'Jinnah to Blame for Repeated Military Takeovers, Pakistan's Failure to Become a Credible Democracy'
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- In an interview that is likely to infuriate his countrymen in Pakistan whilst being warmly welcomed in India, one of Pakistan’s foremost political scientists, Ishtiaq Ahmed, has bluntly said that Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, is primarily to blame for the fact Pakistan has failed to become a credible democracy and has, instead, suffered from either repeated episodes of outright military dictatorship along with decades of behind the scenes effective military control.
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Karan interrupted and stopped further discussion when ishtiaq sir explaining their personal laws reformed better than India. We know who will get blamed for this in India. Seems this discussion is to elevate Nehru rule than knowing failed democracy in Pakistan 😅.
he always does that…
That’s why Pranav Mukherjee disciplined him on BBC
Karan, you are a respectful journalist. Please wait for the speaker to finish what he is saying before asking the next question or commenting. These are fundamentals that you should know.
Bang on!! The precise reason for not watching and listening to these interviews, at least he has stopped shouting - he has plenty of company though - Arnab, Barkha, Raghav, Rajdeep - total failures IMO!!
Yes, he has this dirty habit. I watch only to hear guest and not host.
@@abhijeetdeshpande8925 Credibility of media has gone down in the last 20 years for sure... only a few are capable of understanding the impact of policy level decisions....the citizens are the losers, the loss, if we had got our policy level decisions right, we would have been close to $5 Trillion economy... Politics is the bane of Economics!! A rant from someone who is passionate about the development of the country!
Impatience with ageing.
Karan is right in his way of dealing with interviewed.
India is secular and democratic due to Hinduism
secularism is imposed on us by this khangress party
First time Karan owned his Father in any show, I guess. He should discuss his father's role ( Positive and Negative) in managing 1962 Chinese crisis...
Sir ji interviewer should have asked small questions.Long high sounding questions distract listeners.Patience of Ishtiaq Sahib is great.
Understanding partition and Jinnah without considering Allama Mashriqi's insights is like a puzzle missing a vital piece. His perspective adds depth to the narrative, unveiling hidden dimensions crucial for a comprehensive understanding. To ignore Mashriqi's viewpoint is to overlook a significant chapter in history's story.
Dr Ahmed began answering each question clearly and in simple language everyone can understand, I didn't see the need to interrupt him with a "In other words you're saying..." and not letting him speak beyond 1-2 sentences. I know many people like me don't care much for interviews where the interviewer does 60-70% of the speaking.
It doesn't seem like an interview but a "speak what I tell you to" session with Karan. The issue with Karan is that, first of all, he always invites people who are ideologically aligned with him, and for the few times where we get learned scholars like Prof Ishtiaq, the interview is filled with Karan throwing his words in Prof Ishtiaq's mouth instead of letting him articulate in his own language.
Just a suggestion, this is an online portal you have ample time and slots and are not limited to TV-based airtime, why not start a separate series of Karan's reviews on any ongoing issue, and people more interested in listening to his analysis will directly go there. Let this be an interview and not an overwhelming session of an over-enthusiastic interviewer consuming all the time providing his own opinion instead of letting the interviewee express it.
Great to see people who can see behind the biases. Thank you
Understanding partition and Jinnah without considering Allama Mashriqi's insights is like a puzzle missing a vital piece. His perspective adds depth to the narrative, unveiling hidden dimensions crucial for a comprehensive understanding. To ignore Mashriqi's viewpoint is to overlook a significant chapter in history's story.
The success of DEMOCRACY in India and failure of DEMOCRACY taking root in Pakistan is very well explained.Both Prof.Ishtiak Ahamed,s replies and explanation very well made and Mr.Thapar,s questions were illuminating deep 🎉🎉
Nonsense.
Pakistan military is a political party and has selected every PM
@@bravewarrior1218 Bingo! According to an ex-advisor to Imran Khan, the previous Pakistan army chief Bajwa said this exact same thing, that he has 40 years of political experience in the army, compared to IK who only had 25. So the Pak army thinks of themselves as a political party, and they win every single election, while losing every single war! 😀.
Haha success and what abt .....
Attitude of the Hindu interviewer enlightened with hindutva
In Pakistan General Election means the General elects whoever they select.
25:30 The Host is taken aback by the guest’s comparison of persistent regressive muslim personal laws in India, with what Ayub Khan did away in early 60’s in Pak.
But the great scholar commentators will not realise this
Let's see how much our desi Muslims agree with the Wire when it talks about them.
Why worry abt the poor desis. Keep up ur GREAT WORK
Jinnah died seventy-eight years ago in 1948. It is little short oh insanity to blame him for the political developments that have taken place since then and not his unworthy successors.
Yes Karan Thapar you are very right that most of the people who came to power after the creation of Pakistan had their heart in prepartition India. Even today Zia, Bajwa and now Asim Munir have their roots in the Indian part and they never wanted to share power with real sons of the soil. When they saw they wre not accepted by mainland Pakistanis they started hobnobbing with fuedal lords who exploited the poor and these guys enginneered their control.
Ab Allah ke karam se mile Hain Nawaz Sharif...
Prof Ishtiaq Ji, appreciate your fearless straight talk! 👏
Mr Thapar, You must make a video on the reasons your dad as the General of the Indian Army failed miserably in defending the borders during the 1962 war imposed on India by China. The people of India would be interested in knowing that.
If only Mr. Tapar could not interfere and keep cutting Ishtiaq sb off.
Jinnah was the first dictator of Pakistan. He stupidly gave his first speech in Dhaka that split with East and West. Had he not been GG, millions of people would not have been slaughtered. He is the one who divided Muslims into 3 parts. He gave a confused ideology. Facts.
VERY TRUE AND HE WAS GUJRATI WHO HATED "PUNJAB".
It's good though he reduced the power of Muslims in Indian subcontinent and specially India. Because of him hindus got back many cities which were occupied by the Muslims. Like Ajmer, Delhi, hyderabad, lucknow, ayodhya, etc.
@@pipipupu5104 THEY WERE ALL YOUR "RUKH RUKAO" PEOPLE, WHO LICKED FIRST INVADERS FROM CENTRAL ASIA AND THEN BRITISH, WE AS PUNJABI DEFENDED INDIA. AS GUJRATIES CANNOT FIGHT BUT "SNEAK" BEHIND AND ATTACK. WHAT IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH PUNJAB? MOST PROGRESSIVE STATE OF INDIA.
@@user-ln6cc4rf5z what does rukh rukhao means first of all? Huh and second thing large part of Pakistan is also punjab right? What about that second. Even the sikhs also favoured the British after their defeat they essentially admitted in British Indian Army they were involved in massive killings during revolt of 1857 what about that.? How else do you think the jatts have so much of land area..
Karan has started his old habit of interrupting the speaker before he can complete his statement. This interview is unnecessarily prolonged due to Karan's interruptions
Jinnah never wanted to have any vision for Pakistan as he never believed in Islam in its true sense and thus his idea of forming an Islamic nation was self contradictory.
What is "true Islam"? Shia? Sunni? Ahmadi? This is an imaginary liberal idea for which there is no definition or example country
.... " Islam in its true sense"..... Since you have certified yourself to pass judgment on Jinhan's disinterest in this.... You must be capable of perfectly defining what is Islam in its true sense. Can you educate us what is your expertise on defining Islam in the true sense is? Is it based on a deep study of reading the entire Madina Quran and Bukhari hadiths? Pl educate us.
@@nv9991😂😂😂by mentioning Medina Qur'an bukhari hadeeth you tried to show you know so much lol😂
@@WWTTYY True Islam was when prophet Muhammad and his companions ruled the arab Peninsula and Islam was all over and it saw its ups and downs . You may agree or not agree whether it was good or bad but intention to rule by the laws of Islam was there but when it came to Jinnah , the main leader was far away from being a good ordinary muslim himself nor he had simple knowledge how to offer namaaz which even a simple vegetable vendor knows , it's like having a hindu rashtra whose leader eats beef .
Thus creation of Pakistan as an Islamic country was doomed right from the very beginning. This country was created by liberal pro British elite muslims in the name of Islam and they were able to fool a large chunk of ordinary muslims thanks to radical hindutva groups who helped Jinnah scare the muslim masses and side lining muslim scholars like maulana Azad.
The ones who knew islam quite well opposed creation of
Pakistan and the ones who knew nothing wanted a separate muslim nation.
@@Indianman536 7th century laws cannot be used to govern a 21st century state, that way Taliban ruled Afghanistan is an Islamic state
Thanks to Jinnah for separating that poison filled fang from India
Jinnah is te saviour of India. Otherwise we would be have been worse than Africa.
@@adma7298 true
Karan Thapar be like- Although it's your interview, in reality, it's my time to convey my opinion & yours as well
Good interview. But, for god’s sake Karan, please let him complete the sentences. He speaks plain English which we understand very well. Summing up with 5 sentences for every one sentence of your guest isn’t helping. Second, he’s a guest and we don’t need to add adjectives after adjectives to Pakistan’s leaders to a point of cringe. You could’ve been a bit more magnanimous actually. Otherwise all good.
Thanks Pakistan Army for making our election very dramtic and entertaining 😮
Ab Allah ke karam se mile Hain Nawaz Sharif..
Jinnah had no vision because Jinnah was following a mission - His Master's Voice...
Ab Allah ke karam se mile Hain Nawaz Sharif...
Jinnah was only serving the Britishers. It is gathered from various sources that Jinnah despite being a good English law Expert, but not a true Statesman.
Which sources. I can quote sources of the great nehru's mistress and the privilege from but that is a normal great shining idia.
And what he did to his sister
A discussion about the differences between India and Pakistan without any reference to the character of their role models!! Because… secularism!!
Jinnah helped india by diving the country but our congress foolishly allowed Muslims to stay who actually voted for Pakistan but stayed in india
Basically, it is the difference in preachings in Islam and Hinduism (or Sanatan dharm) that is at the root. Forget about why there is failure of democracy in Pak. The fact is that democracy is practically non-existent in most of the Islamic world.
Karan, with all due respect sir why you have to always sum up and paraphrase everything that Dr Ishtiaq ahmed says, he speaks way better English for common people to understand , by paraphrasing everything it seems like you want to hear what you like to hear and not open to the discussion in a rational way
सारॆ पाखिस्तानी और सुउर करन थापर कॆ शॊ पर ही क्यॊ आतॆ है ?
11:56
"The Muslim League Movement which won the 1946-47 elections was rabidly communal." .... Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed.
In these elections the Muslim League won about 95% vote. Yet, out of approximately 3.5 crore muslims, only about 75 lakhs went to Pakistan. Instead of pleading with muslims to stay back in India and thereafter giving them a privileged community status, why did Nehru and Gandhi not ensure that all these "Radidly Communal" people go to Pakistan?
Dr. Ambedkar, one of the wisest leaders of India has stated that partition cannot be completed without 100% exchange of population.
Time for Karan Thapar to retire due to bad performance at the "job of interviewing". Such retirees should speak to the mirror.
Karan Thapar is nicely cutting an important point that Ahmed ji was telling about getting away with regressive Islamic laws 25:37
It is worth asking if Islam is at odds with the concept of democracy. I am reminded of a speech by Javed Akthar in Rajya Sabha where he said, if you were to travel westwards from India, you have to go all the way to Israel to see a truly democratic nation. So why aren't there more muslim majority multi-cultural democracies to the west of India? Turkey is the probably the only exception, and you can thank Ataturk for it.
Indonesia and Myanmar. but Turkey is not democracy at all. Just check out how many journalists have been jailed. Their election is pretty rigged by Ertogan. But yes turkey's people are pretty liberal coz of Ataturk. They hate Arab culture imposition a lot. That's why u would see hijab fight and fights over Arabic hoardings and hijabs a lot.
How can Pakistan fundamentally change? It cannot. It was formed, based on religion.
Now india is on the same path
@@ASHOK251058 it can never be
@@shankariyer8378 Hope so. but chances are there.
@@ASHOK251058 there is no chance because of the constitution
@@donjames7678 constitution is going to be thrown away. mumkin hai
In a volte face, former senior bureaucrat Liaquat Ali Chattha who alleged that 13 candidates from Rawalpindi were forcefully declared winners in elections withdraws his allegations & says he is 'extremely ashamed' over his claims.
Ex-Pakistani bureaucrat retracts poll rigging allegations, claims PTI promised him 'lucrative positions'
In a surprising turn of events, former Pakistani bureaucrat Liaquat Ali Chattha who leveled accusations that the country's general elections were rigged retracted all his claims saying that he made the statements after "lucrative" promises made by former PM Imran Khan's PTI party.
However, now, in a letter addressed to the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) Chattha retracted his statements and revealed that his accusations were made after Imran Khan's Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party promised him lucrative positions in exchange for supporting their narrative of election rigging and maligning state institutions.
According to Chattha, a PTI leader had approached him after the February 8 elections, offering him favourable positions. He confessed to being swayed by the offer, especially considering his impending retirement after 32 years of civil service.
The former bureaucrat admitted that the proposal initially involved submitting a written resignation containing the fabricated narrative, but it was later decided to stage a press conference to amplify the false claims. The aim, as Chattha revealed, was to create sensationalism and drama.
"It was in this meeting, that he made an offer to me that if I play a role in supporting the PTI's ongoing narrative of rigging in elections and maligning state institutions, he would ensure a lucrative position for me in future," Chattha said.
This proposal was made by the said individual in consideration of the fact that I was about to retire from service. He was also aware of the fact that I was under pressure due to this forthcoming retirement. After having remained a part of the services for 32 years, it is naturally hard for any civil servant to let go of all perks, privileges, and authorities," he added.
Indicating that the plan was also approved by PTI's top leadership, he said, "Initially, it was proposed by me that I would write the entire narrative and submit the same as part of my resignation. However, this proposal was dropped by the said prominent PTI leader as such written resignation would not create any sensations for their narrative building."
He mentioned that the PTI leadership instructed him to name Chief Justice Qazi Faez Isa and Chief Election Commissioner Sikander Sultan Raja to further their agenda of creating mistrust in the electoral process.
Reacting to Chattha's retraction, the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) accused the PTI of attempting to manipulate the elections and tarnishing Pakistan's image.
"In the end, I feel extremely ashamed and embarrassed for making totally false, concocted, anti-state, and malicious statement in the press conference. This activity caused embarrassment for me as well as for the entire bureaucratic fraternity," Chattha added.
Jinnah was never a patriotic but an agent
Even being a Muslim from Pakistan
I don’t agree the fact that one can break the country for any possible reason
Chronology of Partition of India
1. Census of India in 1871 (by Britisher)
2. Separate/Communal Electorate in1909 (by Britisher)
3. Lahore Resolution in 1940 (by Britisher)
If you keep blaming the dead, no solutions can be found for the living in misery.
Muhammad Ali Jinnah had no idea of so many Traitors in the Army. He passed away One Year after Pakistan became a Country.
Because Jennah was working on behalf of English and thats why he doesn't have any version and he was sick old men and punjabi elite with their army killed him to take over this vissionless country and elite gived him the vission of Islamic theology..they knew that this the only common thing the children of this forced marriage have the provenances .
Thappar is a genius at rhetorical questions ! He has mastered it well!
Prof Ahmed makes a very valid and nuanced point. Great discussion!
Nensense.
Today's program was unique! An avowed Anti India paid journo with a Pakistani who speaks with a forked tongue. Ishtiaq says pro India words when he is being hosted by Indians. He is a Muslim masquerading as a socialist. He justified Hamas hostage taking on 07.10. He refuses to condemn Islamic Jihad in Kashmir - I personally gave him proof of what happened with Kashmiri Pandits. Good combination.
Ishtiaq Ahmed is not residing in Pakistan. He didn't voted. Karan Thapar must interview the common Pakistani who reside there. Voted in elections and will suffer from the decisions of the Pakistani establishment. This professor is residing in Sweden and is far away from the ground realities of Pakistan.
I reside in Pakistan, whatever he said is 100% correct.
@@muhammadsohaibtariq3087 if it's so then I believe you. Because only wearer know where the shoe is pinching.
@@AshishTiwari-sl4juMe too from Pakistan. What he said is more then true.
Thappars problem is he has to repeat what the other person says but makes it his own spin. He likes to hear his own voice.
Thapar should let the interviewee speak, not cut him all the time.
Karan, please stop interrupting your guests just because they don't give you the answer you want. These are intellectuals who have a lot to share.
Mr Istiaq you underestimate Imran Khan that very poor of your vision on Pakistani Youth!
Pakistani are very open minded and always welcome our brothers from India...
It's accurate to say that an entire Corrupt Military Pakistan Generals acts in a unified way based on the directions of USA. In both nations, there are mechanisms in place to do corruption by Corrupt Military Pakistani Generals and allegations should be investigated through proper channels to ensure justice and accountability.Pakistan Corrupt army Generals have raised serious doubts about their ability to lead our armed forces effectively. It is evident that the morale of the troops has been negatively affected, and public trust in the army's leadership is at stake.
Ab Allah ke karam se mile Hain Nawaz Sharif....
We are a mess,our lives,our future uncertain.
True ! Very True ! Jinnah's demands of population exchange must been accepted by Nehru and Gandhi. At least 76 years later, learn now - do the population exchange PRONTO !!!
Ab Allah ke karam se mile Hain Nawaz Sharif.
I think that Mr. Thapar, being an intelligent & critical journalist, should have the audacity to ask the last question (which I was sure it would be but he skirted) that looking at the traversed fallacies of religion based politics of Pakistan, should India take a lesson from it ?
necessary question for us to understand
Prof Ahmed did talk about this in his earlier interviews. If we emulate Pakistan, we are sure to go that way,
No hindusim doesn't bode nearly as disastorous as Islam. So, india gravitating towards Hinduism/Hindutva is a course correction. The two religions are different in how one is for the other.
@@srinisbir8781 That's the argument every religious fanatic argue. Here, this statement itself is a proof that making a constitution as religious constitution will lead to destruction of democracy.
Every religious fanatics argue that my religion is better than other religion. Anyone can take any religion and point out the backwardness in it.
In this note, Buddhism flourished once on this land, why not bring back and make India Buddhist constitution, Buddhism is was better than Brahminism
@@North_Lights Buddhism is also sanatan according to dalai lama.
Hindu rashtra doesn't mean that every other religion is inferior as is the case with abrahamic religions. Infact, there was no religion named 'hinduism' until europeans named it. The term 'hind' was used by persians. If you research about the origin of the word 'secularism' you'll find out that it was originated in the west because Christians considered others inferiors and the concept of democracy was also new to them but in sanatan(hinduism, sikhism, buddhism, jainism) everyone is treated equally and that's why babasaheb didn't include the word 'secular' in our constitution but indira gandhi did it to please muslims. I dont have any problem with buddhist rashtra either except maybe extreme peaceful nature which destroyed mongolia but rest is fine.
With every word, the professor is slapping Karan Thapar. His far left woke pro nehru stand being demolished. Such a disgrace to journalism this man is. One more decade and well be rid of these dishonest journalists.
Dr Ahmed is a great analyst.
तॊ जा ना उसकॆ पीछॆ-पीछॆ, पखानास्तान |
the interruption by anchor, especially when the participant says things that is not pleasing to anchor is very disappointing. It's good to note that Ayub Khan did social reform that so called secular Nehru failed to do, who, despite claiming to be secular passed civil laws based on religion.
Partition was not because of Jinnah or Gandhi.It was British 100 year vision, Pakistan was given 33% of the army Nehru and other Indian leaders don’t want part of India now Pakistan because of its latent defects.
There are no linching are killing of Hindus in Pakistan. Only temple wad destroyed in Pakistan, but rebuild by government. Compare that to animosity against Muslims and destruction of musjids in India.
Big fan of Karan, but please let Professor Ahmed complete his sentences. Rather than summing up his premise, better if he asked actual questions and counter his arguments.
Excellent Analys of this Genralistan .
Was it not on the premise that Islam and Hinduism were two-nations, declared first by Sayyad Ahmed Khan in 1889 that the Muslim League and Jinnah had achieved creation of Pakistan?
Therefore, democracy is incompatible for Pakistan and theology was congenital.
Then, why waste time on democratic pretensions?
@@pacific5174 you mean otherwise Pak would have been democratic. It is as foolish as to say only those tigers, hand in glove with British would be predatory. The rest would be democratic.
@@pacific5174 those who had read Khan's speeches must be in the know that his was very clear and lucid in his addresses. Actually he alerts the Muslim brethren what if Congress's, formed just 2 yrs earlier, call for full independence comes thru. He warns the Muslims that if British leave you would be ruled by kaffirs. Hence two nation theory. It doesn't require British to teach a Muslim that the Hindus are kaffirs.
Indian Media's "Unhealthy obsession" with Pakistan continues.
@10:10.
Karan: You're saying something very profound.
Dr. Ishtiaq: Because I am a political scientist and not just a journalist.
I feel by this point Dr. Ishtiaq had had enough of Mr. Thapar's constant interruptions.
Quite an interesting and engrossing interview . Keep it up 👏🏽
Missed a great opportunity to listen to Mr. Ishtiaq due to interviewer unfortunately
Great Interview.
For once, Karan DID NOT bad mouth Modi 😆
It was because of the militarisation of the economically dominant province of Punjab, which is the single most dominant province and the center of Pakistan. Please read Prof. Tan Tai Yong's book The Garrison State, published way before Prof. Ishtiak's book. Prof. Ishtiak has completely minimized and ignored the Punjabi elite's role in inculcating a culture that accepts and depends on military interference in all state institutions.
Brilliant interview. Thank you for doing this.
Excellent interview. Both brilliant
The CJP took away the PTI election symbol, also he approved the staff from beurocracy instead of judiciary to oversee the polling
Ab Allah ke karam se mile Hain Nawaz Sharif..
Shame on the Pakistan military establishment and the corrupt politicians who looted Pakistan
Ab Allah ke karam se mile Hain Nawaz Sharif....
All Indians should be grateful to jinnah for saving us 😂
(Reducing Corruption) I challenge Transparency International that Transparency International's report on corruption in Pakistan is based on lies?
Judiciary is corrupt and is providing protection to every wrongdoing and corruption.
With this corrupt judiciary, the economy can never recover.
Corrupt institutions are making the situation worse in Pakistan.
#anticorruption
Mr jinnah was a British trained alcohol consuming and prohibited meat eating Ismaili shia trying to govern a non urdu speaking sunni population who were forced to speak an imported language
What could go wrong?
Allah will take care of Pakistan. Allah willing!
Urdu has been a significant part of Islamic identity in the subcontinent, while one’s mother tongue is often linked to cultural identity. When local languages were replaced by Urdu, it inadvertently distanced people from their cultural roots, replacing it with an Islamic identity. Consequently, to find purpose in their lives, they establish ancestral connections with those who introduced them to Islam, often through forceful means.
Since they feel disconnected from their roots in the subcontinent, they are constantly in search of a political structure like the Ummah or a Caliphate, where they might be subjects, despite the system’s imperfections. This is seen as a testing ground, and the fear of eternal damnation often leads many to adhere to the tenets of Islam, regardless of how harsh they may seem. It’s interesting to note that when Muslims renounce their faith, they often develop a newfound appreciation for their homeland
The professor has brought out the nuances with clarity while answering g the loaded and blunt questions
Imraan i believe is paying for his sins of cricket playing days. He was part of a Pakistan cricket team which played with 13 players. He benifired from the same. A play boy has turned momin.
The real answer for the your question is that why, after independence, the leaders of India and of Pakistan, especially the military setup of both countries, tread different directions is vitally played out by the religions. India and its whole independence was spearheaded by mainly Hindus who were seeking a democratic ruling systems whereas Muslims were only after their region so were the Sikhs. Wherever you go , whatever interpretation you try to saturate, the ultimate answer is the region and what it makes you up.
Excellent conversation ❤️❤️❤️ nothing but facts ❤️❤️❤️
Excellent candid insightful sincerely honest
In Pakistan political parties are selected by US and US orders Pak Army to get them elected and Pakistan Army manages the election through ISI and MI.
SEARCH FOR PEACE,
DOCTOR ISHTIAQ AHMAD,
ZINDABAAD
Excellent talk ! Thanks Mr Thapar. Will our so-called 'Hindu Rastra' seekers take a lesson from such an important discussion?
Yes, the lessons r Secularization of Izlam, reformation of Muzlim society, fighting political Izlam tooth n nail, Izlam being incompatible with democracy/modern Nation states/liberal world order and the most important - Unless Muzlim socio-politics stops projecting Muzlim nationalism even in post partition India, a counter politico-religious movement is inevitable (and justified)
Sir, I'm my opinion it was not civil war in East Pakistan but it was Genocide by Pakistan Army. I am Pakistani.
Mr Ahmad is an intelligent person, I keep listening to him . He will say spade a spade
Very gopd Point raised by Pakistan.
Democracy didn't take root in Pakistan because the Muhajjirs ___ who are strangers in new Pakistan, they didn't fit anywhere , had NO Local LOYALTY and they ahd good alliance with Punjab, Sindh Feudal Class, Islamists and even Army --- have all Colluded with each other to Preserv their Status Quo ans Oppose Democracy, impose Dictatorship.
Mostly its the Muhajjirs who faced rhe most insecurity like Jinnah and didnt trust locals .
Excellent and quality scholarly discussion.
Woud have been interesting to know how ataturk managed to create a create a secular turkey (till Erdoğan came along) but why gen ayub khan wasnt able to do the same in pakistan
Ataturk had enough people's support. Ayub had none
Aren't we aspiring to be a Hindu state? Then our fate would be similar to that of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
SALUTE TO A BRAVE AND FEARLESS JOURNALIST.
Completely disagree. If it wasn't for Mr. Jinnah Pakistani Muslims would be suffering under a hostile Hindu regime just like their Indian counterparts.
Please complete population exchange and implement Do Quomi Nazariya in its entirety. Thanks
Karan ji Really insighful
Finality of the prophet is the grand narrative which has impeded Pakistan from emerging as a democratic country- Prof. I. Ahmed has identified the core issue confronting Pakistan. its a pleasure to listen to this kind of talk.
Karan Thapar did his homework well. Prof Ahmed is a lucid historian and he is explaining the tragedy of Pakistan in many parts of India during his visits. Prof Surender Bhutani in Warsaw (Poland)
Same is happening in India now in Modi times in different ways .Now Indian is fundamentally Hindu state not for Muslims.Sorry to listen Muhammad Ali Jinnah never like these British trained generals but these got strong hold with help of British establishments.
What about the outsiders like US, UK, and terrorists???
In future in India will be heading towards same kind of political process
I don’t know how was he able to get his PhD if he failed to address the elephant in the room: Two major points:
#1. Prof failed to address international factors, ( i.e US pressure to topple govts and Support for puppet govt by Army). #2. Pakistan was created in rush, because Jinnah foresee what’s going on in India. Discrimination against Muslims. It wasn’t created to be secular democracy but as an Islamic republic.
Just because he in his short visit to India get to have good time doesn’t mean that’s how the average Muslim of India is treated.
Karan! Ask Momota & do an interview on Dandeshkhali.
Nonsensical. Mr Ahmed and Mr. Karan Thapar would be well advised to analyse Mr. Jinnah’s address to his 1st. Constituent Assembly on 11th.August, 1947.