It's crazy to see just how much energy a single kg of hydrogen can deliver... you'd have to burn several liters of petrol or diesel to get the equivalent amount of range
@@scottkolaya2110 “For example, contrary to common thinking, the cost of platinum makes up less than 1% of cost of the fuel stack system. This is compared to battery vehicles, in which commodity-type raw materials, such as lithium and cobalt, makes up a significant portion of total costs.” (Deloitte, 2020) - Deloitte. (2020) Powering the Future of Mobility. 1, 1-2, www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/cn/Documents/finance/deloitte-cn-fueling-the-future-of-mobility-en-200101.pdf
@@criancrna1487 You still needs batteries in hydrogen EV, just way less. Also currently a good portion of hydrogen came from breaking down certain parts of oil. And hydrogen cells usually requires catalyst. So while it helps, it still won't outright remove the problem. It looks like a good start tho.
until some innovator like elon musk, or elon himself gets into hydrogen cars and develops a system like tesla did. The future will be EV and Hydrogen, our electricity storing capabilities and methods will change over time. We will run out of fossil fuels, or it will eventually become extremely, extremely expensive
@@thelogicalkrampus462 the future of ev seems pretty dim, especially knowing how we're having difficulties with our power grid while bringing power to the charging stations. i wish hydrogen cars caught on better than ev because it's simply better for the environment.
i own one of the older models. i love it, in the 4 years ive used it for commute and small travel its never broken down on me, and since i bought it as an american (now canadian), im still reaping the rewards of toyotas $15,000 fuel rebate. i havent paid for a full tank ever since i bought it. the amount of money it has saved me is incredible, and i dont have to spend half my life at a charging station. i still own a gas car, but use it only for weekend fun
The actual refuelling process look a lot safer than the current one for petrol (where you can literally squirt fuel anywhere you want). And incidents at petrol stations aren't that common.
1:15 interesting the DO NOT REFUEL AFTER 2036 11 on the fuel door. It's the car's throw away date. Honestly it's when the hydrogen tanks expire and need to be replaced. Hopefully they come down in price since all 3 tanks currently go for $25,000 USD to replace them (not counting labor) and they are custom built for the Mirai. We'll see in 14 years. I'm sure you won't own it by then anyway.
Wow that is the first time I notice that text, and I made the edit. 😂 Congrats on the eagle eye vision and the insight, really interesting. Time will tell!
@@emekyilmaz7396 It is amazing how battery technology is changing. Even with the 500,000 mile warranties in other countries, they will last much longer than any FCEV at this point. I agree, the battery costs have changed a lot.
@@scottkolaya2110 The "do not refuel after" date doesn't mean the tanks are unusable. It's just a disclaimer since no one has seen what kind of wear and tear these tanks go through after 14 years. Also for comparison, I have not heard of a single FCEV owner having to get their tanks replaced, but I have heard many people needing battery replacements in their BEVs.
@@k1fizz On the other hand, carbon fiber tanks have been out for not only more than 14 years, but many decades. The industry has long since seen the effects of deterioration of high pressure composite tanks. It's not like Toyota somehow came out in 2016 with some unproven technology and just threw it on the streets and let the public test it out for them. The US DOT and many other countries standard is 15 years. We'll see what happens when the first Mirai hits 15 years (the oldest one is only half that) but people have been replacing tanks in their CNG vehicles for a long time now because they can't re-register or insure them after the expiration date. Maybe someone will come up with a way to reliably re-certify composite tanks by then without damaging them further. It's certainly possible. And for comparison, of course you haven't heard of an owner replacing a FCEV tank because 100% of them are still under warranty. People tend to not complain when the company takes care of it. You certainly hear about every battery replacement that's out of warranty because people complain, rightly so, loudly. A few Mirais, Nexos, and Claritys have failed routine leak tests and were fixed under warranty. I'm not sure the tanks were the cause all the time, probably the myriad of pipes and connections. I hear about that all the time from owners. Many have had failed fuel cells replaced under warranty. Also for comparison, EVs outsell FCEVs by 500:1 worldwide. So proportionally, you'd need 500 battery replacements to equal 1 tank or fuel cell replacement. And the fact that there certainly have been some out of warranty battery replacements or refusals to replace them by burning them on a lake and other various stunts, is hard to compare against zero FCEVs even eligible for out of warranty repairs.
As someone who has been deepdiving the past month in Toyota Production Systems and the history of toyota. This gets me excited knowing how toyota as a business functions. I wanna see this go further
It's fascinating for sure! I've got a Model 3 arriving in a few weeks and it's my prefered method of transportation...but this is super cool too! 👍👍 Definitely going to do more research on this. Thanks for the POV video.
In Melbourne, Toyota is offering free refuelling to Mirai drivers at its Centre of Excellence in Melbourne’s southwest, with all the hydrogen used produced and stored in-house.
I don't understand the HATE for hydrogen! Its an electric car but instead of using lithium batteries to store energy it can be stored in a steel tank (or carbon fiber) with almost unlimited refill cycles. For Heavy Duty trucks, its awesome. Lithium battery cars are great for around town, but heavy hauling and long distanced hydrogen is the way to go. I also a believe in diversifying methods, there isn't a one size fits all approach.
How strong is the hydrogen tank in the Mirai? You need to shoot 2 .50 cal rifle rounds in the same exact spot, just to make a slight dent. When they tested the tank to the point of destruction, they’ve also destroyed the testing machine as well.
My Corolla Hybrid - full tank AU$50 (€33.72) for 950km in 1min (4.2L/100Km) Also make this spaceship sound quite loud it's cool , my model is ZR made in Japan also have all this whistles and bells
Exactly! It is ok to be ECO Friendly, but why we need to pay 12 euros per 100 Kms, as he stat in another video, that the car run 450 Kms with 1 full tank, which costs 56 euros!
Some of these chargers are already at gasoline prices and will only rise when more BEVs are sold. Then you have the issue of households that live in complexes with no charge point whatsoever. They’ll have to go to a commercial provider and pay through the nose and wait their turn at a BEV line. No my friend hydrogen fuel cells is the future
@@illuminaughty2929 EVs have already won. It's not economically viable to build out the Hydrogen infrastructure, for those people that can't charge at home. They will have to get the bus.
@@bltzcstrnx Have you seen how expensive EV charging is. Right up there with gasoline with less than 5% of total cars built are EVs. What can we expect the price to be when EVs make up 50% or more.... all waiting in line to charge up.
I own an 1966 Ford Mustang. It still has the original V-8 engine and gas tank. Do you think an BEV will ever be a classic since their battery life is relatively short and cost a fortune to replace.
I had a classic car that had been through 3 petrol engines in it's lifetime. Lack of maintenance from former owners plus just wear and tear. The fact it was on it's third engine didn't change the cars asthetic, availability or age - the things that make it 'desirable' and classic. The new engine I put in added nothing to (nor adversly affected) it's market value. Oh, it had also gad at least one fill up of fuel so the power source wasn't original either. Don't be scared of different fuel/eninges. Don't be scared of change. We will run out of oil one day - all those ICE cars won't become classics jusf because there is no fuel. We need change, we need cleaner air, we need to keep progressing or trying...
@@thebrowns5337 In Spain our scrapyards are filled with old cars with perfect working engines. ICE engines lasts forever if properly maintained, the car simply become just too old before the engine dies. Trucks however are all their life on the road and they run millions of kilometers.
Something you’ll only see in California :). This station opened that same day, I shot that video 4 months ago and every time I drive past no one is using it. Also because there’s hardly any hydrogen cars sold here.
What was the actual time it took you to finish fuelling? I get it with "it usually takes you X minutes", just as fuelling a gas tank takes you 5 minutes. That is almost not the case (80%+) Can you partially fill the tank?
own and drive an '15 auris hybrid. Toyota claimed consumption 3.8 l/100 km. Achieved consumption: 42.000 km @ 4.49 l/100 km across 3 years of ownership from which 16.000 km @ 3.66 l/100 km from which 3.000 km @ 3.35 l/100 km. why complicate yourself with a hydrogen hybrid vehicle (because it actually is a hybrid).
I love how everyone's getting scared about hydrogen being flammable yet nobody bats an eyelid about the millions of people who fill up petrol cars daily 😂
More like billions lol That's why the climate hoax agenda is working properly That's why the plandemic worked and people became programmed masked zombies Hope you are not one of them
Maybe it's because it is still a very recent technology, but it is very expensive for 500kms range. With my Corolla Hybrid I spend around 7.5€ per 100kms.
This could be the future, though hydrogen needs to be more consumer competitive to gasoline and diesel. An equivalent diesel car can do about 1000km easly with 80€
It is impossible for hydrogen to compete. Either you reformulate (I think that is the word) natural gas and have to pay the price of gas + the price of the energy used in the process + man hours to do so + energy to compress and liquify hydrogen + energy to transport it, which will obvious be much than what you pay for natural gas alone, or.... You will have to pay electricity to make the hydrolysis (a lot of electricity) + electricity to compress the hydrogen and liquify it + man hours to do it + energy to transport it which will always be much more than what you pay for electricity to directly charge you battery. So, unless the laws of physics are broken, hydrogen as a fuel for ordinary citizens won't be a thing, no matter what they tell you. It will work for very specific cases like the international trucking industry and that is it.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Unfortunally, it's something we will have to do, natural gas and oil is finite and can't be produced in all countries, electric vehicles have that big disadvantage of charging times and hard to fit big batteries for long travels, hydrogen it's practically unlimited and fixes the issue of time to refuel.
@@antcarhd1823 Charging time is decreasing massively, but people still lie about it. I heard someone say that the average EV takes hours to charge, when in reality it's 10 minutes on a supercharger
@@antcarhd1823 Charging time isn't a problem, people just don't think. "What if I am in a hurry in the morning?" Charge it at night... Anyways, the average EV today is actually better than the average ICE. Low charging prices (5$), More range (350-400 miles), more powerful, etc,
till this day i still consider hydrogen a better & superior option to electric in any way, 1 thing it lacks is the infrastructure, hydrogen needs more filling station
I calculated 0.174 USD per mile at the current rate in the video. My NA 2.4L l4 Honda gets 0.085 USD per mile. I get that this is new, but it would have to drop more than 50% in price before Hydrogen has meaningful cost benefits for the consumer - can the supply lines actually handle that big of a slice off their profits?
Hydrogen is fairly new tech, that's mostly been specialized and not in any consumer vehicles before now. Producing anything gets better and cheaper with time and with the economy of scale. I still maintain that rather than Hydrogen, a Chevy Volt system using diesel instead of gas would be the perfect car until we perfect solid state batteries enough to put them into cars. A small, 35 Mi range battery for day to day operation that you can plug in to charge overnight (and regenerative breaking), and a diesel generator to charge it while driving for longer trips. More efficient by far than a gas engine on both emissions and fuel milage. It's literally the system that Diesel-Electric trains use for freight all around the world. They're the most efficient style of engines we have available to us.
Fossil fuels won't keep low prices... the stuff costs billions in healthcare and we are running out of it. Less fuel means higher prices. If we run out of hydrogens main source we don't beed to worry aboutbtge fost of stuff ;)
Everyone is talking about EV/HY but no one talk about e85 which in europe is for less than 0.80 euro /L and a lot of cars are flex fuel and can run with it without getting more than 8L/100km, in europe Ford sells flexfuel cars, VW has done this to before and a lot of cars with some works can run with it too i will never understand why people will buy EV (not hydrogen ones) since every country seems to be coming to a shortage of electricity.. would you rather turn your heater on or recharge your car..
I am working in Japan and I want to get one Mirai, after I get my license. One new car is about 4-5 years of my income, so I plan to purchase a used one.
Shouldn't you leave your phone in the car while filling instead of walking around with it on the forecourt with highly flammable fuel around you? The static can cause explosions in petrol stations etc.
First, I think the car is beautiful, the rims are amazing, about the hydrogen stuff... 0.11€/Km... It's more expensive than a modern ICE at 6L/100Km at 1.40€/L gas price (last price I filled my car) ~0.08€/Km And way more expensive than chaging a BEV at home - under 1cent/Km with some contracts that have very low prices at night like mine when I charge my PHEV Unless H2 prices comes down a lot (which it has the potential to if production ramps up and technology improves) I see little future for this tech... And with most auto manufacturers lack of interest in H2, even toyota launching their first BEV soon, I think H2 will die out soon - maybe it will be kept for bus and truck usage
I think the Mirai owners will replace more 1.2 kWh batteries than a Kona's 64 kWh, because of degradation. I can swear that there is no thermal management for such a small battery that powers the car. And when that battery is down, you'll gonna get less and less out of your 5.6 kg H2 tank...
@@divinehatred6021 Wrong, they are the delayed past. BEVs are the present and going to just keep growing into the future. Sorry that is Harsh Reality regardless if you hate it.
So it's not as cheap as Prius in terms of (cost of the cars + cost of hydrogen refuel VS cost of gasoline). Currently it cost less than $50 to refuel my 2014 Prius and it has a range of 700 kilometers.
Many popular H2 stations are now around $20/kg, to that's $20/70miles or $0.29/mi BEV in CA is $0.25/kWh @4 mi/kWh or $0.06/ mile if you charge at home
Good video. Portuguese subtitles are completely messed up, though. They mention "shorts" (the piece of clothing) and "hypermarkets" instead of "hypermiling", alongside all sorts of awkward phrasing.
terrible experiences to add hydrogen, the hydrogen stations around me (usually 10 miles away) has been always down, one has been down for 4 months. The other I waited 30 min today without hydrogen or station error. The hydrogen price is twice or even triple the price of gas.
There is just 3 Three Stations on this Continent of Australia. NSW & VIC State goverments have announced a joint grant for 25 Stations with $10 million AUD, that only covers a proportion of the cost. Meanwhile Aus is also the home to Tritium DC Chargers, who probably produces hundreds a month.
so 55 for 430km/267 miles doesn't sound good. So in terms of efficacy its good but not very cost efficient for the car owner. 30ish for my volt gets me 480km/300miles.
hydrogen fuel process and the sound during which is scary. ev is the better of the two i think the one thing concerns me is, the batteries can get really hot, both while driving and charging
New invention no fuel station needed only cardridge storage stations will be the future of hidrogen 2022 NAMX Suv prototyp was released the cardridge system Toyota will research this system also lm the future
Just to fill up the tank hydro is a bit cheaper not much tho around 10-20€ but still diesel is around 20-30€ more but you get double or more the range so in the end its cheaper to run a diesel car but then again prob no taxes on the mirai 🤷♂️
For me, H2 is $18/kg that gets a Mirai 67 miles or $0.27/mi. Gasoline is $3.70/gal or roughly $0.12/mi. Electricity is $0.14/kWh that gets 4 miles, or $0.035/mile or 8 times less. I have solar, so charging doesn't cost anything.
everyones commenting how great this is, and dont get me wrong it seems cool as hell. but i also know my history and keep thinking, one rear end mishap and boom, hindenburg all over again.
Bruh that sound when you accelerated hard sounds like a sound clip I designed for " the sound of an electric car" for a contest. I never heard back from them and never even found out who won the contest. I feel so stupid for even sending anything to them. They clearly just used free workforce to make their electric car noises.
@@nihilisticsoup2919 when you need a new $70k battery will you still love it? My gas powered cars wouldn’t cost me that much to keep running for two lifetimes.
1kg of hydrogen = 9,99 €. 5,6 kg in the tank amount to 56,00 €. He does less then 500 km with that fuel. Literally my petrol car is less expansive then that.
I love how the comments are marvelling at the ~500 km range but given a ~500km ev I know the comments would be sounding off with “193839000 kM aT LeAaSt oR itS noT enoUGh FoR Me”
But you can refuel it in 3-5 mins... so noone cares about "just" 500km! But EVs have to stay for hours to achieve the range with a fully loaded battery
I'm curious, do you have enough Hydrogen fuel stations in your country?
I don't know
i just checked
in this month we should get it in italy
i actually didin't know i thought it was maybe in 2023
@@inigopatch420 I actually waited testing this car until we had some new hydrogen fuel stations installed...
We only have 1 in France
@@johnnypovdrives sick
It's crazy to see just how much energy a single kg of hydrogen can deliver... you'd have to burn several liters of petrol or diesel to get the equivalent amount of range
You’re missing the point.
Lithium and oil is finite.
Hydrogen is unlimited.
@CrianCRNA You miss his point lol
Hydrogen is far more efficient than petrol or diesel and no one talk about battery and oil here
@@criancrna1487 Platinum is also finite.
@@scottkolaya2110 “For example, contrary to common thinking, the cost of platinum makes up less than 1% of cost of the fuel stack system. This is compared
to battery vehicles, in which commodity-type raw materials, such as lithium and cobalt, makes up a significant portion of total costs.” (Deloitte, 2020)
- Deloitte. (2020) Powering the Future of Mobility. 1, 1-2, www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/cn/Documents/finance/deloitte-cn-fueling-the-future-of-mobility-en-200101.pdf
@@criancrna1487 You still needs batteries in hydrogen EV, just way less. Also currently a good portion of hydrogen came from breaking down certain parts of oil. And hydrogen cells usually requires catalyst. So while it helps, it still won't outright remove the problem. It looks like a good start tho.
I work at a occasion car sales company and we just bought the first hydrogen car, also a Toyota Mirai and man I just love the design of that car. 👌🏽
It really feels like a Lexus in there. With how long and heavy the car is+ the interior quality
bet lexus designed most of it then toyota did the engineering and slapped a badge on it
@@kareemalmond bro Toyota is Lexus Lexus is Toyota
@@kareemalmond really?
@@Legend-lc9bv not really, they have their separate R&D orgs
@@josipX They are the same. Toyota owns Lexus. A Lexus had a Toyota engine. Toyota stamped parts. A Lexus is just a Toyota with leather essentially.
I love the idea of hydogen power. But finding a fueling station and repairing these, sounds like a nightmare
until some innovator like elon musk, or elon himself gets into hydrogen cars and develops a system like tesla did. The future will be EV and Hydrogen, our electricity storing capabilities and methods will change over time. We will run out of fossil fuels, or it will eventually become extremely, extremely expensive
@@thelogicalkrampus462 the future of ev seems pretty dim, especially knowing how we're having difficulties with our power grid while bringing power to the charging stations. i wish hydrogen cars caught on better than ev because it's simply better for the environment.
California has no problem with this, they are everywhere here.
@@EagleWithAhGun Only texas is the one having issues with their power grid. lol
And also, 13 euros per 100 kms is a nightmare price!
i own one of the older models. i love it, in the 4 years ive used it for commute and small travel its never broken down on me, and since i bought it as an american (now canadian), im still reaping the rewards of toyotas $15,000 fuel rebate. i havent paid for a full tank ever since i bought it. the amount of money it has saved me is incredible, and i dont have to spend half my life at a charging station.
i still own a gas car, but use it only for weekend fun
The actual refuelling process look a lot safer than the current one for petrol (where you can literally squirt fuel anywhere you want). And incidents at petrol stations aren't that common.
But you could freeze to death touching that fuel nozzle :)
1:15 interesting the DO NOT REFUEL AFTER 2036 11 on the fuel door. It's the car's throw away date. Honestly it's when the hydrogen tanks expire and need to be replaced. Hopefully they come down in price since all 3 tanks currently go for $25,000 USD to replace them (not counting labor) and they are custom built for the Mirai. We'll see in 14 years. I'm sure you won't own it by then anyway.
Wow that is the first time I notice that text, and I made the edit. 😂 Congrats on the eagle eye vision and the insight, really interesting. Time will tell!
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@@emekyilmaz7396 It is amazing how battery technology is changing. Even with the 500,000 mile warranties in other countries, they will last much longer than any FCEV at this point. I agree, the battery costs have changed a lot.
@@scottkolaya2110 The "do not refuel after" date doesn't mean the tanks are unusable. It's just a disclaimer since no one has seen what kind of wear and tear these tanks go through after 14 years.
Also for comparison, I have not heard of a single FCEV owner having to get their tanks replaced, but I have heard many people needing battery replacements in their BEVs.
@@k1fizz On the other hand, carbon fiber tanks have been out for not only more than 14 years, but many decades. The industry has long since seen the effects of deterioration of high pressure composite tanks. It's not like Toyota somehow came out in 2016 with some unproven technology and just threw it on the streets and let the public test it out for them. The US DOT and many other countries standard is 15 years. We'll see what happens when the first Mirai hits 15 years (the oldest one is only half that) but people have been replacing tanks in their CNG vehicles for a long time now because they can't re-register or insure them after the expiration date. Maybe someone will come up with a way to reliably re-certify composite tanks by then without damaging them further. It's certainly possible.
And for comparison, of course you haven't heard of an owner replacing a FCEV tank because 100% of them are still under warranty. People tend to not complain when the company takes care of it. You certainly hear about every battery replacement that's out of warranty because people complain, rightly so, loudly. A few Mirais, Nexos, and Claritys have failed routine leak tests and were fixed under warranty. I'm not sure the tanks were the cause all the time, probably the myriad of pipes and connections. I hear about that all the time from owners. Many have had failed fuel cells replaced under warranty. Also for comparison, EVs outsell FCEVs by 500:1 worldwide. So proportionally, you'd need 500 battery replacements to equal 1 tank or fuel cell replacement. And the fact that there certainly have been some out of warranty battery replacements or refusals to replace them by burning them on a lake and other various stunts, is hard to compare against zero FCEVs even eligible for out of warranty repairs.
More enviromentally friendly than a Tesla and you can refuel it 100x as fast, god I hope these catch on.
...I see your extreme lack of reasearch, Electrolysis. Lotta energy to make hydrogen, energy today is mostly coal and oil...
Inefficient, only 20% of the hydrogen is used to power the car. The hydrogen will dissipate in 3 days, wether you use it or not
I don't think it's more eco friendly than a Tesla.
Hydrogen fuel take like 4x the energy to be made than just charging.
@@bermudacorp4234 nuclear
Me too. Most of America's stations are in California.
As someone who has been deepdiving the past month in Toyota Production Systems and the history of toyota.
This gets me excited knowing how toyota as a business functions.
I wanna see this go further
It's fascinating for sure! I've got a Model 3 arriving in a few weeks and it's my prefered method of transportation...but this is super cool too! 👍👍 Definitely going to do more research on this. Thanks for the POV video.
I feel you. The first time I fueled up a Hyundai Nexo was kind of intimidating, the hissing sounds and the sound from the huge storage tanks...
the screen bootup animation is so cool
In Melbourne, Toyota is offering free refuelling to Mirai drivers at its Centre of Excellence in Melbourne’s southwest, with all the hydrogen used produced and stored in-house.
It doesn’t matter what we put inside. The point is to take us as much as possible…even if it would be air
I don't understand the HATE for hydrogen! Its an electric car but instead of using lithium batteries to store energy it can be stored in a steel tank (or carbon fiber) with almost unlimited refill cycles. For Heavy Duty trucks, its awesome. Lithium battery cars are great for around town, but heavy hauling and long distanced hydrogen is the way to go. I also a believe in diversifying methods, there isn't a one size fits all approach.
Exactly. 👊
I agree, I love diversity when it comes to this stuff
Peaceful and lovely drive… ♥️
Whats amazing to me is that 1kg of hydrogen is enough to get you about 100km! That is crazy.
How strong is the hydrogen tank in the Mirai?
You need to shoot 2 .50 cal rifle rounds in the same exact spot, just to make a slight dent. When they tested the tank to the point of destruction, they’ve also destroyed the testing machine as well.
what ?
I drove this in Sweden last year. Very cool car.
Yes it is lovely to drive. Thanks for watching!
My Corolla Hybrid - full tank AU$50 (€33.72) for 950km in 1min (4.2L/100Km)
Also make this spaceship sound quite loud it's cool , my model is ZR made in Japan also have all this whistles and bells
Exactly!
It is ok to be ECO Friendly, but why we need to pay 12 euros per 100 Kms, as he stat in another video, that the car run 450 Kms with 1 full tank, which costs 56 euros!
Toytota is on the correct path. Hydrogen powered fuel cells is our future for cars.
No it's not. Hydrogen has some commercial use, but the consumer market wont pay 3-4 times the running costs over plugging it in at home.
Some of these chargers are already at gasoline prices and will only rise when more BEVs are sold. Then you have the issue of households that live in complexes with no charge point whatsoever. They’ll have to go to a commercial provider and pay through the nose and wait their turn at a BEV line. No my friend hydrogen fuel cells is the future
@@illuminaughty2929 EVs have already won. It's not economically viable to build out the Hydrogen infrastructure, for those people that can't charge at home. They will have to get the bus.
@@illuminaughty2929 didn't you see how expensive hydrogen is in the video? Not to mention hydrogen supply chain are more complex than electric.
@@bltzcstrnx Have you seen how expensive EV charging is. Right up there with gasoline with less than 5% of total cars built are EVs. What can we expect the price to be when EVs make up 50% or more.... all waiting in line to charge up.
I own an 1966 Ford Mustang. It still has the original V-8 engine and gas tank. Do you think an BEV will ever be a classic since their battery life is relatively short and cost a fortune to replace.
I had a classic car that had been through 3 petrol engines in it's lifetime. Lack of maintenance from former owners plus just wear and tear. The fact it was on it's third engine didn't change the cars asthetic, availability or age - the things that make it 'desirable' and classic. The new engine I put in added nothing to (nor adversly affected) it's market value.
Oh, it had also gad at least one fill up of fuel so the power source wasn't original either.
Don't be scared of different fuel/eninges. Don't be scared of change.
We will run out of oil one day - all those ICE cars won't become classics jusf because there is no fuel.
We need change, we need cleaner air, we need to keep progressing or trying...
@@thebrowns5337 In Spain our scrapyards are filled with old cars with perfect working engines. ICE engines lasts forever if properly maintained, the car simply become just too old before the engine dies. Trucks however are all their life on the road and they run millions of kilometers.
Wow, this looks better than a electric car
It IS an electric car!!! hhh
But it uses a fuel cell instead of a "normal" battery.
@@sassuki oh ok thanks, still better than a electric car
not bad i like it!
JUST INSANE, my dream next car is Hydogen car
Thanks for this review!but isnt it supposed to be a cheap way to move?50E for 500km sounds expensive
Cheap I’m not sure, I just see it as an alternative way of transportation next to electric & gas. Mainly for big cargo, not personal transportation.
man, no one at the pump? here in LA theres always at least 3-4 cars in line. line goes duper fast but its never empty, very cool.
Something you’ll only see in California :). This station opened that same day, I shot that video 4 months ago and every time I drive past no one is using it. Also because there’s hardly any hydrogen cars sold here.
Cool!! Love this development .
What was the actual time it took you to finish fuelling? I get it with "it usually takes you X minutes", just as fuelling a gas tank takes you 5 minutes. That is almost not the case (80%+)
Can you partially fill the tank?
Love that sound....
psssssjj... CLUNK!
Now we just BMW to cash in their "1 free favor" card from Toyota for building the supra, and borrow that hydrogen platform to make a hydrogen M car.
👌😄
own and drive an '15 auris hybrid. Toyota claimed consumption 3.8 l/100 km. Achieved consumption:
42.000 km @ 4.49 l/100 km across 3 years of ownership from which
16.000 km @ 3.66 l/100 km from which
3.000 km @ 3.35 l/100 km.
why complicate yourself with a hydrogen hybrid vehicle (because it actually is a hybrid).
I love how everyone's getting scared about hydrogen being flammable yet nobody bats an eyelid about the millions of people who fill up petrol cars daily 😂
More like billions lol
That's why the climate hoax agenda is working properly
That's why the plandemic worked and people became programmed masked zombies
Hope you are not one of them
In munich we have 3 and one is less than 500m away from my home. Germany is pretty solid compared with other countrys.
beginning is funny tho lol :D
thanks :)
this is the future, wait for the whole world to figure it out, it's better than electro. And if you still drive completely, it will be generally cool
Excellent story!
Thanks! 🙏
Maybe it's because it is still a very recent technology, but it is very expensive for 500kms range. With my Corolla Hybrid I spend around 7.5€ per 100kms.
This could be the future, though hydrogen needs to be more consumer competitive to gasoline and diesel. An equivalent diesel car can do about 1000km easly with 80€
the industrial foundation of hydrogen creation is on the first steps,thats why its expensive
It is impossible for hydrogen to compete.
Either you reformulate (I think that is the word) natural gas and have to pay the price of gas + the price of the energy used in the process + man hours to do so + energy to compress and liquify hydrogen + energy to transport it, which will obvious be much than what you pay for natural gas alone, or....
You will have to pay electricity to make the hydrolysis (a lot of electricity) + electricity to compress the hydrogen and liquify it + man hours to do it + energy to transport it which will always be much more than what you pay for electricity to directly charge you battery.
So, unless the laws of physics are broken, hydrogen as a fuel for ordinary citizens won't be a thing, no matter what they tell you.
It will work for very specific cases like the international trucking industry and that is it.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Unfortunally, it's something we will have to do, natural gas and oil is finite and can't be produced in all countries, electric vehicles have that big disadvantage of charging times and hard to fit big batteries for long travels, hydrogen it's practically unlimited and fixes the issue of time to refuel.
@@antcarhd1823 Charging time is decreasing massively, but people still lie about it. I heard someone say that the average EV takes hours to charge, when in reality it's 10 minutes on a supercharger
@@antcarhd1823 Charging time isn't a problem, people just don't think. "What if I am in a hurry in the morning?" Charge it at night... Anyways, the average EV today is actually better than the average ICE. Low charging prices (5$), More range (350-400 miles), more powerful, etc,
Do they produce Hydrogen by electrolysis or chemical reaction or natural gas to put in the car?
till this day i still consider hydrogen a better & superior option to electric in any way, 1 thing it lacks is the infrastructure, hydrogen needs more filling station
I don't like electric cars. But this seems promising
I calculated 0.174 USD per mile at the current rate in the video. My NA 2.4L l4 Honda gets 0.085 USD per mile. I get that this is new, but it would have to drop more than 50% in price before Hydrogen has meaningful cost benefits for the consumer - can the supply lines actually handle that big of a slice off their profits?
Hydrogen is fairly new tech, that's mostly been specialized and not in any consumer vehicles before now. Producing anything gets better and cheaper with time and with the economy of scale.
I still maintain that rather than Hydrogen, a Chevy Volt system using diesel instead of gas would be the perfect car until we perfect solid state batteries enough to put them into cars. A small, 35 Mi range battery for day to day operation that you can plug in to charge overnight (and regenerative breaking), and a diesel generator to charge it while driving for longer trips. More efficient by far than a gas engine on both emissions and fuel milage.
It's literally the system that Diesel-Electric trains use for freight all around the world. They're the most efficient style of engines we have available to us.
Fossil fuels won't keep low prices... the stuff costs billions in healthcare and we are running out of it. Less fuel means higher prices.
If we run out of hydrogens main source we don't beed to worry aboutbtge fost of stuff ;)
Finally, hidrogen car to daily car is expensive. It´s all invented.
Everyone is talking about EV/HY but no one talk about e85 which in europe is for less than 0.80 euro /L and a lot of cars are flex fuel and can run with it without getting more than 8L/100km, in europe Ford sells flexfuel cars, VW has done this to before and a lot of cars with some works can run with it too i will never understand why people will buy EV (not hydrogen ones) since every country seems to be coming to a shortage of electricity.. would you rather turn your heater on or recharge your car..
I am working in Japan and I want to get one Mirai, after I get my license. One new car is about 4-5 years of my income, so I plan to purchase a used one.
I wish you can drive one soon! ✨🙏✨
Updated: I've got my license. 😄
France, Ethanol E85, 0.67€/L
My car, Ford Puma Flexfuel, 8L/100Kms average, costs 5.36 € per 100 kms.
Shouldn't you leave your phone in the car while filling instead of walking around with it on the forecourt with highly flammable fuel around you? The static can cause explosions in petrol stations etc.
Yes I should and most of the time I do. For some reason I thought it was safe because I wasn't getting petrol... it was a late night. 🤦♂️
I just Notice that when you brake the turn signals start flashing really fast
it was an emergency brake, was a bit too enthusiastic on the brakes
Im curious as to how they keep they fuel cold. Doesn't that need energy?
I have no idea tbh. Cooling it with a diesel generator would be special. 😅
First, I think the car is beautiful, the rims are amazing, about the hydrogen stuff...
0.11€/Km... It's more expensive than a modern ICE at 6L/100Km at 1.40€/L gas price (last price I filled my car) ~0.08€/Km
And way more expensive than chaging a BEV at home - under 1cent/Km with some contracts that have very low prices at night like mine when I charge my PHEV
Unless H2 prices comes down a lot (which it has the potential to if production ramps up and technology improves) I see little future for this tech...
And with most auto manufacturers lack of interest in H2, even toyota launching their first BEV soon, I think H2 will die out soon - maybe it will be kept for bus and truck usage
Great info, still I'm most impressed by the fact u can get gas at 1.40€/L
@@RodrigoSebs price in Spain right now, though it has a temporary 20cent government discount till the end of the year
I think the Mirai owners will replace more 1.2 kWh batteries than a Kona's 64 kWh, because of degradation. I can swear that there is no thermal management for such a small battery that powers the car. And when that battery is down, you'll gonna get less and less out of your 5.6 kg H2 tank...
I have a Tesla 3 but I see a market for this too. Nice car….just need more H2 stations
EV are not going to be "future", even if you want them to be for unknown reasons.
@@divinehatred6021 What is going to be the future?
@@divinehatred6021 Wrong, they are the delayed past. BEVs are the present and going to just keep growing into the future. Sorry that is Harsh Reality regardless if you hate it.
Ahh Yes, the spaceship sound all booger eaters love.
So it's not as cheap as Prius in terms of (cost of the cars + cost of hydrogen refuel VS cost of gasoline). Currently it cost less than $50 to refuel my 2014 Prius and it has a range of 700 kilometers.
I get about 400 miles off of my 5.0 V8 when I drive it like a normal guy, so about 30 mpg.
The rate of decay for the capacirors and battery is waaay lower for the Mirai
Wow. I just watched someone get gas, at a gas station.
Sick video, as usual
Thanks Juan! 🙏
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You’re more frightened than a baby deer my god 😂
Hahaha, yes, I thought it was exploding 😅
who cares about the range when you can refill in max 5 mins
3-5 minutes? is that including the time from stopping untill you go again? or just from pushing the green button? untill it's done filling?
5 minutes from arrival to leaving again.
You probably spent more time typing that than he did pulling into the garage
we had a gastation here for hydrogen cars many years ago. the pump blow up when someone tryed filling there car. it has never been opend again
It’d be more promising to pursue the idea of using ammonia as a fuel source
man i want one but the closet station to me is sacramento
😅 yeah this only works where there are filling stations… we had the same problem for a long while
I might have to get this
Fisrt challenge: Find a station.
Yep 🙃
Idk about this kinda stuff, is hydrogen a better eco friendly alternative to gasoline?
Definitely sounds environmentally sustainable, even more so than EV. But also sounds expensive.
Hidrogen fuel is cool! 👍👍
Honestly I think hydrogen cars are the future instead of electric cars
and removing slavery of petro dollar
Comparing the price of gas and the MPG you get with gas to the price of hydrogen and the MPKg you get with hydrogen, which one is better?
Diesel, LPG or BEV.
Many popular H2 stations are now around $20/kg, to that's $20/70miles or $0.29/mi BEV in CA is $0.25/kWh @4 mi/kWh or $0.06/ mile if you charge at home
Nice 😊👍
What cost is your fuel full tank?
I like it But the price for the hydrogen for the full tank is very high
Good video. Portuguese subtitles are completely messed up, though. They mention "shorts" (the piece of clothing) and "hypermarkets" instead of "hypermiling", alongside all sorts of awkward phrasing.
Ah really… damn. Thanks to let me know, it’s an automated translation, guess it messed up. 🫤
@@johnnypovdrives If you want, I can give you a hand on Portuguese subtitles.
Edit: You're welcome. :)
terrible experiences to add hydrogen, the hydrogen stations around me (usually 10 miles away) has been always down, one has been down for 4 months. The other I waited 30 min today without hydrogen or station error. The hydrogen price is twice or even triple the price of gas.
That’s the price for being an early adopter I’m afraid… could be something in the future but they’re not there yet.
This is the first time i've heard of an hydrogen car. Even tho my dream car is a E30 from BMW, this might be a good one to have
There is just 3 Three Stations on this Continent of Australia. NSW & VIC State goverments have announced a joint grant for 25 Stations with $10 million AUD, that only covers a proportion of the cost. Meanwhile Aus is also the home to Tritium DC Chargers, who probably produces hundreds a month.
so 55 for 430km/267 miles doesn't sound good. So in terms of efficacy its good but not very cost efficient for the car owner. 30ish for my volt gets me 480km/300miles.
Hydrogen and Natural Gas Vehicles both have the same hissing sound
hydrogen fuel process and the sound during which is scary. ev is the better of the two i think
the one thing concerns me is, the batteries can get really hot, both while driving and charging
both technologies SHOULD be safe... until something goes wrong. ✌️😄
New invention no fuel station needed only cardridge storage stations will be the future of hidrogen 2022 NAMX Suv prototyp was released the cardridge system Toyota will research this system also lm the future
Kan je eens een test doen waarbij je vol gas gaat om te kijken hoeveel kilometer je kan afleggen op de topsnelheid?
Plsssssssss let this become common in usa its the best of both worlds, green and you can use it for a combustion engine.
Why did you turn your hazards on?
Dit is het nieuw geopende waterstofstation dichtbij de A12 (Brussel - Antwerpen) toch van de Colruyt Groep?
Yes, Dats24!
Wow just as easy as a petrol car. Honestly once the infrastructure is in place, i can't see why anyone would want the inconvenience of an EV.
Which one is cheaper in your country?gas or hydro?
Just to fill up the tank hydro is a bit cheaper not much tho around 10-20€ but still diesel is around 20-30€ more but you get double or more the range so in the end its cheaper to run a diesel car but then again prob no taxes on the mirai 🤷♂️
For me, H2 is $18/kg that gets a Mirai 67 miles or $0.27/mi. Gasoline is $3.70/gal or roughly $0.12/mi. Electricity is $0.14/kWh that gets 4 miles, or $0.035/mile or 8 times less. I have solar, so charging doesn't cost anything.
Gas, we don't have hydrogen here
everyones commenting how great this is, and dont get me wrong it seems cool as hell. but i also know my history and keep thinking, one rear end mishap and boom, hindenburg all over again.
I think we should test that. 🚀
@@johnnypovdrives keep me clear of it when it happens lol
Hopefully the manufacturers took that possibility into account.
Bruh that sound when you accelerated hard sounds like a sound clip I designed for " the sound of an electric car" for a contest. I never heard back from them and never even found out who won the contest. I feel so stupid for even sending anything to them. They clearly just used free workforce to make their electric car noises.
I kinda wanna do vanlife in a hydrogen car. lol
Wauu its a price is so expensive now?
I really hate EVs but this is a bit better, still prefer a real engine and a clutch
Love my nearly silent smooth Ioniq 5 EV
@@nihilisticsoup2919 when you need a new $70k battery will you still love it? My gas powered cars wouldn’t cost me that much to keep running for two lifetimes.
@@CarLoverPhotography Mines a disabled car so the government pays for it
1kg of hydrogen = 9,99 €. 5,6 kg in the tank amount to 56,00 €. He does less then 500 km with that fuel. Literally my petrol car is less expansive then that.
How is this easier than plugging in when you get home at night and then unplugging in the morning when you leave?
when your only application for a vehicle is to get to work.
I love how the comments are marvelling at the ~500 km range but given a ~500km ev I know the comments would be sounding off with “193839000 kM aT LeAaSt oR itS noT enoUGh FoR Me”
But you can refuel it in 3-5 mins... so noone cares about "just" 500km! But EVs have to stay for hours to achieve the range with a fully loaded battery
I like the wheels.
El futuro de la energía es el hidrógeno
How many kilometers per kilogram tho?
Hydrogen is definitely not the way... history taught us this...
Not in America. I think you can only get them in California. This car looks like another version of the Lexus LS500
That’s right, only California. Also because the Hydrogen infrastructure in the rest of the country just isn’t there.