I feel like a valid option in the Fiddle/Shaco case might have been also doing Blue -> Red -> Krugs -> Raptors -> Wolves -> Gromp into bot scuttle. I usually find myself on the other side of the matchup (as I play mostly invaders, Kindred, Graves, Rengar, Nidalee and so on and so forth) and I feel like the ONLY time I really get screwed is when the enemy junglers do a reverse clear such as the one i mentioned. It's unexpected (because inherently inefficient) and at least for me, it throws me off every time. I end up losing quite some time, with the enemy jungler basically having a slower but safer full clear and a scuttle (In this case bot scuttle after gromp would have been kinda free for Fiddle and you still keep a "safe" bot gank or just a reset) while i'm taking my 4/5th camp (because of the tempo loss for invading a clear quadrant). Also, when you reverse clear it's harder for the enemy jungler to time your camp as everyone of us is used to the 4:20 -> First respawn, but with the slower clear the camp will respawn around 4:50. Idk, at least speaking for myself as I like to play very aggressive, I feel like it might be interesting for the full clearers here to know how I, as an invader, get countered pretty consistently. Also I feel like the idea of doing the whole blue side and then skip raptors to go red doesn't really work, or at least not consistently, because if you are playing a fast clearer (Karthus, Nocturne or whatever) and the enemy is playing Graves/Kindred, the enemy would just go Red -> Skip redside -> Gromp -> Blue into your Red and that's not cool, because you find yourselves both lv 3, the enemy invader has a red buff, you don't and most probably you are also a weaker champ lv 3. So yeah, those were my two bits Anyway, thanks as always for the godly work out here. :)
I find it impossible to meet a karthus @ his red lvl 3, karthus clearing full blue, raptors then red by the time I do red/blue/gromp and get there as rengar its like 2:40/50 and his red is already done/10% hp dragged up towards krugs. Any tips how/where invade karthus?
@@tungngo7884Just play Nidalee, it isn’t rocket science. Learn decision making and be disciplined enough to not make the same mistake you’ve done last game. There’s no secret formula to being a jungler 😉
What a stupid comment LMAO I literally play the game. I literally have put this in videos x100 with ME in it. And what? This is a predetermined strategy so you can just implement it next game. Someone tell Tex Winter he wasn't allowed to invent the Triangle Offense because he didn't play pro basketball :(
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I am an 'evil spawn of nature' shaco main and god i loved this video
oh no..... WE GAVE THEM THE INFORMATION FOR FREEEEE
I feel like a valid option in the Fiddle/Shaco case might have been also doing Blue -> Red -> Krugs -> Raptors -> Wolves -> Gromp into bot scuttle.
I usually find myself on the other side of the matchup (as I play mostly invaders, Kindred, Graves, Rengar, Nidalee and so on and so forth) and I feel like the ONLY time I really get screwed is when the enemy junglers do a reverse clear such as the one i mentioned. It's unexpected (because inherently inefficient) and at least for me, it throws me off every time. I end up losing quite some time, with the enemy jungler basically having a slower but safer full clear and a scuttle (In this case bot scuttle after gromp would have been kinda free for Fiddle and you still keep a "safe" bot gank or just a reset) while i'm taking my 4/5th camp (because of the tempo loss for invading a clear quadrant). Also, when you reverse clear it's harder for the enemy jungler to time your camp as everyone of us is used to the 4:20 -> First respawn, but with the slower clear the camp will respawn around 4:50. Idk, at least speaking for myself as I like to play very aggressive, I feel like it might be interesting for the full clearers here to know how I, as an invader, get countered pretty consistently.
Also I feel like the idea of doing the whole blue side and then skip raptors to go red doesn't really work, or at least not consistently, because if you are playing a fast clearer (Karthus, Nocturne or whatever) and the enemy is playing Graves/Kindred, the enemy would just go Red -> Skip redside -> Gromp -> Blue into your Red and that's not cool, because you find yourselves both lv 3, the enemy invader has a red buff, you don't and most probably you are also a weaker champ lv 3. So yeah, those were my two bits
Anyway, thanks as always for the godly work out here. :)
I find it impossible to meet a karthus @ his red lvl 3, karthus clearing full blue, raptors then red by the time I do red/blue/gromp and get there as rengar its like 2:40/50 and his red is already done/10% hp dragged up towards krugs.
Any tips how/where invade karthus?
Obligatory comment to help with the algorithm slavelord. Much appreciated breakdown of a very useful state of game and solution.
As a grandmasters Nidalee player, I’ve mastered counter invading and I bully the Kha zix and Shacos for lunch ;)
Bro really? How can i learn to play nidalee right now?
I know nidalee mechanics and can combo smoothly but I dont know how to jungle as nidalee
@@tungngo7884Just play Nidalee, it isn’t rocket science. Learn decision making and be disciplined enough to not make the same mistake you’ve done last game. There’s no secret formula to being a jungler 😉
I hate beeing invaded but i love cheese
You are a very complex individual
Bring back the 2 and a half gods song or gtfo
🧀 cheese can work wdym
Not with the BEST FUNDAMENTALS
Yes even challenger players cant play against early invaders and someone who not playing the game and just watching VOD's can...
What a stupid comment LMAO I literally play the game. I literally have put this in videos x100 with ME in it. And what? This is a predetermined strategy so you can just implement it next game. Someone tell Tex Winter he wasn't allowed to invent the Triangle Offense because he didn't play pro basketball :(
what assassin jungler thats a team fighter champ do u recommend? (besides hecarim)
min 4:10 he could just use Shaco's W to ward the gromp and reset timer
Tier list ?