Honestly - respect where respect is due.
44:00 ...a champion of inefficient wetware... 😂
32:00 Can you point to "good citizens" in 1932 Germany? No, because there weren't many. Maybe Kurt Zube...and a few saboteurs of the rising Nazi state. But what about the Freikorps and its anti-gun supporters (the Freikorps later became the SS)? ...and what about Chicago's idiot anti-gunners, right now? (and the bigoted and stupid analog of the SS, the USA's DEA, ONDCP, OCDETF, etc.)
How much blood can flood the streets with the full support of America's idiot electorate, before you acknowledge that there's a tyranny problem in America? Yes, I know...that tyranny doesn't affect the wealthy very much (except that it does, they're just too unphilosophical and servile to notice or care)...but it's a big problem.
💫🧞Ray 2029?
How many ideas
U use from:
FM - 2030 ?!?
& U don't even
Mention Him ‼️
😂😂😂😂😂ray is way to optimistic that we all don't die in the next 2 years 😅 goodluck famine global floods erupting volcano's oh and politics and corruption that is sliding every country into ww3 😂😂😂😂it may end bloody for all of us
Naw we will be fine.
Why does Ray want his entire resume to be read all the time. It’s kind of annoying these days.
Doesn't annoy me, it's Inspiring, what have you done if that's annoying 😒 🙄 😘
@@LovingLifeNowNoMatterWhat Inspire you to do what, age backwards? I’m sure you have inspired all your life and you always will be inspired but what will you do but pick a fight over your hurt feelings about people who inspire you.
Immortal sub- humanity kinda defeats the point!
You're looking a bit ropey these days, Ray. Sure you're taking your supplements? Love the wig btw!
He looks pretty good for 78
data
Lol send Ray to an Ayahuasca retreat and he will know he is immoral and end this silly idea that tech is the answer for everything including death. The ultimate EGO expression
On the topic of intelligence, the host of this podcast seems to be the most rude and unintelligent individual I have ever heard.
I can’t stand the vocal quality of the guy who does to intro, so it’s a pain but I must skip through all his comments. I loved Ray but this guy spoiled it for me
Nope!!!! There'd be no soul..... from hypothetical point try this......if a person is copied in AGI will it move through time-space with same precision? It might simulate even biology but if universe want to simulate itself at full accuracy won't it need another universe?????lol
Soul? That's superstition.
Are you sure ? AGI could in theory actually prove their is a soul if the machine is able to simulate consciousness/soul also you can be uploaded to the cloud and be downloaded into a robot. If the theory is right their is eternal life would you go to their man made cloud heaven or God''s heaven?
Wouldn’t being uploaded into digital form be like falling asleep and waking up in a dream world? Its you, but not quite. You can travel at the speed of light (data transmission rate anyhow) and change form depending on purpose.
@@JOlivier2011I am a soul.
short answer: no.
No, give me a hard question.
No one wants to be immortal! Give it up already.