VIVE FLOW - SLEEK VR GLASSES ARE HERE - Can HTC Reclaim The Consumer Market? Unboxing & Impressions!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Vive Flow is HTC's new VR headset for consumers. With this standalone headset they want to appeal to a whole new customer segment: non VR-enthusiasts that would use the headset for well-being and media consumption. But does HTC succeed and do they reclaim the consumer market? Find out in my unboxing and first impressions video!
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What do you think of the Vive Flow? Would that be worth it 500 bucks for you?
Not worth the 500 since the lack of an included controller and internal battery. Though it's really exciting seeing headsets in the formfactor. It's really crazy how small headsets can get using pancake lenses and micro oled.
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I know when you tested the Lynx R1 you experienced more AR demos, however how did the resolution of the vive flow compare to the Lynx R1? Since the 2 devices have the same supposed resolution, I am curious if what you experienced here was the same, better or worse on the Lynx?
The Flow isn't exciting for what it is, but for what it foretells. This flow is too low-powered, has low resolution, and is just not worth the money for what it includes, but FUTURE headsets in this formfactor will be AWESOME! Imagine if the screen was instead a Micro-oled screen? THEN it would have been worth it. The Flow 2 will definitely be worth checking out.
Hell no😭😭😭😭
Definitely an interesting device. but for $500 US, I would have asked for 3 more features. [1] Hand tracking, [2] ability to use as an HMD for PC/steam VR via the USB C cable, and [3] Controller sold separately or usable with others after pairing. Make those changes in the upcoming updates and they'll have me sold.
I really don't get why steamvr connection isn't possible. I would love to use this on pc for flight sim games as it's light, easy to put on etc.
@@amendus It may simply be because they had to announce way too early in an attempt to beat facebook to some big news, which turned out to be a dud anyway. So let's wait and see. I'm hopeful for HTC to continue working on hardware (controllers?) and software for the Flow.
@@BrianPeiris I am hopeful as well. I read somewhere the USB was power only, but that's hard to believe with tech today. Most of my wishlist can be done via updates, so I am hoping for spring to bring a V2.
Maybe virtual desktop will solve the pcvr side of things, but that depends on how good it's wifi is. Personally the USB should of been considered for pcvr. For the price it has to be more than a phone companion for watching video. The cheaper quest can do that too plus play games natively and from pc so why would you buy this for $200 more and not be able to do all that. Great potential but they need to offer more with some updates.
@@haxorcomputerservices Should've or should have.
NOT should of.
You are the man Sebastian thanks for this presentation and initial review of the Vive Flow
Your right about the diopter function, I don’t think I will be buying another headset without this now
I like the fan idea. I added an aftermarket USB fan for my Index and it seems insignificant but it does make a huge difference in cooling when I'm using it.
I like the content you keep bringing. Keep it up!
Awesome premiere! Best vr content for enthusiasts. So hyped about smaller formfactor headsets!
Excellent form factor. Probably one the most compelling aspects of this headset. You can see where it's all heading.
htc needs to add an app like virtual desktop and sell a good pair of controls in an optional bundle.
this headset has a lot of potential as PC headset with an extra function as stand alone private phone screen
The thing doesn't even have a strap
But it is already too expensive before you add all the accessories. And if you don't use your phone you need a separate battery pack. So all that low weight and wireless form factor is lost. And media apps on phones are still not mature enough to be fully featured, with high resolution and decent audio options. Eg Atmos capable phones don't get Atmos sound tracks etc. Here you would need a proper 3d audio codec that copes with head position as well. Is that translation in the headset?
One thing I have been wondering about with regards to these slim VR devices is how they could be used for productivity. I can see two features needed in order to make that a better experience. One is hand tracking so it at least knows something about the position of your hands, the other is some way to mark your physical keyboard and mouse so that the VR cameras know where they are and hence your virtual hands are actually reaching for their physical counterpart keyboard/mouse. I can imagine it could be a very productive environment as you can have as many screens you want around you as well as 3d-models or whatever rocks your boat at a work place. A user has to be able to use his hands to the fullest and needs access to full keyboards too.
HTC has a lot of potential! I'm really looking forward to the 2022 generation of glasses, something is coming.
Don't expect anything from them. I'd rather bet on Valve's next move.
@@sourcecaster Same here. HTC is dead in my eyes.
Interesting! i'll wait for cabria before i'll decide what to purchase
Wow! It can run VRChat?? I wonder how well the controls and performance is
That Looks like a really Good headset. Design is one of the best.
NGL, form wise it looks amazing and well done. I also like that it is light and you can adjust the lenses for those with a bad eyesight like me. As for the PHONE as a controller, well it's Unique I give it that and in the context of being a "general viewing device" it kinda makes sense since it seems HTC is pushing for phone casting and media consumption. I wonder how it would be like to cast emulation? Having a private space to play emulator games would be a good experience. Anyway, it is good for what it is - a general media consumption device and not for a total VR experience. As to price, it will be a deal breaker for many. Anyway, If you are a gamer, there are better choices out there so whether or not you like this device will depend on what kind of VR experience you are looking for.
That looks so cool! The new generation of headsets is just looking promising, especially the lenses and the form factor. I can't wait to the new Project Cambria headset from Oculus, which is said to have about 2700x2700 per eye... and OMG, if you pair that with new amazing lenses technology, oled colors and this small form factor, it will just be mind blowing. The future of VR is looking really good, modern headsets will look so old in a while, just like the first monitors compared to the modern ones.
yep, and as soon as a company other than facebook starts making a similar headset it will be a good day for everyone. its gonna be awesome.
Put an NoloVR packed on this htc flow for 500usd and it wouls be big deal.
I think same as you, these new tiny thin techs are amazing
very true, if you think about how big the first mobile phones were compared to modern day mobile phones as well, I guess it will be the same with VR headsets.
@@socks2441 sadly you'll have to wait a while for that
@@ZedDevStuff yeah, im willing to wait though.
It would be awesome if you could use it like a portable monitor. It has USB C, so you should be able to plug it into a laptop. I have paid more than this for a standalone monitor, I would be absolutely willing to use this as a monitor replacement.
A real monitor would be much better for your eye health
i think vive had really special directin with their next gen vr headset starting from with vive flow, this form factor is insanely amazing, no doubt for sure next gen vr headset will be this small and just like ordinary sunglasses. hope standalone, full tracking device like this will come in the next 10 years.
The new one has hand tracking but it's $1100.....
Missing possibility to use your pc with cable and steam vr. This with hand tracking would improve a lot the usability.
As i see new headsets have started to be released. I am specially interested in deca (already ordered) and i have just seen the varjo aero which is interesting as well but the price level is higher than it should be. @mrtv do you have any info about the final release date of the deca? They are saying 1
Q4 but nothing else
media consumption, people at elderly homes or hospitals.
I recokn it would work great, if they can lay their head back without a strap in the back, and its so light, and if its even got adjustment for limited sight.
but they likely need another interaction then your phone for such usecases.
I do like the looks of it.
looks like they are listening to us about the lenses - pretty sure the vive pro 3 will have aspheric too, and what a different it will make
This would be awesome for in flight entertainment.
I feel like this headset is a peek into VR 3.0. This form factor but with quest 2 power and features would be amazing
these look great, the future is promising
Did the deo and sky box work on that flow?
The new vive headset looks pretty cool
Love the form factor. I'd love to know if it can be connected to a PC, and if so how it works with driving or flying sims. That might be another great use for it.
What HTC should now do is release 6dof controllers with built in cameras.
Great video
I just purchased the Vive Flow, actually I purchased it back in Nov but just got around to setting it up. It took a little while to set up. Most of the set up time was taken on two updates that took aprox 10 minutes each. The other thing that took some time was to keep going back and forth to my phone settings to allow or turn on certain settings that were required with the device to work properly.
It took some time to get used to the phone as a controller, (still working on that) but the clarity and sound was very good. I also noticed some severe limitations in comparison to my Oculus Quest. Other than that I am pretty satisfied. Oh, and I didn't get my case that I was promised. I had to order one at $47.53, (They gave me a $1.47 product discount???) plus $7.17 Tax and $17.00 for freight. Total price for my free case turned out to be $71.70. I believe you mentioned something about not paying over $20.00 for a piece of plastic.
Anyway I am now into it for over $600. To be honest, I am looking forward to having it since I travel a lot for work and it'll be great for those 5 hour plane flights, but knowing what I know so far, (not that much since I spent most of my time to use it, setting it up) I think you can do much better for one third of the price investing in an Oculus Quest. I hope further use of this Vive Flow will prove me wrong, and that they do continue to add Apps, and perfect the Hand movement controls I heard they were working on. Thank you for your review, I found it helpful to further my need to learn about this device. Oh and BTW...You looked just fine wearing the device without any photoshop necessary. Still looks better than when wearing the Quest! Happy VR everyone!
The taxes you payed was to run society not to pay Vive. I'm curious, 1 year later how is it, and did you get the 1 hand remote for $70? Seems like the tech is a lil dated, being a PSVR user only. Idk I have a broken screen Galaxy Fold 2 that I need to get fixed but their site says they only support the 1st galaxy fold....
Can this thing play games like Half Life and can it connect to a PC?
Also does this model have hand tracking yet? I know the new 1 does but it's twice the cost...
It looks great actually. I think if the side arms put pressure on the side of my head, that would bug me. The diopter adjustment is a fantastic idea.
It's a good idea but it doesn't go high enough.
I'm guessing this won't work on pc? I'd like a small form factor VR headset and this looked like it could be it, but it seems it's only made for phones...
200+ viewer in the middel of the night. Not bad!
Thanks for sharing. So it’s a useful gadget if you want to watch Netflix or TH-cam on the go or at home but for any real gaming. It’s not WMR or SteamVR compatible?
Exactly.
I wonder if it is also comfortable for someone with an IPD of 6.9 or wider since there is no IPD adjustment.
Looks cool.
Hey, which vr should I go for it I am mainly a pc gamer? Quest 2, rift s or reverb g2?
They look amazing.
I can't justify the expense, but if they'd used uOled I probably would have gotten a pair for watching immersive Video and whatever else I could find that I enjoyed?
I have guided Tai Chi which would be good on something like this if it had hand tracking?
Guess I will have to wait until someone brings out a decent headset using similar tech?
Does it need to be plug in the whole time?
Did it have the youtube vr app like the go?
It is like an android phone with BT, it should be able to handle some controllers that a Android can use, so Xbox controllers or that cool Steam controller if folk still have it, keyboard and mouse should work, I think it would even be possible to use Oculus controllers if the camera can see the leds and the player hold the hands so the controllers always are in line of site for the cameras. But I think I would like those glasses, I am not so much into fast gaming but rather explore the Earth, and look into VR-worlds, maybe also keep experimenting with a virtual work area that can remote connect to my PC so I can see it on a virtual screen.
Now release a tiny headset like this for pcvr and im SOLD.
Id even pay thousands of bucks for a tiny vr headset thats as good or better than current bulky hmds
Check out the arpara headset, hi res and 200g. Uses nolo tracking tho, but I've read somewhere they're planning on a base station tracked version.
@@hectormclean33 check my last two videos about arpara!
My question is can you cast from your phone to the headset and view it in AR.
I pretty much agree with you. And for this price point we should definitely expect at least hand tracking or even some kind of small controllers.
I really like the design and the lenses you mentioned, but it doesn't offer enough for me to buy it. Hopefully time will bring these kind of entry devices to around $200.
Hopefully, but Vive Cosmos had terrible tracking when it was released in I think 2019 and it has only dropped ~$200.
There is a $70 remote for 1 hand. Not sure if it's worth the price, it seems a little dated, trying to learn more about it
curios if you can mod a htc duluxe audio strap on it, and use lighthouse tracking with controllers for an ultra light weight wireless vr headset
Whoa! No way that VRChat runs on that? If it does I wonder how that would work with controls and such.
This isn't the first VR device of such kind. The first is Huawei VR glass which released couple of years ago. HTC is almost a replica of that device: the same resolution, design (almost), mass, audio. But Huawei had software which was almost impossible to use. I hope this will be better.
Hmm i wonder about using this as a display for the steam deck.
Because that makes alot of sense just not for the cost.
The glasses look a little funny. Why didn’t Vive choose an all glass front?
iPhone incompatibility is a flaw, which will probably be corrected soon.
I wish they bring charging tech , so then games like Eleven Table tennis will be easy to play with light-weighted HMD
Now that the Valve Steam Deck is shipping in greater quantities - do you think headsets like this work as a media viewer? Essentially giving you a giant screen in front of your face (ie nview air)? I'd love your thoughts or tests on hooking these more portable headsets up to the steam deck.
This thing EATS batteries. The resolution and the framerate is overkill for what they are wanting to pair it with. I do love that there is no godrays but I can handle my nreal airs while going down the road no problem
Vr headsets needs to be like this as a size
Of course HTC would make a VR headset that doesn't have controllers. Remember when they were one of the pioneers (obviously with Valves help) of modern VR? Good times.
I would be curious if HTC could use hand tracking with a couple of wristbands (similar to what "CTRL-Labs Neural Wristband" was doing), assuming that the cameras are not up to the jobs, or they just want more precises hand tracking
The new one has full hand tracking without needing to hold or wear anything but it's twice the cost of this
Looks like a really old school sunglass style
it just occurred to me .. perhaps someone will come out with a retrofit kit to replace the Fresnel lenses on a quest 2 with a pancake lense??
If they would allow connecting controllers to it, than I think it would be perfect
long way to go
hallo, arpara 5k vs htc vive flow which picture quality is better or clearer to watch movies?
Honestly i thank you very much for bring the throught the lens and this amazing review and unboxing.
If oculus launchs another oculus go more improved or an quest 2 witout controllers for 200 usd, this htc flow was dead. It is 3 years on past... But the only thing it brings from future is the tiny it is and appears much an normal glass, very thin
that form factor is amazing ! If it had 4k per eye resolution i would buy it
hallo, can u plz tell me witch device is better picture quality and to watch movies? arpara 5k ro htc vive flow?
Form factor is great, if we could get Quest 2 functionality in such a package that would be hugely compelling. I guess that's something like Cambria will turn out.
Which is kind of stupid of HTCs part. This product at 600 with decent controllers could be a FaceBook alternative just in terms of form factor.
LOOKS LIKE BACK TO THE FUTURE PART 2~!
What is the model of the phone you have used in this video?
Thanks for sharing this video! I really enjoy my VIVE Flow and found myself using it more and more daily (more than my Quest 2 since I do media more than gaming). I also like to carry it around by just hanging it on my shirt as you would normal sunglasses.
One thing you missed is that the carrying bottle cap ceiling actually has the mechanics for you to store the cord. Did you notice that?
Finally, I believe there are high chances that we’ll see handtracking of this in the future as it would make the experience a lot more dynamic when you can use two hands to control the experience.
Really appreciate the good work!
Hello Yukai, what are you actually using the Flow for? Only for Netflix?
@@andreasdahn Mostly Netflix, TH-cam, video related stuff. I use my other devices for hardcore gaming, but it’s nice to watch these shows in immersive view while on an Uber, on the bed, or doing a massage. It’s kind of how I usually use an iPad.
Many people ask for controllers and PC streaming, would that be possible?
Vive should've follow Hp and made a headset like reverb G2 with comparable price
How to connect it first starting up too a cellphone?
Man, it's wild how much this channel has grown! I followed you way back in the Google Daydream days; I was actually one of the winners of your Floor Plan giveaway! To see that this channel has gone from that to exclusive previews of upcoming headsets is nothing short of mind-blowing. Thanks for pumping out quality content for all these years, MRTV
HDMI input via USB type C? To allow for laptops and Samsung dex?
Doesn't work on exynos processors. No issue for lucky snapdragon parts of the world but it's a large market to miss
@@runadumb huh, exynos doesn't have hdmi input / display port capability? I heard the flow is XR1 SD
@@cameroncameron6800 the flow is Qualcomm yes but during the presentation they specifically mentioned the flow is not compatible with exynos phones or iPhones.
If this was more at then vr I would literally use that for so much more things, imagine the possibilitys 🙃
Looks great, I would love it BUT I am an iPhone user 😢
I'm fed up with all this new hmd with small FOV, it's time for a real immersion in VR without limit, of course this is just my point of view (I admit that in terms of resolution we have reached the minimum sweet spot)
Yes, and if Oculus announced "high end" HMD have small FOV, it is not really high end. Form factor will be the only advantage. Probably better resolution, but better resolution is expected, even for the low end iterations
Same here. FOV is #1 immersion factor for me. Pimax can't be the only player. Pimax is WARPED, Alex basically hired me before Covid to make 2 free bundle games and a trade show mini-multi game for their Sword and Sword Sense controllers, promising to send hardware to work on and then just ghosted me after I did months of work building the most elaborate Sword game elements and I was even starting to code melee gameplay. Bad mojo.
Yes but remember that a bigger FOV needs a bigger screen which needs more performance, they would have to wait for a new XR chip, or a more powerful alternative since they milked as much performance as possible in the quest 2
Agree completely! I hate small FOV
You remind me of a bee, when wearing the Flow.
why should I buy this and not arpara 5k for watching movies?
It looks very old compared with arpara 5k which you just introduced a few days ago.
No IPD adjustment? I don't think it would work for people with a big head as we also have big IPD's like 75mm.
looks like there is no interpupillary width adjustment on this headset?
I asked HTC support, there is none
will the flow work with a vive controller if you already had one?
Nope
I had a brain fart @6:36 .. thought i paused it lol
It's a shame this can't connect to a PC to play PCVR games. They finally make an amazing HMD and then don't allow people to use it for the one thing they want to use it for.
My exactly thought
I suppose it could be said that if this hmd is wireless... This feature could come in a later update, just like oculus did with virtual link.
@@crooker2 True! Now all we need are actual controllers
@@KiegKillsReality Yup. No controllers is a deal breaker for me. I'll bypass these and wait for the next incarnation. How do you do anything in VR without controllers or hand-tracking? Doesn't even make sense to me.
@@KiegKillsReality There are ways you can use the knuckles with any headset
Please do actually test some content in your review so we can see how some applications run (e.g. vrchat) with available input methods
I don’t understand why they didn’t make optional 6 DOF controllers which could be made for a reasonable price. If they had put IR lights all over the unit then a controller with a camera could be used to track controllers. Even if this was $200-300 more it would beat the price of the focus 3 and be an actual competitor to the quest. From what I’ve seen, they are targeting a different audience and using the product image to seem high quality which make people pay more. It’s the same reason why Payless Shoes can upcharge their price when they put them in an expensive looking store. Maybe the Vive Flow will be seen in a Vive store similar to Apple and also what Oculus wants to do. They can’t get the games, so they are building their own platform based on the hyper casual market which I sort of understand and sort of don’t. They are abandoning their core competencies in favor of new ones in a different market simply because Oculus is being a monopolist. I think that if Vive really wants to survive, they’ll do a 180 at some point. I don’t think they can sustain themselves like this, if they make this headset $1,000 but add everything, they will have a better headset over Oculus. If Vive then buys game studios and produces new games to be exclusive on their platform, they can make a comeback because they’ll have real skin in the game to actually say they’re product is better. Here’s what I say, the Vive Flow has a real competitive advantage over the Quest 2 and the Quest 3 won’t even be properly announced until next year. If Vive works quick they can seize the market by rebranding the Flow for pro gamers. Lets be honest, a super light wireless PCVR headset would be worth $1,000 to gamers, $1,500 even. So if I was Vive, I might partner with steam a bit more to get integration with wireless PCVR faster and better than the Quest 2. This could be the comeback of a lifetime, but only if they get it in their head that they can win.
Can it show 3d content streamed from TH-cam?
Samsung Exynos not supported - so most Euro / UK Samsung phones not supported?
This is just an shower thought here... But I just was thinking of instead of hand tracking why not arm tracking. Sounds stupid I know. But think about it, if you can track your arm your phone controller (or whatever Vive wants to call it.) can be come a 6dof controller.
With that little pouch, I personally wouldn't even bother with the carry case.
and u can always get a plastic jar meant for some food
I have zero interest in the Vive Flow. I am curious which visuals you like better between the Flow and the Arpara 5k?
They need to make a way to connect this to a PC
How does it compare to the Oculus Quest 2?
so these lenses and bigger fov, is it just not possible?
Hi Seb, But there is still a first point that stings: the price. At 549 euros, we are in a fairly high range for a product that is not overflowing with advanced technologies or accessories... to be continued !!!!
5:20 you look lika a fly 😄
wait how are you supposed to play vrchat without controllers?
vrchat has joystick support
Really cool technology. I'm personally looking for a productivity/privacy display to replace my work displays, so I guess I'll have to pass on this one due to software features and the resolution
I had an eye doctor appointment this week. I told him that Apple had a patent and that the Vive Flow is now providing adjustments for eye issues for removing the need for eye doctors with respects to glasses etc… He didnt look well after that…. Lol…
He still has about a decade before it becomes a 100% main stream at least lmao
If only it can PCVR
+ Form factor
- everything else
Very similar to Samsung Gear VR is my impression.
Never before has there been an hmd that more desperately cried out for finch controller support. The Finch ring is practically designed for this thing. And they already have a marketing partnership with vive. One little software driver is all it would take to make this a slam dunk.
The bulk of a phone just ruins this.
had never even heard of the finch controllers until your comment. but so far I can't find any product videos other than from the company (which sits at 5000 views), is it an actual product that got made?
@@legendp2011 So far they are only selling to enterprise customers. The Lynx R1 dev team has stated that they will be the controllers of choice on release, so I am assuming they know something I don't.
Looks lik a sky mask :-)
Looks like they tried to make it look like a pair of aviators but it doesn't work. I think they should have gone for more of a scifi visor look.
the vive flow is no good for most people. but it is the beginning of true gen 2 headsets. nothing has been worth upgrading from my old cheap wmr headset. but soon there will be.