23 Envelope Documentary [4AD, 1985]

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  • @Andrew.Stuart
    @Andrew.Stuart 13 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Do you remember when the artwork was just as important as the record. The music and the cover had a symbiotic relationship and became a piece of art for the ordinary man. excellent

  • @BeefyMon
    @BeefyMon 8 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    This was captured from a VHS tape I compiled, and attempted to sell locally (in Seattle) as a bootleg. Exotique Imports sold about 20 of them around 1990-1ish. How this ended up on youtube is a mystery to me, but here's the story: I'd bought a tape of the documentary from someone else through the mail and thought I'd be able to make a few bucks on the side- plus have the fun of compiling an entire product; packaging and all. I hacked together my own sleeve design from a scrapped 1990 v23 calendar and some typography generated on an original Macintosh laser printer; I've since become a professional graphic designer. I took it upon myself to sweeten the deal by adding content to the video as well. The 16 Days/Gathering Dust video was from a high school video competition, for which I won first-prize. Can you believe it? Ugh. After that, I pan the camera over my nascent 4AD collection (Posters, CDs, LPs, and other oddities). Then follows a bizarre "introductory video", another High School project- describing myself through abstract video... mostly myself and a friend being artsy with the camera. That's my little dog Bucko, my awful Ford Pinto with red racing stripe, my Bauhaus picture LP on the Dual turntable which I still own.

    • @blue_boy1999
      @blue_boy1999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cool stuff Matt! Thanks for your contribution, I know I’m happy to be watching this and with luck you introduced some folks to some good new music. You have a pretty sweet collection too :) 👍

    • @BeefyMon
      @BeefyMon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andy Wilton thanks!

    • @JohnoWells
      @JohnoWells 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wow. What a great story. Thanks, Matt.

    • @BeefyMon
      @BeefyMon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JohnoWells I’m so happy that this crazy “bootleg” has endured - and seems to be a vital piece of the 4AD history puzzle for so many. Respect of course to the originators of this documentary. :)

    • @BushyHairedStranger
      @BushyHairedStranger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This was on my “haven’t immersed in yet” section, glad to listening & hearing it now.

  • @sombrereptile4167
    @sombrereptile4167 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    RIP Vaughan Oliver. What a talent.

  • @markmaloney
    @markmaloney 12 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Vaughan Oliver is a legend of graphic design. 4AD was one of the most influential labels of the past 40 years. Put them together. It's utter perfection.

  • @cocilrow3902
    @cocilrow3902 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glorious. Esoteric goldmines like this is why I love the internet

  • @powrxplor69
    @powrxplor69 10 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Had never actually seen the entire documentary only short clips here & there.... Thanks so much for posting it its entirety! Love 4ad & this seems to be from '85, the peak period

  • @brosquitobandofficialchann4015
    @brosquitobandofficialchann4015 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best hour and 15mins on TV I have seen long time👍…especially the 🐠

  • @jamesgroome
    @jamesgroome 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ok heres the bomb. I just found this. Can't believe I've never seen this before. Never heard Liz laugh so much at one time either. I am so grateful for this being on here. Thanks for posting this genius documentary.

  • @orlandoroor
    @orlandoroor 13 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Como extraño esta época de mi vida, descubrir todas esas bandas me transformo mi vida, ahora siento y creo que nunca un sello podra producir tanto talento. Que bello ver este tipo de documental, algo que nunca imagine verlo.

  • @steelyman08
    @steelyman08 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It worked! Those early This Mortal Coil covers & all of the CT album covers, well.... can you even imagine them otherwise? The mysteries within the mystery. Filigree & Shadow was a wonderwork for me. I might have bought it just for the cover at the time!!

  • @DanSwanson2070
    @DanSwanson2070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for this hard to find documentary

  • @elemmayo2602
    @elemmayo2602 11 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    4ad and factory were great labels.

  • @Xephon212
    @Xephon212 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you so much for posting this.

  • @kylechicago8189
    @kylechicago8189 12 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Even though 4AD has moved away from its original Ivo-era influence, I still love the label. However, seeing this immediately brings up memories that make me fee like I'm 17 again. It'd be nice if 4AD could throw us old fogies a bone and put this doc,along with all the old videos from the 80s & 90s, onto DVD someday. Until then(probably never) good thing we have TH-cam to tide us over.

  • @dbremmer
    @dbremmer 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm loving the random stuff at the end almost as much as the doc. Bauhaus & puppies? Why not.

  • @jwhitepngnboy
    @jwhitepngnboy 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    OMG thanks for sharing this, I am a Huge 4AD fan.

  • @MIMNED
    @MIMNED 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I ever loved 4AD since its creation. Ivo and his team are still in my mind...
    23 Envelope still remain the most representative photographic home of the entire history of dark music.

  • @Mr.Swankly
    @Mr.Swankly 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wow- never knew they did a doc on them- thank you for posting! 4ad was a whole world to fall in love with and lose yrslf in.

  • @telemat
    @telemat 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There were and is no other sleeves like theirs. As pure and close to the emotions as the music from the bands they used to work with. Some kind of naturalism.

  • @Andrew.Stuart
    @Andrew.Stuart 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a fantastic collection of art work and music - at the end, wonderful.

  • @nieblaelectronica
    @nieblaelectronica 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I didn´t know anything about this documentary. 23 Envelope formed part of 4ad Story, cover art designs of groups like Xmal Deutschland or Cocteau Twins, people will remember it forever.

  • @alexvargas1329
    @alexvargas1329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4AD TE AMO ❤👏👏

  • @TPToE
    @TPToE 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A great upload >> many thanks for this excellent documentary!

  • @psychowitch04
    @psychowitch04 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have some of Vaughan Oliver's posters on the walls of my room. He is such an inspiration to me.

  • @markusdaxamouli5196
    @markusdaxamouli5196 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the Post! 4AD and the Cocteau Twins Album COvers were worth the $$ alone..Love it!

  • @MatthJenks
    @MatthJenks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that Colin Newman cover that plays during the credits. What a gem!

  • @Robbo586
    @Robbo586 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i've just put "Facing The Other Way: The Story of 4AD" down" and now i discover this ... pure bliss! (oh by the way get the book!)

  • @micahnewman
    @micahnewman 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All this time, I never even knew what Ivo looked like!

  • @wndywoo
    @wndywoo 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed it... would be great if it were on Vimeo for sound quality. Thanks for posting none the less.

  • @TheMarcPolar
    @TheMarcPolar 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanxx!!!

  • @tony501
    @tony501 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great times, from way back when!!

  • @MCocteau
    @MCocteau 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing piece of history. Just discovered they had a video for Sixteen Days/Gathering Dust, almost 30 years after...

    • @BeefyMon
      @BeefyMon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOL *snicker* they certainly didn’t ask for it, but I made it anyway!

  • @julosx
    @julosx 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm not the biggest Cocteau Twins fan, but I reckon as long as they were around and on 4AD, the label and its music were great. When they split up after being for a short time on Fontana, Ivo left the label, all the great 90s band like Lush, the Pixies etc. were history. All was left was memorabilia. These days, 4AD looks like just the shadow of its former self and isn't even a Brit label anymore. I'll leave it to that. My interest is gone.

    • @bonmot7850
      @bonmot7850 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I always thought it was the deal they did with Warner, and the toll that eventually took on Ivo's enthusiasm... like with Rough Trade, it became too much about sales and promotion... killed the spirit of the enterprise...

  • @daveliso
    @daveliso 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Read the 4AD book Facing The Other Way to really understand how Robin felt about 23 Envelope!

  • @enolAngnm
    @enolAngnm 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    WHY HAD I NEVER HEARD THESE CT SONGS AT THEN END?!?! WOWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwww

  • @herrgolf
    @herrgolf 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amen.

  • @LightAsylumOfficial
    @LightAsylumOfficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    🖤🖤🖤

  • @yttrayce
    @yttrayce 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That last section after the credits, with the 16 Days/Gathering Dust music - I'm assuming whoever uploaded this added that, there's no way thats original, right? Regardless, they did a great job of the genre. Fabulous doco, I'm 42 and have been a 4AD fan for almost 30 years and somehow never seen this before. Great stuff.

  • @sonial1839
    @sonial1839 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would have been awesome tho have seen the Pixies here.

    • @BeefyMon
      @BeefyMon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Documentary was from 1985, two years before the Pixies were on 4AD.

  • @sonial1839
    @sonial1839 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    RIP Vaughan.

  • @phothium2009
    @phothium2009 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    muito lindo

  • @mmmcomfy
    @mmmcomfy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone know the location for the Cocteau's Garlands cover shot?

  • @OerythiaDeQuatrefages
    @OerythiaDeQuatrefages 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    and apparently it was also more experimental and gave better or more poetic end results! I think I'm gonna purchase an aquarium ;)

  • @Scavenger3000
    @Scavenger3000 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    the song is "You Know It All" by Ultra Vivid Scene...but maybe you already found the title :D...

  • @AlexisAnderson
    @AlexisAnderson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    was the cocteau twins video they are wanting to make at 32:00 ever made?

    • @BeefyMon
      @BeefyMon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nope.

  • @premaparamo
    @premaparamo 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happened with sound? Could you upload it in Vimeo? It's an excelent documentary.
    Thanks so much for sharing. :)

  • @TPToE
    @TPToE 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can anyone tell me which group is featured in the photo at 20:42, or on which album sleeve it appears?
    On a Grierson-related note, does anyone know if his film (an excerpt of which is show at 34:40, though the title isn't mentioned in the documentary) was ever screened on television or made available anywhere?

    • @BeefyMon
      @BeefyMon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All I know is that it’s called “Maelstrom”.

  • @sebastianspatafore5117
    @sebastianspatafore5117 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    someone have this in perfect quality? or just 4AD have the original master of this?

  • @niamhcullinane5165
    @niamhcullinane5165 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the song at the very beginning? It's great

    • @decoreh
      @decoreh 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Niamh Cullinane The Spangle maker by Cocteau Twins.

  • @pierresimon1014
    @pierresimon1014 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Niamh Cullinane Cocteau Twins The Spangle Maker

  • @teddyoggin
    @teddyoggin 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't get any sound

  • @ppoo2772
    @ppoo2772 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    why didn't they get spaceghostpurrp in this

  • @micahnewman
    @micahnewman 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was Vaughan Oliver 20??

  • @arzani86
    @arzani86 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    name of the song starting at 1:11:32 ?

    • @charlesknowlton7198
      @charlesknowlton7198 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      "You Know It All" from ULTRA VIVD SCENE. A b-side from the "She Screamed" single.

    • @BeefyMon
      @BeefyMon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@charlesknowlton7198yes, but it’s only the CD single, which is very rare (CD singles were just coming out at that time)

  • @jeromeariganello9874
    @jeromeariganello9874 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Baked beans....ok.

  • @mournival73
    @mournival73 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    WTF at 17:55 lol

    • @earinsound
      @earinsound 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      gary from modern english

  • @LionSchool
    @LionSchool 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL ... "visual imagery is pretentious" ... Yeah!! Stupid sight! *Cuts eyeballs out*.... damn vision.