Stockfish Has Fallen
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Stockfish never fails to play the top engine move
true
Intresting.....
It's been 5 mins
Yes I made a typo get over it
fr
"Try to copy what these engines play"
Yeah, that's what got me banned. Thanks.
Lol
Suffering from success
Lolol 😅
It would be very interesting to see the evaluation bar for both stockfish and leela at the same time to see how they evaluate the current position.
Nice idea
I would die laughing when Leela's eval bar goes skyrocketing after stockfish makes a move it thinks is equal
i think leela evaluates position very different than stockfish, like u could see +0.5 on stockfish, wheres leela would show +3.
It wouldn't work well unless evaluation is given by those cloud engines, that actually play the game. Browser or local engines are obviously too weak to provide accurate analysis
@@null1700I think that's the point. That sort of information should be logged and published as the games are being played.
I reckon you could compare them and see some interesting results
Levy never fails to review an entire game then say "but that didn't happen"
That's why it's so engaging :)
"but instead of that"
When I first started watching him, and was like a chess beginner, I found it kinda pointless, annoying, waste of time, but now I find it interesting how it could've played out and it actually explains why certain moves are better than others (where you have to think many moves ahead) so yeah it's more interesting like that
I'm amazed that levy didn't find a way to squeeze magnus into the title
😢
Don't tempt him
Stockfish has Fallen BUT MAGNUS DIDN'T!!!
(I'm not a hater I'm just kidding I don't like the people who actually try to make Levy feel bad)
didnt take him very long to work magnus into the actual video though
THE MAGNUS CARLSEN OF CHESSBOTS!!!
it feels like stockfish has been trained on humans and leela has been trained on stockfish
It is actually Leela generates data, that both Leela and Stockfish learns.
Pretty sure stock fish is still the more powerful engine
@@zaccherradi618That's for sure. Stockfish loses one, wins a bunch of others.
@@zaccherradi618Not anymore
@@walidali8669 So what tournament did Leela win then?
Superfinal: Stockfish won 52-48.
Cup 12: Stockfish won 14.5-13.5.
Swiss: Stockfish won at 15.5 points, Leela second at 14.5 points.
FRD league is currently running, might be where Leela actually can win for once.
Stockfish shouldn´t be this dominant if what you say is true.
It's absolutely staggering to see Leela play this game. Stockfish plays like an absolute bloodthirsty demon but LC0 just Sun Zu's through it relentlessly. I am far too smooth brained to understand the plays but it's gorgeous to watch
Which is why it's called a zoo
To be fair every game in this video is LC0 playing white from a position that is slightly winning from the opening. Stockfish would win these positions just as easily if not easier (most likely)
Still cool to watch, but it's not some nail in the coffin of Stockfish
@@jordanmungo917 were they "slightly winning from the opening" tho? the second one had leela losing a bishop at the start. white generally has a very tiny advantage; but i don't think that microscopic advantage matters that much among the top AIs, especially when they are programmed to do theory moves in the opening.
but yea, definitely far from stockfish being donezo... yet.
what would be amazing tho... is if stockfish actually learns from these losses and starts dreaming up counters for that h6 pawn from leela. it would be spooky if we can actually track stockfish's evolution in terms of chess theory... what if stockfish actually stops playing like an aggro demon at the next tournament and starts positioning defensively/long-term like leela did here?
@@alveolate openings REALLY matter to the AIs
@@ishkanark6725 UNLESS ITS A FARM
The Similarities between Levy and Stockfish are insane as they both play chess.
Stockfish says," You can't "
Leela and Torch say, " Watch us "
Caught some fresh got ham 👏
meh, leela has beaten stockfish before and then stockfish has beaten leela again. They jockey for first and second.
Leela beat stockfish? Interesting
@@tiletapper4everLeela played with an elo of 3642. I believe you would find this interesting.
Yeah watch the video. @@tiletapper4ever
Levy will find a way to talk about Magnus in a computer chess tournament.
So did you😮
Really immersive video Gotham. Played this on my TV and I felt like you were right there in the room with me like a little human in the TV explaining chess to me
xddd
wait, hes not a little human in my tv?
If we were on Reddit I would give you an award@@DudeWhoSaysDeez
Psychosis got me
@@DudeWhoSaysDeezhe meant TV mai kaisa dikh Raha hai use samjhana chah raha tha.
Stockfish has fallen, pieces will be sacrificed, billions will be checkmated
Stockfish never fails to include Levy in Chess
Chess never fails to include Levy in Stockfish.
Levy never fails to include Chess in Stockfish.
wrr
Today's stare was quite suspicious, and exquisitely simple, yet royal in its regard. 11/10, thank you Levy.
haha fr
11/9
fiddle with da cow fat and a bean bag biscuit do you know?
@@sealcraft4353 what- 😂
My video froze on the first frame for like 7 seconds so I thought it was just a really long stare XD
As Leela I can confirm that Stockfish has indeed fallen for me
You saying Stockfish is carrying a torch for Torch? 🙂
Well, for me it has fallen after going neural network...just after Leela won TCEC. It has to be noted that Stockfish is still the champ, but after going NN, it was just crushing opponents, including Leela. Seems the situation is getting re-balanced. I was expecting this thing to happen because Leela's approach in algorithm is better in the long run but its success is linked to the progress of computers.
@@QuentinKLEauyou're like the 🤓emoji except to an extreme level
@@JustAnotherCommenterWhat is wrong with you?
@@QuentinKLEauyou didn't get the joke
OP is saying stockfish is crushing on leela
Your AlphaZero vs Stockfish breakdowns got me into your channel and into chess in general. You are very good at commentating chess games and making any game interesting
Leela is a successor of AlphaZero, which is pretty amazing!
Stockfish never fails to play chess
waiting for the r/woooosh
@@bobbleisawesome r/woooosh
@@IAmebAdger i dont think thats how it works
@@bobbleisawesome I know, it was tongue in cheek
Of course he never fails
No need to do it, I r/wooooshed myself
Excellent video Levy. Love these engine deep dives. The different variations that you explain give a much better understanding of these complicated engine moves. Would love to see more videos like these in the future.
Love when you do chess engine reviews, Levy! I'm an avid TCEC watcher, especially the long time control parts of seasons and bonus rounds. Love your content! Sending love from New Zealand!
Stockfish has fallen. Billions must blunder.
Something I'm learning from these engines. Its not just about gaining space. It's denying space. In that second game Lela completely blocked Black from its side of the board and patiently pushed its way closer to the other side while preventing black from getting past its front lines.
Isn't denying space the same as gaining space ?
Not exactly. You can restrict the movement of your opponents pieces without actually gaining any space of your own. @@michaelblankenau6598
@@michaelblankenau6598 usually gaining space would mean squares on the opponents side of the board and protecting your side you would just call defense or prophylaxis or something like that
My point was that if you’re gaining space you’re at the same time denying space to your opponent …
@@michaelblankenau6598 I mean yes, obviously...if you look at it as total squares captured and controlled. But I was more looking at it from the standpoint that moving forward and gaining squares can be done while allowing infiltration into your own side of the board. But if you deny access to your side AND move forth and gain more space, this is what the engines do.
Would love to see how Stockfish handled the same positions as white. Would be really interesting to see where the two computers deviate from one another in these paired games and how that ends up affecting the result of each match.
This was such a fun video to watch! I don't usually care so much about chess engines, but you've done such a good job explaining why they're important to the evolution of the game PLUS weaving a narrative around this competition... dramatic and engrossing!
Nah report that fish dude for cheating. Ain’t no way he can play all the best moves
Stockfish falls and breaks its neck
Levy: 😃 👍
Getting his pieces into the action quickly is how Morphy played. And his opponent's pieces were stuck in the mud.
Stockfish never fails to play a key role in gotham chess videos.
Haha I love the way you giving " Personalites" to the Lila and Stockfish ❤😂😂😂❤
Leela just so u know
Leelo and stitchfish, one calmed, the other absurdly aggresive
@@Whyisthisathing825 Leila and Shockstich, strategic thinker vs the wild card
nah it's layla and stuckfish wtg? you guys can't spell
@@qfortune- stuckfish is stuck at 3600 elo
Always good to see Stockfish getting humbled.
Stockfish never fails to feature levy in a video
Thanks levy for the video! I'm feeling pretty down right now I just want to forget about this awful feeling of sadness. I really appreciate the video. thanks man!.
i love levy's enthusiasm and characterization of stockfish as a bully lmao
These engines are like chess avengers. Stockfish is the team leader, Leela is the calm and swift female character, Torch is the new kid in the team who comes from a rich family, always naughty, and super aggressive in fights.
AlphaZero is the self made successful guy
That second game was very Magnesian, all pieces out, all pawns reluctant to move until the exact right time. Amazing. This is like watching Hikaru adopting 2750s.
I really enjoyed that and would love to see more like it. Your commentating is great, it really makes it exciting to watch. Its nice to see the mighty stockfish played like a fool.
This is a wonderful set of games. Beautiful. Love this.
Great educational content Levy! I need to thank you for getting me into chess because I've won some tournaments. Some non-impressive and some impressive. Thank you for getting me into a new part of my life, and educating me for free.
I second the motion to make more engine videos! I've been writing my own for the past month or so, and it's about 2000 blitz on Lichess :)
You are amazing levy. Your work ethic and your passion is just infectious. More power to you.
I would love to see content like this with both eval bars. It is interesting to see the stockfish eval bar be like "it's a draw" and the a few moves later be like "just kidding I'm losing". Curious to see what the other eval was at the same time.
I like the fact that Levy is happy after Stockfish's death. Good job! You made me spontaneously combust
Stockfish never fails to play the top Hans Niemann move
These videos are definitely the most fascinating on your channel. I always love torch videos.
Yes, I would like more coverage of the cutting-edge chess programs playing against each other!
stockfish and LC0 never fail to make levy adopted.
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Im a real person
Stockfish never fails to raise Levy’s kids.
Very cool! I also would like to keep watching these engine chess videos. From time to time maybe. Certainly enjoyed this one
Keep it up, Well done
Welcome back Gotham , you truly belongs to the good old days content that includes these types of exquisite engine games
*Billions must calculate.*
stock fish never fails to put levy in its videos
Awesome breakdown of all the moves. I'm totally fascinated by computer chess. Keep those videos coming 😮
Bring more content like this Levy! I enjoy it very much.
So, basically, Stockfish's aggression decimates any human players, but Leela's perfect defense negates its advantage. And thus, the unstoppable force can't touch the immovable object.
I mean what you wrote sounds cool and all but end of the day stockfish is still stronger and has beaten leela more than vice versa
@@Pharmaceutics Fair. Theoretically though, a bot like Leela would be the one to overtake Stockfish, I would imagine
@@derekweber552 yeah agreed, the way it looked like it knew stockfishes play style and actual tendencies in these games was a bit unnerving ngl
Counterpoint:
"All things must pass"
George Harrison
@@samuelvavia8920 key word ‘is’
Levy's phrase "Slowly, methodically, improve." never gets old.
*Starts bullet game*
It's useful and entertaining to see high level play broken down like this with your explanations.
Loved these engine vs engine game examples.
They demonstrated a depth of field my limited scope often fails to consider.
The last game was so beautifully played
As each position is repeated on both sides, It could be interesting to analyze difference in gameplans. Did both engines develop the same ideas towards victory?
Especialy when there is a difference in the outcome (as it was the case for game 3). Why did Leela won as white but stockfish didnt win when it had the white pieces in the same position.
Leela lost the superfi but it's getting closer
Completely agree. This is great content and love your commentary
I enjoyed this more than any of your other content, and I enjoy the rest of your content lots
Poor stockfish, even though it almost always wins the overall matches Levy never fails to make videos where it seems like it lost overall.
it'd be great if you linked the PGN (or at least the round and game # from the match) in the description :D
Providing sources? On TH-cam? Pfft
Great video. I'm not into engine vs engine... BUT when they produce these types of games I'll watch every time. Good one Levy.
Your narration was pretty good, got all hyped up, makes me wanna play
Leela is like the strict teacher of chess
If Leela keeps this up, it might become as accurate as Hans
Damn, Leela moving the king manually to the g file to keep the rook on the h file to support the h pawn is such a powerful strat to set up the endgame is incredible. Such incredible play by Leela on every part of the board. The queenside defense, the middle file tension, and the kingside expansion, she makes stockfish look so brutish compared to her calm and elegant play.
I love every single AI chess video you put out, Levy. These videos truly are just such a wonderful treat. Excellent brain-food. Especially since I'm 600 ELO, watching these with your commentary feels like eating at a five star restaurant while I've got open cans of Chef Boyardee at home.
I loved this video Levy. Your analysis here was spot on. More like this please.
Stockfish's chess never fails to speak for itself
"Prepare to be amazed" on a GothamChess video often means "prepare to be clickbaited"
This was actually amazing though. Rare occurrence. But these were honestly great matches.
These are super instructive, more please!
What beautiful games. Really enjoyed this, as always. Thanks.
Stockfish is our king
He will never truly fall
Would be cool to see stock fish and the others play 960 or other chess variations
I wonder if they would just draw most games though. I mean, this only doesn't happen in these games because of the forced openings.
These videos motivate me to play good chess thats why we love the series
Thank you.
I love your explaining.
Sorry for my very limited English.
Greetings from Cenizate, Albacete, Spain.
Keep it up!
They're like GM vs IM. Both know what they're doing, but one can do defense and offense simultaneously better. Great stuff.
Don't get the wrong idea, Stockfish is higher rated and wins a greater amount of games against Leela.
Also the openings featured in these games are notoriously bad for black at computer level. Stockfish vs Stockfish, Leela vs Leela, Stockfish vs Leela and Leela vs Stockfish all would result in a high probability of white winning the games.
Don't compare Stockfish to an IM. :(
Yeah, SF also won as white in the Queens Indian and Scandinavian shown in this vid. Although Lc0 was able to hold the Kings Indian against SF.
Having seen this whole video 2 mins after it’s release - can confirm it’s a banger
I'll admit these are my favorite kinds of videos you make as well
The engine has fallen, billions must calculate
Stockfish never fails to put Gotham in a chess game
We know we're in the final form when they don't even play. They just shake hands and one King falls.
I like watching the computer videos because it shows me deep middle game and end game ideologies. Its like seeing the frontier of chess and where it can be...
"I'M STILL STOCKFISH, I'M STILL PRESSURING YOU" - stockfish according to levy
Levi is hands down one of the greatest chess teachers he helped me get from 0 to 1300 elo in about a year
Likewise!! From 0 to 750 in 18 months!!
Didnt think a fish could fall
Lol
Gravity
@@Eibezukunftbruh
The stockfish has fallen
Millions must improve
Great vid for the next one can maybe put on game review so we can see what stockfish thinks of lellas moves
Levy never fails to include Stockfish in his videos.
“Stockfish has fallen” is something we’d wanna hear during the AI uprising tbh
Just INCREDIBLE, no words. Thx for showing that my friend! Cheers from Czech republic!
stockfish and leela like a sibling rivalry in engine chess both are so close in strength but fighting ruthlessly against each other
Who is the elder sister Stockfish or Leela?
First Torch, then Leela
Stockfish has indeed fallen
I mean SF still beats both more often than the reverse, it won this tournament overall.
Interesting, that originally, AlphaZero was extremely aggressive, yet LC as a "spiritual successor" is much more ... "calm and patient" in a way.
- And Stockfish flipped in the opposite direction, perhaps?
That makes sense, since Stockfish is a classical engine which has to "prove" that a move is good during its search in order for a move to be chosen. Meanwhile Lc0 can just rely on intuition and play a move knowing it will probably lead to an advantage at some point, even without having calculated it to the end.
And I think the reason AlphaZero looked aggressive is just because Stockfish 8 played flawed moves, which it mercilessly punished. If you put Lc0 against the old Stockfish 8, I'm sure it would look similar.
The impression saying "imma take the knight cos knights are tricky" that's me 😂
When levy mouthslips his words
This was very interesting and amazing. Gothem never fails to amaze stockfish
Levi never fails to respekt the fish
Stockfish couldn’t comprehend a human playing twice itself
thanks levy for creating such videos, impressive analogy