Definitely something she needs to improve on but that doesn’t take away from the number of other things she does great! That’s why we have off seasons, to work on their games!
@@yngtrey1638But isn't it difficult to train out a series of bad habits, that have had years to develop, without putting in a LOT of time and work into doing so?
They need to hire Swoopes as their head coach. It would be an absolute dumpster fire but like watching a car crash it would be must see tv. I would LOVE to see that happen. 😂
If they hired Swoopes, at the very least, whenever they play Indiana, there’d be a half dozen flagrants on CC. She’d probably be at the line most of the game.
Face of the Franchise? I mean, maybe per media standards, but not on-court... She's not even the best forward on her own team, let alone "top 5 in the league" at her position. - Ranks last among all forwards at offense. - Can't defend more than 75% of her matchups anyway. - Had 2 or 3 good games all year. 55/69 is what her FG% ranks in the league among forwards. Not top 10 in scoring. Is top 10 in FGAs though. She leads all forwards in fouls per game, besides Brink. Ranks over top 25 in blocks though. 10th in steals (tied). So, your "study" of stats is that you're basically able to replace her by every forward in the league except Smith (because she's not trying to be there) and you're saying that she's a "top of her position" or something like that? Come on... This is a dumb take. Angel's one of the worst players.
Mick, you can't speak for Teresa weatherspoon being a good development coach after what she did, force feeding angel while other players' development suffered. I get you always trying to be neutral but you yourself have so many videos complaining about the sky offense being shite because all they do is force feed angel the ball. ain't no way i'd be happy with a coach doing that shit
i've noticed mick has recently gone into full overcompensation mode to try to distance himself from the caitlin clark crazies, and as a result he has become this weird contrarian character when it comes to any critique directed at the sky. he's trying too hard to come off as unbiased.
Building a team around a rebounder has never happened since Bill Russell of the Celtics. But he was also the best outlet passer in NBA history, a supreme force on defense, the ultimate team player and most importantly a winner. Before the tip-off he had both teams convinced who was winning the game. Enormous power of will. MJ was like this as well. Anyways Reese has none of those qualities. Building around Reese prolongs the disaster.
Bill Russell was great because Auerbach, Cousy, Sharman, Heinsohn, Ramsey, Sam Jones, K.C. Jones, Sanders and Havlicek had his back. Otherwise, he would have been a left-handed Dikembe Mutombo without the finger wag.
Bill Russell said if you are beating a team don't change what you're doing. Make them prove that they can stop you. Sides must have read that upside down.
There is no fn way any sensible management will keep a coach that allows their personal relationship with one player influence their coaching in game decisions. And that's just one of the many instances of completely unprofessional behavior. This is pure lunacy, just stop it
Here here see how the complexion was changing Marbury you made the best move of your career then the Connecticut's come to play them guess what happens the former Chicago player gets targeted by quarter Witherspoon I don't like Carter but if she leaves it's over Reese I'm laughing at you with that Native American weave that you're wearing store bought
They really should have taken notes from the Fever. They legit were able to stay off social media, Indie loves the team, and it seems like most ppl are happy with the Fever.
She was a role player when LSU won the national championship and the next year when she tried to be the leader they LOST to an Iowa team full of 1,2 &3 star players. That says enough about Reese lead teams
Dude you keep saying this great player stuff about her. She is an average player at best. The fixation on this average talent being this great player is kinda disturbing.
AR shouldn't be afraid of her own invented haters, but of fans like Mick "The Leprechaun". Because they are the ones who insidiously push her into an absurd pride in her non-existent talent, ultimately could leading to her complete breakdown.
Man I get y’all don’t like her But since when have we ever considered a player average that was an all star their rookie season. That’s straight silly. Her scoring stats might not look great but she does a number of things way above average. If she wasn’t forced to be a scorer her game would look a lot better, wait until she joins a contender team in a few years, she can be an X factor type player, a Draymond Green type player
Witherspoon's diva treatment of AR was the center of the storm. You could tell that the other players resented it. Witherspoon didn't see that or didn't care. Totally appropriate that she got the boot. Now for Christie Sides...
When you have a coach laughing about flagrant fouls and not even reprimanding those players, that is not a good coach. Especially when they do it on camera, they didn’t even try to hide their laughter. Developing one player and leaving the other on the bench does not make a development coach. That’s favoritism, especially leaving her out there in garbage time to get a joke of a double-double. Spoon had no control of these players, just go back and listen to the team locker room during interviews.
Coach creates the culture, the team approach to offense and defense, and is responsible for TEAM development. She was a fail in all these areas except team defense. She had to go.
The Larry Bird - Magic Johnson narrative is slowly fading to the background as it becomes clear that Caitlin Clark is the true generational phenomenon and Angel Reese is just good rebounder and mediocre WNBA player. There is no rivalry except in AR's head, and perhaps a few ESPN commentators clinging to this nonsense.
You're sorta wrong on this one, Mick. The most capable player on the Sky is not Angel Reese, it's Chennedy Carter. She is, by a country mile, the most versatile player on the team, as she's shown in specific games to be able to be an all-around player with good rebounds, good steals, good passing, and great shooting. They should have rebuilt the team around her, it was a fatal mistake for the Sky to focus on Reese. She could have been their floor general if they weren't so caught up in the double double bs.
Cheryl Reeve did not want any part of the AR chaos show. I do not think any coach can control AR. You can either give her everything she wants or you can let her divide the team. The only reason she did not quit on this team is Weatherspoon basically threw games to get AR her stats. Kim Mulkey sent her home. Something that will not happen in this league. My question is would any coach want her now. I am sure coach will but it would be a disaster. I do not like Weatherspoon at all. But I do think she might be able to coach in the right system. Having a Diva as your star player was never going to work.
Trade Reese or free Cardoso so she can play for a professional organization. Go through the list of quality players who have left the Sky in recent years, the most recent being Mabrey, to understand that there is something really wrong with the Sky. This is no time for the Sky to have a development coach when the WNBA is on the verge of entering a gold rush period. I believe Reese is a cancer in the locker room and will be traded.
I think your missing the big picture. The conduct of the players and coach reprisent the Sky. The organization wants a different image. My final thought is we will probably find out soon that the team is completely dysfunctional in the locker room and Angel is only about Angel and players don't like watching the team only about her and not team
In any other "company" or "industry" HR would be getting Chennedy Carter mental health support - not encouraging the behavioral problems. Tspoon should have been gone weeks ago.
The problem with Weatherspoon is she had bad leadership skills and bad player development skills. Reese regressed through the season, her shooting got worse. Cardoso should have been the focus in the paint, instead Cardoso played 2nd fiddle and lost a year of development. There are 2 examples of zero player development. Mabrey wanted out in the middle of a season, talk about bad coach leadership skills. Two other players express dissatisfaction right after the season and want out. Dana wanted traded right after Mabrey. Talk about a toxic dysfunctional mess brought about by Reese and her self-centered personality and Weatherspoon's horrible leadership and teaching skills.
As good a rebounder (often rebounding her own wild missed shots) as Angel Reese is, she is one of the root problems of Sky is falling. TSpoon paid the price because she allowed Angel Reese to be the way she is and she lost the locker room. (Do we have to mention Mabrey's request to be traded and now she is playing for the Sun which is rising into the semi final?) It will be very interesting to see what free agents wants to play with Angel up in the Sky.
I usually agree with you on most of your takes but on this one we disagree. T-Spoon didnt coach like a player coach she coached like an enabler for one or two players on the team at the expense of everyone and everytjing else for what appears to be political not basketball reasons. She is a professional head basketball coach who without exception had the teams worst free throw shooter take all of the technical foul shots until that player secured 10 points to extend a personal stat line. Literally, no other professional coach would do that. She sacrificed the development of the #3 pick who largely sat until the #7 pick had 10 points and 10 reboundsto extend a personal stat line. Two players this season demanded trades, Mabry specifically cited that the team had not priortized winning. There was the audible fight in the locker room between teammates during a post game press conference. Two Chicago players were bullied to tears by their own fan base because they were not part of the "clique." Long before Reece decided to have surgery they were on a 7 game losing streak. I give her credit for taming Chennedy Carter and enabling Reece to push a narrative that a 29% shooter from a foot away that leads the league in missed layups should win any award regardless how many "offfensive" rebounds she collects to a large degree from her own missed shots. If you get 20 offensive rebounds the expection is it translates to 40 points which it didn't so the offensive rebounds were largely meaningless and didnt help the team only her personal stat line and a political narrative. T-Spoon was a disaster way worse than Christy Sides who should also be on her way out the door.
Word out there is that Swoopes actually is putting her name out there in an attempt to get the Chicago Sky coaching job. I said it as a joke especially after her one attempt at coaching went so horribly bad. It would be comedy all season long though.
@@voguehaven5154 So he should focus on Gaelic Football, the national sport in his country. There are 15 players in one team. The game is a combination of football, volleyball, basketball and rugby, and the aim is to score more goals than your opponent. That basketball..., that's probably why he thinks he is expert.
Rumors have started that the NBA is stepping in to start cleaning up, all the bad publicity that the league is receiving from players and Coaches due to the new media partners and expansion teams coming into the league.. Whether that's true or possible idk.
Mick got that the Sky were a disaster early on. But keeping Witherspoon as head coach made no sense at all. She lost the locker room early in the season. When good players don't want to play for your team, even a "player development coach" isn't going to last for long. If Witherspoon's head coach persona is her real persona, let's hope that she gets an assistant job with one of the big 4 so she can wreak havoc on the team that hires her.
Mick Angel & her relationship with Teaspoon is the issue & I know the other players expressed that to ownership in their exit interviews. You can never play favorites with a rookie & put her above the team. Angels ego is already out of control & Teaspoon feed it instead ok controlling it. The VETS on that team resented her I guarantee you that’s why they are a mess. That’s another reason why CC is so smart she came in & fit in she accepted bad coaching & she played team ball putting her team above herself. She refused to take credit in wins & took the blame for loses a leader. She refused to take more shots even though she could have. Thats going to change next year she will take 20+ shots a game & no one will say anything about except she improved so much 😂😂
I will never forgive Angel Reese for a cheering after her teammate. Courtney Carter tried to permanently injure Caitlin Clark with a violent back check on Caitlin Clark while the Ball wasn't even in Play. WNBA Fan from SWFL Grandpa Jimmy 😢
If they had played cardoso instead of angel, the Sky would have been really dangerous. I dont like Camilla as a player only for the reason....SHE IS A BAD ASS..If the fever could snag camilla they would be dangerous..there are many great players. if Clark, Cardoso , Mabrey, Mitchell, Boston, Martin and Sabrina was a team that would be the opposing teams nightmare. Angel lost her fire.
Witherspoon allowed the inmates to run the asylum. Usually I’ll side with you mick but you’re way off on this one. Put these players in a professional setting to see how good they can be. Get the street ball mentality out of the wnba
I think getting rid of her was a good thing. She may have been good for moral and been liked by some players. But it’s seems pretty clear others were on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think she was also awful for Reese because she didn’t develop her at all; she just enabled her bad habits and stat padding vs actually playing to her strengths and winning games.
Mick. Generally I agree with you on most points. But this coach firing should have been expected by everybody. Coach Weatherspoon got fired because of her Courtside manner and off field attitudes. If I'm the owner of the Sky I would have fired her mid season for her antics. She is not a coach I would want my players to emulate.
So now what are they gonna promote her for. It sure ain't gonna be rookie of the year. What mvp yeah good luck with that. In 2 years she will be just another body. Over hyped flash in the pan. Cardoza is the true talent.
I think that's a bit harsh. I am no Reese fan, but she can ball. No, she is not CC22, but then who is? The senior people around Reese should guide her better. She still needs to do a lot of maturing just like CC22 has to. No players in the history of sport have had it as bad as this generation has with social media. Yes, some of the players are quite horrible but I have noticed, many of the fans are not much better. On BOTH sides. Maybe with the correct mentorship Reese can shine in her own right.
@@marcushicks7395you are pathetic. Why does every comment have to be “y’all wyt people”. Show your ignorance often? Everything that does not go your way is due to skin color?? Reese is a good rebounder and AWFUL on offense but is unbelievably selfish on and off the court. This is why all her teammates want to leave HER team.
Cardoso is a beast. She is their most valuable asset. Big that is fast and can shoot and shoot FTs. Reese is great, but she is 2 maybe 3 on the team. If Cardoso & Reese swap number of shot attempts, they make the playoffs.
If Reese can develop an offensive game, then she'll be a power house. Otherwise she's a one dimensional player just rebounding. Probably 1/4 to 1/3 of her rebounds are her own misses that she grabs. She's absolutely fantastic at rebounding. The rest of her game needs a lot of work. Maybe she'll put that work in over the off season but she likes attention too much to not play and just hit the gym.
She’s a role player at best who played on stacked college teams with 5 star recruits. She couldn’t lean on that elite college talent and got exposed this season. It was ugly out there 🤣
Mick...We're gonna have to agree to disagree about AR!! Even my scoring % in secondary school was better than AR's % this season (and i was an average player at best!) If i was the skys coach i wouldnt even have her on the bench.( Until she converting at least 75% of layup attempts and her FG% was over 40%!) Shes a lousy player!!
Angel the face of the franchise? Have you been threatened by Sky fans? The problem with the Sky is that they have no face, they have no leadership, no direction.
if she is the future of that franchise, then they are in a world of trouble. I don't see her still playing a year or two from now. Her head and her heart are not in it.
Mick I like your takes on most things but you are totally wrong about Reese. You have not even considered that all these players wanted out because Reese made it a toxic environment. Look at Reese's comments in the press and on her podcast, it is all about her, not the team. Reese can rebound but she never passed because it is all about her. Weatherspoon is not a good person, she was calibrating when her players attacked other players so how do you think she was in the locker room? The question is who do they get to replace her, its a toxic environment and nobody will want to take the coaching job that is good until the Fever situation is resolved.
No chennedy carder or Camilla are the face. Also If I was coach I get rid of CC and AR because they have no self control. Or maybe get rid of AR because she is toxic. If you hear she is a 20 min player and only a rebounded no offense focus or a winning focus.
Kamilla Cardoso seems like she could really shine, in years to come. Lindsey Allen, .. from what I recall, .. a good contribution, .. and everyone else on the team .. this can't be fun, for them.
Angel Reese is like a Dennis Rodman - you cannot have a headcase as the leader of your team. Although I agree that she could be a great player, she needs to mature a lot in addition to working hard on her moves and shots around the basket. The Sky needs to hire someone who can be a strong mentor for her to help her properly manage the attention she and the media has brought to herself, to get her focused on basketball and to knock off the crap on the internet that fuels the WNBA drama. If she wants to be an Internet personality unrelated to the league, she can do that but the stuff that fuels any hate toward Clark or her being a victim of Clark fans needs to stop. Unfortunately, Reese wants to be on the internet and promotes her sexuality, which invites some nutcases. If she does not know how to block or manage that negative attention on the internet, she needs to get off the internet. The Sky’s problems are not over until they address this massive problem they have with Reese.
Juju don’t deserve that 😳sad that they players can pick the team they would like to be in it and see if they take them . Get some offers and do the choosing !
Dude no. Chennedy Carter is fucking good, Angel Reece isn't in the same fucking league as her Jesus...and I don't like them both as their attitude sucks on and off the court. If I had to pick one of them I'm taking Carter hands down, and if you switch Reece to Indiana and Clark to sky....Sky goes to playoffs with the two CCs lol and Indiana finishes last place.....AR isn't the best player at the sky stop saying that she is lol
No good coach is going come in there and run through a "me"player ...get we players ...reese ain't a we player ...force her to be one ...then they would be fine
OMG how can u call #5 ‘on any given day she s …” I m sorry mick but I can subscribe anymore with that type analysis,Reese is horrid won t be in the league in 2-3 years.
It'll come out sooner or later there's more to the story I think the front office found out she had no problem or put up to her players to Target Caitlin Clark that's whatever downfalls and double double stacking we still in the game in a couple games trying to run the double doubles instead of trying to win the game 80% of the figure fouls are targeting were by the Chicago sky 17% was by the WNBA read between the lines another thing her attitude what you do interviews pregame or post game ignorant disrespectful or get up and walk out bye-bye Walmart's hiring
Reese isn’t going to be on the Sky next season. Neither will Carter who is an unrestricted free agent. There’s no way the Sky bring in a rookie pro head coach after gutting their team and entering an obvious rebuilding phase, be ranked 12 preseason and finish 9th after injuries to Williams, Reese, Carter and Cardosa and just miss the playoffs unless they are doing only one thing. Restarting the rebuilding phase. What new coach gets fired during the initial year of a rebuild? Nobody except that guy for the Pistons. They get rid of Mabrey, then T-spoon. Reese is going to another team, probably L.A or the Aces. Carter is an unrestricted free agent. The more I think about it the more obvious it is. With Reese gone the Sky will shoot for Kiki in the draft. Meanwhile, if in L.A, a Reese, Brink, Kackson frontline would be electric. If they added Carter or Mitchell, look out. Same with the Aces. Wilson and Reese on the frontline? Forget about it.
Mick the face of the franchise can't even make a layup for God's sake.
exactly
True, but hear me out: REBOUNDS! 😂
@@ericMT Not really! when 2 out of three of your rebounds are simply catching your missed layup, they lose value.
Definitely something she needs to improve on but that doesn’t take away from the number of other things she does great! That’s why we have off seasons, to work on their games!
@@yngtrey1638But isn't it difficult to train out a series of bad habits, that have had years to develop, without putting in a LOT of time and work into doing so?
They need to hire Swoopes as their head coach. It would be an absolute dumpster fire but like watching a car crash it would be must see tv. I would LOVE to see that happen. 😂
😂😂😂
Hey.. they just may hire her. In this league it would be par for the course.
If they hired Swoopes, at the very least, whenever they play Indiana, there’d be a half dozen flagrants on CC. She’d probably be at the line most of the game.
LIke watching pro wrestling LOL!
I wrote this on other comment sections. PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN. Seeing Swoops trying to cope with AR and the rest of the players would be fun to watch!
You are so delusional when it comes to Angel and her level of play. She gets rebounds but outside of that, she offers nothing
She played at an all star level as a rookie he's not crazy
Facts
she is so bad , she couldnt hit her ass with both hands if she sat on them
@Clipperfan_Tra She is an average player but a great rebounder. She averaged what 13 boards a game. 3 or 4 a game were her own misses
Lol that's true
Face of the Franchise?
I mean, maybe per media standards, but not on-court...
She's not even the best forward on her own team, let alone "top 5 in the league" at her position.
- Ranks last among all forwards at offense.
- Can't defend more than 75% of her matchups anyway.
- Had 2 or 3 good games all year.
55/69 is what her FG% ranks in the league among forwards.
Not top 10 in scoring. Is top 10 in FGAs though.
She leads all forwards in fouls per game, besides Brink. Ranks over top 25 in blocks though.
10th in steals (tied).
So, your "study" of stats is that you're basically able to replace her by every forward in the league except Smith (because she's not trying to be there) and you're saying that she's a "top of her position" or something like that?
Come on... This is a dumb take. Angel's one of the worst players.
Cardoso or Carter should be the face
Mick, you can't speak for Teresa weatherspoon being a good development coach after what she did, force feeding angel while other players' development suffered. I get you always trying to be neutral but you yourself have so many videos complaining about the sky offense being shite because all they do is force feed angel the ball. ain't no way i'd be happy with a coach doing that shit
i've noticed mick has recently gone into full overcompensation mode to try to distance himself from the caitlin clark crazies, and as a result he has become this weird contrarian character when it comes to any critique directed at the sky. he's trying too hard to come off as unbiased.
@@hpavilvery true.. becoming very inconsistent with his takes now
@@hpavil Agreed.
@@dreasdwolfox3435 he sounds like an ESPN hire
@@hpavilagreed
Building a team around a rebounder has never happened since Bill Russell of the Celtics. But he was also the best outlet passer in NBA history, a supreme force on defense, the ultimate team player and most importantly a winner. Before the tip-off he had both teams convinced who was winning the game. Enormous power of will. MJ was like this as well.
Anyways Reese has none of those qualities. Building around Reese prolongs the disaster.
Bill Russell was great because Auerbach, Cousy, Sharman, Heinsohn, Ramsey, Sam Jones, K.C. Jones, Sanders and Havlicek had his back. Otherwise, he would have been a left-handed Dikembe Mutombo without the finger wag.
and he could make layups and dribble the ball.
That's a great summary of who Bill Russell was.
Bill Russell said if you are beating a team don't change what you're doing. Make them prove that they can stop you. Sides must have read that upside down.
There is no fn way any sensible management will keep a coach that allows their personal relationship with one player influence their coaching in game decisions. And that's just one of the many instances of completely unprofessional behavior. This is pure lunacy, just stop it
Not just coaching but GM level decisions by effectively driving Mabrey off the team through her mismanagement
Here here see how the complexion was changing Marbury you made the best move of your career then the Connecticut's come to play them guess what happens the former Chicago player gets targeted by quarter Witherspoon I don't like Carter but if she leaves it's over Reese I'm laughing at you with that Native American weave that you're wearing store bought
Exactly
They really should have taken notes from the Fever. They legit were able to stay off social media, Indie loves the team, and it seems like most ppl are happy with the Fever.
Fax...and reese was the main one on social media she hasn't learned
The look on Kamilla Cardoso’s face during the interview when whatever was going on in that locker room says it all! There’s no control of this team. 🏀
Reese and Carter were probably the ones making noise
You know Angel Reese is your star when the greatest glory you can hope to achieve is to do a better job of "tanking."
Sky lacked discipline and was very unprofessional and spoon was a big part of that.
you know what you right she never said nun about the vets guards shoot up stuff never bench them
If AR is the face of your franchise, you’re in serious trouble. They are a long way from being good.
Can't make a frickin' layup
We all know what happen to drummond and pistons
She was a role player when LSU won the national championship and the next year when she tried to be the leader they LOST to an Iowa team full of 1,2 &3 star players. That says enough about Reese lead teams
Chill. Let her develop over time she’ll be fine. Angel, Kamilla, Chennedy & Lindsey is a solid core
@@chad85100a role player? She was mvp of the tournament… CC just willed Iowa to that win
Dude you keep saying this great player stuff about her. She is an average player at best. The fixation on this average talent being this great player is kinda disturbing.
AR shouldn't be afraid of her own invented haters, but of fans like Mick "The Leprechaun". Because they are the ones who insidiously push her into an absurd pride in her non-existent talent, ultimately could leading to her complete breakdown.
Man I get y’all don’t like her But since when have we ever considered a player average that was an all star their rookie season. That’s straight silly. Her scoring stats might not look great but she does a number of things way above average. If she wasn’t forced to be a scorer her game would look a lot better, wait until she joins a contender team in a few years, she can be an X factor type player, a Draymond Green type player
Witherspoon's diva treatment of AR was the center of the storm. You could tell that the other players resented it. Witherspoon didn't see that or didn't care. Totally appropriate that she got the boot. Now for Christie Sides...
@@yngtrey1638 never lmao they just weird
Fax and dosent give Cardoso credit
When you have a coach laughing about flagrant fouls and not even reprimanding those players, that is not a good coach. Especially when they do it on camera, they didn’t even try to hide their laughter. Developing one player and leaving the other on the bench does not make a development coach. That’s favoritism, especially leaving her out there in garbage time to get a joke of a double-double. Spoon had no control of these players, just go back and listen to the team locker room during interviews.
Coach creates the culture, the team approach to offense and defense, and is responsible for TEAM development. She was a fail in all these areas except team defense. She had to go.
Should've been fired after walking out on those press conferences immediately
The Larry Bird - Magic Johnson narrative is slowly fading to the background as it becomes clear that Caitlin Clark is the true generational phenomenon and Angel Reese is just good rebounder and mediocre WNBA player. There is no rivalry except in AR's head, and perhaps a few ESPN commentators clinging to this nonsense.
You're sorta wrong on this one, Mick. The most capable player on the Sky is not Angel Reese, it's Chennedy Carter. She is, by a country mile, the most versatile player on the team, as she's shown in specific games to be able to be an all-around player with good rebounds, good steals, good passing, and great shooting. They should have rebuilt the team around her, it was a fatal mistake for the Sky to focus on Reese.
She could have been their floor general if they weren't so caught up in the double double bs.
IF she had strong coaching from someone whose favorite word was NOT "aggressive".
If Reese is the face of the team, I understand why so many players want out. Even Carter refused to play alongside Reese.
Damn
I’d say she got fired for having a toxic environment. If no good player wants to stay it says a lot about the leadership
If she’s the face of the franchise, why did Chicago draft her as their second pick and not first?
They had the #3 pick and took her #7
Exactly she plays like she was drafted number 1
Because she posts on socials the most and talks the most
It makes perfect sense. She was bad and was not the future coach for the Sky. Might as well get ride of her now. Why waste time
Cheryl Reeve did not want any part of the AR chaos show. I do not think any coach can control AR. You can either give her everything she wants or you can let her divide the team. The only reason she did not quit on this team is Weatherspoon basically threw games to get AR her stats. Kim Mulkey sent her home. Something that will not happen in this league. My question is would any coach want her now. I am sure coach will but it would be a disaster. I do not like Weatherspoon at all. But I do think she might be able to coach in the right system. Having a Diva as your star player was never going to work.
Fax shes a selfish player
Mick. She’s the reason for weatherspoon being fired. You are not building a team around her.
Yeah, she's a coach killer
Fax
Trade Reese or free Cardoso so she can play for a professional organization.
Go through the list of quality players who have left the Sky in recent years, the most recent being Mabrey, to understand that there is something really wrong with the Sky.
This is no time for the Sky to have a development coach when the WNBA is on the verge of entering a gold rush period.
I believe Reese is a cancer in the locker room and will be traded.
Fax...free Cardoso
I think your missing the big picture. The conduct of the players and coach reprisent the Sky. The organization wants a different image. My final thought is we will probably find out soon that the team is completely dysfunctional in the locker room and Angel is only about Angel and players don't like watching the team only about her and not team
Yep exactly
In any other "company" or "industry" HR would be getting Chennedy Carter mental health support - not encouraging the behavioral problems. Tspoon should have been gone weeks ago.
The problem with Weatherspoon is she had bad leadership skills and bad player development skills. Reese regressed through the season, her shooting got worse. Cardoso should have been the focus in the paint, instead Cardoso played 2nd fiddle and lost a year of development. There are 2 examples of zero player development. Mabrey wanted out in the middle of a season, talk about bad coach leadership skills. Two other players express dissatisfaction right after the season and want out. Dana wanted traded right after Mabrey. Talk about a toxic dysfunctional mess brought about by Reese and her self-centered personality and Weatherspoon's horrible leadership and teaching skills.
Blame Reese. This is on her.?
As good a rebounder (often rebounding her own wild missed shots) as Angel Reese is, she is one of the root problems of Sky is falling.
TSpoon paid the price because she allowed Angel Reese to be the way she is and she lost the locker room. (Do we have to mention Mabrey's request to be traded and now she is playing for the Sun which is rising into the semi final?)
It will be very interesting to see what free agents wants to play with Angel up in the Sky.
Mick AR is an average player. Double doubles aren't hard to get in this league.
A power forward that can't make a layup is the best thing a franchise has!!!!😂😂
I usually agree with you on most of your takes but on this one we disagree. T-Spoon didnt coach like a player coach she coached like an enabler for one or two players on the team at the expense of everyone and everytjing else for what appears to be political not basketball reasons. She is a professional head basketball coach who without exception had the teams worst free throw shooter take all of the technical foul shots until that player secured 10 points to extend a personal stat line. Literally, no other professional coach would do that. She sacrificed the development of the #3 pick who largely sat until the #7 pick had 10 points and 10 reboundsto extend a personal stat line. Two players this season demanded trades, Mabry specifically cited that the team had not priortized winning. There was the audible fight in the locker room between teammates during a post game press conference. Two Chicago players were bullied to tears by their own fan base because they were not part of the "clique." Long before Reece decided to have surgery they were on a 7 game losing streak. I give her credit for taming Chennedy Carter and enabling Reece to push a narrative that a 29% shooter from a foot away that leads the league in missed layups should win any award regardless how many "offfensive" rebounds she collects to a large degree from her own missed shots. If you get 20 offensive rebounds the expection is it translates to 40 points which it didn't so the offensive rebounds were largely meaningless and didnt help the team only her personal stat line and a political narrative. T-Spoon was a disaster way worse than Christy Sides who should also be on her way out the door.
Right on the money!
Word out there is that Swoopes actually is putting her name out there in an attempt to get the Chicago Sky coaching job.
I said it as a joke especially after her one attempt at coaching went so horribly bad. It would be comedy all season long though.
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Mick needs to cover Australian rugby and leave U.S. basketball alone. Dude is out of his league here.
he's from ireland.
@@voguehaven5154 So he should focus on Gaelic Football, the national sport in his country. There are 15 players in one team. The game is a combination of football, volleyball, basketball and rugby, and the aim is to score more goals than your opponent. That basketball..., that's probably why he thinks he is expert.
Found Angel’s burner account
@@voguehaven5154 What -- you got somethin' against Australia?
Rumors have started that the NBA is stepping in to start cleaning up, all the bad publicity that the league is receiving from players and Coaches due to the new media partners and expansion teams coming into the league.. Whether that's true or possible idk.
Hope so
Mick got that the Sky were a disaster early on. But keeping Witherspoon as head coach made no sense at all. She lost the locker room early in the season. When good players don't want to play for your team, even a "player development coach" isn't going to last for long. If Witherspoon's head coach persona is her real persona, let's hope that she gets an assistant job with one of the big 4 so she can wreak havoc on the team that hires her.
Mick Angel & her relationship with Teaspoon is the issue & I know the other players expressed that to ownership in their exit interviews.
You can never play favorites with a rookie & put her above the team. Angels ego is already out of control & Teaspoon feed it instead ok controlling it. The VETS on that team resented her I guarantee you that’s why they are a mess.
That’s another reason why CC is so smart she came in & fit in she accepted bad coaching & she played team ball putting her team above herself. She refused to take credit in wins & took the blame for loses a leader. She refused to take more shots even though she could have. Thats going to change next year she will take 20+ shots a game & no one will say anything about except she improved so much 😂😂
Reese definitely has an ego
I will never forgive Angel Reese for a cheering after her teammate. Courtney Carter tried to permanently injure Caitlin Clark with a violent back check on Caitlin Clark while the Ball wasn't even in Play.
WNBA Fan from SWFL
Grandpa Jimmy 😢
If they had played cardoso instead of angel, the Sky would have been really dangerous. I dont like Camilla as a player only for the reason....SHE IS A BAD ASS..If the fever could snag camilla they would be dangerous..there are many great players. if Clark, Cardoso , Mabrey, Mitchell, Boston, Martin and Sabrina was a team that would be the opposing teams nightmare. Angel lost her fire.
Mhm😊
free Killa Milla... she needs to be on a serious squad
Fax😊
@@MrDiante play with CC? I wouldn't suggest that.. not sure who has other than you
@@MrDiante Indiana is a clown show I definitely wouldn't suggest playing there at this point..
She was fired because she enable Reece to stat pad rather than focusing on winning, she deserved it.
Witherspoon allowed the inmates to run the asylum. Usually I’ll side with you mick but you’re way off on this one. Put these players in a professional setting to see how good they can be. Get the street ball mentality out of the wnba
The only logic that matters is that management did not like the culture she built this season.
I think getting rid of her was a good thing. She may have been good for moral and been liked by some players. But it’s seems pretty clear others were on the opposite end of the spectrum.
I think she was also awful for Reese because she didn’t develop her at all; she just enabled her bad habits and stat padding vs actually playing to her strengths and winning games.
The logic is she took over a team that went to the playoffs 6 years in a row, then ruined the franchise by feeding a player shooting 30% on layups.
Mick. Generally I agree with you on most points. But this coach firing should have been expected by everybody. Coach Weatherspoon got fired because of her Courtside manner and off field attitudes. If I'm the owner of the Sky I would have fired her mid season for her antics. She is not a coach I would want my players to emulate.
I think you have SO over-rated Angel Reese~! She's really not as good as you make her out to be~!
So now what are they gonna promote her for. It sure ain't gonna be rookie of the year. What mvp yeah good luck with that. In 2 years she will be just another body. Over hyped flash in the pan. Cardoza is the true talent.
Yep
And she posting videos of her goin on a plane so she clearly is very egotistical
She will be out of the league by the end of her rookie contract. She is too distracted by outside influences.
Reese is toxic, i dont think other teams will have her and general managers are taking notice of that
@@marcushicks7395 teammates requesting a trade, coach got fired and bogus double2 personal agenda, no team will have reese
I think that's a bit harsh. I am no Reese fan, but she can ball. No, she is not CC22, but then who is? The senior people around Reese should guide her better. She still needs to do a lot of maturing just like CC22 has to. No players in the history of sport have had it as bad as this generation has with social media. Yes, some of the players are quite horrible but I have noticed, many of the fans are not much better. On BOTH sides. Maybe with the correct mentorship Reese can shine in her own right.
@@marcushicks7395you are pathetic. Why does every comment have to be “y’all wyt people”. Show your ignorance often? Everything that does not go your way is due to skin color?? Reese is a good rebounder and AWFUL on offense but is unbelievably selfish on and off the court. This is why all her teammates want to leave HER team.
@@marcushicks7395she a LeBron 2.0
Cardoso is a beast. She is their most valuable asset. Big that is fast and can shoot and shoot FTs. Reese is great, but she is 2 maybe 3 on the team. If Cardoso & Reese swap number of shot attempts, they make the playoffs.
If Reese can develop an offensive game, then she'll be a power house. Otherwise she's a one dimensional player just rebounding. Probably 1/4 to 1/3 of her rebounds are her own misses that she grabs. She's absolutely fantastic at rebounding. The rest of her game needs a lot of work. Maybe she'll put that work in over the off season but she likes attention too much to not play and just hit the gym.
She’s a role player at best who played on stacked college teams with 5 star recruits. She couldn’t lean on that elite college talent and got exposed this season. It was ugly out there 🤣
Box office poison. She can’t shoot from 5 feet in. I am sure that she can practice, but this team is cancer. The coach didn’t seem to be helping.
Mick...We're gonna have to agree to disagree about AR!! Even my scoring % in secondary school was better than AR's % this season (and i was an average player at best!)
If i was the skys coach i wouldnt even have her on the bench.( Until she converting at least 75% of layup attempts and her FG% was over 40%!) Shes a lousy player!!
Angel the face of the franchise? Have you been threatened by Sky fans? The problem with the Sky is that they have no face, they have no leadership, no direction.
Fax
Job 1 is get 5 players that can play together and this train wreck is the opposite of that Kennedy has to go
It couldn't happen to a more deserving team. May they be in the dumpster for years. That team was a culture of bullies.
Angel Reese might be the face of the franchise, but she is no leader,and thats what the team needs.
if she is the future of that franchise, then they are in a world of trouble. I don't see her still playing a year or two from now. Her head and her heart are not in it.
Mick I like your takes on most things but you are totally wrong about Reese. You have not even considered that all these players wanted out because Reese made it a toxic environment. Look at Reese's comments in the press and on her podcast, it is all about her, not the team. Reese can rebound but she never passed because it is all about her. Weatherspoon is not a good person, she was calibrating when her players attacked other players so how do you think she was in the locker room? The question is who do they get to replace her, its a toxic environment and nobody will want to take the coaching job that is good until the Fever situation is resolved.
Theyre not 2 players away. Theyre 5 years away and a full rebuild. Reese isnt good enough to be your best player. Shes just an andre drummond
Just keep the Sky videos coming, Mick- you are an honorary Sky fan 💪
Their franchise player can't make a layup, stands to reason
Mick but the media is saying Barbie is the greatest rookie ever so why can't they win now then?
I think Diana Tarasi retires and Kelsey Mitchell goes to Phoenix
Reese should come off the bench, and she is a main cause for Chicago's problems.
No chennedy carder or Camilla are the face. Also If I was coach I get rid of CC and AR because they have no self control. Or maybe get rid of AR because she is toxic. If you hear she is a 20 min player and only a rebounded no offense focus or a winning focus.
Milk is almost at 50k subscriptions!!! Lets go!!
The city has enough problems.
C'mon dude! She is NOT the face and could easily be trade her
Spoon lost control of.her.team and her toxic behavior flowed down.
They better get a top name coach. Good luck with that.
AR a 22yo rookie. She's only gonna get better. Why all the hate?
Mick ur kidding right Angel Reese isn’t good or good she’s so toxic
Color me shocked a Chicago sports franchise is trash. FeverRising GoPackGo
Kamilla Cardoso seems like she could really shine, in years to come. Lindsey Allen, .. from what I recall, .. a good contribution, .. and everyone else on the team .. this can't be fun, for them.
What the hell are you talking about!?! Reese is the leader, Queen, crap stirrer of the disaster
teams need a dennis rodman type player but you don't build your team around them.
Angel Reese is like a Dennis Rodman - you cannot have a headcase as the leader of your team. Although I agree that she could be a great player, she needs to mature a lot in addition to working hard on her moves and shots around the basket. The Sky needs to hire someone who can be a strong mentor for her to help her properly manage the attention she and the media has brought to herself, to get her focused on basketball and to knock off the crap on the internet that fuels the WNBA drama. If she wants to be an Internet personality unrelated to the league, she can do that but the stuff that fuels any hate toward Clark or her being a victim of Clark fans needs to stop. Unfortunately, Reese wants to be on the internet and promotes her sexuality, which invites some nutcases. If she does not know how to block or manage that negative attention on the internet, she needs to get off the internet. The Sky’s problems are not over until they address this massive problem they have with Reese.
Chicago sky Will be better next season
It will be hard not to be!
Not if they hire another terrible coach
@@IsaacBenton-y4y You beat me to this statement.
Anything would be better than running offense through Reese.
Juju don’t deserve that 😳sad that they players can pick the team they would like to be in it and see if they take them . Get some offers and do the choosing !
Dude no. Chennedy Carter is fucking good, Angel Reece isn't in the same fucking league as her Jesus...and I don't like them both as their attitude sucks on and off the court. If I had to pick one of them I'm taking Carter hands down, and if you switch Reece to Indiana and Clark to sky....Sky goes to playoffs with the two CCs lol and Indiana finishes last place.....AR isn't the best player at the sky stop saying that she is lol
Top 5, Really?
Top Mick "The Leprechaun"'s 5.
He's lying to himself
❤CC22🐐 > Angel McDoble 🍔🍔
Man what have you been smokin what ever it is you need to get off it
A Season on the Brink 2: Chicago Sky's The Limit
Sequel to the 2002 tv movie. Heh
You are a bad judge of things, it was Reeses fault all this happened
No good coach is going come in there and run through a "me"player ...get we players ...reese ain't a we player ...force her to be one ...then they would be fine
Nah they have 3 good things. Angela kamilla and chennedy . You sound foolish saying they have one good thing .
OMG how can u call #5 ‘on any given day she s …” I m sorry mick but I can subscribe anymore with that type analysis,Reese is horrid won t be in the league in 2-3 years.
Bring Izzy to the Fever!
It'll come out sooner or later there's more to the story I think the front office found out she had no problem or put up to her players to Target Caitlin Clark that's whatever downfalls and double double stacking we still in the game in a couple games trying to run the double doubles instead of trying to win the game 80% of the figure fouls are targeting were by the Chicago sky 17% was by the WNBA read between the lines another thing her attitude what you do interviews pregame or post game ignorant disrespectful or get up and walk out bye-bye Walmart's hiring
Why would KM want to leave Indiana?
lol they’ve always been incompetent
Mike chatting shit
And I thought you watch all the games..you haven't been watching Chicago, obviously//
You have use Reese picture to get views😂😂😂😂
Harrison needs to come to Indiana
Reese isn’t going to be on the Sky next season. Neither will Carter who is an unrestricted free agent.
There’s no way the Sky bring in a rookie pro head coach after gutting their team and entering an obvious rebuilding phase, be ranked 12 preseason and finish 9th after injuries to Williams, Reese, Carter and Cardosa and just miss the playoffs unless they are doing only one thing.
Restarting the rebuilding phase. What new coach gets fired during the initial year of a rebuild? Nobody except that guy for the Pistons.
They get rid of Mabrey, then T-spoon. Reese is going to another team, probably L.A or the Aces. Carter is an unrestricted free agent.
The more I think about it the more obvious it is.
With Reese gone the Sky will shoot for Kiki in the draft.
Meanwhile, if in L.A, a Reese, Brink, Kackson frontline would be electric. If they added Carter or Mitchell, look out.
Same with the Aces. Wilson and Reese on the frontline? Forget about it.