Part Six: Vince McMahon, History's Greatest Monster | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part Six: Vince McMahon, History's Greatest Monster | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
We bring the Vince McMahon saga to a bloody conclusion. For now.
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Amazing you did 6 parts on Vince and still could have continued waaaaay past the point you ended it hahaha
And the last thing mentioned was that when Vince ran into the ring pissed off at a screwed up match outcome and blew his quads, this was in 2005 so a lot more has happened since then. Amazing that of all the bastards covered, most have had 2 parts, a couple have had three parts, Vince had 6 and there's still more that could be covered. It could be argued that the length was due to all the wrestling history that was covered as well.
50% was non related banter with the host and guests
I have come back from the future, to warn you...
oh yeah...
there's gonna be more parts to Vinny Mac's Delusional Clown Car Ride.
@@604nation exactly, there's so much padding
@604nation yes, that is one thing quite annoying about this channel.
"Desert Storm tragically ended too early" is one of the wildest sentences I've ever heard.
Things I could imagine H.W. saying
@@John-qv5uxI could see W or Cheney saying this but not HW. He understood that invading Iraq would be a stupid mistake.
Think it’s time for episode 7 now 😂
Ah heck just get Evan and Jason to make a 10 part special for Series 6 of Dark Side.
Yes-agreed
They already called him "History's Greatest Monster" before we found out how truly depraved he really was. What will part seven be called? History's Greatest Monster - Now With More Sex Trafficking and Rape!?
The WWE Hall of Fame is like a hunter's trophy room, full of all the men Vince has helped kill. I understand not wanting your loved one inducted into it, especially after that tragedy.
Long time wrestling fan who just ran into this podcast. Such a tremendous listen, will definitely be checking out your other content. Thank you!
Thanks for listening
I'm kinda hoping for either another series on Vince, or at least addressing the events of 2022 that surfaced involving him.
Even more so today.
And as bad as the angle with Stephanie and the Undertaker was, it could have been worse. A few sources had mentioned that McMahon wanted to involve his daughter and himself in an incest angle but Stephanie vetoed that idea.
wonder where he got that idea from
@@hardlyworking_ I know, I had not known about the shiat with his mother prior to this.
Good for her.
Is the one that ended up becoming Stephanie and Bischoff (wearing a Vince McMahon mask)?
Gods this needs a part 7
Looks like we need a part 7 in light of recent events.
You could do another whole series on this bastard!
Definitely a couple bonus episodes at least.
You could probably do a podcast just about him with detours into chyna etc ;)
It's kinda shocking nobody shot Vince at any point. He's enough of a shitheel that you'd think someone would decide to take it upon themselves at some point.
Brett Hart lamped him backstage, if that counts.
Nailz tried to choke him to death once, though.
@@JackgarPrimeNailz; the hero we needed but not the hero we deserved.
@@whatsoperadoc7050 I would say they shouldn't have stopped him, but I'm imagining it was probably one of his "working" chokes anyway so it didn't actually do anything.
Jim Ross overheard Bill Watts (owner of Mid South Wrestling) talking with another promoter about having Vince killed in 1984 while Jim was in a bathroom stall.
owen hart's accident was totally and complete negligence. it came out in the court case, vince could have hired the same stunt coordinator who does sting in wcw. HOWEVER!!! he was deemed to costly. so they decided to hire a cheap, less experienced stunt guy who used cheaper equipment for owen. if you ever watched sting in wcw, when he descends. it takes him several minutes to unhook himself. why? because he is thoroughly safely secured.
PART 7!!!
Please do more of of these covering VINCE
I got the MASH reference at “Sea of Japan”.
Same here.
Rip Henry
Same!
I thought it was reference to that plane that Soviet Union shot down, which was carrying a politician from USA.
1:37:41 hits different listening to it in 2024
Obviously the focus was on McMahon in wrestling, but I'm surprised you guys didn't cover the XFL just to talk about the ridiculously tense interview Vince did with Bob Costas
Listening to the top of these episodes is giving me unexpected warm fuzzies due to your PDX Diaper bank fundraiser. I do direct service social work with families in the Portland area and regularly utilize that resource for them. ❤
This episode is about to get waaaaay more listens. And you guys still will mostly talk about WWE and not the problematic figure of Vince McMahon.
Just a point of correction, John Cena and Batista botched the finish of the Royal Rumble match, which was why went Vince out. Vince tore one quad getting in the ring, and since he's made of anger and wasps, he tries to walk backstage unassisted and tore the other quad with the exertion.
"...and that man was Vince McMahon...
a man made of anger and wasps...
except for his legs, which are made of noodles..."
Well played, sir.
Vince McMahon: A man of anger and wasps with gnawed up number 2 pencils for legs.
I thought I knew a lot, thanks to Jim Cornette's podcast, but you guys nailed this. Phenomenal job! Thank you.
Yeah he's got a lot of stories but ultimately he was only with Vince for bits and pieces of his life
Cant wait for the next part
Lmao fr smh
I see a sequel coming soon as Vince has another 6 hours of content to be discussed about him easily. The extent of this piece of shit is boundless.
All the parts were more than 6 hours as some parts were more than an hour, hell this last part lasted more than 2 hours. A lot of the earlier stuff was about the wrestling business in general and it's history and it gave me ideas on books to look up for further history.
Since the episode has been uploaded, The Iron Sheik has passed away at 81. Listening to the episode and understanding the 'kayfabe' of wrestling, I looked up a match between Sheik and Hulk. It's really interesting to pinpoint the moves that you can tell are held back and the theatrics of the wrestlers. Thanks Robert!
Edit: Also, crazy to hear Texarkana on my favorite podcast. Wtf.
Also Superstar Billy Graham who passed away in May.
One fun way is to look at their feet. Every time they stomp, they're faking a blow (the stomp is to add percussion to the "whiff").
@@snorpenbass4196 Indeed, also when a wrestler starts bleeding, most of the time if you rewind the tape, you can see the wrestler go into his wristband and pull out a blade and cut his head.
An hour and 4 minutes in. Antlers of lactating deer? A lactating deer CAN NOT have antlers. This is my favorite new snake oil.
Capitalism: Why do the right thing, when you can make money?
There is easily enough Vince news from this year for Part 7.
I look forward to when you get back to this topic. Like you say near the end, theres the kiss my ass club and him tearing his quads. Plus all the stuff with the XFL and i think something about Chyna as well.
On the Bret Hart Shane Michaels dispute. Michaels refused to job to Bret Hart, when he held the title at one time, he temporary retired from the business, saying he lost his smile and vacated the title before. He always refused to lose to Bret. And at the Montreal screwjob, if you saw the original live broadcast, you saw McMahon at ringside yelling at the referee to call for the bell. And the following re-broadcast later that night, as well as in all repeats of this broadcast they showed this scene from a different camera angle so you didn't see what MaMahon was doing at ringside. I can't blame Hart as he always had to lose the belt to Michaels while Michaels always got away with not having to lose the title to him. When Michaels later defended the title against Stone Cold Steve Austin, people were concerned that Michaels would refuse to job, and the Undertaker, Vince's locker room enforcer, went to Michaels and told him he would get hurt if tried to pull any stunts and not drop the belt to Austin.
Quick addition to the quads: It was the Royal Rumble with Batista and John Cena, which you win by throwing people over the top rope. They somehow managed to fuck up the final elimination between the two of them being left and landed outside in perfect sync. Like you could never have managed that on purpose, it's fantastic. That's why Vinnie Mac was so pissed and ran out.
Techically speaking Luger and Bret managed it at the 94 rumble but that one was pre planned
I think we're gonna need six more hours...maybe even twelve.
Need a two hour episode just for the latest lawsuit
Owen Hart's story is still one of the saddest in the industry. I don't watch wrestling anymore, but it was definitely part of my childhood too.
In lieu of recent events,,We need a update 😅
Y'all really oughta pick up where you left off, in light of the lawsuit against Vince that was kinda in the news recently
This was so so good, keep doing what you're doing fellas. Love your work!!
Much Appreciated!
Addendum needed
The Batista Cena double elimination was not planned. Vince coming down was not planned either.
And blowing his quads was certainly not planned.
@@IzzyPR2010 Techically speaking he only blew out one of his quads in the ring. He blew the other one when walking back to the dressing room because he refused to be wheeled out of the arena.
The Doomsday Device story? Bret Hart tells it a little differently.
Apparently Hawk & Animal hit him with the most powder puffy version imaginable. Which only makes Vince swell up & get louder about being tough. So the Hart Foundation hit him with their finisher, for real.
Yep. He stated it in his WWE hall of fame induction speech, for the whole world to hear. Vince made damn sure not to be on camera for that program.
Vince also bought flowers for Owens funeral..arranged to look like a WWF logo. 🤦🏼♂️
Bravo. Wonderful series. I'm not even a wrestling person and I loved this whole thing.
I want a sequel series…so fucking badly
1:56:58 "Why was a real gun in the bullet?" Sorry, but in the despair of the story of Owen Heart, this got me. XD
A lot more has happened since this. We want episode 7!
Jim Ross outright tells a prospective wrestler he needs a bigger chest in Beyond the Mat.
Pat wasn’t gone for a decade, it was a year tops. He was definitely there by 95 because he was back in his old job when Bill Watts was fired after running the wrestling side of the WWF for a couple of months.
Benoit murdered his family and then committed suicide in July 2007, not 2008. Getting the facts right is important.
Yeah, I’m trying to enjoy this podcast but they keep making these errors. Also the mispronouncing of names is driving me insane
@@stingrey1571 The Iron Shaik and Don Muraco, a great 80’s tag team.
Also Benoit didn't look up how to resuscitate a child, he googled a Bible verse where God resurrected a kid. It's a small detail but I feel like Benoit looking up how to resuscitate a kid paints his mental state in a different light
So hey, you know what's interesting here? Interesting about what you're all saying?
Remember the part of this where they're talking about Vince's pathetic and manipulative tactic of trying to throw someone's entire point under the bus by pointing out irrelevant mistakes by saying "looks like your memory isn't so good" after they only mixed up irrelevant details like the name Barry vs the name Larry, when there's a person named Larry right in the room which clearly threw them off? You know, how he was arguing completely unrelated, base-level semantics to manipulate people and distract away from what the actual point is by being irrelevantly pedantic?
Yeah, that is basically all of you right now. Trying to distract from what's being said here, by pedantically pointing out common and basic tiny mistakes and semantics that have nothing to do with the actual point of what's being said, to try and make yourself look smarter than you are, or make yourselves look like you have a point when you have none.
"UHHH AKSHULLEY IT WAS 2007, NO 2008 LIKE SHAAA GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BRO HUHUHUHUH"
Yup. That makes you look so amazing, huh?
Not surprising that more wrestling fans don't know about Pat Patterson, a lot of time and effort goes into burying it. Hell, reddit's r/SquaredCircle is one of the biggest online communities for wrestling fans today and their moderators quietly delete any mention of the Ring Boy Scandal.
It's so tragic seeing people praise him for being a trailblazer on lgbt rights. It's heart wrenching learning what a monster he was, and seeing the high regard people had for him
That's because most credible sources have found that accusations against him were from people deeply homophobic people. Open to having my understanding changed, but I never was able to find anything connecting him to the ring boy scandal.
RIP Henry Blake
The Sheik vs Andre match happened in 1971, not 1969. at 19 minutes in, its mentioned that a member of the Full Blooded Italians (FBI) was repackaged as a terrorist character after 9/11. That is false. Muhammad Hassan (Marc Copani) was never a member of the Full Blooded Italians. He just happened to be Italian. Also, the character did NOT start off as a terrorist character. His promos were about how Arab Americans were also Americans. The audience didn't like that, so the audience treated him as a heel, despite his promos on tolerance. 3 days before the London bombings in 2005, he was part of a terrorist angle. That episode aired on the day of the attack. His character was forced off network tv, never to be seen again, and he was quietly released.
BTB - "1992 was the worst year of Vince's life"
2024 - "it was the worst year so far"
"He was out for a while, but now he's back..." right there at the end. Like... the reason why he was out should have been in this. 100%.
I know you might have been worried about the length of this one, but it was legitimately one of the most hilarious series you've done about terrible people and the things they do. I think it really worked because it was interspersed with decent people like Andre and Jesse.
Oh wow this was… an eerily prescient episode.
Sometimes when you have a business and you want to make money sometimes you must compromise a few other things like employee health, employee safty, employee compensation, Anything as long as its not marketability, stock size, or profit growth.
and child molestation, apparently.
Not a big deal or anything.
I got the MASH reference, still hate how dirty they did him
Brett and Owen are basically saints in my home city, so their stories are some of the only things I knew going into this series, and even knowing about things ahead of time, its still heartbreaking, and the other new stuff that ive learned over the.....indeterminate period of time of these 6 episodes...fk Vince McMahon, the absolute monster.
A bunch of wrestlers shooting corpse juice to beef up is pretty fuckin metal if I do say so myself
“Have someone from Oklahoma play a Texan its fine!”
😡🇨🇱
you guys gotta make a Vince sequel next year
More Vince There is plenty more to go over.
Vince couldnt force it because Brett's contract gave him creative control in the last 3 months of the deal. if Vince would of acted sooner he could of done as he pleased but he dragged his feet and was stuck
Donald Trump factored into this tale a lot less than I was expecting.
Time to do a Part 7.
I can't believe we haven't gotten anything on Vince's very gay tendencies
Are his gay tendencies stronger, than any 80‘s muscleman action films?
Pat Paterson resigned to avoid the company bad publicity(this has been corroborated), didn't get fired, also he was brought back with Tom Cole's blessing. He's always denied the claims. FYI. Vince is still a monster.
Amazing that Vince has somehow after all of these near-misses managed to finally sink his ship
This is in reference to sex trafficking a woman and (among MANY other horrific, violating, degrading, and despicable things things) shitting on her face.
I was expecting a lot from this episode, but I was not expecting satanic s3xual assault live on stage o.O
5:25
Absolutely, Robert!
*Listens to the bit about Vince conceiving a really creepy kidnap/violation storyline involving his IRL daughter* He and Trump are good buddies, you say?
I don't really know anything about wrestling. I don't care much for it, I just hear some of the big names from time to time. And of course, everyone knows Andre just because of the Princess Bride. I just listened because I like this podcast. But fuck dude...this saga is fucking brutal. This is so much more than I ever needed to know about this world in so many more ways than I could have possibly imagined.
About the Bret Hart thing, he'd also offered to lose the title to Mick Foley or Steve Austin, even as soon as the very next night after Survivor Series.
WWE and Vince push this narrative like they HAD to do it, otherwise Hart would take the title to WCW the next night, when Hart was under contract for another couple of weeks.
If he could've shown up on WCW the next night, you can bet that WCW would've had him there. But it was about a month or so before he made an appearance, and it was January before he was legally allowed to have a match rather than just appear on the show.
I'm convinced this was Shawn Michaels idea as he had a history of refusing to lose to Hart, even retiring for a while and vacating the title rather than lose the belt to Hart, saying "he lost his smile".
@@IzzyPR2010 People say that Shawn Michaels greatest rival was Bret Hart, but if Bret Hart was so good, how come damned near all the titles Shawn won he lost to Vacant? :)
I remember Bret getting stomped in ring by DC and Michaels spray painting "WCW" on Bret's chest.
I understood that reference. Henry's death hit so hard. It was just so unnecessary
I heard the creator was just mad that the actor was leaving, so he killed the character off screen.
fun fact about Desert Storm: the Iraqis used nerve agents delivered via artillery twice against US Marines, and then Congress covered it up by calling the Marines in the M93s bad at their jobs. More fun fact: Iraqi armored vehicles were considered such a non-threat that Marines started experimenting with firing TOWs beyond the wire distance. They'd drive up to the max range and then reverse a specific distance before firing the TOW.
Wild series. For some reason the name Vince McMahon sounds just like the guy to do all this bs.
Crazy part is there is so much more. Even before the recent news.
when i was a kid, patterson worked as the booker in the sf bay area
he came up with great storylines and was my fav wrestler
he did a lot for the rock's dad and other wrestlers breaking into the biz
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and he's a pedophile and child molester.
Listening to the Sergeant slaughter audio is legitimately painful. Is this what wrestling was like when I was a kid? Is that what it’s like now? Thank science I went blind, never turning a TV on again.
Not getting any audio
Just you. I'm getting it fine
@@hunterapena thanks I'll try again
Hello I.T., have you tried turning it off and on again?
YOu should do a CHatGPT episode, it uses african slavery to avoid going full nazi and stuff.
I'm neck-deep in the SIXTH episode of this bizarre, fun series... and my wife is very annoyed with me because I refuse to stop speaking in a ridiculous guttural Vince Voice.
This came out too early... ya'll missed the head shitting.
1:03:05 THEY ARE THE DEADPOOLS.
1:52:30 I remember my stepdad telling me he was there when that happened. From his claim, he was not too far from where Owen fell but didn’t see him hit the ground. Said he nearly vomited when he realized what happened.
So he didn't pretend to make bret hit him, he went to bret like a man and told bret because he knew he deserved, ill give you one hit.
The idea for the finish of the match came from jim cornette because vince challenged him to come up with a finish to the shawn bret match. Vince didn't know what to do. However vince wasn't supposed to go to ringside. There was a stretch of time where people weren't completely aware that he was the boss, by going to ringside that brought it out. That night is when Mr. Mcmahon the character was born .
Several people have taken credit for the screw job. hhh and Vince Russo both said it was their idea.
Antlers of lactating deer? Only male deer have antlers so is Vince an idiot or does he think his wrestlers are?
Both sexes of caribou have antlers.
Of course, every now and then you get an antlered doe. It's rare but it happens enough to be a known thing.
Spent too much time on side stories. Funny as they might be, there are soo many sexual allegations to cover for Vince.
Your audio is wayyy too distorted
Each of these is sponsored by diapers...... he fukking knew 😅😂
“They said”
You couldnt bother to mention all the good he's done. And at the end of the day he sold WWE for $9.3 billion, the biggest deal in wrestling of all time.
What good things? And what relevancy is the amount of the sell to the man's character?
@@jamesfutrell9208 make-a-wish, be a star, tribute to the troops in the middle of a war. Personally paying for retired wrestlers surgeries and funerals. And the crowning business achievement of his life by setting his great-great-great-great granchildren up FOR LIFE!
@@thecharlierealzif he paid wrestlers as employees and not independent contractors they could be properly paid and insured and wouldn't need that "generosity".
@@thecharlierealz wow he paid for retired wrestlers surgeries and funerals that he caused, and had to pay for beacuse he underpaid them so badly they couldn't afford it. The tribute to the troops was a distraction which you would know if you watched these episodes. Being a star has no moral weight attached to it, and making 9 billion dollars off the lives of your employees is actively a bad thing.
@@jakepietrzak7552 is it up to you or your company as to how to manage your finances? Its ridiculous to blame employers for what you do with your pay. He also send wrestlers to college, for free. How the hell is tribute to the troops, a yearly thing, a distraction? Im not even going to try and comprehend how holding anti-bullying rallies is an empty gesture. And the point of making profits is to be able to pay your employees and grow your company. Every business is created to be sold at high value.
I'm of the belief that the covering up of a crime is usually worse than the crime, so vince covering up for literal predators is just monstrous
Part 7 coming soon
Wow a MASH reference to kick things off, I dig it.
I checked Mel Phillips wikipedia page, and not only does it not mention the sexual abuse he committed, it doesn't mention him working for the WWE at all
I love this podcast, but for the love of god, you need to start using a compressor to reign in the volume peaks. These funny moments get absolutely shot down when you’ve got three different people screaming a joke into their microphone and I have to rip my headphones off.
Damn. It's hard out here for a foot guy who's just trying to navigate that area as a guy just trying to be understood and loved. Guys like that really *fuck* the game up for guys like me.
By "foot guy", do you mean you're into feet or is there something im not getting here. I'm asking sincerely.
@@RiceShouldBeFluffy Yeah, exactly that. I could have said "foot fetishist" but yeah...
Well at least Tony Atlas would have your back.
I don’t get why foot fetish is the one kink it is okay to shame. I’m not into feet, I even think they’re gross, but I am probably into stuff you think is gross. People need to quit looking for excuses to judge others.
I would've kept that shit to myself
I had no idea how evil and predatory both Vince and Linda are.
The combination of the MASH reference and the guests being turned into Protoss Purifier units made me laugh so hard as an opening to this episode XD
Man your Co-hosts are doing way too many out-of-line jokes during the serious segments. Just constantly interrupting you to throw in some unfunny joke all the time.
I think at one point in the podcast you couldn't even finish 2 sentences before dumb and dumber chimed in.
Hell, you fricking throw in joke after joke while the host tries to tell the audience how a fricking child was molested and later offed himself. They really need some social awareness.