Sadly he probably would of. Vince embarassed the entire family every week for money, I can see him continuing the show if both Shane and Stephanie fell like Owen
Same as you, I watched Over the Edge 1999 live and I felt sick, even though you never saw the incident. Just the sombre nature, the visible shock from the talent, and the way J.R. told us he passed away (God bless J.R., he was so professional and humane) just made me feel terrible. Rest in Peace, Owen Hart.
JR had to do that on the fly too. He literally was told by Kevin Dunn seconds before, that Owen had died. He had no clue before that moment. Makes it even more amazing he was able to deliver it the way he did. Few could in a situation like that I am sure.
Honestly, Over the Edge 1999 didn't even come to mind when I saw this video's title... and I think that's mainly because I'd prefer to NOT think of that event, due to what happened. So when I got to #1 & saw Over the Edge I thought "Oh, yeah, of course it'd be that", simply due to the fact that I kind of instinctively block its existence out of my mind, unless I have to think about it.
Same. Same. I was confused at what number 1 was going to be but when he said it, I was immediately like, "oh yeah, that's gotta be number 1" because I try to never, ever, think about that ppv.
@@omarhasan03I listened to a 9 hour podcast called The Lapsed Fan about the details of Owen’s passing. It’s horrific. WWF was at fault dud to gross negligence.
OTE '99. One of the handful of times I got to spend with one of my older brothers before he passed. We got high as a kite and were really into the show. The stuff with Owen happened and we found ourselves putting the party aside and calling our siblings and parents to let them know we loved them so much. I lost him 2 years later to a heart attack and my oldest brother 3 weeks later to the same. Point: its cliché but no less true... Remind the ones you love EXACTLY how much you love them. You never know when it might be the last time.
Yeah, I remember very clearly watching that at the time. I couldn't stand Jarrett and Debra normally but kayfabe was gone and I wasn't seeing the people I wanted to boo anymore. I don't know how they managed to go out and perform. If it was me I would have just frozen up.
@kidz4p509 oddly it did but Vince being Vince made sure it didn't last too long. The McMahon-Helmsley thing happened the same year and I still don't see the reason why Vince joined forces with Triple H
But they did though. Look at the Rock vs Big Show match from March 2000 when Vince pulls up in the limo to help the Rock. Wrestlers today would kill for the kind of pop he got that night. So yeah, their expectations were met and then some.
Its kinda hilarious though. You would never see the little Smark Tony Khan doing any of this, yet Vince was willing to do whatever he had to for the success of the company and to get over talent no matter how much punishment he had to take. Really shows how one actually loved his business and the other is just a trust fund smark smashing is wrestling figures together. Tony can't even book worth a damn, yet actually has guys like AA working backstage who could literally book things if he wasn't just playing booker.
It blows my mind that after Owen's fall the show wasn't cancelled and the ring and catwalk area (or wherever Owen descended from) wasn't treated like a crime scene. Obviously, something went very wrong and preserving anything that would help the investigation should have been paramount.
Armageddon 1999, WrestleMania XV, Over the Edge 1999 and King of the Ring 1999 are the first shows I thought about. Over the Edge 1999 the worst of the lot.
I don't think I'll ever understand how anyone managed to keep going through the rest of Over the Edge. I really don't think I could have done it even if I didn't know Owen had passed. My friends and I were watching the PPV live and it was just impossible to think about the rest of the matches. I can't even imagine how much worse it was to be backstage and get told the show must go on.
You handled the number 1 spot on this video with perfection. Such a dark sad day in wrestling. I knew straight away it had to be number 1 but for very sad tragic reasons. We all miss Owen, he was an amazing performer.
I was watching Over The Edge and I had no idea why they were showing the crowd and it wasn't until my sister figured out that Owen really got hurt and ill never forget once PPV ended my cousins and friends called me to ask did Owen really died. That one day I would love to forget
Owen's death still brings tears to my eyes even all these years later, and I'm not a particularly emotional guy. Knew as soon as the sombre music started that I was gonna be a mess. A touching tribute to a truly special person. Nice one, mate. Oh yeah - I highly recommend the episode Dark Side of the Ring did on Owen for those who haven't seen it.
If you want something far more in depth and informative that Dark Side of the Ring listen to The Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast episode about Over the Edge 1999. It is about 9 hours long and goes into great detail about everything that happened that night and the aftermath.
Im surprised Wrestlemania 2000 didnt make the list due to the main event alone. I guess the Triangle ladder match + Two-fall Triple threat match saved it for some
I just can't imagine the pressure to make a call like cancelling sending everyone home ect. I mean it's just a situation that hadn't happened like that before
I remember hours after the over the edge ppv hearing on the local news about Owen, It was so shocking, still remember it like it was yesterday. Didn't want to believe it. I didn't get the ppv so i didn't know it happened till i seen it on the news.
almost got through the whole thing without crying, without remembering. still saddens me greatly that whole incident with Owen. I remember going to school the next day and talking about it
Same, I loved watching the weekly shows but never got to watch PPVs as a child, and when I had heard about Owen at school the next day it just broke my heart; I remember I cried so badly they called my parents to come and try to console me, and eventually they just brought me home. I remember me and my dad (an even bigger wrestling fan than me) just sitting at home the rest of that day, spending some time together as we mourned one of our favorite wrestlers.
Thanks for these videos, I'm going to have to say, even though I've watched every episode of RTW, I'll be skipping Over the Edge '99. I'll watch every other show, but that one I feel would put me in a dark place. Thanks for your work & take care too.
Great videos my guy. I just ran into Jamie Noble from the WWE at the gas station. He is probably in seeing his family for the holidays. He lives less than 10 mins from me, well he grew up there and that’s where some of his family is. I was going to ask to take a picture but he was leaving and I didn’t have my phone anyway lol.
I have to say Over the Edge 99/Raw is Owen is probably the one thing yet to come in Reliving the War I'm actually kinda dreading and at the time of this we are getting very close to it now. I know it's not something that can be ignored and I have absolute faith you will be fully respectful when covering it etc but I'll still be glad to get that part of the Monday night wars out the way. Anyway I didn't become a full fan again until 2000 so I missed most of the Attitude eras PPV's. But looking back now 1999 particually was a year with many faults. I must admit I like Wrestlemania 15 but I also admit there is a bit of Bias as it was my first ever WWF DVD. Good job. :)
Back in high school I had my own 'Top X' favorite matches written down on a journal I kept, and I remember having HHH vs. Vince from Armageddon 99 on it. It's probably been over twenty years since I last watched that match. At this point I don't think I even want to find out if it holds up or not 😂
I didnt have sky in the late 90s and i found out about Owens passing on BBC Radio 1 which was very surreal as wrestling was rarely talked about in mainstream media back then .
Armageddon 99 will always hold a special place in my heart for two reasons. 1) I was 13 at the time and my parents allowed me to invite a few friends to come over and watch the event with me and 2) I loved this arena setup and I picked it all the time in No Mercy for the N64 lol.
Man I’ll never forget over the edge. I was listening to it and watching a “scrambled” picture when it happened so I literally thought it was a work until JR said what happened. Crazy
The tragic passing of Owen Hart and how the WWE -- or rather more specifically how Vince McMahon -- dealt with it was the beginning of the end for me as an active wrestling fan. It was all just so appalling and it really helped kill off a lot of love I had and turned me into just a casual occasional viewer until I became a non-active nostalgic one. I love Wrestling Bios and Wrestling With Wregret for helping rekindle some fond nostalgia for the sport, but I sadly cannot bring myself to be an active fan anymore. 😢
The only people who still cry about how WWF continued the show are the ones that have never ran anything above a lemonade stand at best. It was a damned if they do, damned if they don't moment. But of course the armchair bookers always make sure they drone on decades later how they wouldn't have continued the show, because they have no clue how owning something successful works. Either decision would have been hard and, there would be people crying to this day whichever decision they made.
it helps that wrestling sucked for at least 10 years before AEW came along. hell, i don't even watch them, but anyone that actually puts on hardcore matches with actual weapons, gimmicked or not, deserves at least some damn recognition for it. even TNA was probably more worth watching for some of those years.
I almost stopped watching wrestling after over the edge 99 watching my favorite wrestler die in front of my eyes as an 11 year old kid hurt then still hurts now.
What made me sad about remembering the Kennel from Hell match is that those dogs, and those dogs puppies have lived full lives and are no longer with us 24 years later, it’s possible but even likely that the original dogs grandchildren are even gone by now. Kind of sobering that this was so long ago that three generation of dogs have come and gone. ❤️🐾🐾
The harness line did not malfunction .they used a harness used something for like a bag instead. It was malpractice manslaughter and settled out of court
Over the edge will always be a black spot during the era. It should be number one for worst on a lot of list because of owen. Hard to phantom watching it now after all these years knowing what happened. When watching sting descend from the rafters, then he start coming out from the entrance, i wondered why until i heard it was because of what happened to owen.
@@michaelaburns734 i remember watching i think dark side of owens death and listening to dlo talk about it. Dlo was so messed up after seeing owen go by. I can only imagine what undertaker and the rest went through. Consider how taker is suppose to be completely stoic, it hard to be very hard for him to focus.
@@arkansasstorm He was the locker room leader as well. It was controversial when the show carried on. I am still questioning if the show should have continued on or stopped.
The '99 Royal Rumble shoulda been listed. In regards to Over the Edge '99, I saw an interview with Debra where she said she wouldn't have continued the show, but she's not the one running the multi-billion dollar company. I kinda agree with her. It's easy to say what you would or wouldn't have done, when you're not in the position to choose.
The problem with 1999 from a wrestling standpoint. The most important events to happened from a storyline perspective, happened in the first week. Which makes the year feel like it's hit peak already. And it's always harder to watch a show after it peak. So that's my guess on why 1999 is a weird year for wrestling.
I saw WM 15 live and it simply didn’t have that epic Wrestlemania feel that you’d normally expect (for the most part anyway). It felt like an overpriced In your house event
I knew over the edge would be #1. I too was watching the PPV, I almost got tickets since I lived not too far but I had to work at the video store that night. I was checking out a few customers as the incident happened. I was glued to the TV and so was the few people in line as wrestling was pretty big in our small town. We were in awe. The RAW after was the saddest RAW Ive ever watched next to eddies tribute (that may have been smackdown...I think they did both shows but its the one chris just breaks)
Damn...what a note to end the video. Normally lists like these are sources of fun and amusement at the silly or dumb choices made during the time but, instead we are reminded of one of the worst tragedies and one of the WWE's biggest sources of shame. I don't care if Savage v Steamboat happened at the same PPV, that event deserves nothing but the lowest scores. Not just because a man died, but because he died from negligence and they still decided to keep the show running. Owen's blood was still in the ring for God's sake...
Inspired by your channel I did start doing a rewatch of the wrestling years, from 1996 up until 2000 now. Over the Edge was the PPV that made stop for a while, having gained so much more appreciation for Owen since. Armageddon 99, and the angle around Triple H and Stephanie before that was a slog.
I ordered nearly every ppv that year leading up to over the edge. I missed that show, didn't have the money, but that night the news broke in to mention Owen had died. It was very sad. RIP Owen.
I remember Over the Edge 99 like it was yesterday - when I was talking to people in my school the next day some thought the Owen incident was part of the storyline. I wonder how Reliving the War will cover the Owen memorial WCW Nitro match between Bret and Benoit - that could end up having its own dedicated video.
Random, but a video on the 2003 album “Be A Man” by Randy Savage would be super interesting. Maybe that can lead to a “wrestling album reviews/background” segment as well
Yes please! My cousin showed me that back then we lost our minds That was one of the best albums of 2003 out of nowhere Be A Man prolly in my top 10 diss tracks honestly
@@aceassn716 @OliveMule I had to come back to say that I was in a record store today, and under the staff picks was the 2003 classic “Be A Man” in vinyl! I didn’t think it was anything other than a CD, let alone still being pressed
@@eymanmohamed9440exactly. It's the worst ppvs but the quality overall was very, very high. The ppvs weren't great but Raw was otherworldly at that time.
I would like to see this video about the RA era because there we’re definitely better ppvs in that era. While the attitude era had more star power and better build
I've no idea why, but a few weeks ago I couldn't get watching Armageddon 99 out of my head. Resubscribed to the Network and did just that. I had a great time!
I was at both of those Unforgiven PPVS. Seeing the Kennel from Hell match live wasn't so great for the audience. Although I'll never forget the Inferno match from the other one. Every time Taker or Kane took a bump, you could feel the explosion of heat. I enjoyed both PPV's but thats bc I was there.
Imagine if the owners ... Eric & vince ... never got in the ring or turned into characters... they tipped the scales from believable to unbelievable for me
Vince McMahon with that poor excuse “Owen would have wanted the show to continue” I’m 100% certain and God Forbid if that was Shane on that harness he would have stopped the show immediately. That was a terrible decision by Vince McMahon!
I still cant believe that A. the harness had no issues during practices, and B. Whoever gave Owen the idea of that entrance (probably Russo considering Roddy Piper's comment during Russo's first run in TNA) thought it was a good idea
RIP Owen Hart, a class act! I remember recording this event and when watching it, the Jeff Jarrett interview touching, even then i knew he was breaking character to provide support for a friend. Such a sad day :(
Survivor Series 99 I felt so swindled bc they marketed that ppv as Austin v Rock v HHH and having it be Big Show instead was garbage. I hate when they shoot angles at PPV's.
Over the Edge is definitely the worst. And it may not be the time or place but I fully am in the camp that the two Vince’s(Russo and McMahon) are responsible. They had a world class and well respected athlete and gave him a stupid ass gimmick from the 80’s. Resulting in a dangerous stunt and the loss of a life
The whole argument of “Owen would have wanted the show to go on” never made sense to me. Even if it’s true, it doesn’t really matter. You can’t have so many people experience trauma and tragedy and expect them to brush it off, no matter who would have wanted them to.
I didn't expect Over the Edge at #1 because I thought it would be excluded. While WWE deserves to be ass blasted for continuing the show, the talent that took part does not. It's a bit tasteless both to Owen's memory and the talent that CageMatch didn't remove ratings on this one.
It was a ppv, why should it be excluded? Why is it tasteless to include? It was the worst ppv in wrestling history, and maybe the worst day in wrestling history. It’s tasteless the ppv continued after the tragedy. Saying it’s tasteless to have as the worst ppv because it’s disrespectful to the wrestlers is crazy.
I will never be Jeff Jarrett's greatest fan, but his Over The Edge interview is truly heartbreaking to watch. He didn't 'know', but he knew. As did Jerry Lawler, Road Dogg, Debra etc. They knew you just don't live through something like that.
A friend of mine had WM XV on VHS (remember those?) and since I didn't have Sky TV, I borrowed it and watched it more times than most have seen the ppv. It is not great and really didn't seem like the show of shows.
While many of us do look at the Attitude Era & Monday Night War through somewhat rose tinted glasses the WWE in some aspects have gone to far the other way nowadays
@@Chuck_EL people calling a cool thing cool doesn't prove anything. i wasn't even alive during, let's say Feudal Japan, if i say ninjas or samurai are cool, is that nostalgia? no.
Everyone thought I was crazy back in 99 when I saying believe it or not wcw still had better matches an events.. despite that finger poke of doom garbage, their roster was stacked along with talent for TV, US, Cruiser, Tag titles
I’ll never forget 23rd May was my 13th birthday. So when I woke up on the morning of the 24th I didn’t know the results from the night before. I’ll never forget getting ready for school and having GMTV on the tv in the background. When they went to the news roundup, Owen’s death was the headline. I couldn’t believe it.
Honestly agreed. I get annoyed hearing these attitude Era D*"k Riders say "Attitude Era was prime WWE man nothing during that era was trash " when in reality there were a lot of trash in that era. Every Era in WWE has trash in them
I may have missed it, but I would've made it clear what this time frame is. 'Attitude Era' is a tiny bit subjective to the exact start date. The end date is a bit more clear.
Whatever parameters people use, all the said ppv's are within the period most people use for the attitude Era. All the listed ppvs were from 98 to 2000.
@@anthonyanderson9303 This is not true at all. It's why I asked. Some think In started in 1996 with Austin's KOTR promo, or Survivor Series 1997, I could go on and on.
@@mulldrifterz6469I definitely think it should be considered to have started in 1996, especially with how close Bash at the Beach and King of the Ring were. It’s as clean a delineation as we really have. Anyone who thinks it took until Austin WON the world title is crazy. He changed the landscape long before that.
The worst part about the whole Over the Edge situation is that it's going to be hard for the WWF to wipe that PPV from existence because the biggest title in the company changed hands the same night of the incident that made said PPV infamous and notorious. Especially considering the gimmick Undertaker had in 1999, if they weren't going to cancel the show immediately after the fall, they could have postponed the title change until the next week on Raw or at the next PPV or even the night after would, if nothing else, help with erasing Over the Edge 1999 from the history books.
Can't argue with OTE '99 being the worst PPV just from an emotional standpoint. I remember my cousin and I being disappointed they wasted a KOTR on Billy Gunn. I loved him as a kid but even I knew he wasn't on the level of guys like The Rock, Austin, or Taker. Not sure it counts as Attitude Era, but I'm surprised to see DX In Your House wasn't on here. A main event that we knew Ken Shamrock wouldn't win and a heavily promoted Sgt. Slaughter match.
Just to note, the topic of "the show must go on" did come up prior, after Brian Pillman's passing, at which Owen, a longtime friend of Pillman from the Stampede days, did want the show to go on and had his match with Farooq at In Your House 18 just a few hours later. It's not quite a 1:1 situation but I believe anyone who knew him who says its what he would have wanted.
Except you're talking out-of-context. Truth be told, Owen may have wrestled for a living, but unlike the rest of the Harts, he didn't live for wrestling. He was a family man & humanitarian first. Wrestling was only a means to an end for him. Once his contract was up, he was going to leave the ring behind forever & switch to a kind of civil servant job for the city of Calgary.
I didn't see Over the Edge live. I was hanging out with friends. I remember thinking to myself that I was missing it and was wondering what was happening. I got home in time for the replay of the broadcast that always started immediately after the live show ended. I didn't rent it but I listen on the PPV channel to what was happening but the picture would be scrambled. So I listened as I played video games. He would have already passed away by this time but I was still oblivious. I remember being shocked when I eventually found out 3 hours later than most wrestling fans. Owen Hart was my favorite. Hard to believe that was 24 and a half years ago.
Heh.... Kind of ironic in my mind that 1999 was the year that WCW started to falter, and yet the majority of shows on this list are from 1999. WCW For Life.
WCW PPVs were surprisingly good throughout 98-99 a lot of the right people won (Especially the cruisers) now flipping the channel the WWF had really hot TV and some good moments in their big 4 PPVs Summerslam, Mania , Rumble and Survivor Series
I don't remember what I was doing on May 23, 1999. Since it was the start of summer vacation, I was probably at a friend's house who didn't really watch wrestling. I didn't find out about Owen Hart's death until the next night on Raw.
I attended a lot of wrestling events around the time owen died and really felt for the fams who attended this event and those who wrestled after the show was made to carry on
At that time owen was one of my top 3 wrestlers. I never understood why he needed to do the blue blazer. All he needed was a little push. He even owned the nugget gimmick and played it like a true heel. That dude had a lot of talent
I absolutely hated that first "Inferno Match". I can see how they thought it would look amazing, and it probably sounded awesome on paper. But in execution, it looked far less impressive. The fire didn't look very dangerous. And they had this idea that probably sounded great where every time someone got slammed in the ring, they would blast that gas and make a giant fireball every time. It probably sounded on paper like, "The audience would feel the mystical power of the Undertaker and his Brother". The thing that was so annoying about it was that whoever was operating the gas line didn't seem to know when a big move was going to happen, and when the gas was triggered, it was always too late or in times when no move was happening. I don't think that whoever was operating the gas line knew what to watch for with wrestling moves to get the timing right. The timing of the flame bursts was way out of sync with the match. And on top of that, instead of feeling "The mythical power of the brothers", all we heard was the loud hiss of the gas lines. That combined with the very VERY out of sync fireball triggering, led to a match that just killed the suspension of belief. It made you feel less of the "Power of the brothers" and instead made you feel, "The crew backstage working the special effects". And then the whole finish where it was obvious who was going to win when you saw Kane get smothered in fire gel. And I also remember this match being a bit toned down for an Undertaker vs Kane match, probably for safety reasons. I remember just wanting that match to end after just watching it for a short time.
Every era has its ups and down, nothing is perfect, but their is no doubt the attitude era was the hottest time in pro wrestling history, an era where everybody got over, it proof that the tradition of the 80's need it to step aside in order for the business to get better and it did, wrestling got More graphic, and more unique
Bret Hart said it best, “Would Vince have continued the show if Stephanie fell 70 feet to her death in the middle of the ring?”
Sadly he probably would of. Vince embarassed the entire family every week for money, I can see him continuing the show if both Shane and Stephanie fell like Owen
He would turn this probaly into a Storyline. Who killed Steph? Was it Austin? Vince? Linda? Triple H?
Find out next Week on Raw.
The correct answer is yes..
@@laronnpowell1700 only if you’re a moron
Probably
Same as you, I watched Over the Edge 1999 live and I felt sick, even though you never saw the incident. Just the sombre nature, the visible shock from the talent, and the way J.R. told us he passed away (God bless J.R., he was so professional and humane) just made me feel terrible. Rest in Peace, Owen Hart.
I remember my older brother calling me and told me what happened. He was upset that the show continued; pissed me off too.
JR had to do that on the fly too. He literally was told by Kevin Dunn seconds before, that Owen had died. He had no clue before that moment. Makes it even more amazing he was able to deliver it the way he did. Few could in a situation like that I am sure.
Peacock removed the whole accident
I was there with my 8 year old little brother. He has never watched wrestling since.
@@carolynbuckley8733
Oh wow
Was owen his favorite?
Honestly, Over the Edge 1999 didn't even come to mind when I saw this video's title... and I think that's mainly because I'd prefer to NOT think of that event, due to what happened. So when I got to #1 & saw Over the Edge I thought "Oh, yeah, of course it'd be that", simply due to the fact that I kind of instinctively block its existence out of my mind, unless I have to think about it.
Same. Same. I was confused at what number 1 was going to be but when he said it, I was immediately like, "oh yeah, that's gotta be number 1" because I try to never, ever, think about that ppv.
@@omarhasan03I listened to a 9 hour podcast called The Lapsed Fan about the details of Owen’s passing. It’s horrific. WWF was at fault dud to gross negligence.
@@catchcan221 I'm going to check that podcast our right now. I never heard of it but I'm most definitely interested. Thanks
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@@cawcreatorwhat is wrong with you... where are you from
OTE '99. One of the handful of times I got to spend with one of my older brothers before he passed. We got high as a kite and were really into the show. The stuff with Owen happened and we found ourselves putting the party aside and calling our siblings and parents to let them know we loved them so much. I lost him 2 years later to a heart attack and my oldest brother 3 weeks later to the same.
Point: its cliché but no less true... Remind the ones you love EXACTLY how much you love them. You never know when it might be the last time.
May God bless you and your family
Are you sure that he didn't fall from an arena ceiling?
Jesus, the way Stone Cold comes out at Over The Edge... Never seen the man have less energy, and with very good reason.
Undertaker is noticeably shaken too. There’s a couple shots of him where he looks up at the rafters and it dawns on him what happened
I can't imagine having to do a match after knowing what happened to Owen.
Vince is a total POS and I’m glad he’s getting his comeuppance.
I'll never forget The Kat flashing the crowd at Armageddon 99. That was iconic. And it was more special for me because I was 12 years old at the time.
I am surprised that full loaded 1998 is on this list. I thought everyone would have liked it because of sable 😂😂
Wow AllieRX I was wanted to know it was you yeah Armageddon 99 was all right still waiting for Kamen rider Climax.
God I remember watching Jarrett and Debra's promo on the show and how distraught they were. Debra said "Owen, we love you".
It was so difficult to watch.
I watched it again recently and burst into tears. You could see they were trying to stay professional and in character but their hearts were breaking
Yeah, I remember very clearly watching that at the time. I couldn't stand Jarrett and Debra normally but kayfabe was gone and I wasn't seeing the people I wanted to boo anymore. I don't know how they managed to go out and perform. If it was me I would have just frozen up.
Not to mention, Owen was being rolled into the ambulance off camera while Jarrett and Debra were doing their promo.
The fact that they expected people to root for Vinny Mac as a babyface during the Attitude Era is wild.
@@kidz4p509more than once it's worked very well and they made him to be a real hero when he came back to take the company from steph and shane
@kidz4p509 oddly it did but Vince being Vince made sure it didn't last too long. The McMahon-Helmsley thing happened the same year and I still don't see the reason why Vince joined forces with Triple H
But they did though. Look at the Rock vs Big Show match from March 2000 when Vince pulls up in the limo to help the Rock. Wrestlers today would kill for the kind of pop he got that night. So yeah, their expectations were met and then some.
You mean to say the fact that people expect to cheer for Dave Meltzer or Kevin Dunn as a babyface during any era is wild.
Its kinda hilarious though. You would never see the little Smark Tony Khan doing any of this, yet Vince was willing to do whatever he had to for the success of the company and to get over talent no matter how much punishment he had to take.
Really shows how one actually loved his business and the other is just a trust fund smark smashing is wrestling figures together. Tony can't even book worth a damn, yet actually has guys like AA working backstage who could literally book things if he wasn't just playing booker.
It blows my mind that after Owen's fall the show wasn't cancelled and the ring and catwalk area (or wherever Owen descended from) wasn't treated like a crime scene. Obviously, something went very wrong and preserving anything that would help the investigation should have been paramount.
Armageddon 1999, WrestleMania XV, Over the Edge 1999 and King of the Ring 1999 are the first shows I thought about. Over the Edge 1999 the worst of the lot.
I heard that Over the Edge 1999 was to die for.
D-Generation X: In Your House. Absolute garbage.
I don't think I'll ever understand how anyone managed to keep going through the rest of Over the Edge. I really don't think I could have done it even if I didn't know Owen had passed. My friends and I were watching the PPV live and it was just impossible to think about the rest of the matches. I can't even imagine how much worse it was to be backstage and get told the show must go on.
Till this day, no one remembers any matches from that event.
anything to keep their mind off it, i'd wager.
You handled the number 1 spot on this video with perfection. Such a dark sad day in wrestling. I knew straight away it had to be number 1 but for very sad tragic reasons. We all miss Owen, he was an amazing performer.
I was watching Over The Edge and I had no idea why they were showing the crowd and it wasn't until my sister figured out that Owen really got hurt and ill never forget once PPV ended my cousins and friends called me to ask did Owen really died. That one day I would love to forget
Owen's death still brings tears to my eyes even all these years later, and I'm not a particularly emotional guy. Knew as soon as the sombre music started that I was gonna be a mess. A touching tribute to a truly special person. Nice one, mate.
Oh yeah - I highly recommend the episode Dark Side of the Ring did on Owen for those who haven't seen it.
If you want something far more in depth and informative that Dark Side of the Ring listen to The Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast episode about Over the Edge 1999. It is about 9 hours long and goes into great detail about everything that happened that night and the aftermath.
@catchcan221 thanks for sharing this. I love podcasts so I'll absolutely listen to this.
Im surprised Wrestlemania 2000 didnt make the list due to the main event alone. I guess the Triangle ladder match + Two-fall Triple threat match saved it for some
I was about to say WrestleMania 2000 mainly because all matches were either Tag, Triple Threat or Fatal 4 way there were no One on One match
@RetroJR3379
Well the Catfight was kinda a 1 on 1 match
I'm going to be completely honest
I thought Wrestlemania 2000 was good
The main event was awesome! Stephanie got a People's Elbow!
@@timbartschwolfman I forgot about the Catfight LOL
I just can't imagine the pressure to make a call like cancelling sending everyone home ect. I mean it's just a situation that hadn't happened like that before
I remember hours after the over the edge ppv hearing on the local news about Owen, It was so shocking, still remember it like it was yesterday. Didn't want to believe it. I didn't get the ppv so i didn't know it happened till i seen it on the news.
almost got through the whole thing without crying, without remembering. still saddens me greatly that whole incident with Owen. I remember going to school the next day and talking about it
Same, I loved watching the weekly shows but never got to watch PPVs as a child, and when I had heard about Owen at school the next day it just broke my heart; I remember I cried so badly they called my parents to come and try to console me, and eventually they just brought me home. I remember me and my dad (an even bigger wrestling fan than me) just sitting at home the rest of that day, spending some time together as we mourned one of our favorite wrestlers.
Thanks for these videos, I'm going to have to say, even though I've watched every episode of RTW, I'll be skipping Over the Edge '99. I'll watch every other show, but that one I feel would put me in a dark place.
Thanks for your work & take care too.
Then you should skip the Raw afterwards too
@@catchcan221 Yeah. For as heartfelt as the tribute was trying to be, Martha felt it was a souless cashgrab.
Great videos my guy. I just ran into Jamie Noble from the WWE at the gas station. He is probably in seeing his family for the holidays. He lives less than 10 mins from me, well he grew up there and that’s where some of his family is. I was going to ask to take a picture but he was leaving and I didn’t have my phone anyway lol.
I have to say Over the Edge 99/Raw is Owen is probably the one thing yet to come in Reliving the War I'm actually kinda dreading and at the time of this we are getting very close to it now. I know it's not something that can be ignored and I have absolute faith you will be fully respectful when covering it etc but I'll still be glad to get that part of the Monday night wars out the way. Anyway I didn't become a full fan again until 2000 so I missed most of the Attitude eras PPV's. But looking back now 1999 particually was a year with many faults. I must admit I like Wrestlemania 15 but I also admit there is a bit of Bias as it was my first ever WWF DVD. Good job. :)
Yeah, 1999 was a year of many faults for both companies. Particularly WCW!!
Back in high school I had my own 'Top X' favorite matches written down on a journal I kept, and I remember having HHH vs. Vince from Armageddon 99 on it. It's probably been over twenty years since I last watched that match.
At this point I don't think I even want to find out if it holds up or not 😂
A 30 minute Vince McMahon match just sounds nightmarish.
I didnt have sky in the late 90s and i found out about Owens passing on BBC Radio 1 which was very surreal as wrestling was rarely talked about in mainstream media back then .
20:00 you can see that the Undertaker is visibly upset.
Armageddon 99 will always hold a special place in my heart for two reasons. 1) I was 13 at the time and my parents allowed me to invite a few friends to come over and watch the event with me and 2) I loved this arena setup and I picked it all the time in No Mercy for the N64 lol.
Man I love Owen's theme at the end of the video. Sounds like he's about to have a triple threat match with Paul and Bryan in Tekken 3.
1999 should be well represented in this one.
A lot of those shows that year had Vince Russo stink all over them.
Man I’ll never forget over the edge. I was listening to it and watching a “scrambled” picture when it happened so I literally thought it was a work until JR said what happened. Crazy
The tragic passing of Owen Hart and how the WWE -- or rather more specifically how Vince McMahon -- dealt with it was the beginning of the end for me as an active wrestling fan. It was all just so appalling and it really helped kill off a lot of love I had and turned me into just a casual occasional viewer until I became a non-active nostalgic one. I love Wrestling Bios and Wrestling With Wregret for helping rekindle some fond nostalgia for the sport, but I sadly cannot bring myself to be an active fan anymore. 😢
The only people who still cry about how WWF continued the show are the ones that have never ran anything above a lemonade stand at best. It was a damned if they do, damned if they don't moment. But of course the armchair bookers always make sure they drone on decades later how they wouldn't have continued the show, because they have no clue how owning something successful works. Either decision would have been hard and, there would be people crying to this day whichever decision they made.
Blood money
@@lutherheggs451Vince wouldn’t have continued the show if Stephanie or Shane fell 70 feet to their death in the middle of the ring,
@@catchcan221 Yes he wouldve
it helps that wrestling sucked for at least 10 years before AEW came along. hell, i don't even watch them, but anyone that actually puts on hardcore matches with actual weapons, gimmicked or not, deserves at least some damn recognition for it. even TNA was probably more worth watching for some of those years.
Owen wouldn't have wanted the show to go on if that happened to Bret. It's horrible and sad what happened to Owen. He deserved so much better.
how do you know that
@@tightsandnewsbabesfan8749, I know because he didn't need to be rigged to a harness by some men who didn't know what they were doing!
I think if bret was with the company it wouldn't have
I almost stopped watching wrestling after over the edge 99 watching my favorite wrestler die in front of my eyes as an 11 year old kid hurt then still hurts now.
What made me sad about remembering the Kennel from Hell match is that those dogs, and those dogs puppies have lived full lives and are no longer with us 24 years later, it’s possible but even likely that the original dogs grandchildren are even gone by now. Kind of sobering that this was so long ago that three generation of dogs have come and gone. ❤️🐾🐾
I still to this day shed a tear for Owen.
That 6-man tag mainevent from KOTR 2000 was worth the price of PPV alone in my opinion.
The harness line did not malfunction .they used a harness used something for like a bag instead. It was malpractice manslaughter and settled out of court
That edit from "Steve Austin gets visibly pissed off" to Jeff Jarrett's "don't piss me off!" t-shirt is *chef's kiss*
Over the edge will always be a black spot during the era. It should be number one for worst on a lot of list because of owen. Hard to phantom watching it now after all these years knowing what happened. When watching sting descend from the rafters, then he start coming out from the entrance, i wondered why until i heard it was because of what happened to owen.
It started good but yeah after that incident everyone was out of it after Owen's tragic demise.
@@michaelaburns734 i remember watching i think dark side of owens death and listening to dlo talk about it. Dlo was so messed up after seeing owen go by. I can only imagine what undertaker and the rest went through. Consider how taker is suppose to be completely stoic, it hard to be very hard for him to focus.
@@arkansasstorm He was the locker room leader as well. It was controversial when the show carried on. I am still questioning if the show should have continued on or stopped.
Sting stopped doing that WAY before Over the Edge 99
@@woobgamer5210 Definitely seeing why he stopped being lowered in the ring.
The '99 Royal Rumble shoulda been listed.
In regards to Over the Edge '99, I saw an interview with Debra where she said she wouldn't have continued the show, but she's not the one running the multi-billion dollar company. I kinda agree with her. It's easy to say what you would or wouldn't have done, when you're not in the position to choose.
1999 was a weird year for both WWF and WCW
The problem with 1999 from a wrestling standpoint. The most important events to happened from a storyline perspective, happened in the first week. Which makes the year feel like it's hit peak already. And it's always harder to watch a show after it peak. So that's my guess on why 1999 is a weird year for wrestling.
I saw WM 15 live and it simply didn’t have that epic Wrestlemania feel that you’d normally expect (for the most part anyway). It felt like an overpriced In your house event
I knew over the edge would be #1. I too was watching the PPV, I almost got tickets since I lived not too far but I had to work at the video store that night. I was checking out a few customers as the incident happened. I was glued to the TV and so was the few people in line as wrestling was pretty big in our small town. We were in awe. The RAW after was the saddest RAW Ive ever watched next to eddies tribute (that may have been smackdown...I think they did both shows but its the one chris just breaks)
Damn...what a note to end the video. Normally lists like these are sources of fun and amusement at the silly or dumb choices made during the time but, instead we are reminded of one of the worst tragedies and one of the WWE's biggest sources of shame.
I don't care if Savage v Steamboat happened at the same PPV, that event deserves nothing but the lowest scores. Not just because a man died, but because he died from negligence and they still decided to keep the show running. Owen's blood was still in the ring for God's sake...
Inspired by your channel I did start doing a rewatch of the wrestling years, from 1996 up until 2000 now. Over the Edge was the PPV that made stop for a while, having gained so much more appreciation for Owen since. Armageddon 99, and the angle around Triple H and Stephanie before that was a slog.
I ordered nearly every ppv that year leading up to over the edge. I missed that show, didn't have the money, but that night the news broke in to mention Owen had died. It was very sad. RIP Owen.
I remember Over the Edge 99 like it was yesterday - when I was talking to people in my school the next day some thought the Owen incident was part of the storyline. I wonder how Reliving the War will cover the Owen memorial WCW Nitro match between Bret and Benoit - that could end up having its own dedicated video.
Dude ! When do you sleep ? Your a content producing machine!
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Wrestling Bios, you are awesome sir! I drive a lot for work and your wrestling history makes the day so much better! 🤘🏻thank you 🙏🏻
Random, but a video on the 2003 album “Be A Man” by Randy Savage would be super interesting. Maybe that can lead to a “wrestling album reviews/background” segment as well
That Album was unironicly good
Yes please!
My cousin showed me that back then we lost our minds
That was one of the best albums of 2003 out of nowhere
Be A Man prolly in my top 10 diss tracks honestly
@@aceassn716 @OliveMule I had to come back to say that I was in a record store today, and under the staff picks was the 2003 classic “Be A Man” in vinyl! I didn’t think it was anything other than a CD, let alone still being pressed
Its noticeable a lot of the worst rated events are from 1999. I guess this year was seen as a step down from 1998 and 2000
exactly what I had thought. ‘99 was a rough year
no no no ppvs werent that good but the crazy stuff was on raw it was the 2nd best year in wwe history behind 2000
@@eymanmohamed9440exactly. It's the worst ppvs but the quality overall was very, very high. The ppvs weren't great but Raw was otherworldly at that time.
@@eymanmohamed9440 good point, when I was watching it was all about Raw! The ppvs were good but I think ecw were the must-see pay per views
Prime Russo era. Probably controversial to say, but the wrestling didn't really feel that important.
I just watch any reliving the war PPV episode for
*Steve Mufuggin Blackman*
Fully Loaded 2000 will always be the best
What an amazing PPV. For me, Benoit vs The Rock killed it.
As soon as the somber music started to play we all knew what was coming
So much content in a time where I dont have much time for TH-cam. Cant wait to finally See all those videos
Ending with Owen's themes brought a little tear to my eyes, I'm not afraid to say 🖤
It was a nice touch
I would like to see this video about the RA era because there we’re definitely better ppvs in that era. While the attitude era had more star power and better build
I've no idea why, but a few weeks ago I couldn't get watching Armageddon 99 out of my head. Resubscribed to the Network and did just that. I had a great time!
I was at both of those Unforgiven PPVS. Seeing the Kennel from Hell match live wasn't so great for the audience. Although I'll never forget the Inferno match from the other one. Every time Taker or Kane took a bump, you could feel the explosion of heat. I enjoyed both PPV's but thats bc I was there.
Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for giving us all these unexpected uploads.
The Kennel From Hell commentary with Mick Foley and Kevin Kelly makes it so much better.
Imagine if the owners ... Eric & vince ... never got in the ring or turned into characters... they tipped the scales from believable to unbelievable for me
Vince McMahon with that poor excuse “Owen would have wanted the show to continue” I’m 100% certain and God Forbid if that was Shane on that harness he would have stopped the show immediately. That was a terrible decision by Vince McMahon!
I still cant believe that A. the harness had no issues during practices, and B. Whoever gave Owen the idea of that entrance (probably Russo considering Roddy Piper's comment during Russo's first run in TNA) thought it was a good idea
RIP Owen Hart, a class act!
I remember recording this event and when watching it, the Jeff Jarrett interview touching, even then i knew he was breaking character to provide support for a friend. Such a sad day :(
What sucks the most is that owen was planning on leaving to be with his family... Sad day indeed
Thanks again m8 these vids keep my wrestling stomach full.
Survivor Series 99 I felt so swindled bc they marketed that ppv as Austin v Rock v HHH and having it be Big Show instead was garbage. I hate when they shoot angles at PPV's.
Yeah that was borderline swindling behaviour. We also never got that HHH vs Austin vs Rock match.
Beautiful ending,RIP OWEN🙏
Over the Edge is definitely the worst. And it may not be the time or place but I fully am in the camp that the two Vince’s(Russo and McMahon) are responsible. They had a world class and well respected athlete and gave him a stupid ass gimmick from the 80’s. Resulting in a dangerous stunt and the loss of a life
The whole argument of “Owen would have wanted the show to go on” never made sense to me. Even if it’s true, it doesn’t really matter. You can’t have so many people experience trauma and tragedy and expect them to brush it off, no matter who would have wanted them to.
And the ring would have been a potential CRIME SCENE. At the time they didn’t know if it was a murder or an accident,.
@@catchcan221 Technically, it would be invountary manslaughter.
I didn't expect Over the Edge at #1 because I thought it would be excluded. While WWE deserves to be ass blasted for continuing the show, the talent that took part does not. It's a bit tasteless both to Owen's memory and the talent that CageMatch didn't remove ratings on this one.
It was more tasteless that Vince continued the show.
It was a ppv, why should it be excluded? Why is it tasteless to include? It was the worst ppv in wrestling history, and maybe the worst day in wrestling history. It’s tasteless the ppv continued after the tragedy. Saying it’s tasteless to have as the worst ppv because it’s disrespectful to the wrestlers is crazy.
I will never be Jeff Jarrett's greatest fan, but his Over The Edge interview is truly heartbreaking to watch.
He didn't 'know', but he knew. As did Jerry Lawler, Road Dogg, Debra etc.
They knew you just don't live through something like that.
A friend of mine had WM XV on VHS (remember those?) and since I didn't have Sky TV, I borrowed it and watched it more times than most have seen the ppv. It is not great and really didn't seem like the show of shows.
You're absolutely right about looking at the Attitude era in terms of rose tinted glasses.
Because the build was so fantastic
You had to be there to truly appreciate it. The internet pretty much ruined wrestling.
You both proved the op's point
While many of us do look at the Attitude Era & Monday Night War through somewhat rose tinted glasses the WWE in some aspects have gone to far the other way nowadays
@@Chuck_EL people calling a cool thing cool doesn't prove anything. i wasn't even alive during, let's say Feudal Japan, if i say ninjas or samurai are cool, is that nostalgia? no.
Funny how Vince Russo was in charge of creative for many of these
Everyone thought I was crazy back in 99 when I saying believe it or not wcw still had better matches an events.. despite that finger poke of doom garbage, their roster was stacked along with talent for TV, US, Cruiser, Tag titles
Oh man, number one is coming up on RTW and I know that's one that's gonna be hard to get through even this many years later 😢
Ok but can we talk about how smooth that slide-in by Shane is at 10:24
I’ll never forget 23rd May was my 13th birthday. So when I woke up on the morning of the 24th I didn’t know the results from the night before. I’ll never forget getting ready for school and having GMTV on the tv in the background. When they went to the news roundup, Owen’s death was the headline. I couldn’t believe it.
Honestly agreed. I get annoyed hearing these attitude Era D*"k Riders say "Attitude Era was prime WWE man nothing during that era was trash " when in reality there were a lot of trash in that era. Every Era in WWE has trash in them
Ironic because The Attitude Era was based on the Trash TV craze of the time lol
I may have missed it, but I would've made it clear what this time frame is. 'Attitude Era' is a tiny bit subjective to the exact start date. The end date is a bit more clear.
Whatever parameters people use, all the said ppv's are within the period most people use for the attitude Era. All the listed ppvs were from 98 to 2000.
@@anthonyanderson9303 This is not true at all. It's why I asked. Some think In started in 1996 with Austin's KOTR promo, or Survivor Series 1997, I could go on and on.
@@mulldrifterz6469I definitely think it should be considered to have started in 1996, especially with how close Bash at the Beach and King of the Ring were. It’s as clean a delineation as we really have. Anyone who thinks it took until Austin WON the world title is crazy. He changed the landscape long before that.
@@press_x_tojason It started March 10, 1997 with the RAW IS WAR rebranding and continued pervasive influence of rebellious SCSA & anti-authority DX.
0:20 Sable hanging out with all her friends
9:33
Watchable for JR's commentary alone with how he was ripping on Too Cool (mainly "Grandmaster Sexah").
And just think Ryan, you still have to cover most of these for Reliving the War. Joy!
The worst part about the whole Over the Edge situation is that it's going to be hard for the WWF to wipe that PPV from existence because the biggest title in the company changed hands the same night of the incident that made said PPV infamous and notorious. Especially considering the gimmick Undertaker had in 1999, if they weren't going to cancel the show immediately after the fall, they could have postponed the title change until the next week on Raw or at the next PPV or even the night after would, if nothing else, help with erasing Over the Edge 1999 from the history books.
Owen, you are missed. One of the best to ever lace up a pair of boots!
Good video.
I was trying to think what could be number 1 worst.
I didnt even consider Over the Edge. Such a tragedy.
Can't argue with OTE '99 being the worst PPV just from an emotional standpoint.
I remember my cousin and I being disappointed they wasted a KOTR on Billy Gunn. I loved him as a kid but even I knew he wasn't on the level of guys like The Rock, Austin, or Taker.
Not sure it counts as Attitude Era, but I'm surprised to see DX In Your House wasn't on here. A main event that we knew Ken Shamrock wouldn't win and a heavily promoted Sgt. Slaughter match.
Lol bought a couple of these vhs recently, did not know they all would be on this list 😂 great video ✌️
Just to note, the topic of "the show must go on" did come up prior, after Brian Pillman's passing, at which Owen, a longtime friend of Pillman from the Stampede days, did want the show to go on and had his match with Farooq at In Your House 18 just a few hours later. It's not quite a 1:1 situation but I believe anyone who knew him who says its what he would have wanted.
Except you're talking out-of-context. Truth be told, Owen may have wrestled for a living, but unlike the rest of the Harts, he didn't live for wrestling. He was a family man & humanitarian first. Wrestling was only a means to an end for him. Once his contract was up, he was going to leave the ring behind forever & switch to a kind of civil servant job for the city of Calgary.
I didn't see Over the Edge live. I was hanging out with friends. I remember thinking to myself that I was missing it and was wondering what was happening. I got home in time for the replay of the broadcast that always started immediately after the live show ended. I didn't rent it but I listen on the PPV channel to what was happening but the picture would be scrambled. So I listened as I played video games. He would have already passed away by this time but I was still oblivious. I remember being shocked when I eventually found out 3 hours later than most wrestling fans. Owen Hart was my favorite. Hard to believe that was 24 and a half years ago.
I found out the same way you did, scrambled PPV and all. It was heartbreaking then, and still is to this day.
Heh.... Kind of ironic in my mind that 1999 was the year that WCW started to falter, and yet the majority of shows on this list are from 1999.
WCW For Life.
WCW PPVs were surprisingly good throughout 98-99 a lot of the right people won (Especially the cruisers) now flipping the channel the WWF had really hot TV and some good moments in their big 4 PPVs Summerslam, Mania , Rumble and Survivor Series
I don't remember what I was doing on May 23, 1999. Since it was the start of summer vacation, I was probably at a friend's house who didn't really watch wrestling. I didn't find out about Owen Hart's death until the next night on Raw.
I instantly thought over the edge 99 but didn't think it would Qualify
still can't watch over the edge to this day
I attended a lot of wrestling events around the time owen died and really felt for the fams who attended this event and those who wrestled after the show was made to carry on
At that time owen was one of my top 3 wrestlers. I never understood why he needed to do the blue blazer. All he needed was a little push. He even owned the nugget gimmick and played it like a true heel. That dude had a lot of talent
I absolutely hated that first "Inferno Match". I can see how they thought it would look amazing, and it probably sounded awesome on paper. But in execution, it looked far less impressive. The fire didn't look very dangerous. And they had this idea that probably sounded great where every time someone got slammed in the ring, they would blast that gas and make a giant fireball every time. It probably sounded on paper like, "The audience would feel the mystical power of the Undertaker and his Brother". The thing that was so annoying about it was that whoever was operating the gas line didn't seem to know when a big move was going to happen, and when the gas was triggered, it was always too late or in times when no move was happening. I don't think that whoever was operating the gas line knew what to watch for with wrestling moves to get the timing right. The timing of the flame bursts was way out of sync with the match. And on top of that, instead of feeling "The mythical power of the brothers", all we heard was the loud hiss of the gas lines. That combined with the very VERY out of sync fireball triggering, led to a match that just killed the suspension of belief. It made you feel less of the "Power of the brothers" and instead made you feel, "The crew backstage working the special effects". And then the whole finish where it was obvious who was going to win when you saw Kane get smothered in fire gel. And I also remember this match being a bit toned down for an Undertaker vs Kane match, probably for safety reasons. I remember just wanting that match to end after just watching it for a short time.
Over the edge we don't ever discuss
Every era has its ups and down, nothing is perfect, but their is no doubt the attitude era was the hottest time in pro wrestling history, an era where everybody got over, it proof that the tradition of the 80's need it to step aside in order for the business to get better and it did, wrestling got More graphic, and more unique
Another great video as always.thank you 🍺🤘😎