Truman should have had either the USS California or USS Nevada, both ships which survived the Pearl Harbor attack, be the ship that the Japanese signs the surrender on.
Imagine the psychological impact of having a ship sunk at Pearl Harbor be parked in Tokyo Bay for the unconditional surrender. "There ain't no grave, can hold my body down."
It wasn't his choice. It was Nimitz's. And Nimitz put it quite plainly. If things went bad he wanted to be standing on something that had the best chance of fighting it's way out. West Virginia was sitting alongside Missouri for the ceremony. Plus part of the ceremony was an act of diplomatic social and visual shock and awe. The Iowa's were much larger than anything else. Longer even than the Yamatos. They wanted something much bigger alongside the Nagato
If any ship deserved the honor of the unconditional surrender it should’ve gone to the USS Enterprise. Granted it was in drydock getting repairs done when the japanese surrendered but the Enterprise was the last Yorktown class carrier and the japanese couldn’t kill her even though they tried so many times.
Going from the bottom of Pearl Harbor to relaunching in Washington state would be a huge undertaking. Widening the hull of a battleship in the best of times would be a huge undertaking. Accomplishing both in just over two years? To me that is absolutely mind blowing.
@user-pj5by8lx2m The movie car was a mix of two years, 1957 and 1958. And a mix of two models, Plymouth Fury and Plymouth Belvedere. What you said is hilarious 😂 though. I didn't even think of that.
I've noticed. You make a pretty valid point. There's a lot more European theater footage than Pacific, and he's got to fill 15-20 minutes each time. I've been harsh on this guy's channels for a few things in the past. Likely too harsh, and I'll own that. I only got really worked up over one, and thought it was warranted. This one was pretty good though. I like the story of the California. A true phoenix rising from its ashes.
And if you've been ripping him apart over it you've likely run into me. I'm one of the few who realised cell phones weren't a thing back then and the fact that there's ANY pearl harbour footage at all is basically a miracle
Battle of Pearl Harbor...... of That Battle of the eight (8) Battleships that were sunk/damaged...SIX (6) would return to Service, one (1) of them CALIFORNIA BB-44. As Mentioned..... during World War II.... CALIFORNIA fought in several battles, of which she participated in Battle of Surigao Strait in the Philippines. There, with FOUR (4) of her "sisters" of Pearl, PENNSYLVANIA, TENNESSEE, MARYLAND, & WEST VIRGINIA ( as well as CALIFORNIA ), & MISSISSIPPI ( which was Not in Pearl ) maneuver into what we in the USN call "Crossing The ' T ' " .... Here USN ships are on "top" of the ' T ', while IJN ships were moving Up the ' T ' ..... Thus disrupting/destroying the IJN Fleet moving up Surigao Strait! That and other ships of DD and PTs, are going to do a L O T of damage!!! Graphic..... ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ = USN BATTLESHIP \ \ I / / = gun firing onto ships X X X = IJN fleet ships X X Thus as the IJN fleet was moving up..... USN BB's would move their Main Guns and fire Broadsides into...... Each... And.... EVERY ship........ coming UP the ' T " A Classic Naval Engagement..... how do I know.... USN Veteran 20+ years, who KNOWS His history of This Engagement!! 84 - 05
@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Which battle are You talking about........?? "Sneak attack .... ", Ummmm, Americans DID Try to defend themselves at Pearl, VALIANTLY, the Best they Could, under the circumstances.
@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe IF .... you look up the 'comment' I made, I mention two (2) Battles.... So, Why Don't You, clarify yourself instead of trying to argue with a Veteran.......... who has "Been There" By-the-way..... you need to get more 'Subs' if you need to continue this conversation, and Post Something.........(not) Good talking to ya.
"Caliber" in artillery parlance is the length of the barrel in relation to bore diameter. A 14"/50 caliber was 50 times 14" , or somewhere around 59' long. The US Navy also used 14"/ 45 caliber cannon in that era.
I’m always astounded by the fact that our Navy, in “peacetime” 1941, was armed and ready with ammunition available to the guns. I was deployed with the 82d Airborne during Operation Desert Shield, and we were ordered to turn in our ammunition. The Army effectively disarmed its own troops. We didn’t’ get it back until we pushed forward in Operation Desert Storm. The Navy in 1941 did it right. The Army in 1991 (corrected from 81) was entirely stupid.
And considering the rate things are going in Caifornia now... They may want to post a guard on that ships bell before it gets stolen and recycled for its copper :(
The United States Pacific Fleet was moved to Pearl Harbor by FDR despite numerous USN Admirals adamantly protesting this move. This was to intice the Japanese into a war. Despite this I loved the video and story.
The fleet had to be closer to the coming action. Who knew it would be at Pearl Harbor? You? Or had you even been born. Hindsight is almost always 100% right.
I can't imagine resurrecting a battleship... I look at my house and think holee fuk, where do I even begin, and its just particle board and low grade construction materials..
As a MUCH younger man, i had the honor to know a man who was a young sailor at this time. He was in the aleuttians during Pearl. They got orders to go there for aid. Buck told me when they got there, the men were still stunned. He learned that most ships barely had the required skeleton crews during the attack. He and others (after learning more ALL said the men were allowed to die so the US would enter the war. The means and ability to defend pearl were there!
I notice that Doris Miller is simultaneously on every single battleship that "Dark Seas" depicts during the battle at Pearl Harbor. He could sure move fast (see 7:08... joking, everybody, I am joking... but DS needs to find some new footage).
There seems to be a lot less Pacific theater footage than European. Maybe due to how dynamic naval warfare is and the tight constraints of ships as opposed to land forces and billets for combat cameramen? I'm just guessing. Also, in Europe there is a lot of German footage as well, whereas the Japanese took very little footage, or little survived.
Great story, great heroes, great courage ...... and great gratitude for posting.
Truman should have had either the USS California or USS Nevada, both ships which survived the Pearl Harbor attack, be the ship that the Japanese signs the surrender on.
I always thought it should have been Pennsylvania to honor Arizona
Imagine the psychological impact of having a ship sunk at Pearl Harbor be parked in Tokyo Bay for the unconditional surrender.
"There ain't no grave, can hold my body down."
It wasn't his choice. It was Nimitz's. And Nimitz put it quite plainly. If things went bad he wanted to be standing on something that had the best chance of fighting it's way out. West Virginia was sitting alongside Missouri for the ceremony.
Plus part of the ceremony was an act of diplomatic social and visual shock and awe. The Iowa's were much larger than anything else. Longer even than the Yamatos. They wanted something much bigger alongside the Nagato
@@andrewtaylor940, it was truman’s choice. Truman was from Missouri so he wanted the surrender on his home state’s ship.
If any ship deserved the honor of the unconditional surrender it should’ve gone to the USS Enterprise. Granted it was in drydock getting repairs done when the japanese surrendered but the Enterprise was the last Yorktown class carrier and the japanese couldn’t kill her even though they tried so many times.
Going from the bottom of Pearl Harbor to relaunching in Washington state would be a huge undertaking.
Widening the hull of a battleship in the best of times would be a huge undertaking.
Accomplishing both in just over two years? To me that is absolutely mind blowing.
She was melted down and was repurposed into two 1960 Chrysler Imperials. 😂
Was one of them Christine or was she a different make😅
@user-pj5by8lx2m The movie car was a mix of two years, 1957 and 1958. And a mix of two models, Plymouth Fury and Plymouth Belvedere. What you said is hilarious 😂 though. I didn't even think of that.
Could have become a Honda 🛵🇯🇵
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@donmertle9099 I was talking about cars with steel in them,not half made of plastic.
Back in the early 70's the California and San Francisco were being towed to Japan as scrap . Probably ended up as a Toyota .
The state and people of California should have saved this ship as a memorial museum, like other states have done.
California rewrites history it doesn't preserve it.
The ship wasn't legal in California
@@thetoasterisonfire2080 I have never heard that before. What was it, environmental concerns?
@theboz8161
No, it's a joke about California firearm laws and just laws in general not making sense.
Nothing is sacred in California. You've seen the news the last few years?
A mighty fine ship
Please don't give these videos too much grief. There's only so much footage available. We've all see the SBD's pretending to be Vals a million times
Lol
I've noticed. You make a pretty valid point. There's a lot more European theater footage than Pacific, and he's got to fill 15-20 minutes each time. I've been harsh on this guy's channels for a few things in the past. Likely too harsh, and I'll own that. I only got really worked up over one, and thought it was warranted. This one was pretty good though. I like the story of the California. A true phoenix rising from its ashes.
@@rtyrsson Thank you for admitting.....Show Great "Bravery" to admit error(s), I had to do that a few times....👍👍👍
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And if you've been ripping him apart over it you've likely run into me. I'm one of the few who realised cell phones weren't a thing back then and the fact that there's ANY pearl harbour footage at all is basically a miracle
Battle of Pearl Harbor...... of That Battle of the eight (8) Battleships that were sunk/damaged...SIX (6) would return to Service, one (1) of them CALIFORNIA BB-44.
As Mentioned..... during World War II.... CALIFORNIA fought in several battles, of which she participated in Battle of Surigao Strait in the Philippines. There, with FOUR (4) of her "sisters" of Pearl, PENNSYLVANIA, TENNESSEE, MARYLAND, & WEST VIRGINIA ( as well as CALIFORNIA ), & MISSISSIPPI ( which was Not in Pearl ) maneuver into what we in the USN call "Crossing The ' T ' " .... Here USN ships are on "top" of the ' T ', while IJN ships were moving Up the ' T ' ..... Thus disrupting/destroying the IJN Fleet moving up Surigao Strait! That and other ships of DD and PTs, are going to do a L O T of damage!!!
Graphic..... ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ = USN BATTLESHIP
\ \ I / / = gun firing onto ships
X
X
X = IJN fleet ships
X
X
Thus as the IJN fleet was moving up..... USN BB's would move their Main Guns and fire Broadsides into...... Each... And.... EVERY ship........ coming UP the ' T "
A Classic Naval Engagement..... how do I know....
USN Veteran
20+ years, who KNOWS His history of This Engagement!!
84 - 05
Not a battle. One side needs to defend themselves. Sneak attack or not.
@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Which battle are You talking about........??
"Sneak attack .... ", Ummmm, Americans DID Try to defend themselves at Pearl, VALIANTLY, the Best they Could, under the circumstances.
@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P Battle.mentioned previously. Valor defending a Paper Tiger?
@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe IF .... you look up the 'comment' I made, I mention two (2) Battles....
So, Why Don't You, clarify yourself instead of trying to argue with a Veteran.......... who has "Been There"
By-the-way..... you need to get more 'Subs' if you need to continue this conversation, and Post Something.........(not) Good talking to ya.
@@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P Past that already. Thanks.
Thank you so much for slowing your narration . Makes it easier to listen. Love your videos
Did you say that battleship California had 50 caliber guns? What are you talking about?2:28
"Caliber" in artillery parlance is the length of the barrel in relation to bore diameter. A 14"/50 caliber was 50 times 14" , or somewhere around 59' long. The US Navy also used 14"/ 45 caliber cannon in that era.
I’m always astounded by the fact that our Navy, in “peacetime” 1941, was armed and ready with ammunition available to the guns.
I was deployed with the 82d Airborne during Operation Desert Shield, and we were ordered to turn in our ammunition. The Army effectively disarmed its own troops.
We didn’t’ get it back until we pushed forward in Operation Desert Storm.
The Navy in 1941 did it right. The Army in 1991 (corrected from 81) was entirely stupid.
91?
Different world in 1941 the armed services were receiving constant war alerts from November on because of Europe situation.
@@6thmichcav262 typo. Thanks for the correction
@@LuoJun2 Thanks for your service. I was washing dishes in some dormitory when TSHTF.
I enjoy these videos 😁
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Thank you for sharing this
My uncle was on the California, he was a 40mm gunners mate.
Why at 1:08 did you say 10:02 PM?? Pretty sure it was 10:02 AM when the order was given to abandon ship.
The creativity and audacity they employ to create enticing titles is astounding.
My dad was on that ship that day. Brave sailors died that day he was lucky.
Proud of all these men!
And considering the rate things are going in Caifornia now... They may want to post a guard on that ships bell before it gets stolen and recycled for its copper :(
I'm out those thumbnails do my head in. From a long time watcher
The United States Pacific Fleet was moved to Pearl Harbor by FDR despite numerous USN Admirals adamantly protesting this move. This was to intice the Japanese into a war.
Despite this I loved the video and story.
The fleet had to be closer to the coming action. Who knew it would be at Pearl Harbor? You? Or had you even been born. Hindsight is almost always 100% right.
Wow I did not know this.
The battleship was scrapped. I feel that the same destiny should befall its namesake state.
Is that the voice of Rob Lowe???
Our guns wasn't even loaded ! ALL THE AMMO was stored below the decks. WE WASN'T EVEN PREPARE, FOR A SNEAK ATTACKED
The thumbnail made me think that was Vermont from WoWs
Now look 👀Japan is our Allie Funny how our allies are our enemies now, and our enemies are our allies A crazy world we live in
I can't imagine resurrecting a battleship... I look at my house and think holee fuk, where do I even begin, and its just particle board and low grade construction materials..
What is it with your exaggerated/fictional titles?
She's a good looking lady.
Why did we need Washington and New Jersey?
The last battleship vs battleship action ever. And war has been boring eversince
Uhm, did you check the video before uploading ? You put in the pearl harbor attack twice.
Quit nit-picking and just enjoy the video.
@@SkrixFox it was literally the same 5 minutes of the video, buddy.
As a MUCH younger man, i had the honor to know a man who was a young sailor at this time. He was in the aleuttians during Pearl. They got orders to go there for aid.
Buck told me when they got there, the men were still stunned. He learned that most ships barely had the required skeleton crews during the attack. He and others (after learning more ALL said the men were allowed to die so the US would enter the war.
The means and ability to defend pearl were there!
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米新型やパールハーバー旧戦艦組と大和のあったかもしれない沖縄艦隊決戦、大和の最後のための対米艦隊戦闘が見たかった。
I notice that Doris Miller is simultaneously on every single battleship that "Dark Seas" depicts during the battle at Pearl Harbor. He could sure move fast (see 7:08... joking, everybody, I am joking... but DS needs to find some new footage).
There seems to be a lot less Pacific theater footage than European. Maybe due to how dynamic naval warfare is and the tight constraints of ships as opposed to land forces and billets for combat cameramen? I'm just guessing. Also, in Europe there is a lot of German footage as well, whereas the Japanese took very little footage, or little survived.
The surrender was in September and not August
That is correct, however American forces started gathering in Tokyo Bay at the end of August in preparation for that event.
Actually the Japanese did surrender in August but the "formal signing" wasn't until September.
😂lmao Thats Funny
She...not it
Unless you're Russian or Polish and then it's a "he." Its a small matter.
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cheaper for you was getting a new ship of same model and give it same name uss california
it's the horrible ai narration I can't takr
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