Hey everyone this has been asked a few time and I missed displaying it along with fully explaining how I do the example shown. This is for Mythic+ only :) Divine Toll < Daybreak - Is a great instant damage combo you should use. I show the combo of Daybreak < Divine Toll and forgot to mention it's really Holy Shock (Spread 4-5 on Enemies) < Daybreak < Divine Toll < Spend Daybreak Holy Shocks as damage This yields a little more DPS and prolongs the amount of damage you can do. Sticking to doing Divine Toll < Daybreak is perfectly fine and very easy to do. One combo is not necessarily better than the other. Thanks so much for the overwhelming support on this video, I will continue to make Holy Pally guides :) Good luck and have fun out there!
Mythic+ Update: Beacon of Virtue is great to take in these dungones! Ruby Life Pools, Halls of Infusion and Azure Vault. Updates and tips will be posted throughout the season on the community Discord. Link in the description!
@@shajandarbani7991 100%! It’s personal preference imo and I personally find in some dungeons it feels better to run double beacon. Always run whichever works best for you though 😄
I am a long time p server player. Primarily 1.12.1 servers. I recently came to retail at a friends request and I was 1. Blown away by the QoL changes and 2. Overwhelmed by all the class changes for H Pal. I was sticking to ret because I enjoy it and it’s pretty easy to understand, but thanks to your video I think I can wrap my head around healing. Thanks a ton for the video. You said it in a way that made sense. Was simple. Had good visual aid. The music wasn’t too loud. Your voice isn’t annoying. All around 10/10 video. Thanks a lot.
For the helmet enchant, killing the first boss gnarlroot in the amirdrasil raid will start a quest for it. After you kill him and loot the item, look behind you for the npcsbehimd you to catch up, and turn it in. This will give you q new quest to kill 4 specific bosses in the raid, and collect 50 of an item that drop off any of the bosses. You can complete this quest by doing a full clear in LFR then a few extra bosses on normal or herioc. The helm enchant is rather good for healers, as it gives your heals a chance to put a large absorb shield on any target you heal. If the shield is broken it then puts a hot on them, and if it doesn't break it gives them some versatility. Also the enchant automatically changes with your spec, between a healing, tanking, and dps version. It is pretty good in all 3 specs and the effect increases with your helmets item level.
Since I have never played a paladin, I am planning to go for Holy Pal in TWW. Is there any possibility to get guide like this on the new datadisk? It would be great. :-D
I strongly recommend anyone watching this guide to not use the second flame. Compared to the burst healing you can do with the group buff flame, its insane the second flame's just a lack luster imho otherwise nice guide
OMG came back to the game in march after 3 years break, and I read icy veins and methods and wowhead and nobody told me things like you don't put beacons on tanks any more and what to do with the 4 seasons blessings etc. TY so much. PS: I notice that your M+ talent tree does not take "Tower of Glory", the talent that makes FoL and HL generate HP. Can you explain why? HP spenders suck in M+ ?
HP spenders are good in M+ not good in raid. M+ you want to deal damage raid it’s not so important. You don’t take the extra holy power generator in M+ because you won’t need it.
Hey! Awesome video. Thx mate. Are there some brakepoints in statweights? Krit with flask at 40% and haste 35% like last season or how does it work with the new tierset?
You’d think you want to use it but it’s not the best AOE heal or holy power spender M+. Typically in M+ AOE damage will hit everyone or just a few people. Since you’re in melee Light of Dawn relies on everyone being in melee for it to be affective. Your AOE combos are much more effective in M+ then Light of Dawn especially with Hand of Divinity and Holy Light with our talent that allows it to hit 5 targets. In the case of only a few people being hit by AOE Holy Shock and Word of Glory is more effective since you don’t rely on the position of everyone. Hope this provides more clarity! Let me know if you have any other questions.
DT and DB for damage is also correct. I do that as well in some cases for instant burst damage. I personally like to get as many glimmers out on targets that I can (max 5) before DB for initial damage then DT for more damage then use my holy shock DB. I like to do it this way so I use my holy shocks to hit five targets dealing more consistent damage over the course of the fight. While still getting that damage increase from DB. It’s the manual way of the same effect that prolongs the damage you can do just a little bit. Do whichever you prefer:)
I forgot to mention this option and didn’t explain mine fully. Divine Toll into Daybreak works! It’s great instant damage. I do, do this. In other cases I will holy shock 3-5 targets then daybreak for the damage into divine toll to hit 5 targets then spend the holy shocks. Damage outcome is similar just a different and more prolonged damage outcome.
@@leupold777 On my Paladin I am more of a M+ player. I don’t currently provide direct coaching but I am happy to answer any questions on Discord. During my streams I teach and play. I’ll also be running dungeons/raids with the community as it grows more and plan on providing feedback and tips during those if people are looking for it.
Hell yeah! I'm so glad my guide was able to help you! When it comes to bullions you want to prio 1. Ominous Chromatic Essence (Best trinket if you have all the buffs from your party) 2. Screaming Black Dragonscale (Trinket) 3. Vakash, the Shadowed Inferno (Weapon) 4. Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart (Best for Mythic+ - Replace Chromatic Essence if you don't have all the buffs, otherwise replace Screaming Black Dragonscale) 5. Calamity's Herald (Shield)
With pre patch live some information in the video is out dated now. At the moment moving forward into the War Within you'll want to stack Crit > Haste for both M+ and Raid.
@@marwanselim94 Mastery is increased healing based on your location and your beacon targets. Crit is just larger heals and with some new talents one heal with a big crit can fully top people. Combo that with high haste your instant cast and sub 1.5 sec cast you’re doing huge heals all the time. TLDR Crit does provides more healing than mastery
one thing that put me of holy paladins , and ive been a holy main since Legion , I dont like casting in raids , i miss the old days of the mellee builder :(
I wish I was able to experience that in Raid! I just started playing the spec last season. Mythic+ healing is far more fun than raid healing as an hpal imo. The melee building of holy power makes it so fun! Fingers crossed hero talents change it up a bit for us!
@@YaBoySquints Yea i really hope they bring back Hpal SL Build as mellee . God it was such fun time's , DF has sort of put me off it . I love the M+ Build as its mellee . But it just doesnt feel good at all in Raids . Hopefully they listen to the community and make changes and bring back the good times of Holy Paladins :D
I’m confused.. holy paladin has been a heavy caster until they received glimmer of light. What they should do is make both builds melee and casting viable. Very boring to just have the same build for both raid and M+. Their mastery is garbage. Wished they still had illuminated healing mastery.
@@stevenrussell8917 In shadowlands they where definitely not a heavy caster . Compared to now your forced to run Caster build where you are not really in doing any dps for your holy procs . Shadowlands was prob the most fun side of holy . And I hope one day that side comes back . Cause I do not enjoy Heavy Casting in raids . I want the full melee combo holy builder spender build back , Maybe one day it will come back . Maybe it wont , But since DF its put me off Holy hopefully that solves your confusion
@@IrishElu they have been a heavy caster until season 2 in BFA. Then they forgot all about their single target heals and made those abilities obsolete. I think they were trying to bring back casting in DF. Still, I’d like to have both melee and casting viable. Like MW is fun. You can melee or be a caster. I want holy paladin to be the same way.
It’s a personal preference of mine. I don’t feel hindered by not using Virtue in M+, it is perfectly viable in M+ though if you enjoy using it. Overall though for me it’s one less button to manage and its impact felt minimal.
It really is 😭 we didn’t even get hit with the healing nerf 🤣 I still find it fun to play though, challenging at times but in a fun way! I can only imagine how much easier some things are for other healers.
@@YaBoySquints as holy paladin is a half healer without cd and a healer with cd … I think it miss the meaning of cd that should make you more powerful and not on equal ground with other basic healing 🥴🥹
Bro why are you on every hpal video saying the same shit. It's a key or 2 behind druid. Most people don't have a 4 set yet and as far as raw output comparing logs shows it being right up there with everyone else.
Hey everyone this has been asked a few time and I missed displaying it along with fully explaining how I do the example shown. This is for Mythic+ only :)
Divine Toll < Daybreak - Is a great instant damage combo you should use.
I show the combo of Daybreak < Divine Toll and forgot to mention it's really
Holy Shock (Spread 4-5 on Enemies) < Daybreak < Divine Toll < Spend Daybreak Holy Shocks as damage
This yields a little more DPS and prolongs the amount of damage you can do. Sticking to doing Divine Toll < Daybreak is perfectly fine and very easy to do. One combo is not necessarily better than the other.
Thanks so much for the overwhelming support on this video, I will continue to make Holy Pally guides :) Good luck and have fun out there!
Mythic+
Update: Beacon of Virtue is great to take in these dungones! Ruby Life Pools, Halls of Infusion and Azure Vault.
Updates and tips will be posted throughout the season on the community Discord. Link in the description!
@@YaBoySquintstru
U usually still play that talent in m+
@@shajandarbani7991 100%! It’s personal preference imo and I personally find in some dungeons it feels better to run double beacon. Always run whichever works best for you though 😄
I am a long time p server player. Primarily 1.12.1 servers. I recently came to retail at a friends request and I was 1. Blown away by the QoL changes and 2. Overwhelmed by all the class changes for H Pal. I was sticking to ret because I enjoy it and it’s pretty easy to understand, but thanks to your video I think I can wrap my head around healing. Thanks a ton for the video. You said it in a way that made sense. Was simple. Had good visual aid. The music wasn’t too loud. Your voice isn’t annoying. All around 10/10 video. Thanks a lot.
Welcome back to Azeroth! Glad I was able to help you as you journey into retail! GLHF!
For the helmet enchant, killing the first boss gnarlroot in the amirdrasil raid will start a quest for it. After you kill him and loot the item, look behind you for the npcsbehimd you to catch up, and turn it in. This will give you q new quest to kill 4 specific bosses in the raid, and collect 50 of an item that drop off any of the bosses. You can complete this quest by doing a full clear in LFR then a few extra bosses on normal or herioc.
The helm enchant is rather good for healers, as it gives your heals a chance to put a large absorb shield on any target you heal. If the shield is broken it then puts a hot on them, and if it doesn't break it gives them some versatility. Also the enchant automatically changes with your spec, between a healing, tanking, and dps version. It is pretty good in all 3 specs and the effect increases with your helmets item level.
Holy paladin is a healing spec iv always wanted to learn bc it seems so complicated, im giving it a try!
Good luck! It’s a fun spec imo!
Since I have never played a paladin, I am planning to go for Holy Pal in TWW. Is there any possibility to get guide like this on the new datadisk? It would be great. :-D
@@jantrojak6856 yes! Class guides for Paladin will drop as soon as possible. Just have to play them enough on TWW!
I strongly recommend anyone watching this guide to not use the second flame. Compared to the burst healing you can do with the group buff flame, its insane
the second flame's just a lack luster imho otherwise nice guide
OMG came back to the game in march after 3 years break, and I read icy veins and methods and wowhead and nobody told me things like you don't put beacons on tanks any more and what to do with the 4 seasons blessings etc. TY so much. PS: I notice that your M+ talent tree does not take "Tower of Glory", the talent that makes FoL and HL generate HP. Can you explain why? HP spenders suck in M+ ?
Welcome back! Glad I could help! GLHF!
most run virtue now its just very strong in a lot of situations
HP spenders are good in M+ not good in raid. M+ you want to deal damage raid it’s not so important. You don’t take the extra holy power generator in M+ because you won’t need it.
Hey! Awesome video. Thx mate.
Are there some brakepoints in statweights? Krit with flask at 40% and haste 35% like last season or how does it work with the new tierset?
At the moment there are no specific amounts we are trying to hit. You can always Questionablyepic to sim and optimize your gear.
any reason why you never mentioned light of dawn in the mythic + ? like do we really not use that in dungeons ?
seems like the perfect place to use it
You’d think you want to use it but it’s not the best AOE heal or holy power spender M+. Typically in M+ AOE damage will hit everyone or just a few people. Since you’re in melee Light of Dawn relies on everyone being in melee for it to be affective. Your AOE combos are much more effective in M+ then Light of Dawn especially with Hand of Divinity and Holy Light with our talent that allows it to hit 5 targets. In the case of only a few people being hit by AOE Holy Shock and Word of Glory is more effective since you don’t rely on the position of everyone.
Hope this provides more clarity! Let me know if you have any other questions.
paladin discord and guides say to DB then DT for healing and DT then DB for dmg, but you say to always DB then DT?
DT and DB for damage is also correct. I do that as well in some cases for instant burst damage. I personally like to get as many glimmers out on targets that I can (max 5) before DB for initial damage then DT for more damage then use my holy shock DB. I like to do it this way so I use my holy shocks to hit five targets dealing more consistent damage over the course of the fight. While still getting that damage increase from DB. It’s the manual way of the same effect that prolongs the damage you can do just a little bit.
Do whichever you prefer:)
Why daybreak before divine toll? I thought you would use divine toll to spread shocks to get glimmer out before activating daybreak.
I forgot to mention this option and didn’t explain mine fully. Divine Toll into Daybreak works! It’s great instant damage. I do, do this. In other cases I will holy shock 3-5 targets then daybreak for the damage into divine toll to hit 5 targets then spend the holy shocks. Damage outcome is similar just a different and more prolonged damage outcome.
Suggests dropping Tyr's Deliverance .. then includes it in AoE Healing rotation!
@@davok73 it’s suggested to be dropped in the alternative build, for players who want less buttons to manage. Sorry if that was unclear.
Great explanation to know rotations
flash heal and holy light produce holy power too
Good shout! But they only generate holy power in the Raid build I shared.
Great video man! Really helpful
Glad I could help! Have fun in S4!
@@YaBoySquintsdo you provide coaching at all. Are you more of a raider or M+
@@leupold777 On my Paladin I am more of a M+ player. I don’t currently provide direct coaching but I am happy to answer any questions on Discord. During my streams I teach and play. I’ll also be running dungeons/raids with the community as it grows more and plan on providing feedback and tips during those if people are looking for it.
Beacon of Virtue is use much more often.
insanely good video
Hey your guide made my healing SOOO MUCH BETTER! HOWEVER since we get to use our bullions soon what do we get in trinkets and gear
Hell yeah! I'm so glad my guide was able to help you! When it comes to bullions you want to prio
1. Ominous Chromatic Essence (Best trinket if you have all the buffs from your party)
2. Screaming Black Dragonscale (Trinket)
3. Vakash, the Shadowed Inferno (Weapon)
4. Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart (Best for Mythic+ - Replace Chromatic Essence if you don't have all the buffs, otherwise replace Screaming Black Dragonscale)
5. Calamity's Herald (Shield)
Why is Crit better than Mastery as a Holy Paladin in Mythic?
With pre patch live some information in the video is out dated now. At the moment moving forward into the War Within you'll want to stack Crit > Haste for both M+ and Raid.
@@YaBoySquints Why is Crit better for Holy Pals instead of Mastery?
@@marwanselim94 Mastery is increased healing based on your location and your beacon targets. Crit is just larger heals and with some new talents one heal with a big crit can fully top people. Combo that with high haste your instant cast and sub 1.5 sec cast you’re doing huge heals all the time.
TLDR Crit does provides more healing than mastery
how do i get helm enchant
You have to run the latest raid Amirdrassil. The quest will be at the entrance. You can do it on LFR. It takes about one and half clears to get it.
Fantastic video.
Thank you! GLHF healing your way through Season 4!
If only you did a fast guide for restoration druid
Thank you
what was the WA u were sayin? :)
Luxthos! It’s the WA right under my character with all my abilities and buffs. You can find all of his class WA on luxthos.com 😁
one thing that put me of holy paladins , and ive been a holy main since Legion , I dont like casting in raids , i miss the old days of the mellee builder :(
I wish I was able to experience that in Raid! I just started playing the spec last season.
Mythic+ healing is far more fun than raid healing as an hpal imo. The melee building of holy power makes it so fun! Fingers crossed hero talents change it up a bit for us!
@@YaBoySquints Yea i really hope they bring back Hpal SL Build as mellee . God it was such fun time's , DF has sort of put me off it . I love the M+ Build as its mellee . But it just doesnt feel good at all in Raids . Hopefully they listen to the community and make changes and bring back the good times of Holy Paladins :D
I’m confused.. holy paladin has been a heavy caster until they received glimmer of light. What they should do is make both builds melee and casting viable. Very boring to just have the same build for both raid and M+. Their mastery is garbage. Wished they still had illuminated healing mastery.
@@stevenrussell8917 In shadowlands they where definitely not a heavy caster . Compared to now your forced to run Caster build where you are not really in doing any dps for your holy procs . Shadowlands was prob the most fun side of holy . And I hope one day that side comes back . Cause I do not enjoy Heavy Casting in raids . I want the full melee combo holy builder spender build back , Maybe one day it will come back . Maybe it wont , But since DF its put me off Holy hopefully that solves your confusion
@@IrishElu they have been a heavy caster until season 2 in BFA. Then they forgot all about their single target heals and made those abilities obsolete. I think they were trying to bring back casting in DF. Still, I’d like to have both melee and casting viable. Like MW is fun. You can melee or be a caster. I want holy paladin to be the same way.
Why use Beacon of faith instead of Beacon of virtue for M+
It’s a personal preference of mine. I don’t feel hindered by not using Virtue in M+, it is perfectly viable in M+ though if you enjoy using it. Overall though for me it’s one less button to manage and its impact felt minimal.
@@YaBoySquints What targets do you place your beacons on? Squishy DPS or Tank/Yourself
@@wildstrike1516 in M+ always squishy DPS. In raid depending on the fight squishy range/healers or the main tank.
Cuz no H Pally enjoys it in tank busting M+ 😅
Jesus. It looks so confuse
Holy paladin is just basement healer … sorry if not buff rework this class isn’t working and in every stats you look m+/raid is last healer 😢
It really is 😭 we didn’t even get hit with the healing nerf 🤣 I still find it fun to play though, challenging at times but in a fun way! I can only imagine how much easier some things are for other healers.
@@YaBoySquints as holy paladin is a half healer without cd and a healer with cd … I think it miss the meaning of cd that should make you more powerful and not on equal ground with other basic healing 🥴🥹
Bro why are you on every hpal video saying the same shit. It's a key or 2 behind druid. Most people don't have a 4 set yet and as far as raw output comparing logs shows it being right up there with everyone else.