Destiny 2 Shadowkeep Lore - The War of Light & Dark & The Origins of Life on Earth? Unveiling Lore!
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- Destiny 2's Lore has recently revealed new messages from the Darkness. These messages in the unveiling lore book shows us a war between Light & Dark as well as the origin story of life on Earth!
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Woah last time I was this early, we had just stepped into war with the Cabal on Mars
Travis Lowell God damnit.
I would recommend the door to your right.
Travis Lowell so let’s get to taking out their command.
From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defences, take this beast out, and break their grip of Freehold.
Ffs XD
"This is to compare the shadow of a leaf with a forest reaching the stars". Damn Byf. Damn.
Stephen Holt as we know, Byf is one for deep similes. Refer to “A King coming off his throne to punch a peasant.”
KC_Saber new T-shirt idea
@@JarenDarkwolf Thats literally something he said in a Tslayp episode.
The Darkness: “ I brought you everything you know and love!”
The Light: “ok boomer”
@TenOhOne TV ok boomer
TenOhOne TV
Honestly I don’t even think it’s a funny meme (if you could even call it a meme); i just did it because it was the best response that I thought would fit
I enjoy laughing at both.
There's a quote by Toland that says that the Pyramid on the Moon has the ability to terraform.
The Collector's Edition journal states that the rock surrounding the artifact found in the Moon dates back to the beginning of the Ocean of Storms at least, going as far back as the Moon's formation.
The Moon crash is succeeded by the first signs of life on Earth in real history.
Unveiling reveals that the Deep reached out and Earth's lifeforms began to take shape as predators and prey.
This is so feckin' cool.
Wow
Darkness: I created you
Us: Source?
Darkness: Dude trust me
I just want to point out that it's 100% true, if we believe our modern real life science, at least. We wouldn't exist if primal bacteria on Earth didn't evolve. Conflict is what breeds evolution. The Darkness _is_ conflict. That's what it embodies.
The last entry of this book makes a compelling argument: Mara reaffirms her statement that balance between Light and Dark is needed, but clarifies that balance does not mean equality. Some Darkness is needed in the universe, but only a small amount.
Darkness: death is required
Immortal jellyfish: I’m about end this beings whole career
I mean, the immortal jellyfish does have to die to be reborn again, so death is in fact required for it to continue to live
Isn't that the concept of a guardian?
Davud Seferovic woah you’re right they should totally use that concept ingame in a lore piece or something
@White knight I think you are overlooking a key aspect of the winnowers logic. It is not that the darkness thinks all life ends in decay and rot without death, it's that the spreading of resources between everything, including the weak, is to the detriment to life. The winnower seeks to sort the weak from the strong, so the strong may flourish. Competition, even within species, is the preferred outcome for darkness. It's maladaptive to behave in a way that weakens your species. The darkness would say the cannibalization of the weak is adaptive because it purges weakness from a species.
The idea is that the gardener plants many plants, but the winnower cuts away the weeds allowing the garden to flourish.
The truth is that the Darkness isn't "wrong", but it neglects the benefit of cooperation between individuals and species. It neglects the idea that weaker life can strengthen stronger life more by cooperating filling a separate niche than by not existing at all. Thus the gardener and winnower require one another and they both lack an understanding of this. It is therefore, not light, not darkness, that matters, but rather a combination of the two.
Darkness: “Only the simple predator preying on its neighbours allowed you to come into existence.”
-MFW all living beings are essentially gigantic colonies of microscopic organisms working together for mutual benefit
The Darkness talks a big game but can’t even remember 7th grade Biology
E
But the darkness is right though. Beings only form colonies because they needed to do so to survive. Order is required. When something else enters it, a new order is required.
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
Greetings byf, my name is guardians here
Here name, my greeting is byf guardian
@@ardent4273 Greeting's Derp, Mah nerm ish MINDFOCK.
Here my, is byf name guardians greetings
Storm Master5009 what?
It's fun that Bungie is basing the game on deep concepts of the nature of our own existence.
That's what really hooked me in the lore or Destiny. I was having fun with space fantasy and weird cosmic crap but then it got into E X I S T E N T I A L P H I L O S O P H Y
What's really neat is how, beyond the lore, Destiny's own gameplay systems are also built around these same ideas about the complicated relationship between competition and cooperation. It all blends together in a pretty cool way.
Is it weird that i love dalling asleep yo Byfs voice cuz its just so soothing? I cant be the only one.. right..?
you arent, but im not one of them
Kermit of Rivia what
Dude sometimes I just put that 4 hour Destiny full story and let myself fall asleep to that.
@@Saint_Wolf_ yessss
@Kermit of Rivia no. Just his voice
Byf when it releases can you go over the lore in the Destiny Cookbook?
Jackson Meuret
Yes please
@@therewillbefire1833 Yes, me want to see
Yes
Some hive knight stew?
"I am the one who takes." -the Darkness
Argent Wolf
Oryx: “No. I will take them all...”
@@giantslayer9335 well I suppose if you disbelieve the darkness in it's entirety, although it seems to me, Oryx was the "taken king" it could mean both that he could take, and he himself was taken. Also, to be taken seems to be a dark reflection of being given the Light...
@@wisdomsoptional In other words, we have yet to truly meet our match...
Argent Wolf I know. Oryx is a weakling compared to the Darkness/pyramid/winnower.
Without even trying, they even possessed our ghost. No special magic required
@@giantslayer9335 That may be because the ghosts are the last vestiages of the Traveller, who was "killed" in the Great Collapse. It would make sense also if the ghost was merely the voice of the Traveller as reflected by his light in you, and thus our ghost is just the shell for the voice of either the Light or the Darkness.
Nothing like slogging through work while learning about where I'd rather be.
Yea man... that's the struggle of being able to imagine fantastic worlds that dwarf our own
So, according to this latest passage, all of creation was the result of a brawl, and our own universe's Big Bang was nothing more than an uppercut.
It's almost Lovecraftian in its scope: Titanic, unknowable, utterly alien forces are focused solely upon each other in endless struggle while all life in the universe amounts to little more than a colony of bacteria growing from the remnants of a single drop of blood cast off by a stray punch in the conflict.
I love that instead of making a simple evil entity, Bungie has created an entity with it's own beliefs, ideals, and reasons for its actions rooted in some the biggest questions and philosophies of our existence and life in general.
Who is stronger? The man who cuts down the weak or the one who stops him?
It actually seems to be "the woman who cuts down the weak" in this case.
I would word it as "the one who cuts down the weak or the one who strengthens the weak"
Yes
K K of everyone is strong then nobody is.
@@mike-0451 that is contradictory but mainly incorrect in this case since there are entities in this world that are weak.
The 7th’s lore entry’s title is called T=0 This refers to a term in physics called traction . And when traction equals zero (as the title says ) things can move infinitely without any more energy provided to them . Just some food for thought .
hahaha traction stompees
I assumed the T referred to Time. Time = 0 is the first point in linear time.
I take t=0 to be time as t is more typically time in physics which would make more sense as it's referring to the birth of the cosmos or time=0
Αλέξανδρος Θεολόγου t
=0 usually refers to the starting point of a set of data. Stands for time = 0
BIIILL it’s on caps that’s why I assumed it’s traction. If it was time it should be t=0
“War in heaven”
WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHH
and
SoiSoiSoiSoiSouSoiSoi intensifies.
That a Halo reference?
@@fluffyalphab Warhammer
@@daseven3133, Oh, thought it was Halo. Please don't hurt me.
DIZ COMMENT SECTION BELONGS TO DA ORKZ! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!!
Yes can I get an extermantus here?
Roger dropping now
It's interesting that the Darkness speaks of the Cambrian Explosion as it's enactor by it's sword logic, when the Traveler/Gardener notes that it represents all life and complexity which is what the Cambrian Explosion, in all it's mysteries, represents. It was an explosion of complex lifeforms and body plans that would be inherited and adapted by multitudes of lifeforms generations later. Plus, considering it was an explosion of complexity and life, it would lend itself more to the Light's Bomb Logic would it not?
Also wanted to relay this from what I wrote on Myelin's latest and related video:
The Winnower/The Darkness/The Deep makes some compelling arguments, after all destruction and death and not inherently evil and serve as necessities. Cellular apoptosis exists in cells to prevent cancer from arising, and the death of life also serves a purpose to replenish and nourish the life that comes after it.
Yet, at the same time, as is the Winnower's penchant for reductionism, we may be only getting a distilled version of the events rather than all the nuances that perhaps the Gardener/Traveller is aware of. Remember, the Winnower/The Darkness/The Deep only sees existence as the right to exist, everything else is mostly superfluous. But the Gardener sees this as squandering a vast amount of unknown potential and what could be. The Darkness believes that if doesn't quash unworthy life the cosmos would become nothing more than an undying tumor growing endlessly and begging to die but unable to.
Yet is that absolutely the outcome that could occur? The Gardener/Traveller may, in fact, see that in the potential for life and it's complexities that other solutions could circumvent or mitigate such a grim future....that it could become something transcendent. Beyond what the two prime movers could have ever envisioned.
What if the Darkness isn't just trying to destroy the Traveller and it's works because it fears the cancerous cosmos outcome, but is afraid of being proven wrong. Remember, the sword logic is the principle it holds true and absolute....but what if it were not so? In that case, everything the Winnower/The Darkness/The Deep lives to represent would be a lie, and by it's own logic...it would be the superfluous and unnecessary one? It would have no more purpose. It could not have that.
The Gentlesaurian Velocidapper What if our paracausality was an accident. Something that defies the Light and the Dark’s logic. We can defy the unyielding entropy of the Universe, one born from chaos. Thus the Darkness like you said wishes to TAKE that away. Because when one is taken, they become causal to their masters whims. The Light did not expect it either. We were meant to just merely survive the onslaught of the Collapse not out live it become something more than that. To become Guardians, we changed the fundamentals of the Universe. The Cambrian Explosion was a defiance of nature against the logic of the Garden. Other worlds caught in the battle between the Logics have always completely collapsed from what we can tell. We as humans are special, we have a history of defiance from our greatest ancestors. It is in our genetics that gives is this paracausality. We are resilient together. The species before us and including modern day survive not because of the mutations of evolution but because of their ability to work together. The microscopic life during the Explosion survived together and so did early humans. We are paracausal because we work together not by the Logic of the Sword. We were created from the Darkness and Lights primordial war but our world specifically changed the game, forever. We can only beat the threats to our world because we are fireteams. Atheon was alone. Crota was alone. Oryx was alone. The Archeon was alone. Calus is alone. Riven was alone. Insurrection Prime was alone. Ghalran was alone. The Sanctified Mind was alone. We as Gaurdians fight together.
But that complexity would never have been realized without the sword logic's effect on the laws of nature.
Life-forms would never have needed to adapt new advantageous traits. If those without advantageous traits had not been culled by the natural processes of disease, predation, and plain and simple Inferiority to their genetic competitors.
Our mistake is seeing the light and dark as mutually exclusive. Life cannot exist without death and decay to grow from.
They need each other thus, what a relationship! 😅
I believe that like its Philosophy, the Darkness was and will forever be a simple thing as it existed for a simple purpose.
There's a shard of the traveler in the EDZ that's corrupted, but our ghost says it works together so well.. Does this development of the Darkness' backstory and this shard imply that we may have a choice in the matter of choosing the Darkness?
Iskra Lyapunova Perhaps we’re supposed to harness and wield both? Perhaps, because our Guardian was touched by the Shard that was, in turn, touched by the Darkness, there’s a little bit of the Darkness in us as well.
@@MrBoygiles Do we not already wield the powers of both? We have infinite life and yet us guardians are compelled to winnow rather than create...
Just think of Uldren.
Heh... This comment aged like the finest of wines xD
@@kaelanirevyruun1676 It really did huh?
Man the dreadnought music is still so good.
I do believe the reason the Winnower decides to directly talk to us is because it is the simplest reason to convey its messages, and why the Gardener only shares its thoughts throught visions is because it is the most complex way to do so.
Big brain
My favourite interpretation is that the Winnower talks to us in an effort to manipulate us to its side, and I'll admit it has me actually thinking about it. On the other hand the Gardener remains silent in order for us to choose our own path.
Byf in every video: "Take this with a pinch of salt"
The entire viewerbase: *"T h I s I s G o S p E l"*
Byf would be a perfect voice for the darkness
Another great episode. Quick note for your editor: your subscribe graphic at 15:22 is misspelled "subscibe". Thanks for keeping is in the know on the lore good buddy.
The one thing I love about destiny is the writing in lore and when you narrate it. 👌 masterpiece
"The Darkness" is actually The Nine. The clues are there from the music leitmotifs/callbacks to all the hints on the Eternity crucible map which is just littered with Triangles (Pyramids) and Circles (The Traveller). It's like it's telling us a story about opposites and how they simply have to exist to bring balance.
The Mindboggler no
@@isaiahling9716 yes
Byf's drum intro slaps do goddamn hard
Real quick wanted to point out that at about 3:25 you begin and misspoke and said "The dilation field yawned..." but it is actually "dilaton". This is not to be that guy, but I absolutely love your lore videos and the actual definition of "dilaton" gives so much more depth to what the light and dark are actually doing at this time with dimensions and space. Just thought you should no Byf! Keep up the awesome work!
know*
Damn three years later and I’m still amazed by the way this book was written can’t wait for lightfall
2:08 " _T_ = 0 " - on the *left* side of an *equals sign* _T_ (actually *_t_* in the International System of Units, but hey, Americans...) is the symbol for *time* - therefore " _t_ = 0 " reads as "time equals zero", the starting point for measurement of time (not necessarily _the_ starting point of _all of_ time in the Universe at the Big Bang, but the starting point of any measurement of time). In this case, however...
I love it when I see a Byf vid in my feed! Time to put on some comfy sweats, an old worn soft t-shirt, grab my drink and chill on the couch; STAY AWHILE AND LISTEN!
God damn... no matter how many times I watch your videos I can never get bored. Seriously your voice is actually hypnotizing. Love your vids to bits! Favorite part: 10:23
Byf killing the blights in the events just triggers me
The Unveiling Lore book was leaked a while ago but the last line on entry 10 gives me chills.
"The one who takes." Hmmmm.... interesting wording there, Darkness.
If only the Darkness would’ve told its cosmic mommy on the Light, none of Destiny’s continuity would have even happened.😶
The Light would be that one uptight nerd that's always the Teacher's Pet. Which makes me wonder what happens when the cosmic version of the sporty chad arrives.
It's always relaxing to listen to these videos.
I think the Winower understand the necessity of complexity but he also believe that at the end, only one true final shape will remain at the end of existence.
Interestingly, prior to the Cambrian Explosion the first major impetus in multi-cellular life and the current complexity of the biosphere is due to the endosymbiosis of the nucleus of the cell and mitochondrial cells. Whether the mitochondria first entered the eukaryotic cell due to predation of the cell on the progenitor of the mitochondrion, or whether the mitochondrion was trying to feel a predator itself, the mitochondrion ended up forming a symbiotic relationship with the nucleus allowing the cell to process oxygen to generate energy. This sudden powerhouse allowed it to flourish, and we see this today in that all complex multicellular life includes mitochondria in its cells. So the Darkness's first triumph on our world was predated by another great triumph of the Light and of cooperation. An important lesson to keep in mind for when Byf says that this cannot be taken as the whole truth, because even our own science and history proves that some of what it says is not the whole truth or is perhaps edited to make its own words more compelling...
I read the rest of Unveiling and I cannot wait for Byf and Myelin to cover it.
Every time byf says “greeting guardians” I always think of futurma’s “good news everyone!”
You ever wonder what the Hive dream about?
the things they have yet to kill
same thing for hunters, they dream of places they havent been to yet
Kermit of Rivia badass
they dream of nothing but teeth and knives
Ahnock should’ve knocked smh my head
The Winnower is certainly good at spinning its own narrative sympathetically.
I find it interesting that the winnower and the gardener are left as IT or THEY in english, while, in german at least, the winnower is spoken of as a female in these lore entries and the gardener is male.
@@maltekronschewski8097 like yin and yang
When Byf Becomes the Speaker for the traveller while also being a sassy Loremaster
I really wonder what the darkness enemy types will be... whenever IT shows up
Reskinned existing enemies like it always been😒
@@S1ickWi11e Maybe... or bungie could get creative with the darkness
@@EpslionBear L A M P
@@keelanbrucker4514 after two games, multiple dlc's and add ons, you think they would be creative? Hell they reuse the same maps and levels constantly
@@S1ickWi11e that I will agree on
You have outdone yourself; excellent work! Much for all of us to think about.
Eris is understanding and I am too... The light is not the only way, Byf. The Traveler isn't our friend...
"If the traveler was on our side why has it not told us anything? Why has it not given us any sign of why it exists. It appeared in OUR orbit and with it brought many enemies and the darkness. The darkness had made an effort already to reach out to us but our traveler still sits there dormant and quiet."
mmmm eris
This video is so good I don’t think you have to know Destiny to get the message you’re conveying.
I should be asleep, but PRIORITIES!
I like the idea of two people fighting in a garden literally rolling around in the crops. Throwing dirt and crops at each other just destroying the landscape and killing what they tried to grow. Just the thought of that and how they wrote it as the example , it's really beautiful.
There conflict is on a such a scale, i can't imagine it.
I think I'm the only Guardian who gets an itch of anxiety thinking of the vastness of the multiverse and these two beings just eradicating it with each footstep towards battle with one another..... 😬🤯💠
I get the same itch
The first gambit map has a spot on it called the garden could this relate to anything about the darkness like this so Byf sees this
This video was such a mood, I love it
That background fighting though
One thing you can tell for sure is that the darkness weaves lies into truth and that truth becomes the truth by which the darkness spreads its tendrils to beings to grow its armies. It's life versus destruction. One cannot exist without the other and the very thought that it can win is the reason why the darkness will never have what it wishes for. As you said byf. We may lose battles but the war continues.
5:18
Nice roll, I didn’t know that you could do that
All sparrows after forsaken do the rolls
oh how i miss sparrow flying
dont forget sparrow emotes, i love waving at people on sparrows to confuse them
13:55 sick flip
The scope of the war between light and dark is staggering. It's not a war raged for balance across one universe, but a multiverse of Infinite scope. Who are we Guardians to even try to fight against such an incomprehensible force?
Getting flashbacks to Babylon 5 more and more with each new communication...
Off topic. My last night, your afternoon probably, we got to do a Vex offensive together with more radoms but u left before i could type in that: "i enjoy your content, great work" so i leave it here. :)
This whole thing, especially the snake analogy, has me glancing over at the Drifter thinking, "That son of a bitch! He isn't just talking shit! He knows!"
Can we just all stop and think for a second how we work for a large cheddar cheese ball and our enemy is a bunch of cursed stale Dorito chips.
Consider what the conflict between the Light and Dark started over. A finale Pattern. A pattern must have parts, it can’t be a single thing. That means that at the end of the game some things must exist, not the nothing of the heat death of the universe. I propose that the finale arrangement isn’t nothing but it is a form of life in a society that fends off entropy. Imagine that time and entropy which are almost synonyms might be the same thing, and that it is also a flower. This means that something can survive the heat death of the universe and is effectively immortal, and are then reborn into the next universe once the Light and Dark start the game again. And I urge you to consider that the survivor could be intelligent life. For the only way to beat entropy is to continue to be reborn or to continue to birth more of yourself and build anew. Large society and knowledge might not be a product of the Light. It might be a product of the Darkness, the only way to beat time and entropy is to exist in a large society, developing new technology to reconstruct and build new the things that break. Entertainment to keep the entropy of the mind at bay. In this way weakening the individual is the only way to strengthen the whole and the whole is all that can survive entropy. A mother protects her child and that child protects their child and so on. Existing potentially forever and assuming it’s place in the finale shape. That means the things you attribute to the Light might actually be from the Darkness, they are the only things that let us exist long after everything else has died. But the Light isn’t satisfied with that outcome, it seeks change, it seeks variety. Part of that variety is the potential end of everything except entropy, it might also include the death of entropy. But that may not be a good thing, in this way a universe might break the order of nature, it could have unknownable effects on every universe in existence or it might have none at all. That is a terrible risk, freedom vs security is a common concept but it is a balance not a one sided argument.
Missing the “r” in subscribe in the banner in the bottom left towards the end of the vid. Great vid btw
That boat sparrow is ridiculous.
Great story byf . Catch u in the stars fellow guardian time serve the light
The darkness is simply trying to say that we all have the darkness inside ourselves. Just simply acknowledging it's there is all it will take for some to fall.
We all the capability to create great swathes of destruction, BUT we also can lend a hand to those in need instead.
1:10 sick roll bro
Great vid Byf!
Just a note that your pop up, during your closing statements at the end of your video, it says "subscibe" said "subscribe".
Thought I'd give you the heads up!
Am I the only one sitting there when Byf is reading the lore going “yeah yeah get to the part where you explain what this means..”? No? Just me?
It's not just that we need both light and dark to exist, we need the conflict between light and dark to exist. People seem to overlook that too often.
Is there any lore on the guardians first contact with the fallen? Or any other races?
"17 seconds ago". good timing eh?
I just hope our universe is as interesting as this is.
0:49 🎵🎶It's the cambrian explosion !🎶🎵
(history if the entire world, i guess)
The coming days will be fun
This lore is A M A Z I N G
Just wow!
I love how they’re using our real world beginnings in this part of the lore
This is why Gambit is considered the "Grey Guardian" gametype. You have Crucible, which hones your skills on being a predator, teaching you how to fight against an enemy, much like what the Darkness was saying. Then you have Strikes: where you and other guardians team up and fight against enemy forces. Gambit does both, it is the in between.
Thanks for another great video byf.
10:21 This right here. The truth that flies in the face of a dog-eat-dog universe.
I love that you paid homage to Omar by completing Pit of Heresy solo without dying using Xenophage. Bungie really should reward players who do that.
Excellent video! Also, can ya give us lore on destiny Cookbook?
Okay, okay, hear me out: a Sparrow you can ram enemies with.
Who doesn't want that?
Both I feel are right
I feel as if there should not be overwhelming light or extream darkness
The thin line is what holds the universe in balence
Those "Worms" were the Ahamkara/worm gods!
I love the like sub and notify animations near the end
Hey byf this is just my opinion. Currently I think the pyramid and The Traveler are like two kings on a chessboard. The chessboard being our universe. If you ever seen pictures of a chess match that ends in the drawer where the king puts the other king in check. If you think about it the king was sleeping. We did lose a queen. We did lose a bishop. We lost one of our rooke and had to move to the other one then we had to Castle our King. Currently if you look at the two positions of where the kings are on the board you will see it matches what I'm saying that both Kings put each other in check so only the pawns can move around. I have another theory that I want to share with you but I'm not sure how much of it will come to fruition but I want to gamble that I'm wrong.
If one is to take the inverse of the Darkness' argument, one could say the self perfecting stratagem of the light is to "Look for the helpers" in a sense. If that is the case would that make the ultimate champion of the light...Mr Rogers?
I have a crazy theory but what if the garden talked about so often is The Back Garden. In then final cutscene the Darkness speaks to us in The Black Garden so what if in all reality the Sol Divisive found the garden and ran into the Darkness while there. Due to the philosophy of the darkness it could have allowed them to turn it all Vexy.
Also, mitochondria are a giant middle finger/glaring problem with the Darkness' argument: it's a specialized sub being that provides a critical role for its host in exchange for nutrients... and also allowed for complex life.
Holy shit, the biology insights were amazing in this video jeez
Great job thank you!
I think the Witness is the one speaking in the Cambrian Explosion part of the lore
Yet another fine vid. I did have a question though. The worm gods that the Hive used to gain immortality and power were servants of the darkness. From the poem shown here, would that mean that they were the same "worms" mentioned in the "garden" that escaped first? If that was the case is it also possible that the Nine are also from the same origin. I've been out of the Destiny lore loop for a little while so I'm not completely updated on everything, but from what I remember the Nine helped the queen create a throne world just as the worms did with Oryx. I'm also curious if there's any new information concerning the nine, again I've been out of the loop recently. Any answers would be appreciated.
Its not about who you are, or what you want.
Its all about where you're going.
the longest night shall never end, light and darkness will fight each other like ice and fire only the prince who is promised, Azor Ahai is going to fullfil the prophecy he will come back and save the world once again
The darkness could be saying that it in fact was the catalyst for complexity and it was the reason for the creation of humanity as a whole, not the gardener who wanted peace and nothing more.
Im sorry but every time i see ‘cambrian explosion’ i have to sing it like the entire history of the world i guess
Dragonfire The moira main it’s the cammmmmbrian explosionnnnn