The final stanza reads "what immortal hand or eye DARE frame thy fearful symmetry?" That is a very key distinction from the opening "COULD frame thy fearful symmetry?" The question changes from can God create the Tyger to why would God even want to create the Tyger?
I really think that people like yourself doing things like this contributes a great deal to society...thanks for the information and stimulation of thought.
Mr Blake is a Lamb and a 'Mental Tyger'. It's amazing to find an artist so fierce and gentle. I've often wondered how his 'accent/ voice' would sound. Simple 'readings' of his Songs usually lack 'spirit'. The poet Ed Sanders (of the Fugs) has recorded some wonderful 'renditions' of Blake throughout his career. Allen Ginsberg tried and imo 'bombed'. Peter Brown recorded an entire album, well done yet he's somewhat disowned it. This is an enjoyable and informative lecture. thanks
I've just finished reading the white tiger by aravind adiga; now i know why he chose the white tiger as the figuration for his book on the symmetries of India. I love poetry
Interesting. In particular with relation to the line 'Could twist the sinews of thy heart'. The word 'Heart' is overlooked in most analyses of this poem, but if fits perfectly with a 'fall of Lucifer' interpretation.
I'm not sure if u have heard of or watched the show but there is a show called the mentalist and the is one episode when the shows main serial killer tells this poem very ominously to a cop whose wife and daughter were killed by this serial killer but he doesn't say the whole poem he finishes after the first mentioning of symmetry. Do u know why or how that could pertain to the show?
The symmetry line is a break in the pattern. It is jarring. The Tyger may be indicative of man after the fall, and so by ending here, you remove the second half of the poem which explains how man came to be this way. The first half just shows man already like this, which may be the character’s attempt at claiming he is fallen and was created like this, rather than acknowledging it was his own decisions that led him here. I haven’t seen it so this is my best guess.
Well, we talked about it on class. And it is rather obvious in a sense.. making several references (anvil, furnace etc.) to industrialism at that time. I mean..industrialism was rising in England and many people frightened it... hence the romanticism (escape to nature) in the beginning of the 19th century. And also the fact that the Tyger is in the forest of the night.. standing out from the surroundings... like man-made creations stand out in nature. The distinction between culture and nature.
He ends the final verse with "DARE frame thy fearful symmetry" as he has moved on from his origional question of "who COULD do it", but yeah, not a bad glance at the poem, my dude
What happened to katiegreenaway? I'd love to see her art! P.S. The "Lamb" is clearly a reference to the Lamb of God, as well as to the gentle lamb in Blake's own poem, The Lamb. But that doesn't mean the tyger is evil - just fearful.
Blake systematically rejected the traditional doctrine of Christianity. The point of The Tyger is to undermine the simplistic message behind his poem: The Lamb. On another level, the purpose of the archaic spelling of the tyger casts dispersion over whether it actually is a tiger. He wants the reader to draw a link between the tyger and the potential of the human imagination, portraying it as something to be simultaneously feared and admired.
Sir, could you please further explain the couplet "eye" and "simmetry"? Some people force "eye" into a rhyme, while some other force "simmetry". Please, which one is correct?
the ending stanza is not exactly the same as the beginning. Its "what immortal had or eye DARE frame thy fearful symmetry." The word "dare" in that context is so significant. It's almost as if Blake challenges God, himself, with the purpose of his new creation.
And i'm saying that it does represent evil in a way. Evil is just a word. A definition. And it can be represented as 1 of 2 parts of a "fearful symmetry". The Lamb and The Tyger are metaphores of how we normally see the world. I think is a criticism on religious point of view.
Dear Sir, I enjoyed your brief discussion of William Blake's poem "Tiger" and particularly the sound of "eye" (long e) to rhyme with symmetry (long e). This is how Blake and his contemporaries would have pronounced these words? I must disagree on one point you make however regarding what Blake is "asking us to do." IF he's asking anything he's not asking us what the Tiger "represents" as you say but rather who (or what) created the Tiger: "What immortal hand or eye"? The Tiger is the artwork.
The force which shapes is evolution (based on competition like capitalism). What the force most rewards is predatory ability (which is why we build gleaming war birds). That which has risen to the top of the evolutionary fray is the Anunnaki (whose war-like ways wise peoples seek to emulate)
how is something created with experience o.O being ferocious is one thing..it is a natural quality of the tiger....but experience??? experience comes with living for crying out loud!
Nice vid! This is an invitation to see an artist theory on the physics of light and time! This theory is based on two postulates 1. Is that the quantum wave particle function Ψ represents the forward passage of time ∆E ∆t ≥ h/2π itself 2. Is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π that is formed by the w- function is the same uncertainty we have with any future event that we can interact with turning the possible into the actual!
The Tyger in this poem, I believe, stands for evil. The same God Who made good, also made evil. This is the dilemma of Blake. It is interesting that he uses "the lamb" as a contrast. The lamb is also a symbol of Jesus Christ, (the sacrificial lamb) who died for the sins (evil) of the entire world. I do not know if this was Blake's intent, but it is interesting nonetheless.
RIEN NEVER JAMAIS CHANGES, NOT EVEN LE CLIMATE MAIS DERRIÈRE LA GRILLE THERE IS A GARDEN - BEYOND THE FLIEGENDE HOLLÄNDER THERE IS LE FUTUR PASSÉ OF 2016 Lucretia LA NOTTE Jacques COULARDEAU THE TYGER (from Songs Of Experience) By William Blake Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye Could frame thy fearful symmetry? In what distant deeps or skies Burnt the fire of thine eyes? On what wings dare he aspire? What the hand dare sieze the fire? And what shoulder, & what art. Could twist the sinews of thy heart? And when thy heart began to beat, What dread hand? & what dread feet? What the hammer? what the chain? In what furnace was thy brain? What the anvil? what dread grasp Dare its deadly terrors clasp? When the stars threw down their spears, And watered heaven with their tears, Did he smile his work to see? Did he who made the Lamb make thee? Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye Dare frame thy fearful symmetry? 1794
Interesting but one thing is wrong - you made a mistake reading the last line of the poem: DARE frame thy fearful symmetry... And are you sure that your pronunciation of EYE (like EEE) is possible?
Sir, I'm pretty sure the pronunciation of "eye" has been /ai/ since the Great Vowel Shift. You probably wanted to squeeze that in here in order to get a rhyme. The thing is,I think,that he didn't want to rhyme it. He was all about the yin-yang kind of stuff, the symmetry of the asymmetrical. What is really fascinating here is that the word "symmetrie" existed back then and he could in fact have rhymed "eye" with it. But he chose not to. What I think supports this claim nicely is the fact that the word we're talking about here is "symmetry" itself. It can't be a coincidence.
I initially thought "symmetrie" (pronounced: symmetr-eye) as well. But that is a good point you make about the idea that God has made both a lamb and a tiger; you can't get more asymmetric than that. . . . . but from a musical point of view it has to rhyme or it hurts my ears. . . . . maybe it's supposed to hurt, lol. . . . maybe Blake is taking a shot at God. It's a Billy Blake Blasphemy for sure.
I am really no specialist on the question, but I stumbled upon this comment from another youtube video about this poem which I thought to be interesting. th-cam.com/video/fXsiW7A--dY/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugg2oFmq3Hlkg3gCoAEC.8IcfJwTY8sy8gWE9uKGuh5 Basically it says that in some parts of the UK 'eye' is/was pronounced 'ee'.
You're not blocked yet because of your wonderful dragon--Blake was a marvelous graphics artists as well.. I'm not surprised you have communicted with Blake. I believe he thought he saw God looking in through the window when he was a child. Also I believe you're quite right on fearful. It is fearful not fearsome. Yu should post some of your W.B. inspired work. The invisible worm that flies in the night? But then it is invisible. At any rate, more art.
you dont want to see one get over the chicken wire when your in the zoo. safely say its as much use to you as a plane with a seatbelt.going down. great poem.
This is a misunderstood reading . I'm sure that blake did not consider god like this . It's about revolution, and individual freedom and siezing power - hence the prometheus allusion, it represtentes the french revolution which as we know ended dissapointingly (for the romantics) in terror - and the tyger was often used as a metaphor for this in the british press. scholars ( see Alfred Kazin). Blake would have hated how some Christiand twist his genius to fit their own ideology..
Calling Blake the first British socialist Perhaps?... lol I was thinking the meaning behind the chains. Perhaps Blake is at awe yet disgusted that we are able to hold such power behind chains and the cages made by blacksmiths. So many times a few people are able to control so many but sometimes all hell breaks loose and we have a Revolution Viva La France!!!
the way you present the video is awkward, also the point you are making sounds strange because of the way you are telling it, but it has helped me in my research of this poem
The final stanza reads "what immortal hand or eye DARE frame thy fearful symmetry?" That is a very key distinction from the opening "COULD frame thy fearful symmetry?" The question changes from can God create the Tyger to why would God even want to create the Tyger?
2019 and still very informative! Thank you, very good teaching.
I really think that people like yourself doing things like this contributes a great deal to society...thanks for the information and stimulation of thought.
This guy is Red John!!!!!!!
2018 and still laugh every time I see ur comment
Christmas, 2020, still funny 😂
The Mentalist!!!
Mr Blake is a Lamb and a 'Mental Tyger'.
It's amazing to find an artist so fierce and gentle.
I've often wondered how his 'accent/ voice'
would sound. Simple 'readings' of his Songs
usually lack 'spirit'. The poet Ed Sanders
(of the Fugs) has recorded some wonderful
'renditions' of Blake throughout his career.
Allen Ginsberg tried and imo 'bombed'.
Peter Brown recorded an entire album,
well done yet he's somewhat disowned it.
This is an enjoyable and informative lecture.
thanks
Very nice. Thanks for the short lecture, very succinct and well put!
a very interesting explanation of a poem!
I've just finished reading the white tiger by aravind adiga; now i know why he chose the white tiger as the figuration for his book on the symmetries of India. I love poetry
Thanks for your remark. In fact, the information on Blake, the Tiger and the Tower of London was taken from the history pages of the London Zoo site.
I thought the tiger was a metaphor for the fallen Lucifer,
Just my opinion
I could be wrong
Interesting. In particular with relation to the line 'Could twist the sinews of thy heart'. The word 'Heart' is overlooked in most analyses of this poem, but if fits perfectly with a 'fall of Lucifer' interpretation.
Blake was also very well into Milton's Paradise Lost, having illustrated it.
Thank you for this video, it really helped me a lot.
絵描きって、表面的なビジュアルに多大なクオリティを追加する
ケーキで言えば、「デコレーション」職種。
なのである意味重要で人生を豊かにする
街をきらびやかに彩る職種なんだけど
胸張って絵描き自慢してもいいけどね。
一般的に、貧乏で、財政に余裕がなくなっていく世界では
デコレーション部分は切り捨てられるんだよ。
だからウィリアムブレイクの時代は
絵描きが「写真」の代わりに技術者として必須だったので
うらやましいわけです。
Thank you, your videos are really helpful.
it ends with what immortal hand or eye Dare frame thy fearful symmetry
eye within the eye: insight.......humblest obeisances....to err is not to be human, to be an error is to be human
don't have the full version of the video?
I'm not sure if u have heard of or watched the show but there is a show called the mentalist and the is one episode when the shows main serial killer tells this poem very ominously to a cop whose wife and daughter were killed by this serial killer but he doesn't say the whole poem he finishes after the first mentioning of symmetry. Do u know why or how that could pertain to the show?
The symmetry line is a break in the pattern. It is jarring. The Tyger may be indicative of man after the fall, and so by ending here, you remove the second half of the poem which explains how man came to be this way. The first half just shows man already like this, which may be the character’s attempt at claiming he is fallen and was created like this, rather than acknowledging it was his own decisions that led him here. I haven’t seen it so this is my best guess.
@leewilk100 I totally agree and he was also taking it further - to represent India itself.
A MUST for 'Blake Lovers' is the talk by Shri Mataji public programme 'Blake's Vision' here on YT!
絵の依頼人に注文されたけど、描く気力無くなって、依頼絵まだ渡してない。なんていうか書く気力無くなる理由は
世界の動乱を調査して自分の生活も守れないなと思い
生活防衛のための努力が先にあり
動乱の世界で絵描きなんかやってられるかよ」的な感覚もあり
結構つらいな。
安定した社会じゃないと、Gameや漫画や絵を安心して描けなくなる。
こんな世界情勢で落ち着いて絵やら創作活動やれてる人は
よほど、無防備か、無知かなんかで危機管理できてない人だろう。
could it be that the "symmetry" blake refers to is actually a hint to the lamb as the opposite yet complementary creature to the tiger itself
Well, we talked about it on class. And it is rather obvious in a sense.. making several references (anvil, furnace etc.) to industrialism at that time. I mean..industrialism was rising in England and many people frightened it... hence the romanticism (escape to nature) in the beginning of the 19th century.
And also the fact that the Tyger is in the forest of the night.. standing out from the surroundings... like man-made creations stand out in nature. The distinction between culture and nature.
Did he who made 'The Lamb' make Thee?
いいなー。ブレイクの時代1700年代はまだ写真技術が無く、
画家」が本当に技術者として存在できた時期。必須の職業だった。
今は、絵描きといえば、大手のゲーム会社に就職するには
絵画の賞歴は必須だけど(賞歴なかったら大手に入社できないから）
でも絵描きの賞の肩書が重要で、就職できるのは
ゲーム系、映像系くらいかな。
他広告系のグラフィックデザイナーは、
絵描きというにはちょっと足らずデザイン系だから。
（まあ芸大出身者はデザイナーになるよね。）
絵描きで成り立ってた時代に生まれたら楽だった。
エッチングと絵描きで技術者として成り立つ。
なんか絵描きってビジュアルupさせるための重要なポジションなのに
バカにされるからね。
勘違いされてね。
現在芸大の技術使うに３Ｄ職はいいけどね。デッサン必須だから。
でも３Ｄはアートとしてはどうも使えないという
リアリズムの追及にはいいけど。という感じだったし
リアル追及ならば、もう3Dプリンターで丸ごと世界を
スキャンして作ればいいだけなので
(大金かかるから３Dスキャンはまあ現実的じゃないけど）
そういうの意味ないから
アートとしては成り立たないし。
アーティストっていうのが疲れるわ。
絵描きの賞歴はけっこう重要なんだけど
デザイナー職にとっては箔が付くから。
だけどね。絵描きだけで成り立つかというと
結構大変なんだよね。
ユダヤ人だったら絵描きだけでもなりたつけどね。
He ends the final verse with "DARE frame thy fearful symmetry" as he has moved on from his origional question of "who COULD do it", but yeah, not a bad glance at the poem, my dude
What happened to katiegreenaway? I'd love to see her art!
P.S. The "Lamb" is clearly a reference to the Lamb of God, as well as to the gentle lamb in Blake's own poem, The Lamb. But that doesn't mean the tyger is evil - just fearful.
Blake systematically rejected the traditional doctrine of Christianity. The point of The Tyger is to undermine the simplistic message behind his poem: The Lamb. On another level, the purpose of the archaic spelling of the tyger casts dispersion over whether it actually is a tiger. He wants the reader to draw a link between the tyger and the potential of the human imagination, portraying it as something to be simultaneously feared and admired.
I'm saying that it is neither evil nor a metaphor for evil. Have a look at Samdathi's post below.
Sir, could you please further explain the couplet "eye" and "simmetry"? Some people force "eye" into a rhyme, while some other force "simmetry". Please, which one is correct?
the ending stanza is not exactly the same as the beginning. Its "what immortal had or eye DARE frame thy fearful symmetry." The word "dare" in that context is so significant. It's almost as if Blake challenges God, himself, with the purpose of his new creation.
And i'm saying that it does represent evil in a way. Evil is just a word. A definition. And it can be represented as 1 of 2 parts of a "fearful symmetry". The Lamb and The Tyger are metaphores of how we normally see the world. I think is a criticism on religious point of view.
Good sir
thank you
Dear Sir, I enjoyed your brief discussion of William Blake's poem "Tiger" and particularly the sound of "eye" (long e) to rhyme with symmetry (long e). This is how Blake and his contemporaries would have pronounced these words? I must disagree on one point you make however regarding what Blake is "asking us to do." IF he's asking anything he's not asking us what the Tiger "represents" as you say but rather who (or what) created the Tiger: "What immortal hand or eye"? The Tiger is the artwork.
The force which shapes is evolution (based on competition like capitalism). What the force most rewards is predatory ability (which is why we build gleaming war birds). That which has risen to the top of the evolutionary fray is the Anunnaki (whose war-like ways wise peoples seek to emulate)
Lamb could also be a symbol of an ordinary man, as opposed to great tiger-like entrepreneurs, who dare to do anything to seize more money and power.
how is something created with experience o.O being ferocious is one thing..it is a natural quality of the tiger....but experience??? experience comes with living for crying out loud!
Nice vid!
This is an invitation to see an artist theory on the physics of light and time!
This theory is based on two postulates
1. Is that the quantum wave particle function Ψ represents the forward passage of time ∆E ∆t ≥ h/2π itself
2. Is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π that is formed by the w- function is the same uncertainty we have with any future event that we can interact with turning the possible into the actual!
If you are here, at 21/01/21 1:30PM UK Time, I know you.
I was talking to classmates in my school
English lesson -_-
ok cool :)
i like to see you make a better explanation
The Tyger in this poem, I believe, stands for evil. The same God Who made good, also made evil. This is the dilemma of Blake. It is interesting that he uses "the lamb" as a contrast. The lamb is also a symbol of Jesus Christ, (the sacrificial lamb) who died for the sins (evil) of the entire world. I do not know if this was Blake's intent, but it is interesting nonetheless.
I memorized this poem last night, its so beautiful!
thats debatable
I'm saying that it doesn't represent evil.
Before I was still born
RIEN NEVER JAMAIS CHANGES,
NOT EVEN LE CLIMATE
MAIS DERRIÈRE LA GRILLE
THERE IS A GARDEN -
BEYOND THE FLIEGENDE HOLLÄNDER
THERE IS LE FUTUR PASSÉ
OF 2016
Lucretia LA NOTTE
Jacques COULARDEAU
THE TYGER (from Songs Of Experience)
By William Blake
Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare sieze the fire?
And what shoulder, & what art.
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?
What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?
When the stars threw down their spears,
And watered heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?
Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
1794
'What immaartal hand or eeee' ?! I think not, he was born in Soho!!
Interesting but one thing is wrong - you made a mistake reading the last line of the poem: DARE frame thy fearful symmetry... And are you sure that your pronunciation of EYE (like EEE) is possible?
Sir, I'm pretty sure the pronunciation of "eye" has been /ai/ since the Great Vowel Shift. You probably wanted to squeeze that in here in order to get a rhyme. The thing is,I think,that he didn't want to rhyme it. He was all about the yin-yang kind of stuff, the symmetry of the asymmetrical. What is really fascinating here is that the word "symmetrie" existed back then and he could in fact have rhymed "eye" with it. But he chose not to. What I think supports this claim nicely is the fact that the word we're talking about here is "symmetry" itself. It can't be a coincidence.
I initially thought "symmetrie" (pronounced: symmetr-eye) as well. But that is a good point you make about the idea that God has made both a lamb and a tiger; you can't get more asymmetric than that. . . . . but from a musical point of view it has to rhyme or it hurts my ears. . . . . maybe it's supposed to hurt, lol. . . . maybe Blake is taking a shot at God. It's a Billy Blake Blasphemy for sure.
I am really no specialist on the question, but I stumbled upon this comment from another youtube video about this poem which I thought to be interesting.
th-cam.com/video/fXsiW7A--dY/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugg2oFmq3Hlkg3gCoAEC.8IcfJwTY8sy8gWE9uKGuh5
Basically it says that in some parts of the UK 'eye' is/was pronounced 'ee'.
interesting.
Thanks so much for opening my brain...I mean eyes! :-)
Hey Elijah
You're not blocked yet because of your wonderful dragon--Blake was a marvelous graphics artists as well.. I'm not surprised you have communicted with Blake. I believe he thought he saw God looking in through the window when he was a child. Also I believe you're quite right on fearful. It is fearful not fearsome. Yu should post some of your W.B. inspired work. The invisible worm that flies in the night? But then it is invisible. At any rate, more art.
The Tyger isn't evil.
... it stands for us ... the humans ... it stands for balance ... I know its strange but it reminds me Epicuroses Paradox -.-
o really nice!
mattia neri
you dont want to see one get over the chicken wire when your in the zoo. safely say its as much use to you as a plane with a seatbelt.going down. great poem.
danbit5 Yes
Look at Samdathi's comments on this page.
Veri gud video, espescialli i liked the part When william blake Saw de Tiger in the torre of londra recommend it!!
IN the forest? hint? think they run about india?
Its a metaphor...
This is a misunderstood reading . I'm sure that blake did not consider god like this . It's about revolution, and individual freedom and siezing power - hence the prometheus allusion, it represtentes the french revolution which as we know ended dissapointingly (for the romantics) in terror - and the tyger was often used as a metaphor for this in the british press. scholars ( see Alfred Kazin).
Blake would have hated how some Christiand twist his genius to fit their own ideology..
Calling Blake the first British socialist Perhaps?... lol I was thinking the meaning behind the chains. Perhaps Blake is at awe yet disgusted that we are able to hold such power behind chains and the cages made by blacksmiths. So many times a few people are able to control so many but sometimes all hell breaks loose and we have a Revolution Viva La France!!!
for more ... youtube:"The Riddle of Epicurus"
the way you present the video is awkward, also the point you are making sounds strange because of the way you are telling it, but it has helped me in my research of this poem
Yall pray.....
Blind gatesmen dare thine seave the ire. trojan guardsmen. the axe, and seeing.
I mean, is a fact that The Tyger isn't evil. But, not literally speaking, as a metaphor it represents evil. Its just a matter of semantics...
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I'd really avoid. Waste of five minutes, sorry.
ok
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