I've Never Seen A Filament Dryer Do This (Eibos Polyphemus)
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In today's video we dive into a new dryer from Eibos called the Polyphemus. The EasDry and Cyclops have been my go to recommendations for the past couple of years and I was very excited to see what their next generation dryer offered. We will go over the units specs, how it performed, and I will give you my overall thoughts based on my time with it so far.
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Can't see how this wouldn't be considered a major upgrade. Removes the concern / issue as a fire hazard from the cyclops, rotates for even drying and has the ability to maintain a set humidity level. Sounds incredible. I've preordered mine.
It would be a great feature if the rotation could be set to a timed interval instead of continuous rotation. IE rotate the spool 120 degrees every 30 minutes. This would also greatly extend the life span of the DC motor.
Great suggestion, this is what I do manually, rotate the spool every 30-60 minutes. So it would be fine if done by motor every 15-30 minutes.
Sounds like it's time for a hack.
I love my Eibos Cyclopes and it looks like they’ve made a ton of thoughtful upgrades on this new unit!
SUPER EXCITED to see the blaster project! Glad more people are trying out the dart blasting hobby.
It is a DC motor that it comes with and not a stepper motor. A stepper motor would not need replacement, but a cheaper DC motor has brushes that will wear out over time.
Ive been very happy with my Eibos dryer, not sure i have a use for the polyphemus but im glad that it seems theyre still releasing quality products.
I might get this. I have no issues with assembling the cover myself. Looks great! Have a good day.
Thanks for your honest and informative review, it gave me enough confidence in the drier to sign up for the 'crowdfunder' deal. My drier arrived last week.
I found your 'mods' and others and got my X1C working on them, the first were your modified feet which provides better airflow, thanks for your work on those too! 🙂
I hope my superthanks provides you with a great coffee.
Thanks again from the UK 👍
Hey thank you very much for the support! I am glad to hear you got the dryer in and were able to get it set up how you want it for your X1C. 😊 cheers!!
Update! I've been really pleased with the Polyphemus, so much so that I ordered a second one which will arrive in the next few days.
This will made my food dehydrator redundant. I've used the two side by side for almost five months but the Polyphemus just made drying filament easier, predictable and safer, it was an easy decision to buy another.
Thanks again for your reviews and guidance videos, much appreciated. 👍
doing the winter. i have done like everyone else. used a plastic box with a humuidty sensor and some desiccant. we have heated floors in the entire house but but in my hobby room i have a radiator so i just store my Dryboxes on top of that. it works wonders
The cyclopes seemed to like to melt the filament on the side that sat above the heater due to placement so I personally love that this one will rotate!
The airflow and rotation are well worth the upgrade. I have the cyclops but living in an area with high humidity I've had filament melt trying to dry it out even at recommend temperatures. That being said, I'm curious how this will compare to the SUNLU FilaDryer S4 in high humidity environments.
A Great informative review. Thankyou.
Thank You Sir for your review. Think I’ll go with the poly one
Already pre-ordered this weeks ago! can't wait
I have the Cyclopes and i love it. Not sure if the motor is worth it but i like the flow distribution plate. I might have to try to make something similar for the Cyclopes if possible
The motor gear isn't containing any lube so open it and apply a bit of dry lube or PTFE spray and the noise get's a lot reduced. It is those Nylon gears which are very loud.
I’m glad they added the auto rotation
Great video as always 👍😀
Im quite happy with my FIXDRY 2 spool dryer i got on sale for $80. Its a lot like the cyclops but more budget friendly.
@4:32 It's not a stepper motor, just a simple DC motor (@5:18 , there are only two wires)
also probably the reason for its short life😊
That spool-turning motor looks like a brushed DC motor to me
I agree I have one of them they put out great torque for their size.
Weird I swore I saw them calling it a stepper but you may be right. I just went back through the email and documents and it looks like they just refer to it as motor.
Agreed, this motor is not a stepper motor. It's a brushed DC motor.
@@ModBotArmy If it really is a DC brushed motor, it'll be peanuts in cost to replace them once they wear out. It'll also run quite a bit longer than just 1000 hours before the brushes finally run out. :)
@@humbledeer I bet its that little gearbox that is wearing out and not the motor.
I'm tempted by the rotation feature because my cyclopse will soften plastic spools and leave me with divots from the rollers.
the plate over the heater will help stop the melting of something like PETG. Which I did have it fuse some rows on a spool once int he Cyclopes once. the plate looks like it prevents the heater from blowing directly on the filament.
WEll done, thanks.
The Eibos Easdry just melts my filament. It gets so crazy hot inside on the PETG setting it deforms the SPOOL. I have two of them and they both do it. I just use them on the absolutely lowest setting on the dial. Even still, if I leave it on overnight on accident or print from it for a really long print, it heats PLA and PETG enough to cause the last 5 or 6 winds of filament on the spool to fuse solid to each other. It's crazy but it's still the only filament dryer I've tried that actually dries filament completely so I still use them. I just have to be really careful about not running them for more than an hour or two at a time.
It’s like they realized the Cyclopes was more a filament melter than a dryer. Good call on the heat shield for the new one. To bad my brick of a Cyclopes is collecting dust.
I've used the Cyclops for years, but this Humidity mode on the new one (that you say is just an add) is actually really enticing to me.
I was so close to pulling the trigger, but I use eSun 3kg spools, and they're 270mm wide :(
Concerns about whether they actually reach 70C+ reaffirm that maybe this isn't for me. I'll stick with the mini oven and just look for a sealed box with dessicant to house the spools while printing.
I wish they would put a weight system into these boxes. I like the know the weight of my spools so I know how much filament I have left.
I hope it works with the 2kg spools of polymaker PA6-CF/GF, the cyclops disappointingly is ever so slightly too small. we are talking maybe 1cm at most probably 5mm of spool diameter would make it work fine. I am able to improvise a solution using a printed spacer and putting the cover on at an angle and covering the gaps with kapton tape but I was hoping that the cyclops would be large enough for a 2kg spool and it just wasnt. Other than that tough it works really well and does exactly what it says on the box just be aware that its 2kg spool compatibility is hit or miss.
I have both the 1 spool unit and the Cyclops 2 spool. First, I like them both. But here are the down sides that I( wish could be addressed. In the One spool unit if you have any spools that are even a bit over sized even a little then those spools will not fit. Cyclops; When my spools get down to let say 1/3 full these spools will fall over. I put an empty spool in the second slot and that at least keeps it from falling over to far. I don't think the Bearing/wheels work very well. It is just not a really smooth turning of the spool. As my spools turn it basicly jerks a bit instead of smooth rotation. I would love to see how I could modify this and also, so my filament spools don't fall over. Even with the second empty spool in place it still falls over just not enough to effect printing. I wonder if my printing could be improved a bit if I could fix the above issues. I was hopping the new unit would solve these problems. PS I am thinking that if a spool holder went through the middle of the spools then that might solve most of said issues.
Only issue is... the first(?) batch has some QC/QA issue so the Polyphemus shuts down after a few seconds of use, probably safety shutdown, and figured no way of fixing this. It afterwards sometimes reboots just to run into the shutdown cycle again. Support is apparently currently slightly overwhelmed and is not adequately addressing the issue quick enough. In short, there are now a few early adopter/support with disfunctional units. So the crowdfunding/kickstarter plague continues... products are shipped too quickly/ with limited QC/QA and early supporter/adopter are left behind.
It would be a great idea to make a printed handle for the Cyclopes as well. Maybe something that would attach via command strips or something... Handling that unweildly thing is the biggest downside of using it in my experience (It has been a very good dryer though). I have some ABS loaded in the printer now as I'm currently printing a part cooling vent for my Prusa Steel. Think I'll go draw one up or search the web for one that already exists...
Check out Printables. I'm using one from there and it makes handling the lid much easier.
@@talentedmrripley9057 I looked, but felt that the thin handles that I saw lacked stability in one or another direction depending on which way you mounted it. I considered the problem and decided to draw up my own. I made a circular but hollow "knob" of sorts with a rounded top that looks and acts sort of like a chimney to let the vent in the middle continue to function exactly as designed while giving me a solid grip and control along both directions. It looks kind of like a thick plastic velocity stack of sorts.
The Cyclopes is great with a few mods. It looks like Eibos paid attention to the mods people were making
I have the Eibos EasDry
You have to be extremely careful if you're gonna dry PETG with it... I've had a few spools stick themselves together irreversibly just on the PLA setting.
I still use it for TPU since it doesn't appear to happen to TPU or other materials - but PETG is a pain in the butt.
I accidentally left it on overnight with a spool of PETG in it, on the PETG setting. It melted the spool enough to deform it and fused almost the entire spool of filament together. I'm pretty sure it's a fire hazard. If that had been a cardboard spool, no doubt it would have been smoldering at least.
As a Cyclopes owner, I'm definitely considering selling it and getting this for two main reasons:
1. Being able to remove the top cover while not having to pull the filament first.
Given the way the Cyclopes is setup, you have to pull the filament from the extruder, and then of course pull it through the cover, in order to move the cover out of the way.
Why is this such an annoying thing for me, you might ask? Well, the big reason is keeping tension on the spool to mitigate the chance of it getting loose, and subsequently tangling.
I can kind of palm the cover enough with one hand so I can start to reel back on the spool, but it's just a pain in the ass.
Having the filament slots below the cover allows it to be moved out of the way so you can have two hands to prep the spool for removal.
2. The target humidity setting. I mean, assuming it works anyway, just fire and forget. Don't need to worry about restarting the drier when the humidity climbs back up.
Bro, I just don't understand why they didn't put a simple door at the front. It would have made removing the Poppins without having to take off the hood. Simple and efficient. The cyclops model is really annoying for that.
The humidity setting is a big one for me too. Right now I'm using a Comgrow dual spool dryer, it works for me here in AZ where the humidity isn't bad but having to baby sit it is a pain. I was thinking of doing an ESP32 mod to control it but by the time I spent the money and time to do that I could have one of these dryers. Also, not having to unload the filament to open it is another great plus.
I like my EIBOS Cyclopes a lot, my only gripe is the THUNK sound when the heater turns on. It must be the relay or whatever they are using.
I have two cyclopes. Might get a 3rd. I do like the option of the new one to set it a humid %, and turn on/off to maintain that. But thats the only thing. If they made a 4 spool, that might get me to think about it.
Sunlu's got a 4-spool dryer out now (Filadryer S4) but it was a Kickstarter product (red flag) and still isn't in stock on their site (second red flag)
Almost every dryer I have used has a hard time reaching and maintaining the 70C max, which is the bare minimum temp for drying PA and PC filaments. I find myself draping a small towel over them to give them an insulation boost, and this helps but has me scratching my head as to why they would market 70C but struggle so much to actually reach it.
So, with these Eibos units, did you do any tests around their max temp settings, and whether they could maintain 70C (or higher?)
I have two Easdry units. They get hot enough to fuse entire spools of PETG filament if you leave them on too long at the PETG setting (which is a bit over half power). I haven't bothered to actually measure what temp they will reach though. To me, the answer is too hot for long PETG prints, even on the lowest setting. They really do a great job of drying the filament though. You just have to babysit them to make sure they don't get too hot.
there using exciting tech.... its just a food dehydrator..... ironic how those also only do 70c huh. yup all the same parts.
@@hodgeac 70c is cold. i use an oven this thing is a refrigerator in comparison.
I'm still making my own filament dryer for 4 spool
i'd love to see a review on the sunlu s4 hopefully you have one coming :)
They reached out a while ago but when I was told it was Kickstarter is told them I wouldn’t be interested until after. Once the kickstarter is done I will absolutely get one in for testing.
@@ModBotArmy completely understand the caution on kickstarters.. I backed it since i figured it's sunlu so it "SHOULD be safe
Does it actually reach 70 degrees? Is it safety listed with UL or CE?
A dirt cheap way to dry a spool of filament before using it is to put it back in the box it came in with the decadent (minus the bag), and put the box on the bed of your printer with the bed set for between 40-70C. Flip the box over from time to time. A true dryer will allow you to keep the filament dry as you print, but once dried, you should be able to manage even a long print.
I backed the Eibos Cyclopes on Kickstarter. A few minutes after I started drying some filament I heard two bangs, and then the dryer wouldn't start anymore. After I got in touch with them I was told they would send me a replacement product. It never arrived, and they never responded to any of my mails again. I know I can't expect a fully polished product from a kickstarter campaign. There can always be some minor issues. However, the manner in which they handled the issue, and then basically just ghosted me, left a sour taste in my mouth, which stops me from buying any more Eibos products.
The price is still very high, and can still get a food dehydrator for much, much cheaper that will do the same job.
Yeah, $40 dehydrator and you're good. I don't see why people buy these. Maybe a cheap sunlu for keeping it dry while printing something like Nylon, I can see that.
$200 gets you an industrial food dehydrator that gets up to 90c and can dry 20x spools at once!
You can get square one, some acrylic sheet and make almost same thing that this does.
I also use a food dehydrator but it can't just be left on all the time because it's much to hot and the noise level is way to high. Would be nice to have something that keeps the filament dry all the time.
@@CyberdeckCafe i used a regular storage box and some reptile heaters to store open filament.
The rotation seems more like a way to not cook one side of the filament. That happened to my pla using their recommended temperature & it was damaged.
I want a klipper controlled out of the box solution
0:55 I drop my OJ so I can fist bump to the ModBot intro theme song every time because I know I'm going to learn something from the video
I just pulled the trigger. I hope they don't announce a 4 roll dryer now!
You're in Idaho, I am in Utah, i.e., similar climate. How much actual NEED for a filament dryer have you experienced in Potatovania?
Unless you print pva, nylon, or any other hygroscopic materials, all you need is a 30$ food dehydrator and in my case a home depot bucket to be able to dry 4 rolls of pla, a role of petg, and 6 .25kg rolls of pla all simultaneously within a night
Being able to set a trigger humidity level and the fact that it dried your sponge much better and faster than the previous version both sound like pretty good upgrades to me. Not sure I understand your lack of enthusiasm for the Polyphemus compared to the previous version.
What is the maximum heat it outputs?
not to bad but for something like this and the cost... the SUNLU FilaDryer S4 sure kickstarter but for a few $ more its a better option and you can do 4 spools instead of 2
How does this work with printing straight out of it? Does it disable the motor and let it free roll or someting? Would be a shame if the printer and the dryer would start fighting eachother over the filmament
Is there a product like this that's cheaper and still has set-able temperatures?
Noob question: how do i know if humidity is an issue? My printer is in a basement in Kansas so it fluctuates quite a bit.
If your prints get really stringy and if you hear pops coming from the nozzle. Most PLAs don't really suffer from this, but other filaments such as TPU and PETG can really suck in a lot of moisture
So does it actually reach 70 degrees centigrade in the compartment? You didn’t measure it. That’s a dealbreaker for me. I’ve been looking for one that actually reaches 70, like the Sunlu S4, but smaller. All tests I’ve sofar seen on a variety of dryers claimed to reach 70 has been tested to be false.
I still like my food dehydrator. I can dry my filament, and make jerky. Dual purpose.
lol your not wrong. And suddenly I want jerky.
I wonder how long it takes for someone to make a insulated one so you don't end up wasting 99% of your power on room heating...
It would take about 5 mins with a razor knife, toothpicks, hot glue, and pink insulation foam. Probably not fire marshal approved but a budget no name Chinese printer or even a DIY kit like a voron probably wouldnt be either. Hell you could just wrap the thing in tin foil and it would probably help insulate it.
The Cyclopes has ruined rolls of filament for me and others. I have seen people making a heat shield to keep the hot air blowing directly on the filament.
Good to see they addressed that issue on this iteration.
Not sure rotation is as important as lots of air circulation. The rotation would be far more important on the Cyclopes….
I remember you saying that the Cyclopes dryer was good But you did not like that the heating unit was in the center of the spool in the unit as many spools don't have the right sized hole in the spool to fit them due to the set size of that heater? So really the cyclopes has problems fitting most spool center holes so the amount of spools that can fit is limited.
It not a stepper motor, is a regular DC motor. you can easy se it with only 2 wire, stepper is 4 wiers or more.
Yeah that’s my mistake. I swore I read stepper but it does look like a DC motor.
I see a ton of creators on here storing their filament out in the open and I’ve never liked to do that myself. I just try to open the plastic in a way that allows me to reseal it with desiccant and put it back into the box to store on my shelf. Don’t look as cool but it stays dry 🤷🏻♂️
Here are a few things to remember.
Having a nice looking setup increases engagement.
Some of these creators likely go through less hygroscopic exposed filaments fast enough to where it doesn't matter.
Finally, much of the filament you hanging about is likely pla
@@dougshellusn I’m not judging anyone and I’m sure they all use more than me. BUT, I almost never hear anyone say that they’re running PLA once they attain “creator” status. I’m sure that’s what they have hanging around back there and it looks great, but I hope what works for them and you keeps working :)
@@stevekorzeniewski6895 I think if you were to ask, most of these creators have pla or maybe ASA/abs that they go through quickly if you see it out long term.
For storing, Eibos have a line of vacuum bags that use a USB powered pump. It is the EURUS filament storage system on their website. I got mine during the Kickstarter a few years ago and it is still working well for me. The bags are heavy gauge plastic with a double zip-lock style closure. Each bag has a plastic slider to help ensure it seals (instead of relying on a separate tool that can easily get lost). The pump screws onto the port so you have both hands free to either help the bag collapse properly (useful for cardboard spools), or so you can multi-task and do something else while pumping the bag down. My only complaint is the valve ends up in the center of the spool, protruding enough to cause a bulge in the spool box. It would have been nice if the valve was closer to one of the corners, but that might cause increased stress around the valve as the bag collapses causing bag failure. With the current valve location I haven't had a single bag fail on me, even on my most used spools.
@@Sembazuru right on ! Is that still available and for how much ? Thanks for this !!
I ordered 4 of the easdry units and they are the BEST filament melters/destroyers I own.
I took a thermocouple thermometer to them and on the lowest setting. Two of them stay stuck at 69C like if its just at max no matter the setting used. And the other two vary 5-10C which is just way too much. The control bords between the two sets are diffrent too it looks like the one that just goes to max is missing a component that my other two have.
All in all the easdry proved to be unreliable so not too optimistic about the brand in general
Just got mine today. Set up the upper housing, plugged in the power cord and it won't turn on .. sigh . Just contacted them
You can't say "Without further ado, let's get right into today's video" at 0:56 and then play an intro and a sponsor segment for the next 45 seconds 😅 That said, thanks for this review!
I uses to dry the filament under the sun, but not under direct sunlight 😊 and so far it works well for me 🎉
uv light degrades PLA over time.
Have Eibos send me one to test also. Thanks
Cyclopes is not good because you have to remember to manually rotate the spools periodically or it starts to melt the filament. Got rid of mine the day this new one arrived.
I really wish they made one for the 5kg spools.
You and me both. I need an xl dryer.
I have a cyclops and I find the lid super awkward to work with. I wish they would not run the filament through it. It doesn't look like they addressed that fault.
Is there any way to delete the print history on Sonic Pad? Please let me know because I can't find anything on it.
FDL-3 boards?
2:19 ouch, that print looks rough 💀
The Cyclopes is a faulty design, without adjustment plastic filament rolls become too hot and deform.
looks like the cost cut version of the former dryer
Thank you for this.?
Would the Easdry be that best option to dry PLA, HYdrofil, PVA or ABS over a week? What about simply putting them into a large box of Damprid? The rotation feature of the Polyphemus seems like it would help w softer filaments?
Dessicant alone won't do the trick
Hey Daniel I'm not subscribed to you're channel but you're videos used to be recommended often. I started thinking (I haven't seen a ModBot video in a while) searched for your channel and saw you have been posting videos but they're not being recommended (at least to me)
I don't know if there is anything you can do about that but maybe a thing to take up with TH-cam.
Nice but not hot enough. I want 80C drying as is recommended for a lot of ABS and ASA drying.
This looks like it will effectively keep your fillament dry once it is dry, but is not hot enough for inital drying.
I think fillament drying is the bigest segment that has room for improvement in our hobby. The current options are honestly abysmal.
"...a small STEPPER MOTOR to rotate the spools..."
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They cheaped out on the motor. It's just a cheap DC motor with a gear box. Probably plastic gears too.
They should have used an actual, small stepper motor like on 3D printers.
We already know that those things just run without issues.
Depending on how much space is on the enclosed part (bottom, black) one might be able to make something where one can mount a stepper motor.
To control it, a small Arduino Nano or smaller board could be used.
A better way to test this would be to have 2 identical spools left out in a high humidity environment, then weigh before and after running through the dryers. The sponge test doesn't really tell you anything.
As others have said, I don't know why people buy these expensive dryers over food dehydrators that do the same thing at half the cost. Until these companies offer units that can do 80+ degrees C, it's just not a compelling sale IMO.
Do you print from your food dehydrator? I started with one and didn’t like my spools laying down. I print directly from my dryers so I need them standing up to prevent filament from coming off the real.
@@ModBotArmyI have a cheap Sunlu dryer that I use to print out of if I'm doing nylon or something that needs to be kept dry during a print. Otherwise my food dehydrator does the heavy lifting of actually getting filament dry once it's wet.
@@nikwoac gotcha! That’s what I started with (the dehydrator). I also have a sunlu that has done fine for maintaining when I am doing a long print. I want a bigger dryer that can go even hotter. I guess the main concern with hotter is at what temp the spools start to degrade. I believe many are ABS but I am curious about the adhesive used on many of the cardboard spools. I would be bummed to watch them fall apart.
@@ModBotArmy that's a fair concern, and I probably wouldn't attempt drying at high temps on those spools unless the manufacturer specifically suggested it.
And for even less money than any of those machines you can get a food dryer and achieve the exact same results.
Yeah but printing from them sucks. That was my biggest issue previously. Laying down your filament and trying to print like that is a recipe for tangles.
@@ModBotArmy OK, but 99% of the time you don't actually need to print from them. Unless you always print materials like PC, PVA or Nylon, your filament isn't going to go bad over the duration of even a long print. If you haven't used an old spool of PLA for a year you might want to dry it, but then it's again good for a year. (I live in a very humid area)
It's not a stepper, it's just a DC great motor. Two wires are a dead giveaway.
Yeah that was my mistake. I thought I read stepper motor at some point but it is a DC motor.
I consider holes in lid as a fail. I bet You couldnt say it xD
I'm interested in you view of the cyclopes you have not mentioned the well documented problem of the heat directed to the material your drying and making it soft/fusing together as per this video th-cam.com/video/lgXyY6roClw/w-d-xo.html how did you get round the problem..
I have never had that issue. I have primarily used it for Nylons and higher temp PETGs but no fusing. I recently used it for TPU which is not high temp and also didnt run into the issue. So I am not sure if some are just setting it too hot for the material or if its specific units that are more affected.
PP-mode? LOL
PP is hidrophobic!
TO EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS
Mmm..bit of a solution looking for a problem.
You do realize that the environment a filament dryer or filament are in will greatly affect the performance? Say a place like Florida is going to do way worse than a place like Arizona.
The dryer is terrible, the filament does not heat above 45%, it is only suitable for drying PLA. It blows on the humidity sensor, meaning you won’t be able to maintain humidity either. The rotation function is horribly organized, to put it mildly!
Doesn't seem this brand is actually possible to buy in EU. That is something that should probably be mentioned in the video near the start to not waste people's time.
It says shipping from EU warehouse on the product page.
Looks like a v0.2🤣
Two months on the motor. This is a hard pass
That is too much power consumption for me to be interested
first comment, woo!
nice job man
My answer to wet filament.... don't live in a swamp state.
second comment, yes
once again only 70c 💩