If you pick a secondary character, but it is still a high tier you clearly have experience with and is notably considered a bad matchup for both your opponent's character and your opponent specifically, can you really even call that sandbagging?
Bryce Griffin I would work on that. if I had someone yawn after beating them I would definitely get annoyed. It's either a john or shade, it can be a john by implying you're tired and lost because of that, or shade by implying the game was boring or whatever the case may be. Since it's only body language we can only make assumptions but knowing the type of person leffen is I would assume it's shade.
7:44 really encapsulates why I love Duck. Seems like he's happier when his opponent's in a good mindset. At the very least, he's appreciative of cool shit his opponent does, even when it results in him being trashed on.
leffen seems to have the worst mindset. He loses one match and his composure cracks. Chuckle how much you will, that´s not how to reach the top *yawns*
Don't get me wrong, I know that M2K has been improving. I brought up M2K because if we follow their logic, that basically meant that M2K can't reach the top/isn't a top player since M2K's composure cracked quickly.
You typically see m2k's composure crack after he's down 2-0/4 stocks to one. You almost NEVER see m2k lose composure after game 1 unless he loses very badly.
One of the best Duck fight I've seen. Leff's Marth wasn't bad at all. This was a fun and close fight. Duck 3-0'd him but with only one stock at the first and third game. 2 stocks for the 2nd game but Leffen SDed infortunately. Someone knows the matchup between them ?
Can't be a 6th God and consistently lose to Duck. It can happen every now and then, but this is a consistent thing. And unless Duck becomes a 5 god slayer, it won't be justified. Not to take away from Duck. He's amazing and super fun to watch. But the title of god entails regularly beating virtually everyone who isn't a god.
That's the point of being called a Godslayer rather than an 6th God. He says so himself. Leffen has the (unique) ability to beat absolutely everyone in a dominant fashion, but he also loses to non-gods in the same way.
Tselel nah dude the gods have all individually lost to lower ranked players, but there hasn't been a non-god to win a major and beat all 5. Leffen's inarguably a god
the 5 gods are the 5 gods because they were the top players in an era, where no one was able to beat them except themselves. That era is over essentially, but they keep the title because its just god in the sense of "oh this person that is amazing at the game." It's more about that one specific era. So people dubbed Leffen the god slayer because he can defeat the gods pretty consistently for the most part.
I think hating an entertainment figure, big or small, is just dumb tribalism. Likewise, stirring people up and acting like a minor WWE heel and then getting defensive when people revel in your defeat is silly too.
if you check out his twitter, leff says he wasn't really feeling the whole tourney. he signed up last minute and wanted to play marf the whole time just for fun since he was going through a lot personally and wasn't gonna be playing his best. He also said that after the hate he got for this and the hate mango got for Frame Perfect 2, he's just not gonna sign up next time a similar opportunity arises, and I don't blame him.
lukewarmtoast this is moronic lol. They still signed up to decently stacked tourneys. Mangos flight got held up for this one and armada dropped due to health issues but they were still confirmed a bit in advance. Leffen johns all the time and no one calls him out on it. Saying shit like when I'm back playing tournaments everyone's done as if he isn't back. If he was going through issues and was going to sandbag why even show up to the damn event it's not like it's an easy flight or anything. Leffen showed up to play to dpotg which was a similar caliber event players wise.
ST Well, I mean, the difference between top players and competitive players is that top players have fun, and if it gets too stressful, they back off and take a breather, then come back with a clear head. Both Mango and Leffen have already proved themselves, is it so hard to accept that they might come to a tourney to have fun? Besides, who cares if he's johning? Point is it's obvious he wasn't here at 100 percent. Let him be, don't be that YT hater.
It's moronic that you're offended a guy joined a tourney while not feeling 100%. It's almost like at the end of the day it's a video game and people don't just play for #1.
every playstyle is a "boy i sure hope he runs into my ________" by your logic or are you basically just saying "i'm mad because Samus has a good jab and f tilt"
the commentators...smh gave me a headache. also the crowd cheering for a match Leffen just tossed? go cheer for a match that he actually puts effort in. no point cheering in a match that has no value. might as well cheer for the match if one of them got DQ for taking a shit too long
I've been watching Smash 4 and Melee for years, and, at the highest levels, the two games seem to very similar in terms of speed a lot of the time. There are times when Melee is a lot faster, but those don't seem to be too often. That would mainly just be in fox and falco battles.
Cameron Samus is a very irregular character in the Melee roster. She's basically the only viable character who remains constantly grounded with her best approach options. That being said, Melee is objectively in terms of inputs per second
Cameron There's certainly a lot more technical inputs they have to do (wavedash, L-cancel, jump-cancel, etc...), most of which were removed in the sequels. Also Samus is REALLY floaty but unlike puff she has poor airspeed. Samus matches are much slower than most.
Duck made him quack under pressure
Leffen isn't very good at the duck matchup
Jeffrey Santiago duck knew leffen was sand bagging lol
Tru and Leffen just struggles with the Samus matchup
Pk Freeze he 3-1'd duck and 3-0'd hugs at G4, he was sandbagging here lmao
duck was tired that day
see? we all can john
so many johns
I love when Leffen laughs, claims to be sandbagging, yawn, tweets johns n shit when he loses. Ya know, classic stuff that shows real maturity.
he was tweeting shit about not having a good mentality and going through some personal stuff before this set even took place though
lukewarmtoast so Johns basically?
the fake yawn is major cringe factor.
If you pick a secondary character, but it is still a high tier you clearly have experience with and is notably considered a bad matchup for both your opponent's character and your opponent specifically, can you really even call that sandbagging?
Austin Cannon Leffen playing anything other than fox is sandbagging lol, none of his secondaries even come close to his fox.
Austin Cannon he was down 0-2 so it doesn't matter
Ugh, I like Leffen but he needs to STOP THOSE FAKE YAWNS! Disgusting.
Did they really use the yawn as the thumbnail?
say what you will, but leffen's dancing blade kill was incredible
That marth dancing blade kill was sick though
the leffen yawn is utter cringe
Xteve _ I do it when I lose too tbh. It's like a subconscious reaction for me, and it's probably the same way for Leffen. It's not out of BM.
Bryce Griffin I would work on that. if I had someone yawn after beating them I would definitely get annoyed. It's either a john or shade, it can be a john by implying you're tired and lost because of that, or shade by implying the game was boring or whatever the case may be. Since it's only body language we can only make assumptions but knowing the type of person leffen is I would assume it's shade.
The yawn johns are strong here.
lmfao duck destroys leffen again
Take a shot every time one of them says "honest"
8:57 "he's playing marth pretty honestly" jeez
very honest commentators, I like that
7:44 really encapsulates why I love Duck. Seems like he's happier when his opponent's in a good mindset. At the very least, he's appreciative of cool shit his opponent does, even when it results in him being trashed on.
I'd feel bad for Leffen if he didn't act like such a tool all the time.
So I see we have a Chitoge fan in the crowd :D
Carlos R we should all be Chitoge fans
Josh Alexander I am a Chitoge fan, always have been :)
onedera is the real waifu
Thats why she wins in the end huh? oh wait a minute....SHE DOESNT
Carlos R I personally believe she was more suited for him than chitoge.
leffen seems to have the worst mindset. He loses one match and his composure cracks. Chuckle how much you will, that´s not how to reach the top *yawns*
Sounds awfully like M2k
+Calvin Ly
Good point, though M2K has been improving lately, check out his losers run at UGC if you want an example.
Don't get me wrong, I know that M2K has been improving. I brought up M2K because if we follow their logic, that basically meant that M2K can't reach the top/isn't a top player since M2K's composure cracked quickly.
Calvin Ly Good point.
You typically see m2k's composure crack after he's down 2-0/4 stocks to one. You almost NEVER see m2k lose composure after game 1 unless he loses very badly.
I don't have anything aganist Leffen, but I love to see some destruction from Duck. Who knows, he may beat out Plup for best Samus in the world.
Duck be flying in that "V" for 5th(?) victory!
One of the best Duck fight I've seen. Leff's Marth wasn't bad at all. This was a fun and close fight. Duck 3-0'd him but with only one stock at the first and third game. 2 stocks for the 2nd game but Leffen SDed infortunately.
Someone knows the matchup between them ?
Can't be a 6th God and consistently lose to Duck. It can happen every now and then, but this is a consistent thing. And unless Duck becomes a 5 god slayer, it won't be justified.
Not to take away from Duck. He's amazing and super fun to watch. But the title of god entails regularly beating virtually everyone who isn't a god.
That's the point of being called a Godslayer rather than an 6th God. He says so himself. Leffen has the (unique) ability to beat absolutely everyone in a dominant fashion, but he also loses to non-gods in the same way.
Mathieu Amiot This is more in response to people who put him in the god strata.
Tselel nah dude the gods have all individually lost to lower ranked players, but there hasn't been a non-god to win a major and beat all 5. Leffen's inarguably a god
the 5 gods are the 5 gods because they were the top players in an era, where no one was able to beat them except themselves. That era is over essentially, but they keep the title because its just god in the sense of "oh this person that is amazing at the game." It's more about that one specific era. So people dubbed Leffen the god slayer because he can defeat the gods pretty consistently for the most part.
Not Thomas All gods have had a reign of terror where they dominated and didn't lose sets. Leffen has not had this.
The best thumbnail...
Leffen has high tier hair but his skin is low tier
Cruel and unncessary
Yep I'm sure you're just beautiful Mr. Anonymous Melee viewer. Keep making the internet a toxic place for destroying peoples' faith in humanity.
EvilApple567 waaaaahh
That's not very nice.
EvilApple567 REEEEEEEEE DONT MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET ESPECIALLY NOT IN CREATIVE WAYS REEEEEEEEEEE
LOL The quack cham at 9:50!
Erick Ponce the whole chant had to be the best Mighty Ducks reference in history
And Leffen thought he was over the Samus hump. lol
does duck need a hug? he looks like he's constantly reading the raven
quack.
Wow nice thumbnail
"Legalize Poke' Floats"
Leffen looking shook af sitting in his shield this whole match.
Those crowd signs are funny. PPMD Kreygasm and Legalize Poké Floats indeed, my friend.
That thumbnail
3:00 he covered the roll to the right.
evilmawile God bless, it finally happened
One commentator is so biased towards Duck and it's reallyyy annoying.
SadLeff thumbnail 😞
I think hating an entertainment figure, big or small, is just dumb tribalism. Likewise, stirring people up and acting like a minor WWE heel and then getting defensive when people revel in your defeat is silly too.
It's funny to listen to commentators on Samus matches they never quite understand the Samus gimmicks.
Onodera is fake news xDD
Leffen plays Marth is if he forgot he changed characters and still using fox... lmao
Nice thumbnail
If you see leffen yawning in the thumbnail you already know he lost.
I wanna see a leffen v mew2kimg marth ditto
Those public messages, what they say?
Duck played damn good that match
big left
The thumbnail describes everything
Defeats armada but loses to duck?
just looking at their faces...idk why but I'm reminded of L and Light hahaha random and odd...
year of the leffeb confirmed
6th god? god Slayer? pff.
Beautiful thumbnail lol.
7:45 top 10 flex moments
This is little leff
3-0 damn hamie
This made me happy
lol that thumbnail
Poor leffen
BOPPED
I love duck
those are some toxic ass signs. lol
How the fuck is Duck still unsponsored???
Leffen is such a HAN
Never thought I'd see "han" used in the Smash community
lol i hope you know what i mean by that.
if you check out his twitter, leff says he wasn't really feeling the whole tourney. he signed up last minute and wanted to play marf the whole time just for fun since he was going through a lot personally and wasn't gonna be playing his best. He also said that after the hate he got for this and the hate mango got for Frame Perfect 2, he's just not gonna sign up next time a similar opportunity arises, and I don't blame him.
lukewarmtoast this is moronic lol. They still signed up to decently stacked tourneys. Mangos flight got held up for this one and armada dropped due to health issues but they were still confirmed a bit in advance. Leffen johns all the time and no one calls him out on it. Saying shit like when I'm back playing tournaments everyone's done as if he isn't back. If he was going through issues and was going to sandbag why even show up to the damn event it's not like it's an easy flight or anything. Leffen showed up to play to dpotg which was a similar caliber event players wise.
ST Well, I mean, the difference between top players and competitive players is that top players have fun, and if it gets too stressful, they back off and take a breather, then come back with a clear head. Both Mango and Leffen have already proved themselves, is it so hard to accept that they might come to a tourney to have fun? Besides, who cares if he's johning? Point is it's obvious he wasn't here at 100 percent. Let him be, don't be that YT hater.
It's moronic that you're offended a guy joined a tourney while not feeling 100%.
It's almost like at the end of the day it's a video game and people don't just play for #1.
^scrub mentality
Joooooooohhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn
super hype to watch one of the best players in the world lose to a jab ftilt obstacle course
the fact that u think a "boy i sure hope he runs into my ftilt" playstyle is praiseworthy proves 2 me that u are an inferior human being.
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u tell me ur the ugly one ROFL
every playstyle is a "boy i sure hope he runs into my ________" by your logic
or are you basically just saying "i'm mad because Samus has a good jab and f tilt"
I thought this troll was obvious
My nigga said obstacle course LOL
the commentators...smh gave me a headache. also the crowd cheering for a match Leffen just tossed? go cheer for a match that he actually puts effort in. no point cheering in a match that has no value. might as well cheer for the match if one of them got DQ for taking a shit too long
mykofalco he tried in the first two matches, the Marth was an admission to his loss with Fox, but he still tried.
Wait, why do Melee players say Smash 4 is slow when that first match looked to be about the same speed of most high level Smash 4 matches I've seen?
Cameron You can't just take one match and form an opinion on the entire game. Melee is much faster than Sm4sh.
I've been watching Smash 4 and Melee for years, and, at the highest levels, the two games seem to very similar in terms of speed a lot of the time. There are times when Melee is a lot faster, but those don't seem to be too often. That would mainly just be in fox and falco battles.
Cameron Samus is a very irregular character in the Melee roster. She's basically the only viable character who remains constantly grounded with her best approach options. That being said, Melee is objectively in terms of inputs per second
Oh, so when people say Melee is faster, they don't mean in movement but in the amount of inputs that it requires to perform actions?
Cameron There's certainly a lot more technical inputs they have to do (wavedash, L-cancel, jump-cancel, etc...), most of which were removed in the sequels.
Also Samus is REALLY floaty but unlike puff she has poor airspeed. Samus matches are much slower than most.
*clearly doesnt care about the match*
oh boy duck is so good lol
J-j-j-john.
ME | Jakespeare = VGBC | GimR ?