The Shoot Down (Episode 14)
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- If MH370 didn’t fly into the southern Indian Ocean but instead wound up in Kazakhstan, that implied that Russia was behind a sophisticated hijacking plot. Intrigued by the presence on the flight manifest of three Russian-speaking passengers, Jeff had already hired researchers in Russia and Ukraine to look into their background when he learned on July 17, 2014, that one of MH370’s 14 sister aircraft, a 777 operating as Flight MH17, had been shot down over eastern Ukraine. Jeff immediately suspected a possible link between the fate of the two flights, but at first, aviation experts and political pundits alike were convinced that the shoot-down had been a mistake and could not possibly have been connected to MH370’s vanishing. In time, however, powerful evidence emerged that undermined those early assumptions. More info at deepdivemh370.com.
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International woman’s day has been around for ages, even here in Africa.
Hi Andy and Jeff. I have just started to listen to your podcast a week ago and am very much enjoying listening to your explanations of everything. One thing you didn't know is 8 th of March . I grew up in Former Yugoslavia and 8th March was always celebrated as a international women's day /a mothers day. It was a big deal for women overthere and it still is for me now. I am now in Melbourne Australia (since1989) and people here never paid attention to this date until recently, but i like not to work on this day , go for a walk, have a coffee with my mum and daughter.
Yeesh, March 8th is not a valentine's day-like holiday. Come on guys, you're better than that.
It's a day when you take the most important woman/women in your life out to dinner, no?
@@DeepDiveMH370 Yes, it is.
There are other traditions too, and it depends where you are. In Kazakhstan, for example, if you work in an office, you might find that all the men in the office put some money in a hat to buy flowers for the women who work there.
It also has a romantic dimension to it in some countries. Not an exact equivalent to Valentine's Day, but you could definitely think of it as having *aspects* of both Valentine's Day and Mother's Day. And a dinner is frequently part of it.
As I said, the traditions vary a lot from country to country. So I'm not saying that Kim Lerner is wrong at all - she's probably just experienced the holiday in different places than I have. But in any case, your descriptions seemed pretty fair to me :-)
And only one country celebrates july 4 or Thanksgiving in November for that matter. Different cultures, different emphasis on holidays.
@@DeepDiveMH370 but the history of it is not a romantic one but a political one. Women marched on march 8th 1911 in New York to protest precarious working conditions: it was a socialist movement magnified by the fact that on 25th March that year 146 women workers died in a New York factory, giving the 8th March as Women's day for the following years a stronger momentum.
Appreciate you guys going into alternative theories, hard to find any informed speculation. The connections are strange, I've always thought so....
This one was really good. Keep going!
Thank you!
If somebody got down into that vulnerability there's no chance they would know how to fly the plane from there. That level of expertise would take years to learn there would need to be a pre programmed device they could plug in and take over and fly the plane this sort of device would only have a chance of existing by intelligence agency's etc countries
You need to approach the problem by trying to answer the evidence of the SDU power interruption. The only logical explanation is an intentional action by one or more people on the flight. It is known that this can be accomplished from the EE-Bay. There has been a suggestion that this can also be easily done by initiating shut down of generators for both engines from the forward cockpit panel- No proof of the claim has been provided though, and the other option- isolating the Left Bus is more complex and would have an unknown number of consequences to various systems.
I don’t think the hack is impossible. but I don’t have any idea of “why”. Crazy expensive to invent and perfect this hack, and you only get to use it once…!
Awesome work.
But International woman's day is not a communist socialist thing and is certainly not like valentine's day.
It's a day to fight for women's rights all over the world. The corporate world is profiting off of it, but it's a serious thing.
Comparing it to valentine's day is like saying MLK day is just another Kwanzaa 😳😀
That was a very interesting and involving episode. Thank you. It's impossible for me not to have the position that it is likely Russia was involved.
Could you please do me a favour, Andy, and tell me if that video backdrop of yours is green screen or if it is actually your real studio / office? I really can't tell and it has been driving me bananas. I think it's not going to be corporate secret stuff (!) so pls put me out of my misery. 😊
That’s my real podcast studio in my basement. My actual office is bigger but doesn’t have acoustic shielding for podcasting. I’m still working on some of the decorating touches. And thanks for the compliment!
-Andy
the most elegant & greatest mystery in aviation history
Hey Jeff, I just tried to buy Fatal Descent. It’s not available in Kindle format, just kindle unlimited, MP3CD and audible. Is Amazon planning to sell it as a single kindle book? Or a printed book?
I'm sorry you had that trouble. I wrote Fatal Descent under contract to Amazon so have left it up to them what format they want to make it available in. But perhaps there's a way I could make it available as a Kindle or printed book... let me check. /JW
I understand the seriousness of the use of the missile launcher upon Malaysian Mh17 and what you're saying about the chain of command made from real time, live access to the network of military sky defence information. That's a very important point which you make about the seriousness of the attack and its very specific nature, regarding a Malaysian plane.
A long time ago, actually the Cold War was still going, I remember I discussed with others that the country Malaysia, a Muslim country, would be the prime choice for the old Soviets to strike - or better their assets (we actually discussed Malaysian airplanes) tactically. Malaysia is not a western country, so Russia would probably avoid a retaliatory strike and any move towards war in retaliation. At the same time, Malaysia is considered enough of an ally to the west for this to be a symbolic, threatening strike and show of what can easily be "on offer" in this kind of assymetrical warfare.
However, out of interest, as it seems Mh17 had it's transponder working as usual, do you know if the plane was also shown on the various, open access, online flight trackers?
Pretty poor that you haven't heard of International Women's Day, guys. Even worse that you assume that its just big in Russia and Ukraine. The clue is in the word International!!!
I first heard of International Women's Day in 2014 when it was given as the reason why Nikolai Brodsky left his diving trip in Bali early. Since then, I've heard it talked about in other contexts in the United States. But it seems to me that it has only started to catch on here in the US in the last few years. There's still no social expectation that people should celebrate it in some particular way, as there is in the former Soviet Union. /JW
I first heard of it in 2017, I believe. -Andy
@@DeepDiveMH370I am from Argentina and we celebrated it at school when we were kids, and along with it remembered also 25th of March 1911 when 140 women were burnt to death at a New York factory. When I was a kid 8th of March was related to 25 March. Historically, in socialist history, they were also related. It's similar to May Day, which I think in the US and UK has less socialist connotations because it's a capitalist country, but in the rest of the world 1st of May is not just 'May Day' but International Workers Day, maintaining socialist connotations. Even in Spain where I live 8th of March is celebrated, also 1st May. They even make big street celebrations/demonstrations about 8th March. It's kind of embarrassing that you assume just because something is not celebrated in the US, that it doesn't exist in the rest of the world or that is not just as important or relevant elsewhere.
So if MH370 and MH17 were sister planes was there something unique to them that someone took advantage of? Could that thing have been hidden by shooting down MH17?
That's a great question, and one I don't know the answer to. /JW
And why do you think US dint do the same thing?
Sorry, didn't do the same what? /JW
@@DeepDiveMH370 hijacked the plane and took it somewhere?
I asked this question many times over the course of the series but it seems for them only Russia could have hickjacked a plane because they are always the baddies arent't they. US military obviously too retarded or goodhearted to be be able to pull this off.
@@dipankarmajumder6217 I asked the same question over the course of the series but seems that only the awful Russians can hijack a plane...
who was in the mh17? do we know all the passengers? how long did it took for the international team to reach the mh17 crash zone?
All the passengers on MH17 were identified, as far as I know there weren't any of such significance that their presence on board seems like to have been a factor in the shoot-down. It did take a while for international observers to get access to the crash site... /JW
I'm sorry but I gotta say,... have enjoyed this podcast so far at least. Have always been real impressed with Jeff Wise. When MH370 first became a huge story I always was drawn in by you Jeff. And I, like many couldn't get enough about the mystery. But this would be sooo much more enjoyable if you were not constantly being interrupted and talked over by the other guy... (Andy..) Again, kudos to BOTH the gentlemen on a great job. And I mean NO harm. Is just VERY noticeable. :) Looking fwd to the rest of it. Am just sorry I didn't kno about it sooner. Cheerz!.... and thank you.
Well, then it would a one-person monologue! -Andy
Russians?
What about the 20 free scale semi conductors employees. 20 extremely important people
Interesting video but with all respect I think you should do some more homework regarding MH17, a lot of facts are known but not mentioned in the mainstrean media and also not part of the official report published by the JIT, for example the ingoing and outgoing 30mm holes. I can also tell you that the whole trial in NL (I'm living in NL) was one big show to coverup the truth. I've gone through loads of videos, articles, books and so on, yeah sure I know everything can be faked (same for MH370) and Its hard to find what's true and what's not. Just saying that, I wouldn't even trust Bellingcat, the best place tp put fake videos and pictures and lies on is social media. For me the main questions like, why deviation from flight route, flight level and why flying over a warzone, who benefits the most from shooting down MH17, I doubt that's Russia, it can only harm them. Why was Ukraine part of the investigation team, very weird as they could be the culprits, same day the US said Putin did it without any investigation. Lots of questions still unanswered. Putting all the information with the highest possible 'true' level from different sources (even from you) together, for me there is a high possibility that MH370 and MH17 are related to each other, there are too many coincidences, I don't believe in coincidence, and even maybe a third sold Malasian 777 (MRI) to GA Telesis and three abandoned 747's !!!! at Kuala Lumpur airport as well, but I must admit that's conspiracy.
My first thought was why the hell would you fly over a potential war zone?
You mean MH17? /JW
Polonium? After the ex Russian spy died Arafat's widow had him dug up and he tested positive for Polonium.
Doesn't polonium work slowly, perhaps not giving signs which are too noticeable (except maybe to trained people) until a day or two later?
@@lecochonbleu 22 days for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko despite active treatment.
@@maschwab63 Oh thank you for that. Very interesting.