A Difference of Perspective (Part 1) | A Nier Retrospective
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ธ.ค. 2019
- A video rambling about what made Nier so special.
Clemps Analysis on Nier
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I guess you could say, this game was Nier and Dier to a lot of people.
Edit: I'm not sorry. Hehe.
FACTS
Well said
Leave.
Im dead.
I see what you did there , i like
>17 minutes in
>"Let's get into the game proper"
Sounds like a NieR review, alright.
23:18
Real OG's know that getting that goddamn boar across this bridge is where the real difficulty of the game lies.
So are we gonna have to watch part 2 four times to get the full retrospective?
If I some how could, I would
@@Foxcade 4 different sets of captions/subtitles. All english. Good luck with the other languages.
first we gotta collect all the weapons tho
@@Foxcade Don't forget to delete the -video- your entire channel after you watch it 4 times. Oh and if you reupload it you can't name the video the same thing.
After the fourth time it just gets deleted
Misspelling perfect at 1:35 is some Nier-level meta.
Holy shit how did you even catch that???
still don't see it, can a bigger brain please point it out?
@@burnt_ramen9757 He misspelt perfect at 1:35 while talking about the pressure of getting it perfect. Whether it was intentional or not, it makes it look like the pressure of getting it perfect is getting to him in the same sentence he's saying it.
@@jasonolivertaylor Yeah it was damn great. I really didn't notice it and I thank you for telling.
14:46
The moment where you expect to find Valkyrie or Clemps down in the comments, but they're already IN the video...
"Twinks are out Daddies are in."
- Foxcade, 2019
And the world rejoiced. 😄
Brother Nier wants to know your location
Gross. Twinks > Daddies unless that daddy is buying me enough.
With the release of Automata, youtube got flooded with a bunch of videos about nier that more or less just rehashed the plot and it's nice to see someone finally give it a proper analysis. Any analysis of Nier that doesn't mention 9/11 isn't worth watching.
Release date of Drakengard 1 was 9/11/03
Nier pretty much happened *because* of a 9/11 esque cataclysm.
@@AngraMainiiu What?
@@FinneousPJ1 I think it's just better if you saw how Nier started th-cam.com/video/6OPW-RdzStA/w-d-xo.html
@@AngraMainiiu Can you explain better what the relation between Nier and the 9/11? I saw the Drakengard end that you post, but I just couldn't get it :(
In fairness to the rather poor gameplay of most of Yoko taro games. He was was working with studios that just plain didn't have the talent or skill to portray what he wanted effectively. (Cavia was a minor medocrere studio that he happened to work at and their library kinda tell you the kind of talent or lack there of that he had to actually make the games.) Access was better but the genre mix that Yoko taro takes is.... challenging to studio that just plain don't have the experience. Which was why his work with Platinum worked out so well. There was and honestly still isn't a studio with a skill set of such diverse game modes out there. I hope that Yoko Taro continues to work with them.
It also helps that Platinum already tries to shove SHMUP segments into their games, even when it hurts the pacing on reruns (Bayonetta is the prime offender of this).
So Yoko Taro and Platinum had common interests in that regard.
On the other hand Yoko Taro _might've_ understood that his creations would best (if not only) work as purely *story-driven* games-that they never needed in the first place the bells and whistles of the competition to make the storytelling work. That making every facet of the gameplay mechanics that lively would only rather dilute the intended experience and message. It really requires a more-or-less special taste to really understand and appreciate his works, which also use their technical flaws and limitations to advantage in the storytelling (as how he would put it, "weird games for weird people" or something like that).
Which is why a remake of the earlier Nier/Drakengard titles wouldn't work (only a remaster is enough).
I won't it past Yoko, for the next entry in the franchise, to ditch PlatinumGames and simply return to his roots with the franchise's original staff members, to return to the technical quality of the older titles and keep it niche as it was before (and also to ferret out the true fans among those reaped in by the bulk by Nier: Automata).
@@TheNobodyNamedDubyaBee great idea, drive off a new fanbase because they weren't there from the beginning. How dare they not be at the right place and time to have played this series from the very beginning.
Tch
I partly fell in love with the first Drakengard because I felt the awful gameplay was reinforcing the game's themes as a fully realised masochist experience.
@@CryoJnik For the record (and having gotten too lazy to respond), Yoko Taro isn't interested whatsoever about getting more fans or sales with his series. Only "quality" fans who are wise enough to properly consume the games' stories and how they are laid out.
If "fans" step into the pre-Nier: Automata games thinking it's gonna be as engaging as The Witcher, God of War, Kingdom Hearts, or Dark Souls and inevitably get turned off by the "clunky" gameplay, it's their fault they missed the point on what the series is all about.
"You look really cool"
Camera shows an ogre with an anime haircut wearing a gimp suit and black underwear over his face
Well... Emil's biased, if you know what i mean
Still one of my favorite soundtracks in any game
I'M SO PROUD OF YOU
We all are ;;
But I dont like ValkyrieAurora decision. Literally writing a library worth of books and burning it down. Erasing a part of history that cant be recovered. That is crime.
@@syahmimi1425 I think its bs if she did it because fans were whining about her old content. I can't imagine how annoying it would be for people to bitch that she doesn't do that anymore. Still its spiteful if that's why she deleted ALL of her old shit. Now if she did it because she was contractually obligated to I don't blame her. It makes me sad because I hate vtubers but hey do what you gotta for the job.
@@Brandonious15987 she became a vtuber? Ah why she did this. its like old tale of lyrics translation site deleting all of her tl making it disappear forever.
Wow, just found out you have 13 video's I need to watch after I've finished part 2 of this video.
Okay, I kinda expected Aurora and Clemps, but Eyepatch Wolf was straight outta left field
As someone who listens to his gaming podcast, it makes perfect sense that he is an original Nier fan... what's weird is that he isn't a fan of Automata hahaha
Spent this year playing this underrated piece of art after being mesmerised by Automata beforehand.
Despite the repetitiveness and rough edges on the production, I still absolutely loved this game for its immersive atmosphere, story, characters and absolutely gorgeous soundtrack (which I actually prefer over Automata).
The gameplay side was deffo slower but it was a lead up to Automata's style tbh which made for an interesting retrospective experience...just wish I had picked up this game years ago when it first game out for the PS3
I really can't wait for Yoko Taro's next big project to be announced.
Clemps, Shammy, and Sophie? This is like the Smash Bros of TH-cam videos for me
Edit: FUCK, EYE PATCH WOLF TOO
agreed
NieR Gestalt/Replicant doesn't get nearly as much love as it deserves (no pun intended)
Kainé the best trap waifu
@@FinneousPJ1 I'm not into traps, although Kainé is an exception
Please dont use the word trap :(
She isnt a trap :(
@@Alpha_beef I know but it's a meme
A new Foxcade video about Nier, It truly be Christmas time boys
I know this retrospective series of you its just the foreshadowing we need just before the official announcement for NieR Remake
Please this
And thus a new prophet was born
@@ainst545 Holy shit I didn't remember I wrote this
Now please Square and God, let this Nier's new version being a really good one
Javier Armenta Regrettably, I don’t think the gameplay will improve much. Platinum isn’t working on the game, but rather a company that from what I heard specializes in remaking and remastering games. That being said updated graphics and (hopefully) making brother Nier playable in the west will 100% justify my purchase. Some possible new songs or renditions by Keiichi Okabe would be the cherry on top
4/23/21 worldwide
"there is no originality whatsoever" Quality video game journalism at it's best
Well if you look at it strictly as a game it is kind of right. The surface level is quite standard.
@@MrMarinus18 If you can dive only into the surface level of a game, then I'm damn sad you're allowed to be a games reviewer.
@@SM-bc1gj The fact that you even bother looking past shit gameplay in a videogame makes you a pretentious pile of shit. See, I can make stupid, judgmental statements too.
@@xBINARYGODx I just stated the obvious: if you only see gameplay (which is just one of many aspects of a game), then you shouldn't be allowed to tell people whether a game is good or not, cause you're not being able to see the bigger picture; in any case, you're just reviewing one part of the game, which needless to say, it's stupid.
You, point aside, just confirmed how much of a narrowminded simpleton you are. I guess you're happy just pressing buttons till you see the credits. Some of us enjoy a complex story even if the gameplay isn't good at all.
Try not to embarrass yourself anymore.
@@SM-bc1gj L
This video came out at the perfect time, there's rumors of a remake hovering around for the 10th anniversary. I honestly hope it's a full remake, not just a remaster. The story could be more fleshed out and the gameplay needs a complete overhaul. Nier is such a fantastic game, I want to see it become a successful masterpiece like it rightfully deserves!
Michael Sorbello: Horror Stories I would lose my shit if they did a full remake. It would have the capacity to be one of the best games ever - the potential is there.
Remake confirmed cant wait
“Remake” of Replicant drops April 23, 2021 worldwide
I'm from the future. The game is a remake and it is amazing
@@IAmDaDumb1 I am also from the future and its a stunning masterpiece!
As much as I despise them now, I'll always thank Mike Fahey and Kotaku for introducing me to this gem. Booting up the disc and hearing Laura Bailey scream obscenities sealed the deal. I love this janky game and it's stellar soundtrack. I can't wait for your part 2.
NieR Gestalt is easily the best game anyone has ever touched, and while FF12 will always be my favorite from a personal standpoint, I don't think anything will ever get close to what Gestalt was able to do. The voice acting is absolutely some of the best in any medium, the OST IS the best in any medium, and the story is by far one of the most poignant told in a video game. The gameplay is fearless, inventive and genuinely creative even if flawed, but since the game never outstays its welcome and is constantly mixing up how it plays, it never once gets annoying. It will always hold an immensely special place in my heart.
Games like this need to exist. Flawed art is needed. NieR and Fragile Dreams especially, alongside so far too few other games are beyond meaningful despite any shortcomings in their gameplay. They will always be the absolute best this medium can offer.
Could not agree more on Nier and FF12.
While Automata is certainly one of the best games of this generation, from a narrative perspective the first Nier surpasses it, and it has always saddened me to see this game has never gotten the attention it deserves. We need more video essays and analysis' of Nier. Thank you for making this video.
I also think the original nier has a better atmosphere than automata has. And like... more charm.The gameplay might be clunky but the story is pretty good, especially once you understand...
A fox, a limey bean, a Swedish fish, an owl and a wolf walk into a bar.
NieR: Automata I played on PC was the reason for me to bought the PS3 Slim in 2019 and purchase the original Nier and Drakengard 3 which are not common where I leave, each cost me nearly as much as brand new PS4 games on market. But it's totally worth it.
This is a great masterpiece and one of the best games I ever played. I barely can remember a story touched my heart so much.
Thank you for the video, sir.
Thank you, Kaine, Emil, Weiss and Father.
Thank you, Yoko Taro.
i cant believe you talked about how nier's design early on looked like a kingdom hearts character but didn't point out that post-time skip bro nier looks like a dark fantasy au riku
White-haired pretty boy is a common design in Japanese medias though.
Redesigned older Bro is basically Caim cosplayer
The video was great. Especially because it subverted my expectations by making it a two parter and then immediately after showing a black screen. 10/10 would watch again.
I think for a lot of people to fully appreciate it a little bit of outside reading is involved and that can turn people off. For those that do, it is one of the most interesting stories ever told and, in my opinion, worth it.
I’m working on a Nier retrospective of my own and stumbled across your video. This is brilliantly executed my friend! Definitely one of the best videos I’ve seen on the game, well done.
So not only is one of my favorite game reviewers doing one of my favorite games, they also happen to manage grabbing not just one, not two, but THREE other content creators I love to cameo? It's the day before Christmas? Dude, thank you, its alright it's in 2 parts its actually surprisingly fitting for where you leave off but also nier is a big game to dissect, I hope you have a good holiday season, you deserve it
//sees Clemps
Me: “Man, would be cool if Valk Aurora also---“
//14:46 rolls by
Me: “-- Now that’s what I’m talking about!!!”
I love Nier!
Thank you so much for that video!
And yes, 31:56 you are right, that's probably the sadest moment in gaming, or probably any media outside of actual news.
I loved nier. I remember that used to sit in town and just let the music play over my speakers while i was doing housework. Everything about it was incredible.
Nier was one of the most painful games to complete I've experienced, with multiple playthroughs, weeks of real-time-dependent flower cross-breeding, and ungodly grinding for permanently missable words, all of which is apparently painful intentionally. The story, themes and direction of the game is so amazing that I stuck with it and would gladly do again if it was rereleased. I can't think of any other game as unabashedly uncaring of the players' assumptions and comfort to specifically turn around their assumptions and make a surreal hellscape of a story and world that makes one actually ask questions.
There's a section, in the first playthrough, that is skipped over for the 2nd playthrough. IIRC, Emil is spooked by a shade that haunts his library and he wants you to eradicate it. When you enter the room, you seeithe shade idly staring at bookshelves, and when you engage, it avoids combat and pursues a different bookshelf to inspect. It doesn't attack you at all during this sequence, and you have to actively chase it throughout the room. And because this precedes the "5 year" skip, there is no revisiting this area with each successive playthrough.
After the guilt trip, I thought back on this shade and what its motive was. Could it have been a shade seeking answers to its existentialism? And if so, how close was it to getting those answers until we appear?
Could it have been a previous scientist involved in the Gestalt project; whom continued seeking a true resolution to the epidemic, only to be cut down by one of its own (arguably) successful experiments?
Just so someone says it: I fucking loved the text adventures. It was sooo weird.
I play games to experience weird stuff as much as I want to be entertained. Nier delivered.
I’ve never seen a Foxcade video before, so seeing this and hearing Val Aurora, Clemps and SEW threw me for a freaking loop.
Also, nice vid
Great Video! Even learned some new things about NieR, which I didnt think was possible at this point. I look forward to the next video!
As someone who prefers detailed story analyses, I'm glad that you at least recommended other videos that prioritise that focus early in the video.
This is gonna be a fun watch while on the bus.
First game to genuinely make me feel something... This is actually my favorite game of all time, excluding a certain VN but most people don't play VNs so I don't meantion it.
I’m curious about the VN (the Zero Escape trilogy is one of mine)
Yes! Niers one of my favorite games and I'm so glad that you're covering it
Twinks are out daddies are in. This is also the gay scene in 2019.
AMEN
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price maybe you were on holiday? The grand council of gays put it to a postal vote and we decided by a fairly large majority.
B-But. I like both??
Although I haven’t played a single one of taro’s games myself, I always love the messages he tries to get across to you the player, especially since some of them reflect real life. It just makes everything feel more real and relatable in its own way.
Square Enix:
Me: GIVE ME THAT REMASTER ALREADY!!!
2 for 2
ArandomEdboy passingby
Remake, not remaster.
YES
Kullen64 remakeeee
@@infintecatvids8860 we don't need a remake
Didn't excepted a Nier Retrospective, But I'm not complaining.
Love your work Fox.
Huh, I wonder if in the next video he'll mention the GDC lecture Yoko did where he explained his writing process and how he works backwards?
Nobody:
Not a soul:
TH-camr: NieR
Clemps and Valkyrie Aurora: NIER!?!
To be fair, it's hard not to get excited when you hear any game in the series being mentioned, it's a fantastic series!
Literally what they did with SuperButterBuns' video on Automata
This showed up in my recommended tab and for once I'm glad its something good
You have actually done the impossible, well done Furball.
You gotta admit. 2-B is waifu.
Definitely
A2 is waifu
@@revolvingworld2676 2B is good hentai material. A2 is good waifu material
My biggest gripe with OG niers combat was that combat speed was tied to your hit count. (Higher count = faster swings, only really noticeable on the hard difficulty where enemies are HP sponges and take 20+ hits to kill). While I Think i get the intent behind such an obtuse 'adrenaline' system, I still hated it.
He swings faster the higher the hit combo? Wtf! I never noticed that.
Gameplay wise, im glad I came from DMC. Because of that, I actually enjoyed the combat in og Nier.
The air attack breaks blocks and staggers enemies which I used and abused frequently at the beginning. Then when you gain the ability to switch weapons through a small menu on the dpad, I actually exploited switching weapons mid combos which was pretty nice to do.
I also abused Dark Whirlwind and Dark Lance as they were probably the most broken with whirlwind basically being Vergil's spiral swords.
I actually just finished ending B on the original Gestalt version as someone who has no prior experience with the series and I really enjoyed my time playing it. Tho I'm gonna do ending C once I get the remake since I don't feel like collecting all the weapons in the game twice
Great video on one of my favorite games ever it means a lot to me as well also on a side note love that you got Valkyrie and Clemps love their videos and content
The time has come and so have I!
Prepare to get confused, sad and anxiety.
BIG fan of the whole series. I'm no gamer, but I find this to be masterfully done and enjoy revisiting it time and time again. The old cliche stands that I always find something new when i do this.
Now i wait for part 2
33:31 also another detail which i wonder was either intentional or unintentional but when trying to get those second and onward endings you are so powerful that you may end up pitying the shades especially when you fully understand their backgrounds.
I only just discovered Nier when Automata released, and now regard Nier as my favorite game of the Xbox 360 era -- but this analysis somehow rekindled a love that never extinguished. Next to Clemps videos, this is probably the best retrospective I've seen on the game (and I've seen my fair share). Thank you for the work put into it. I look forward to the rest, however many more there are, and hope you plan on doing an analysis on Automata as well!
Merry Christmas Fox! Looking forward to another year of your videos!
Blinding as a sunny day in a Canadian winter, THIS GUY GETS IT
stumbled upon this video looking for more nier content after recently finishing nier replicant ver 1.22. great vid, going right to part 2! side note, I was looking for valkyrieaurora's old videos on these and saw she put up a video last year saying she was done making youtube videos. which, sure, it happens and we can all can respect that... but then she also disabled comments on that video so no one could say goodbye, deleted all of her old videos off youtube, and, from i read elsewhere, she copyright strikes anyone who reuploads them. pretty horrible way to treat your fans who supported you after all those years I guess :/ imagine if musicians, authors and directors could just permanently take away their work from everyone the world and go "you can't enjoy this anymore because i said so". lost all respect I had for her.
edit: she had a patreon too, I just found out. that is inexcusable to me to have people literally pay you to produce content and then you take all of it down and copyright strike people who reupload it...
The music is so beautifully haunting ♡
One of my favourite games ever by far
you mean to tell me i was crying before even part 2 came out? My god.....
A new Super Eyepatch Wolf and Foxcade video on the same day! Yussss
Wait, Shammy is alive? Can't wait for his next video to be uploaded at the end of the universe.
After playing this game for the first time with the remaster, this game is a masterpiece. The music/voice acting is great imo. In the Replicant remaster, Nier is voiced by Ray Chase (Noctis from Final Fantasy XV) for anyone curious.
18:46 lmaooooo yeah that's a classic game subgenre right there XD
“Twinks are out, daddies are in”
I am dying
It's really good to see acknowledgement of the cinematography as one of NieR's really strong points. I always think of the shot at the climax, where Nier and Yonah seem to be walking towards each other but then Yonah walks past Nier to go to the Shadowlord instead, sells that moment so well even if it would make no sense if shot from a different angle. I don't know of many games that pay that much attention to cinematography, and I hope it gets preserved if this game ever gets remade.
Kainé's story at the beginning of route B is probably my favourite section of the game if maybe for mostly personal reasons, so it's a weird shift of perspective in itself to hear people complained about it at the time! You can do a lot with text that you can't with games' usual techniques, but there remains this hard divide between IF (twine, VNs etc) and CRPGs on one side, and action games on the other, which is too rarely crossed.
Anyway, this is a promising contextualisation of the game and now the usual caveats about the combat are out of the way, I'm v much looking forward to see you really get into the game's themes in the second part!
Jesus this is a new vid!?
DUDE I LOVE THIS GAME IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE I'VE FIRST PLAYED IT AND I STILL COME BACK TO IT
Bought this day one back in the day (based of a TH-cam’r that no longer does content) and fell in love almost instantly - my only real complaint was the RNG
Nier is one of my favorite games of all time thank you for talking about it
Pretty sure this game DOES have a lock on system for combat. Could be wrong though; it's been a while
I don't think so, because I remember manual aiming of ranged skills.
I like lack of it either way.
MusaboriMan2 It does.
It’s an auto-lock on when you are near an enemy. It isn’t good. A true lock on feature would have been a huge improvement.
I wasn't expecting supereyepatchwolf out of nowhere, but it was well received
Watch part 1 they said, it’ll be fun they said, the wait won’t be too painful they said. Well, I’m saying two out of those three statements are true 🤣 Fantastic video! Can’t wait for part 2
I love the text sections fight me!
Same. Idk if they were better in replicant than in the original but I loved them too. The music gives you chills as you read it
I regret not playing this game until after Autometa came out, I honestly think it is my favorite story game.
Well the novellas actually give good info that makes the plot even darker:
- The Red and the Black: explains why nier was a little weird (brother nier in a young age had to prostitute himself to a merchant from seafront to be able to provide for Yonah... and eventually kills the man realizing that killing shades is almost the same as killing humans), also Popola and Devola knew what he did so thats why they tried to help him.
- The Stone Flower: Tells Halua (Emil sister) story and why she rampaged and tried to destroy the facility she was in... she tried to protect her brother from being turned into a weapon.
- And Then There Were None: tells the story of how Grimoire Weiss became a book (also explain that the book you killed on Emil library was a girl he tried to protect in the process... unfortunately she didnt develop speach hability so you just killed her without knowing it was her).
SUPER EYEPATCH WOLF!!!! sorry that made me really excited hahaha
a Nier Video With multiple parts
so much Nier
Thank god that there was made a nier remastered, is so much better than the original
Honestly the gameplay here is a lot more interesting here than automata to me
Both games have essentially the same mechanics except the first is functionally worse in every way. Replace the magic system in the first one with the Pod system in Automata and you have the same core gameplay loop, except Automata had the polish of Platinum Games. Why do you feel the first Nier had better combat??
love you foxcade, you are one of the greatests
Merry Xmas
Valkyrie!
Aurora
Showing up in someone else's video would be quite a venture!
Man the music is just fantastic
First half: adventure! Woo! Juggle that guy in the library! Something must happen!
Second half: I feel something is wrong. Am I not supposed to be killing them? I feel like something is wrong, but it won’t progress until I kill them. I feel horrible and I don’t know why. Was I not supposed to kill that guy in the library?
Restart: I know why. And I’ll never know why the guy was in the library... Bye.
Never touched again.
Ah, _Spec Ops: The Line_ syndrome. Where your options are either play the game and have the game call you (or at the very least your character) a monster, or turn the game off. _Undertale's_ genocide route plays with this, but it's also true that you can exit the genocide route. Since you can make a choice beyond "Don't play the game" its criticism of the player has some real teeth.
Super predictable that Fixcade has the best video on a particular game on the internet. Development history and how that impacted design decisions, gameplay, presentation, story analysis, this channel has everything you could want out of a review/analysis.
Nier was amazing. A remake of it would be orgasmic. One thing I think that Nier had that Automata didnt was when fighting the boss, after you took down his life bar, you had to then unload enough damage in a certain time, with a small clock winding down. Automata bosses I would really hold back on until I thought I heard all the talking they were gonna do. Also, Weizz and his moves were alot cooler then the pods moves.
Playing through the first time:
I'M A BADASS!
Playing through the second time:
...i'm a fucking monster...
Hyped for this.
I didn't know Shammy worked for Gamespot.
Wow his voice is really recognizable actually.
With the coming of the remaster, I've never actually played the English version.
Hearing weiss' voice actor say bitch made my day
32:57 DG4 I wish :V also you got yourself a new sub for this brilliant video.
LOOOOVE NieR!!
about to play Drakengard for the 1st time, wish me luck.. ()_()
10:26
Sora: Riku? Riku is that you?
Nier is similar to Drakengard on how great swords can be made better by using them with jumping attacks. The "Iron Will" is also found in Drakengard.
What I find weird is that I enjoyed Nier from beginning to end including it's combat and everything. As someone who loves character action games it's weird but it works for me.