The Bane 7 is what you bring when you want to tell someone that you don't want to be friends anymore but can't find the right words. On an unrelated note, what's Thom up to this weekend? Want to get in a game before Christmas?
I feel like the motto of the Bane 7 is: there's no kill like overkill. The HAGs make the Bane 7 not only extremely capable of dealing with other Mechs, but it can also easily take care of aircraft, tanks, and infantry. This makes it quite useful in dealing with the sort of combined arms threats that are common on Dark Age and ilClan era battlefields. As long as it doesn't get head-capped or knocked out by a lucky TAC it should do well, but it is a high risk, high reward Mech putting a large percentage of your BV into a single Mech. About the only thing that might give the Bane 7 some trouble is an Assault Mech with Ballistic Reinforced Armor to mitigate the damage from the HAGs, like the AS8-K or MAD-8K. The Bane 3 has 8 LRM15s, so it can literally launch a ton of ammo at an opponent with every LRM salvo.
Wowza! Poor Dan, but I do want to watch that engagement. And, let Dan find it on guard duty with its twin... Hoot! ;-) Happy Holidays Aaron! Thanks again for the great content. Especially these new ears, I have little to no idea about them, so very entertaining & educational.
Defensive id want to see a couple ams to prevent people from bringing the equivalent to archer spam to counter it. Its hard to shoot things when there is hard cover and you are at a deficit in mobility.
Ok ive thought about it , take like 4 Nisos WiGes (will be close on BV with 3/4 pilots) swarm the left side give it the plasma and SRM 6s and hope for a through armour critical on the HAG ammo , although even with the 2 engine crits and removing a HAG/40 its still going make a pair of Nisos regret their life decisions if the +5 dont work
I am currently doing a Hinterlands campaign where I'm playing Jiyi Christu's Falcons and I have a Kraken 7 in my star and it is routinely the best member of the squad. It makes my forces basically immune to aerospace attacks. I've been using campaign ops and SPAs which made me give the pilot Sandblaster which makes it routinely hit with 32-40 per HAG and it just eats through ppl. I actually got to a point where I wanted to end my campaign (the Lyrans come calling with a RCT) and the Kraken has made it through 2 full engagements vs 1.2xBV units netting 7 kills and winning both
If you are flabergasted by the Bane 7, i would love to see you run the Bane 3 through the battlytics. That is assuming the math model takes into account ammo slots being consumed each turn. If not then the defensive analysis could likely show higher than factual ammo hits. The Bane 3 is a monstrosity of damage dealing. 76 average alpha each turn (and on an average of sixteen hit locations), from 21" down to 1", for 16 turns. It fires a literal ton (120) of LRMs each turn.
Hah! The defensive sim is purely defensive - too many “what ifs” around who shot what when on the target side… you never know when that through armor crit will hit on turn 1 😆
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming I could totally see that. Also I love your battletech videos, great stuff, and your battylitics format and math Sim model is very well put together, I've been devouring these recently. Thanks!
This type load-out where you just watch the world burn and laugh about it. Some people will love it and some hate it. Smoke Jaguar for life… it’s to late for me I already drank that kool aid😈
Im looking forward to the plastic, Ive got the IWM one and its a chonky boi. 😂 Do you ever run custom mechs on the battlelytics in your free time? Ive got a couple builds that seem too good but only been able to test them on MegaMek. And of theres no more vids in '23 happy new year to you and the DFA crew! 🎉
never tried ilclan era yet, me and my gaming group either use clan invasion or civil war . This mech looks like fun haha ! nice video! keep em coming! also, patron for life, Override is the best system ;-)
This mech, especially at gunnery 2 is seeing all your eggs in one basket. The issue is the through armors, and head hots happen, and bringing one of these is crossing our fingers your opponent can't high roll. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing mech, and it's a tank of a mech, but it makes a glass cannon of a list. PS: I wanted to see the base Bane (1) Battlytics so much more! That or the tears of the Bane 4 (the disappointment)...
@@HouseMasterPoDing 🤣 Correctly identifying you as Faith McClosky/AceKaller/J is trolling? Lol How many identities do you need, basement dweller? And why, I wonder? Is it because you're a terrible person that has no hope of ever ridding your horrendous reputation, no matter what you call yourself?
@@HouseMasterPoDing Pretty good it seems. Still selling books. Still doing interviews. Still making money. You failed. I'm sure you seethe about it every night as you shake your fist at the restraining order set against you. So what's with the House Master Po Ding anyway? What was wrong with Ace Kaller?
Excellent video. I'm interested in how the Bane 3 ( 8XLRM-15) variant would do. It's almost 800 BV less. As for the 7- there comes a point at which you have to seriously consider whether or not a unit is worth it's cost. Unless it's a HUGE battle it's over that limit IMHO. Yes it's great at killing other mechs but in an overall battle it has no other utility. It lacks the speed to get anywhere and uses up a LOT of BV in a single location. It almost seems to define the attitude that is why the Clans got their buts kicked in the original invasion in the first place.
Great insight - not to mention all the eggs in one basket kind of thing. A lucky gauss headshot knocking out 70% of your BV is a bad day haha. I like to have more balanced forces - so agree with you. Unless its a HUGE battle, it seems impractical.
This is true, but there is also the chance that it just Ala-ka-blam's anything that comes into range with a LPL and dual HAG 40's. Go ahead, send in 3 wolverines.
Would have been more curious to see the Bane 1 and the wysiwyg ilClan version with the protomech ACs compared. Big numbers are fun, but those two are travesties of Clan assaults.
I havn't use the Bane 7 how ever I play a game not to long ago with my custom Highlander IIC it was a 4 v 1 my Highland IIC is equipped with 1 clan gauss, 3 clan LPLasers, 1 lrm 15 artemis with 16 Double Heat Sink and Endo Steel for a base cost of 3026 bv in this game i ran it at gunnery 0 and may have goten the bv calculations a bit wrong but i payed 5534 bv for it
Disgusting. I never really got into the post FedCom Civil War. My groups got the Total Warfare book and just stuck to the civil war era or before. I was fine with this, in part, because the new technologies were so rarely improvements. I recall long math-heavy debates on how light PPCs, MMLs, etc. were just occupying unique niches, rather than supplanting any of the older weapons. It did not seem fun to endlessly agonize over whether I wanted to do 5 damage more efficiently at close range or mid-range. Well. I think I missed a trick with the HAGs. They have the odd (more in that no other weapon has the rule) cluster penalty in the long bracket (and bonus in short)...but who cares? a 5 results in as many hits as a 7! Sure, the expected damage takes a hit. But not by nearly as much as would happen if the plateau did not extend that far. If I ever play in the later eras I will need to bring some of these to the party.
The HAG is my favorite weapon in Battletech due to the fan game MW:LL (it's just a giant machine gun with a great sound effect). I would field this monstrosity, mostly as a statement but i also think this would make a great big baddie at the end of a battletech TTRPG campaign, notes are being taken.
18:27 i know the Awesome is well err awesome and you use it for the survivability test yes ? Does it have too much peircing and no crit seeking ? Because Clanners go down to crits big time , line those couple lucky gyro hits really hurt Clanners with their lesser numbers , same with lucky ammo hits in side torsos from the side or from floating criticals ......... Even this monstrosity looks less scary starting on 10 heat and sans the weapons on one side , hell a lucky hit on that Ammo in the right torso its basically a 4000-5000 possibly more BV HAG/40 you could probably ignore from then on
As Gauss weapons HAG ammo doesn't explode, so all an ammo crit does is get rid of that bin of ammo. If you crit the HAGs they can explode, but between Clan CASE and them being in the arms all you really lose is the HAG and the arm. A big loss to be sure, but not fatal by any means.
@@NRSGuardian good point forgot that , still holds for other mechs with exploding ammo , was more a query if the model to get the rating might be a bit skewed
Post intro comment : i cant see this thing paying for itself in most battles ........... Like i play 15K BV ilClan era but this is expensive even at that BV
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming I've seen other HAG beasts as I'm usually running stealth armoured Capellans I don't mind trading at long range with them , the +2 to hit me at long range plus their -2 on the cluster table evens things out
Jesus, you make it sound like Dan won a Trial of Possession for your marshmallows, and you are holding a grudge, with wanting to field the Bane/Kraken 7 against him. That 'Mech itself is disgusting. Especially if you are using the "called shot" rule to start rolling on punch or kick tables with those HAG-40s. Not quite Warhammer IIC disgusting(due to the decapitation capability and heat efficiency of the Warhammer IIC), but still really strong. I should check to see if someone has made a print with the HAG-40s in the arms. I likewise hope that you, Thom, Dan, Kevin, and the rest of the DFA Wargaming Wrecking Crew have a period of great cheer this holiday season.
@@DeathfromAboveWargamingyou know I would say we should stop it's not nice... but, then I remember it's not like they are gona catch us cause they are all in pieces in their garage because they are swapping out their head gaskets
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The Bane 7 is what you bring when you want to tell someone that you don't want to be friends anymore but can't find the right words.
On an unrelated note, what's Thom up to this weekend? Want to get in a game before Christmas?
You may see one.
I feel like the motto of the Bane 7 is: there's no kill like overkill. The HAGs make the Bane 7 not only extremely capable of dealing with other Mechs, but it can also easily take care of aircraft, tanks, and infantry. This makes it quite useful in dealing with the sort of combined arms threats that are common on Dark Age and ilClan era battlefields. As long as it doesn't get head-capped or knocked out by a lucky TAC it should do well, but it is a high risk, high reward Mech putting a large percentage of your BV into a single Mech. About the only thing that might give the Bane 7 some trouble is an Assault Mech with Ballistic Reinforced Armor to mitigate the damage from the HAGs, like the AS8-K or MAD-8K.
The Bane 3 has 8 LRM15s, so it can literally launch a ton of ammo at an opponent with every LRM salvo.
A literal ton haha I love it
Bane 7’s with Stone Rhino 1’s could be interesting.
Dakka Dakka.... or is it Hagga Hagga in this case?😮
Wowza! Poor Dan, but I do want to watch that engagement. And, let Dan find it on guard duty with its twin... Hoot! ;-) Happy Holidays Aaron! Thanks again for the great content. Especially these new ears, I have little to no idea about them, so very entertaining & educational.
Happy holidays to you as well!!
Funny, I thought the number for time-produced was the BV at first, and thought, "man, that's a lot".
Yes I would. Twin HAG40s is nightmare fuel
Nothing quite like a sandblaster mech that doesn't need, but really appreciates, hole-punching support elsewhere in its lance/star...
Great review! Looking forward to more videos in 2024.
Defensive id want to see a couple ams to prevent people from bringing the equivalent to archer spam to counter it. Its hard to shoot things when there is hard cover and you are at a deficit in mobility.
Ok ive thought about it , take like 4 Nisos WiGes (will be close on BV with 3/4 pilots) swarm the left side give it the plasma and SRM 6s and hope for a through armour critical on the HAG ammo , although even with the 2 engine crits and removing a HAG/40 its still going make a pair of Nisos regret their life decisions if the +5 dont work
Great analysis of a pretty awesome second line mech :-) I actually like the original with its 10 ac2 ultra but this version is savage :-)
2nd line clan mechs are 1st line in my heart.
I am currently doing a Hinterlands campaign where I'm playing Jiyi Christu's Falcons and I have a Kraken 7 in my star and it is routinely the best member of the squad. It makes my forces basically immune to aerospace attacks. I've been using campaign ops and SPAs which made me give the pilot Sandblaster which makes it routinely hit with 32-40 per HAG and it just eats through ppl.
I actually got to a point where I wanted to end my campaign (the Lyrans come calling with a RCT) and the Kraken has made it through 2 full engagements vs 1.2xBV units netting 7 kills and winning both
Haha sick. Always good to hear when the “real world” backs up the Battlytics math!
If you are flabergasted by the Bane 7, i would love to see you run the Bane 3 through the battlytics.
That is assuming the math model takes into account ammo slots being consumed each turn. If not then the defensive analysis could likely show higher than factual ammo hits.
The Bane 3 is a monstrosity of damage dealing. 76 average alpha each turn (and on an average of sixteen hit locations), from 21" down to 1", for 16 turns. It fires a literal ton (120) of LRMs each turn.
Hah! The defensive sim is purely defensive - too many “what ifs” around who shot what when on the target side… you never know when that through armor crit will hit on turn 1 😆
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming I could totally see that. Also I love your battletech videos, great stuff, and your battylitics format and math Sim model is very well put together, I've been devouring these recently. Thanks!
@Saucychemist hey thank you!! Appreciate the kind words and the views! 🙂
Can’t wait for that video
This type load-out where you just watch the world burn and laugh about it. Some people will love it and some hate it. Smoke Jaguar for life… it’s to late for me I already drank that kool aid😈
Love the content. Would like to see more gameplay. I Love the campaigns. Keep up the great work.
The Bane 3 and 4 are nasty in the same vein.
YESSSSSSSSSS UNLEASH THE KRAAAAAAKEN
Im looking forward to the plastic, Ive got the IWM one and its a chonky boi. 😂
Do you ever run custom mechs on the battlelytics in your free time? Ive got a couple builds that seem too good but only been able to test them on MegaMek.
And of theres no more vids in '23 happy new year to you and the DFA crew! 🎉
What is this “free time” you speak of?! 🤪 We got one more juicy one coming your way next week - happy holidays!
never tried ilclan era yet, me and my gaming group either use clan invasion or civil war . This mech looks like fun haha ! nice video! keep em coming! also, patron for life, Override is the best system ;-)
This mech, especially at gunnery 2 is seeing all your eggs in one basket.
The issue is the through armors, and head hots happen, and bringing one of these is crossing our fingers your opponent can't high roll.
Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing mech, and it's a tank of a mech, but it makes a glass cannon of a list.
PS: I wanted to see the base Bane (1) Battlytics so much more!
That or the tears of the Bane 4 (the disappointment)...
Merry Christmas. :)
Merry Christmas to you and yours!!
Do you think you will cover the other IIC's in the future? Would love to your Rifleman IIC breakdown and some of the other IIC's as well.
Most definitely.
This thing is a beast! The House Master approves!!!!! I can definitely see it in a defensive role, it is a mobile turret!
How's your nursing career going, Faith?
Be gone, troll. @@Dakkss
@@HouseMasterPoDing 🤣 Correctly identifying you as Faith McClosky/AceKaller/J is trolling? Lol
How many identities do you need, basement dweller? And why, I wonder? Is it because you're a terrible person that has no hope of ever ridding your horrendous reputation, no matter what you call yourself?
How's Blaine doing these days, bootlicker?@@Dakkss
@@HouseMasterPoDing Pretty good it seems. Still selling books. Still doing interviews. Still making money. You failed.
I'm sure you seethe about it every night as you shake your fist at the restraining order set against you.
So what's with the House Master Po Ding anyway? What was wrong with Ace Kaller?
Excellent video.
I'm interested in how the Bane 3 ( 8XLRM-15) variant would do.
It's almost 800 BV less.
As for the 7- there comes a point at which you have to seriously
consider whether or not a unit is worth it's cost. Unless it's a HUGE battle
it's over that limit IMHO. Yes it's great at killing other mechs but in an
overall battle it has no other utility. It lacks the speed to get anywhere
and uses up a LOT of BV in a single location.
It almost seems to define the attitude that is why the Clans got their
buts kicked in the original invasion in the first place.
Great insight - not to mention all the eggs in one basket kind of thing. A lucky gauss headshot knocking out 70% of your BV is a bad day haha. I like to have more balanced forces - so agree with you. Unless its a HUGE battle, it seems impractical.
This is true, but there is also the chance that it just Ala-ka-blam's anything that comes into range with a LPL and dual HAG 40's. Go ahead, send in 3 wolverines.
Also a fact! Odds are in the Bane’s favor, for sure. Unless you roll like me during the initiative phase 😂
The Bane is my kind of mech. Spew humiliating quantities of ammo until they die.
lol “humiliating quantities” haha fantastic phrase.
Would have been more curious to see the Bane 1 and the wysiwyg ilClan version with the protomech ACs compared. Big numbers are fun, but those two are travesties of Clan assaults.
I havn't use the Bane 7 how ever I play a game not to long ago with my custom Highlander IIC it was a 4 v 1 my Highland IIC is equipped with 1 clan gauss, 3 clan LPLasers, 1 lrm 15 artemis with 16 Double Heat Sink and Endo Steel
for a base cost of 3026 bv in this game i ran it at gunnery 0 and may have goten the bv calculations a bit wrong but i payed 5534 bv for it
The HAG/40 Bane is best friends with the ATM Turkina
Besties 4 lyfe. They also cost more than a whole IS company… but can probably smoke one too. Who needs superheavies when you have ‘mechs like these? 😁
nice
Disgusting.
I never really got into the post FedCom Civil War. My groups got the Total Warfare book and just stuck to the civil war era or before. I was fine with this, in part, because the new technologies were so rarely improvements. I recall long math-heavy debates on how light PPCs, MMLs, etc. were just occupying unique niches, rather than supplanting any of the older weapons. It did not seem fun to endlessly agonize over whether I wanted to do 5 damage more efficiently at close range or mid-range.
Well. I think I missed a trick with the HAGs. They have the odd (more in that no other weapon has the rule) cluster penalty in the long bracket (and bonus in short)...but who cares? a 5 results in as many hits as a 7! Sure, the expected damage takes a hit. But not by nearly as much as would happen if the plateau did not extend that far. If I ever play in the later eras I will need to bring some of these to the party.
The HAG is my favorite weapon in Battletech due to the fan game MW:LL (it's just a giant machine gun with a great sound effect). I would field this monstrosity, mostly as a statement but i also think this would make a great big baddie at the end of a battletech TTRPG campaign, notes are being taken.
18:27 i know the Awesome is well err awesome and you use it for the survivability test yes ? Does it have too much peircing and no crit seeking ? Because Clanners go down to crits big time , line those couple lucky gyro hits really hurt Clanners with their lesser numbers , same with lucky ammo hits in side torsos from the side or from floating criticals ......... Even this monstrosity looks less scary starting on 10 heat and sans the weapons on one side , hell a lucky hit on that Ammo in the right torso its basically a 4000-5000 possibly more BV HAG/40 you could probably ignore from then on
As Gauss weapons HAG ammo doesn't explode, so all an ammo crit does is get rid of that bin of ammo. If you crit the HAGs they can explode, but between Clan CASE and them being in the arms all you really lose is the HAG and the arm. A big loss to be sure, but not fatal by any means.
@@NRSGuardian good point forgot that , still holds for other mechs with exploding ammo , was more a query if the model to get the rating might be a bit skewed
its a mech on pair with LX20 which i do not allow on my table. I want to play game , not watching how my opponent is rolling dices
Post intro comment : i cant see this thing paying for itself in most battles ........... Like i play 15K BV ilClan era but this is expensive even at that BV
Only one way to find out!! Try it and report back!
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming I've seen other HAG beasts as I'm usually running stealth armoured Capellans I don't mind trading at long range with them , the +2 to hit me at long range plus their -2 on the cluster table evens things out
Sneaky Capellans and their stealth armor
Clan green birb
Jesus, you make it sound like Dan won a Trial of Possession for your marshmallows, and you are holding a grudge, with wanting to field the Bane/Kraken 7 against him. That 'Mech itself is disgusting. Especially if you are using the "called shot" rule to start rolling on punch or kick tables with those HAG-40s. Not quite Warhammer IIC disgusting(due to the decapitation capability and heat efficiency of the Warhammer IIC), but still really strong. I should check to see if someone has made a print with the HAG-40s in the arms.
I likewise hope that you, Thom, Dan, Kevin, and the rest of the DFA Wargaming Wrecking Crew have a period of great cheer this holiday season.
Same to you!!! Happy holidays and thanks for watching and supporting!
Hard pass on defender. With the arm flip and coverage in all fields of fire, this monster needs the brawl.
Clan Hate Kraken
Hahah their slogan can be “let’s raaaage”
Something about this mech just bothers me. I never liked it. Not even sure what it is
It’s got a motor made by Subaru.
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming does every single one on the used market come with a "fully built" motor? Since the first, second, or third motor blew up
@JustinPivinski-cm2rh LMAO obviously.
@@DeathfromAboveWargamingyou know I would say we should stop it's not nice... but, then I remember it's not like they are gona catch us cause they are all in pieces in their garage because they are swapping out their head gaskets
@JustinPivinski-cm2rh but trust me, it makes 600whp on the e85 tune.
Star Captain Thor would core the Bane in 2 turns while his UAC20 is jammed. 🤣
LOL… has a bumper sticker on his Kodiak “my other mech is a Bane 7”