Thanks for watching everyone and hope you’re having a great day! For anyone interested here’s my full review of the car: th-cam.com/video/6BVEhLBj7MQ/w-d-xo.html
Engineering Explained can you do a video on whether or not fuel is sent into the cylinder while coasting in gear, off the throttle. And if so, how much fuel? I can’t find a clear, decisive answer. Thanks!! Love the videos.
Engineering Explained I made a HHO discovery a couple of days ago. It has a much more efficient use of electricity. Saving fuel for all whom want to try it. The parts needed are two HHO cells wet or dry. Tubing, robust electrical connections, extra car battery is optional, flash arrestor, bubbler If you want to do a video on it? Then let me know, as I live near Preston.
Very very cool(dont know your name) What track was the test drive at? Great job and anyone Shopping for new car or going to school,Most definitely needs to subscribe.Fantastic,,73s
As you say at the end, cool that they have done it in a production car with a warranty. Having been involved in rallying, antilag isn't a new concept, but a rally car isn't under a new car warranty and can have a new turbo fitted every event as required. Cool tech for a road car and a brave move by Hyundai.
Will Whiteside I wouldn't say too much wear on the internal of the engine since it's designed for combustion on the downstroke of the piston, but for sure your stressing the exhaust and turbo because a bit of the combustion is happening outside the cylinders.
Will Whiteside basically just a more violent way to keep the turbo spoiled while off throttle, so the wear will be turbo, and probably the cat, not so much the engine its self.
Brock Duffy good thinking here from everybody. I'd like to add that when you let off the gas exhaust normally turns extremely lean. That's actually harder on a catalytic converter rather than easier. I think that this, if not to extreme could actually protect the catalytic converter from these lean times. I agree it pushes the turbo more, but hey, when you ask for that mode to be on you don't want the turbo spooled down. 👍
This antilag system sounds a lot less aggressive than others, I'm sure the engineers took extra wear into account. Doesn't quite sound like gunfire like aftermarket setups do
Fernde09 this also has to do this it being a production vehicle and having to pass epa regulations. Most vehicles that have an anti lag system installed are most likely decatted with maybe a secondary cat based on emissions in their area.
alex zoidberg engineers had surely been concerned with the material selection for manifold, turbine housing and wheel, and the degrees after TDC are not the same as what heavy motorsport applications use to...so I'll be fine with this 😉
TrumpCat ECUs like the Link G4+ usually have a toggle feature for it, it’s illegal not because of its mechanics but rather (in Australia being in its current nanny state) seen as a public nuisance and hoon-encouraging
I don't recall seeing anti-lag mentioned in vicroads rules or vics epa laws. As long as it's under 90bd (lol) and uses the stock ecu and map and has a cat it should be legal.
Avrilcadabra A guy I know who had an antilag system (with a Link ecu) fitted professionally on his 03 STi had his car marked a as ‘vehicle of interest’ by WA police and ended up up parting his whole car out because he would get pulled over everytime they saw him on the road.
Somehow since i've become a car guy, hyundai has gone from the laughingstock of the automotive world to being a respected brand. What a time to be alive.
Ciprian Dinu I feel like ever since the Genesis coupe they've been picking up their slack, they've definitely become a better company and right now I see that making better and better cars. Hopefully they can keep this up.
I was in China around New year 2012 when I first saw the Hyundai i40, which I think looks stunning. I remember thinking "wait, what? Since when did Hyundai hire an exterior designer?".
Spitfire, thought it was pretty clear. They just copied what other manufacturers have been doing for years. My 1988 Renault Alpine GTA V6 Turbo had antilag between shifts. The Merc A45 has had it since 2012. And so on...... Nothing new.
I am so glad you explained this Jason! A lot of people upload crap to TH-cam with misleading titles and descriptions regarding to supposed anti lag sounds from cars which turns out it is usually just some pops from the exaust. Besides, I consider this as a big and necessary step forward in road performance cars, no manufacturer did this before, although it has been used in rally cars since the late 80s... Many people out there saying turbo lag is nice... I can tell none of them have ever felt the difference between antilag activated and deactivated. Jesus Christ... GrA Evo's and Imprezas run damn fast with that thing!!! And they sound wonderful!
Wow! Great information!! No one here in Korea ever brought this up even at Namyang Proving Ground when I was invited to experience the pre production sample back in May. Now I see why this thing always felt like fully spooled up!!
Manu j I am actually curious if the system can sustain the continuous beating of retarded ignition. I heard it would fry the catalytic converter and so on...
My car has a different anti-lag system, called no-lift shifting (NLS). Basically, when you're at 100% throttle and the engine is revving high enough, you can change gears while holding the throttle pedal down and the ECM will rapidly blip the throttle to maintain engine and turbo speed, so that once you're in the next gear the turbo is already at max boost, thus there is no lag.
When I was able to ride and had carbureted motorcycles, we would shut off the ignition, wack the the throttle, and then flip the ignition back on again. This while rolling 30-40 mph in town. When the ignition is turned back on, all the unburned fuel that was hangin out in the exhaust goes boom! rather loudly. The noise on this video brought back memories.
M was for people with bucket loads of money. N is for enthusiasts. Hyundai has come up with a wholesome package. My Diesel Hyundai had Variable Geometry Turbo and that was the early stages of Anti Lag turbo system. ThanQ for explaining it so well.
I am so glad I found your channel. You have such a gift for explaining topics in way I (non-engineer) can actually understand. Keep up the great videos mate. Greetings from South Africa.
ALS was also in DSMLink-equipped 2nd generation Diamond Star Motors vehicles. Turbo spooling at launch for larger turbos was the purpose. Quite bangy and smoky fun.
I am just so thrilled every time I see you post a video. Thank you for always having such great content, and being enthusiastic about the affordable cars marketed towards enthusiasts.
This is just downright cool. Props to Hyundai for that. I would be curious about the cooling system within the turbo in regards to how/if it controls the heat from burning exhaust gases with the antilag. I can see potential longevity issues with turbo cooling. Awesome nonetheless.
The community following this channel is pretty awesome. There have been some really good and interesting comments, some hilarious comments and very few (possibly no?) mean/negative comments here!
I have a N. What a bad ass car. I wish u spoke on how an E-Diff works too. It pulls out it corners not like an AWD but not like any FWD I’ve driven before. It’s very neutral.. just hooks up and goes
They test in the default mode the car starts with, which is normal mode. They're not even allowed use ECO mode to boost the fuel economy scores because it's not the default on startup.
I wish my GTI sounded as good ast the N30 does. Once Hyundai brings the N version of the Elantra over I will be contemplating a change in car. It's exciting to see the competition getting better.
Great video Jason! Your videos are inspiring and allows me the opportunity to research the content and actually learn more about how vehicles work. Thank you.
It happens mainly in N-mode because by default N-mode is all setting put in Performance/Race. But if you push the checkered flag button twice, you go into custom mode where you can set things up as you wish. For example, I have mine (the i30N Performance, not the Veloster, as I'm from Europe) set to Custom with the dampers on soft for normal roads, rather than stiff for track. as it would be in N mode, engine in Sport+ as in N mode (there is Normal, Sport, Sport+), LSD in Sport, TC in Normal, etc. So if you get this and use Custom mode with it, and have it set up to use Engine in Sport+, while it does sound nicer and actually give you anti-lag (sweet :D) you don't want to use it everyday going to get groceries if you want your car to last for some time, plus you won't be that douche that annoys everyone in the neighborhood. You can put the Engine in Sport and have a bit of the sound (it's a bit less than in Sport+ but it still pops and bangs) and actually retain a bit of the turbo's life/durability. Also it's a good idea to leave the car on and idling to cool it's oil since it passes through the turbo to cool it, especially after riding it hard for some time and especially if you use N or Custom with Engine turned up. Safe driving everyone!
James Upton I mean if you think about it the turbo is already spoiled so it provides low end torque and you don’t have to step too hard on the gas pedal. Which Is my theory but I’d love to get more insight into this regardless
Just a guess, but I'd say it wastes more fuel to keep it spooled than it saves afterwards. Besides, when you need anti-lag you're probably flooring it anyways. And don't really care too much about fuel consumption when you're in N mode :)
I just had a split pipe off the back off the Turbo in my RB engined Nissan. No turbulence on the turbine side dragging down the turbo rpm so no need to respool every shift. This seems pretty cool but much more complex.
This sounds really cool and is a good solution. I am worried about longevity of the parts. All that heat and pressure going through the manifold and valve. If I bought this car I would be legitimately worried about those parts wearing down and breaking quickly. Obviously after the warranty. What is your experience with Hyundai's part longevity? Is this system nothing to worry about or would I start have problems at long milage?
You don’t have to use it, there are other modes if you’re worried about longevity. But engineers think about these things when they design it, and 100k is a long warranty.
How does Hyundai address the heat generated by the constant spooling of the turbo? Inject more fuel? Any special engine cooling features? Thanks Jason for your excellent work !
What a great video and Hyundai N performance!!! But, Veloster N cars are now stuck in Ulsan plant. I'm waiting for it since June 23th. There is something problem with mass-production quality.
*edited for fairness* I'll be honest, once the warranty runs out on these you could be forgiven for expecting a fair number of shocked and upset second hand buyers complaining of "premature" turbo failure. Anti-Lag systems do have a negative effect on the lifespan of turbo chargers, even if you have high quality components. If someone were to drive one of these for 150,000 miles in N mode, you might expect to get through two turbos or even three within warranty period, but that is an extreme example that makes a lot of assumptions. As EE pointed out below, based on such a short video it would be unfair to say that this is a certainty, and it may well be that they've engineered out a majority of the issues and smoothed out the shockwaves... Time will tell, and I really hope it's a positive result! If anti-lag systems can be engineered to not stress componentry unreasonably we could all have them in the future! Personally I wouldn't buy any car with an anti-lag system present because of my fears of turbo failure, until the brave masses have "tested" it for us ten years down the line.
Phil Atkins it may happen, but I don’t think it’s ever safe to make assumptions about a design that engineers spent years on, after a 5 minute video haha.
I agree All that popping in the exhaust system is causing shock waves. Pounding the turbo impeller not to mention the CAT is probably getting worked too.
Id say your right back in the early 2000's, but turbo tech has come a long way. Its not hard to make a turbo last 200k in a performance car with an anti-lag system, its just expensive and heavy. Automakers dont like expensive and race teams dont like heavy, so its not seen too much. Honestly though, retarded timing is probably the gentlest form of ALS on components. The air/fuel injection systems are the ones that eat turbos in less than 4 races these days.
For everyone worried about longevity, doesn't Hyundai have a really long 10 year 100000 mile warranty. Your going to be sick of driving that same car by then.
Because I had outgrown it, and it was costing to repair/upkeep a lot more than what it was worth. My next car will be either a M135i or a 300c srt core 8 : )
As you mentioned it near the end, how do they get passed emissions, CAFE, etc. Is it just that 'N' mode is not tested? If so, why don't more manufacturers introduce real differences between their driving modes?
I drive a 2008 Hyundai accent manual and I gotta say it's a much better all around car than all the other cars I've had, including dodge charger. This thing just doesn't break and I'm being rough with it all the time.
That's awesome. I'm curious about if others do similar things. You can hear the crackles while lift throttle on many VAG cars. Both NA and Turbo engines. I'm looking for how those exhaust crackles from.
It's interesting that they are not including this in their marketing campaigns. I'm also curious to see how this system would affect the durability of components like the turbo and catalytic converter. I would assume they took the warranty period into consideration while designing the ALS.
And this with a 5year warranty period? Cool! Lucky part, when the exhaust side of a turbo fails without killing the compressor, there's not that much to be afraid of.
The only downside, my guess, is that the after-burn in the manifold will tend to have a long-term damaging effect on the turbo impeller and the downstream emissions cat. But, it's only momentary that anti-lag programming takes place in a given mode, so depending on driving conditions, it could be very brief.
1 easy way ti know if it has anti lag. watch the boost gauge and see if it still have boost after you let go of throttle. if it doesn't have boost gauge use a OBDII scanner
I agree this is pretty cool for Hyundai, als, pops and crackles, badass. My n/a pos grand am pops and crackles quite a lot when warmed up, any explanation on that??
My Tucson has a good amount of lag from the initial dump of the throttle. It could be the dual clutch transmission though. But once it gets past that, it takes off!
pretty sure most of your viewers are too young to remember the rally days in the 90's when mitsubishi had that system in the EVO III ... it was nicknamed the bang bang system. it was great for keeping the turbos spooled but it did so much damage to the car that EVO 4's got rid of it. this system was used extensively in WRC... i wonder how reliable it will be in a production car here in the states since we drive WAAAAAY more than other countries.
How does the cat hold up though, that hot air/fuel/oil mixture won't be easy... Do you know from which year they enabled it? I think the cat is the first thing that will start to give up
How did you like the Nurburgring?! I would've understeered into the wall in the first turn, but it looks like a blast. And I should've kept my Integra. I had one just like yours. What'd you end up doing with it?
That is correct. More fuel is used, plus the conditions are not optimal so it's probably burning less cleanly (worse emissions). Then there's the domino effect - anti-lag puts too much heat into the catalytic converter so they probably have to run rich A/F ratio afterwards to cool it down - even more fuel and emissions. It's hard to find something that is both fun and efficient/clean. Almost everything that you do to improve performance of an ICE engine tends to have negative side effects, be it fuel economy, pollution and/or durability. Then again, it's good that we have engines that can run in multiple different modes, so we can choose between economy or max performance. I don't really expect many people to redline it in N mode when getting groceries :)
I understand this as an off-time ignition besides the normal combustion, being that the case isn't that causing damage to the moving parts involved in the combustion?? like valves and springs?? There is a reason for the valve to create a seal when the process of combustion is at any of the 4 times. Please correct me if i'm wrong.
nice vid! I have been watching your video since 2012 asked lots of questing about my TTRS !! (I have changed my channel my old channel was tptuble) good to see Korean car explained!!
Thanks for watching everyone and hope you’re having a great day! For anyone interested here’s my full review of the car: th-cam.com/video/6BVEhLBj7MQ/w-d-xo.html
Engineering Explained can you do a video on whether or not fuel is sent into the cylinder while coasting in gear, off the throttle. And if so, how much fuel? I can’t find a clear, decisive answer. Thanks!! Love the videos.
Engineering Explained
I made a HHO discovery a couple of days ago. It has a much more efficient use of electricity. Saving fuel for all whom want to try it.
The parts needed are two HHO cells wet or dry. Tubing, robust electrical connections, extra car battery is optional, flash arrestor, bubbler
If you want to do a video on it? Then let me know, as I live near Preston.
Very very cool(dont know your name) What track was the test drive at? Great job and anyone Shopping for new car or going to school,Most definitely needs to subscribe.Fantastic,,73s
Thank you so much for this amazing video been waiting for it
As you say at the end, cool that they have done it in a production car with a warranty. Having been involved in rallying, antilag isn't a new concept, but a rally car isn't under a new car warranty and can have a new turbo fitted every event as required.
Cool tech for a road car and a brave move by Hyundai.
That is pretty awesome Hyundai is catering to car enthusiasts even at the potential longevity/reliability issues from the antilag.
ChrisFix Hi Chris nice to see you here! :)
What additional stress is this on the engine? Pistons, pins, rods, bearings?
Will Whiteside I wouldn't say too much wear on the internal of the engine since it's designed for combustion on the downstroke of the piston, but for sure your stressing the exhaust and turbo because a bit of the combustion is happening outside the cylinders.
Will Whiteside basically just a more violent way to keep the turbo spoiled while off throttle, so the wear will be turbo, and probably the cat, not so much the engine its self.
Brock Duffy good thinking here from everybody. I'd like to add that when you let off the gas exhaust normally turns extremely lean. That's actually harder on a catalytic converter rather than easier. I think that this, if not to extreme could actually protect the catalytic converter from these lean times.
I agree it pushes the turbo more, but hey, when you ask for that mode to be on you don't want the turbo spooled down. 👍
Keeping the turbo spooled AND cool noises? Sign me up!
alex zoidberg True, but remember they have a really long warranty... so they got to make it last for a while.
This antilag system sounds a lot less aggressive than others, I'm sure the engineers took extra wear into account. Doesn't quite sound like gunfire like aftermarket setups do
Fernde09 this also has to do this it being a production vehicle and having to pass epa regulations. Most vehicles that have an anti lag system installed are most likely decatted with maybe a secondary cat based on emissions in their area.
alex zoidberg engineers had surely been concerned with the material selection for manifold, turbine housing and wheel, and the degrees after TDC are not the same as what heavy motorsport applications use to...so I'll be fine with this 😉
T Wellbrook and so retarded ignition timing that will be impossibile to even think to perform an emission test, without any doubt!
I put my auto in N mode but it kind of just stands still
Scott Brownlie sadly that took me a second.
Scott Brownlie shoulda bought a manual! ;)
nice one
The paddles on my 3.0R-B Liberty do me well enough :-)
Check the VTEC solenoid.
Liked for the exhaust animation in the thumbnail and the bang bang noises straight away in the video. Very informative as usual.
He knows what it takes to get them likes.
Marketed as sound enhancer to become legal in numerous countries (only know about Australia as I live here) where antilag is an instant defect notice
I was wondering if it was legal here lol
It's easy to turn off - but a manufacturer can't really use that trick.
TrumpCat ECUs like the Link G4+ usually have a toggle feature for it, it’s illegal not because of its mechanics but rather (in Australia being in its current nanny state) seen as a public nuisance and hoon-encouraging
I don't recall seeing anti-lag mentioned in vicroads rules or vics epa laws. As long as it's under 90bd (lol) and uses the stock ecu and map and has a cat it should be legal.
Avrilcadabra A guy I know who had an antilag system (with a Link ecu) fitted professionally on his 03 STi had his car marked a as ‘vehicle of interest’ by WA police and ended up up parting his whole car out because he would get pulled over everytime they saw him on the road.
Somehow since i've become a car guy, hyundai has gone from the laughingstock of the automotive world to being a respected brand. What a time to be alive.
Ciprian Dinu I feel like ever since the Genesis coupe they've been picking up their slack, they've definitely become a better company and right now I see that making better and better cars. Hopefully they can keep this up.
It helps that US makers are focusing on trucks and SUVs for the fatass market.
I was in China around New year 2012 when I first saw the Hyundai i40, which I think looks stunning. I remember thinking "wait, what? Since when did Hyundai hire an exterior designer?".
Respected? No
okleydokley sorru but i drive a truck and im not fat
I just test drove the Veloster N..It's freaking INSANE! I'm buying one asap!
Stevie Time What dealer let you drive one? Never seen one outside a showroom at a dealer.
Hyundai doing big things!
No, just copying what other manufacturers have been doing for years.
Paul Taylor alot of manufacturers copy wtf you on about?
Spitfire, thought it was pretty clear. They just copied what other manufacturers have been doing for years. My 1988 Renault Alpine GTA V6 Turbo had antilag between shifts. The Merc A45 has had it since 2012. And so on...... Nothing new.
Sloonz, So your Chevy has a V6 Turbo with Anti-lag ?, unlikely story.............
+Paul Taylor
By your definition Europeans are always copying the US since most inventions come from the US
I am so glad you explained this Jason! A lot of people upload crap to TH-cam with misleading titles and descriptions regarding to supposed anti lag sounds from cars which turns out it is usually just some pops from the exaust. Besides, I consider this as a big and necessary step forward in road performance cars, no manufacturer did this before, although it has been used in rally cars since the late 80s... Many people out there saying turbo lag is nice... I can tell none of them have ever felt the difference between antilag activated and deactivated. Jesus Christ... GrA Evo's and Imprezas run damn fast with that thing!!! And they sound wonderful!
Wow! Great information!! No one here in Korea ever brought this up even at Namyang Proving Ground when I was invited to experience the pre production sample back in May. Now I see why this thing always felt like fully spooled up!!
Yeah, doesn’t sound like they’re actively marketing it; they only said that it has the feature when I asked Biermann.
With all that extra money put into it, you'd think it'd be worth mentioning.
sonydominates Especially true for the mfrs like Hyundai. Maybe this would be too technical for general public.
Junsik Min they are not mentioning the anti lag system, because in some contries the ALS can be seen as bad for emissions.
Manu j I am actually curious if the system can sustain the continuous beating of retarded ignition. I heard it would fry the catalytic converter and so on...
My car has a different anti-lag system, called no-lift shifting (NLS). Basically, when you're at 100% throttle and the engine is revving high enough, you can change gears while holding the throttle pedal down and the ECM will rapidly blip the throttle to maintain engine and turbo speed, so that once you're in the next gear the turbo is already at max boost, thus there is no lag.
I'm getting my i30N in a month. I can now talk to people about the turbo in N mode and almost sound like I know something about cars! Thanks.
When I was able to ride and had carbureted motorcycles, we would shut off the ignition, wack the the throttle, and then flip the ignition back on again. This while rolling 30-40 mph in town. When the ignition is turned back on, all the unburned fuel that was hangin out in the exhaust goes boom! rather loudly. The noise on this video brought back memories.
M was for people with bucket loads of money. N is for enthusiasts. Hyundai has come up with a wholesome package. My Diesel Hyundai had Variable Geometry Turbo and that was the early stages of Anti Lag turbo system. ThanQ for explaining it so well.
Basically they watched engineering explained And that’s how they figured out anti-lag
Royalty check coming to engineering explained! Now he can buy more markers.
I am so glad I found your channel. You have such a gift for explaining topics in way I (non-engineer) can actually understand. Keep up the great videos mate. Greetings from South Africa.
The ALS on my N works VERY WELL, holds boost really well through shifts and it PULLS!
I officially love my Veloster N even more now...
Well it's like they've always said. If you want a production hot hatch with anti-lag you buy a Hyundai.
Hyundai going full on driver's car is something we need more of in the industry. Some established marques could really take lessons from them
ALS was also in DSMLink-equipped 2nd generation Diamond Star Motors vehicles. Turbo spooling at launch for larger turbos was the purpose. Quite bangy and smoky fun.
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I am just so thrilled every time I see you post a video. Thank you for always having such great content, and being enthusiastic about the affordable cars marketed towards enthusiasts.
Man that’s great. Kinda feeling of race cars with enhanced technology. Your videos are very informative. Cheers
Thanks!
This is just downright cool. Props to Hyundai for that. I would be curious about the cooling system within the turbo in regards to how/if it controls the heat from burning exhaust gases with the antilag. I can see potential longevity issues with turbo cooling. Awesome nonetheless.
Cobalt SS had this back in 08. "No Lift Shift".
Full throttle, clutch and shift. Let's off a real quick pop or two.
Makes a noticeable difference.
The community following this channel is pretty awesome. There have been some really good and interesting comments, some hilarious comments and very few (possibly no?) mean/negative comments here!
Hyundai is on a roll. Awesome stuff.
I have a N.
What a bad ass car.
I wish u spoke on how an E-Diff works too. It pulls out it corners not like an AWD but not like any FWD I’ve driven before. It’s very neutral.. just hooks up and goes
I think the most amazing thing is the somewhat reliableness they achieved
I’m really impressed with your driving at the Nurburgring. I’m more impressed they can pass an emissions test with this. Great day for car lovers.
They test in the default mode the car starts with, which is normal mode. They're not even allowed use ECO mode to boost the fuel economy scores because it's not the default on startup.
Very informative video, as always! This ALS seems like a pretty neat feature in the new Veloster N! I can't wait to get my hands on one to review!
why am i so amused and satisfied with this
Nice looking car, and not just for a Hyundai, just a nice looking car.
So my i30N has the anti-lag feature too, nice!
Great car I have the same in red too ;)
I have one in white... I love it
How do you know?
I'm going to be so tempted to get the Veloster N once I'm done paying off my s2k.
The engine sounds really good, outside of the "missing/popping" exhaust sound which is apparently normal.
Pops and crackles brings a smile to my face
I wish my GTI sounded as good ast the N30 does. Once Hyundai brings the N version of the Elantra over I will be contemplating a change in car. It's exciting to see the competition getting better.
You have a talent To explain men
Thanks!
Great video Jason! Your videos are inspiring and allows me the opportunity to research the content and actually learn more about how vehicles work. Thank you.
It happens mainly in N-mode because by default N-mode is all setting put in Performance/Race. But if you push the checkered flag button twice, you go into custom mode where you can set things up as you wish. For example, I have mine (the i30N Performance, not the Veloster, as I'm from Europe) set to Custom with the dampers on soft for normal roads, rather than stiff for track. as it would be in N mode, engine in Sport+ as in N mode (there is Normal, Sport, Sport+), LSD in Sport, TC in Normal, etc. So if you get this and use Custom mode with it, and have it set up to use Engine in Sport+, while it does sound nicer and actually give you anti-lag (sweet :D) you don't want to use it everyday going to get groceries if you want your car to last for some time, plus you won't be that douche that annoys everyone in the neighborhood. You can put the Engine in Sport and have a bit of the sound (it's a bit less than in Sport+ but it still pops and bangs) and actually retain a bit of the turbo's life/durability. Also it's a good idea to leave the car on and idling to cool it's oil since it passes through the turbo to cool it, especially after riding it hard for some time and especially if you use N or Custom with Engine turned up. Safe driving everyone!
Honestly I like where Hyundai is going! It’s great simple innovations that benefit everybody.
Short question does anti lag save fuel?
I don't know the technical expansion but I know it doesn't save fuel
James Upton I mean if you think about it the turbo is already spoiled so it provides low end torque and you don’t have to step too hard on the gas pedal. Which Is my theory
but I’d love to get more insight into this regardless
@@AnthonyBoettcher24 If you read through the comments I think he answered it
Just a guess, but I'd say it wastes more fuel to keep it spooled than it saves afterwards.
Besides, when you need anti-lag you're probably flooring it anyways. And don't really care too much about fuel consumption when you're in N mode :)
True! Thanks a lot for elaborating. Makes sense to me :)
The new valoster is going to sound insane cattless
What about the performance blow off valves? Do they help to keep turbo pressure as well or just for noise? Thanks for the video!
Thanks once again, for a simple explanation. Made it clear. 👍😎
It's cool to see the different ways automakers are innovating these days.
I just had a split pipe off the back off the Turbo in my RB engined Nissan. No turbulence on the turbine side dragging down the turbo rpm so no need to respool every shift. This seems pretty cool but much more complex.
Youw went to Nurburgring?! AWESOME
It was such a cool experience! More footage on my review of the Veloster N, and I posted a full lap on my secondary channel. :)
Yeah, nordschleife... Nice video.. What's the second channel?
Engineering Explained such a humble guy, goes to the green hell and don't even mention it on the video.
And the man was in Frankfurt! Say hello next time! ;-)
...............Misufayaringu shisutemu
Muzaki Nice try but Koreans don't pronounce like that.😁
Junsik Min replace Mida the gu and mu.
This isn't to make fun of anyone, it's just a parody of Initial D.
This was a parody from Initial D anime, and its not Korean. Its Japanese
I was Joking, and not making fun of anyone. what I say is a parody from Initial D anime when a car shot a Missfiring or Antilag
This sounds really cool and is a good solution. I am worried about longevity of the parts. All that heat and pressure going through the manifold and valve. If I bought this car I would be legitimately worried about those parts wearing down and breaking quickly. Obviously after the warranty.
What is your experience with Hyundai's part longevity? Is this system nothing to worry about or would I start have problems at long milage?
You don’t have to use it, there are other modes if you’re worried about longevity. But engineers think about these things when they design it, and 100k is a long warranty.
Shot on 'the Ring' ... well done.
How does Hyundai address the heat generated by the constant spooling of the turbo? Inject more fuel? Any special engine cooling features?
Thanks Jason for your excellent work !
Anti lag system! That's an really awesome idea
What a great video and Hyundai N performance!!! But, Veloster N cars are now stuck in Ulsan plant. I'm waiting for it since June 23th. There is something problem with mass-production quality.
*edited for fairness*
I'll be honest, once the warranty runs out on these you could be forgiven for expecting a fair number of shocked and upset second hand buyers complaining of "premature" turbo failure.
Anti-Lag systems do have a negative effect on the lifespan of turbo chargers, even if you have high quality components.
If someone were to drive one of these for 150,000 miles in N mode, you might expect to get through two turbos or even three within warranty period, but that is an extreme example that makes a lot of assumptions.
As EE pointed out below, based on such a short video it would be unfair to say that this is a certainty, and it may well be that they've engineered out a majority of the issues and smoothed out the shockwaves...
Time will tell, and I really hope it's a positive result! If anti-lag systems can be engineered to not stress componentry unreasonably we could all have them in the future!
Personally I wouldn't buy any car with an anti-lag system present because of my fears of turbo failure, until the brave masses have "tested" it for us ten years down the line.
Phil Atkins it may happen, but I don’t think it’s ever safe to make assumptions about a design that engineers spent years on, after a 5 minute video haha.
I agree
All that popping in the exhaust system is causing shock waves. Pounding the turbo impeller not to mention the CAT is probably getting worked too.
Id say your right back in the early 2000's, but turbo tech has come a long way. Its not hard to make a turbo last 200k in a performance car with an anti-lag system, its just expensive and heavy. Automakers dont like expensive and race teams dont like heavy, so its not seen too much. Honestly though, retarded timing is probably the gentlest form of ALS on components. The air/fuel injection systems are the ones that eat turbos in less than 4 races these days.
This anti-lag system is not as damaging as the wrc afterburners you’re thinking of
This seems to be less damaging than a straight bypass. But an antilag can really heats up a turbo, so who knows what will happen?
Very nice explanation & very useful tech!
Great breakdown as always Jason!
You were on the Nordschleife! Awesome!
Great job Jason I really like you channel!
Been waiting for Hyundai to come out with something like this. Now bring that rally version over here to compete with the STI
For everyone worried about longevity, doesn't Hyundai have a really long 10 year 100000 mile warranty. Your going to be sick of driving that same car by then.
Yeah, Hyundai has crazy long warranties.
I drove my 300hp Silvia for about 17 years, when you have a powerful car you never get sick of it lol
Then why’d you sell it
Because I had outgrown it, and it was costing to repair/upkeep a lot more than what it was worth. My next car will be either a M135i or a 300c srt core 8 : )
5yr 100k km here in Canada :(
As you mentioned it near the end, how do they get passed emissions, CAFE, etc. Is it just that 'N' mode is not tested? If so, why don't more manufacturers introduce real differences between their driving modes?
was looking a no turbo lag video and a find it :)
Almost 2million!😀
Rahul Sadanandan Face reveal at 2 mil!
... wait wrong channel. ;)
I drive a 2008 Hyundai accent manual and I gotta say it's a much better all around car than all the other cars I've had, including dodge charger. This thing just doesn't break and I'm being rough with it all the time.
Another great explanation video Jason.
Thanks!
That's awesome. I'm curious about if others do similar things. You can hear the crackles while lift throttle on many VAG cars. Both NA and Turbo engines. I'm looking for how those exhaust crackles from.
more often I understand your videos now.
It's interesting that they are not including this in their marketing campaigns. I'm also curious to see how this system would affect the durability of components like the turbo and catalytic converter. I would assume they took the warranty period into consideration while designing the ALS.
Great video very informative. What are the disadvantages of this anti-lag system?
And this with a 5year warranty period? Cool! Lucky part, when the exhaust side of a turbo fails without killing the compressor, there's not that much to be afraid of.
Hyundai couldn’t have you talking about Honda’s. You should do a video on the fords eco boost 4 cylinder why it’s having so many head gasket problems
I believe all that information has come out. They were using the wrong head gaskets on the RS (from the Mustang) according to a Road & Track article.
Great video and i hope you enjoyed germany, especialy the Nürbungring.
I would be curious to see how they avoid or have to deal with burned valves.
The only downside, my guess, is that the after-burn in the manifold will tend to have a long-term damaging effect on the turbo impeller and the downstream emissions cat. But, it's only momentary that anti-lag programming takes place in a given mode, so depending on driving conditions, it could be very brief.
dam that genisis looked badass
Is this also true for i30 n? Nice video.
Awesome explanation!!! THANK YOU!!!
what was it like driving on the nordschleife nurburgring? Good to see you have good enough car control not to wreck..
1 easy way ti know if it has anti lag. watch the boost gauge and see if it still have boost after you let go of throttle. if it doesn't have boost gauge use a OBDII scanner
I agree this is pretty cool for Hyundai, als, pops and crackles, badass. My n/a pos grand am pops and crackles quite a lot when warmed up, any explanation on that??
Good technique to spool up turbo in gasoline engine. Any such technology possible in Diesel as there is no spark plug in it.?
Great video. Would you be concerned with the exhaust valve getting burnt with continued use of n mode?
No more so then any other turbo engine really, since it’s always exposed to combustion.
Look, finally a Veloster with some power.
My Tucson has a good amount of lag from the initial dump of the throttle. It could be the dual clutch transmission though. But once it gets past that, it takes off!
pretty sure most of your viewers are too young to remember the rally days in the 90's when mitsubishi had that system in the EVO III ... it was nicknamed the bang bang system. it was great for keeping the turbos spooled but it did so much damage to the car that EVO 4's got rid of it.
this system was used extensively in WRC... i wonder how reliable it will be in a production car here in the states since we drive WAAAAAY more than other countries.
I looked on some website, it says that turbo can activates is as low as 1500rpm. Pretty nice Turbo tech.
Please do a video on the 2019 Sonata Limited 2.0T. There is not one video on youtube highlighting the driving and turbo. Thanks in advance.
I have the 2016 r spec im planning on trying to trade up soon.... sweet car i love mine
How does the cat hold up though, that hot air/fuel/oil mixture won't be easy...
Do you know from which year they enabled it?
I think the cat is the first thing that will start to give up
How did you like the Nurburgring?! I would've understeered into the wall in the first turn, but it looks like a blast. And I should've kept my Integra. I had one just like yours. What'd you end up doing with it?
high pressure for the turbine from normal pressure or even very low pressure on the Inlet ? gooooooooooooood
It would be nice if the new NSX has this feature instead of the electric motors...It sounds cool too.
Looks like a FUN course. Where were you driving?
Track driving was on the Nurburgring!
good video as always.. sounds interesting indeed.. what about fuel economy and pollution?
You probably don't want to know about either of those in N mode :) Safe to say, both are much worse than in "normal" mode.
propbably not.. if I understand the system it is in effect keeping the fan spinning by burning ekstra fuel (ie more ignitions)
That is correct. More fuel is used, plus the conditions are not optimal so it's probably burning less cleanly (worse emissions).
Then there's the domino effect - anti-lag puts too much heat into the catalytic converter so they probably have to run rich A/F ratio afterwards to cool it down - even more fuel and emissions.
It's hard to find something that is both fun and efficient/clean. Almost everything that you do to improve performance of an ICE engine tends to have negative side effects, be it fuel economy, pollution and/or durability.
Then again, it's good that we have engines that can run in multiple different modes, so we can choose between economy or max performance. I don't really expect many people to redline it in N mode when getting groceries :)
sounds right.. I would personally be worried about the complexity (ie probability of expensive repairs )...
Curious to see if you installed boost gauge and see if the turbo is actually keeping the boost. Or do data log
I understand this as an off-time ignition besides the normal combustion, being that the case isn't that causing damage to the moving parts involved in the combustion?? like valves and springs?? There is a reason for the valve to create a seal when the process of combustion is at any of the 4 times. Please correct me if i'm wrong.
nice vid! I have been watching your video since 2012 asked lots of questing about my TTRS !! (I have changed my channel my old channel was tptuble) good to see Korean car explained!!