The AAA Devs have been way too comfortable for too long, and games like BG3 and Elden Ring are a big wake-up call for them that they need to step up and stop making the games that are now just at this point ways for them to make money easier while having little for the consumer.
Fry, just so you know Destin has his own TH-cam channel - I believe it's separate from IGN but how he talks here is exactly how he talks about things on his own channel
the outrage for diablo IV skins can be logically proven correct for the following reasons: -skins and cosmetics are a motivation to play the game. call of duty 4 had skins you had to earn. it was a motivator. the game was structured around this. lots of games are structured around this. destiny one the rarest items and ships were the prize. when you got it. you were accomplished. you made a long journey. that no longer exists. you pay money. Whats the motivator now? more loot? for what? wheres the achivement? your just doing the same thing with bigger numbers. its not about the skins. its about the games being structured around working to acheive something. and they took that away. and replaced it with nothing. and now. the achievement. the ability to look the way you want. is only through money. many games have had their entire design and structures upended with no changes to account for that. the content is structured around being a place for people to show off how much money they spent. not how much they know about the game to get that armor set or how dedicated they are to have gotten the rarest skin. like the skull helmet in halo reach that took a long time to get. when you got it. the game was saying "hey. we acknowledge the work you put into the game. we appreciate your love of the game. here. have this. this is a trophy. its a symbol for our community. and a symbol for you. the people that make it all possible." doesnt exist anymore. instead its psychological conditioning. who cares if the game is "fun" when every dev worth anything can make something "fun" and just not stick their finger up your ass like that. by demanding that same time and energy and love from you. and throw addiction and habit forming tactics at you instead. because they hate you and want you to spend money. thats the real rub here. they design the games around achievement. and then take a big part of that achievement and sell it back to you.
what really busts my balls about the whole thing is it feels like such petty high school shit where the devs for BG3 did amazing on a test, and set the grading curve, and everyone else in the class is pissed that they worked hard, studied, and earned their good grade.
The point is don't buy their expensive content lacking buggy games, and then they cant make their terrible games, only then games will start to improve and these "developers" can go back to working as office workers selling expensive windows and doors
BG3 may be a AAA game, but it has an Indie heart. You can tell they actually *gave a shit* about their players' experiences instead of just our wallets. Love to see it.
Well it is an indie dev technically. Sven Vincke has the say in that company and he loves to play tge games he makes. No big publisher pulling the strings.
BG3 is so vast, and the immersion is so incredible, it feels like a golden age Bioware game. I feel like I'm playing Mass Effect or KOTOR for the first time, and am constantly being blown away. All these whiny devs are scared they'll need to actually try now, and they're sad that a small studio like Larian has embarrassed the fuck outta them.
Typical IGN, its poorly researched and got most the facts wrong. It's not the AAA devs crying. It's small indie devs that dont have 400+ employees that dont wont to be held to that standard which makes total sense.
@@acomaslip5212You are wrong on this one, employees of CDPR, bioware and many more agreed with the statement we should lower expectations towards games witch is insane statement...
Destin has always been the dark horse voice of IGN, he's been in the industry for so long and his takes are always nuanced and thought out, his critical thinking is top notch and, at least it seems, champions the consumer over the industry,
I love that Baldur’s Gate proves that games need to appeal to their audience, not attempt to appeal to everyone. I would have never guess a game that feels like a modern OG Fallout or Arcanum would be this popular.
People are fed up with mdoern triple A industry. And people start playing games outside of their comfort zone when they feel like it's just a good, solid game that doesn't try to nickel dime every ounce of money out of you. This happened with Elden Ring already.
@@dablazarus7303Buggy but all of their games have full mod support. People play Bethesda games for mods and also Bethesda doesn't release games they make canvases for aspiring modders
There's only afew major endings but every choice you make affects your story differently. All the Origins Characters have their own story ark's within the game world so just playing as a different character changes your game play experience.
Daaaaamn dude, Not gonna lie, my heart soared hearing this guy talk. Hitting every point on the head and making a lot of us feel validated! Turn based RPGs are not even my bag, but I know a good game when I see one. My roommate has been playing this and I think I will too. I'm picking this up and trying it, This Dev team earned it. Congratulations to Baldur's Gate 3!
Around the same time BG3 launched Bungie released their state of the game article, basically saying we their customers should be happy with "basic or bottom of the barrel quality" Fromsoft and Lerian have made great games and have set themselves apart from the rest of AAA developers, in my opinion developers who can release a quality product and show that the games industry can still make amazing games and get someone like me to finally buy a next gen system. Devs like Lerian and Fromsoft deserve to be in a category their own.
Exact shit happened when elden ring released, where you had developers tweeting shit like "poor graphics", "bad story", and yet baffled by the success of FS.
I just bought this today and binged it for 7 hours straight. I'm absolutely LOVING this game. They're setting the standard for gaming, and the fact that these bigger dev groups are getting upset speaks volume.
Usually I don't hesitate to download a game and try it before I buy, and even then I'll wait until a sale, but I bought BG3 day 1 at full price. Larian fully deserves all of the love they've been getting - they achieved something truly amazing. It's disgusting how AAA studios have tried gaslighting their audiences into accepting their subpar trash, buggy-ass releases. I would hope they take this as a wake-up call, but my cynical side is expecting them to learn nothing from this.
You know, there was a time when I was like 'It's not the devs, it's the suits up top that force rushed garbage', but after seeing all these devs come out both with Elden Ring and BG3 now. It's kind of making me feel like these devs want to cash an easy paycheck too. I'm hoping that there are plenty who aren't like this, but this is disheartening.
Larian should make a mock apology letter to the triple A devs apologizing for their game being better than theirs and see how they like getting a half assed written apology.
Honestly this is what made the gaming industry great. Devs that come out of nowhere and release a title that pushes the boundary in all categories. This was applauded by journalist and hell even other devs. Sad to see some coming out being like don't expect this from us it's an anomaly kind of situation.
I've been slowly coming to the realization that game studios need a hard cap on their size. 100-400 is the sweet spot I think. Anything over that and the quality of the product gets bad. If a studio gets too big they lose the script.
The most hilarious part is that dev companies/publishers only want the best artists that can produce the best looking stuff very fast, then they give them garbage deadlines and predatory monetization tactics to work with. Just incredibly arrogant of them.
The fact these AAA devs confirmed all of our assumptions about the space is FUCKING HILARIOUS! I’m glad Baldur’s Gate is making people upset. Fire video Fry! 🔥
Every industry needs someone to come along and redefine standards. Without that we get mumble rap. We get reality TV. Without that we get legacy politicians.
This guy is Destin. He has his own YT and has been keeping us all up to date with the microsft Activision deal. Hes also been a part of the Destiny community for a while. He is awesome and a very wholesome person. Deserves all the praise
No need to explain why we are seeing an RPG game on your channel instead of an FPS, BigFry. I for one welcome it with open arms!! I highly value your reviews/thoughts about games in general, no matter which genre
Dude, Destin has been with IGN for well over a decade. He more recently left (2020 I think) and is now just a contributor to some shows and a few videos here and there. He mainly runs his own TH-cam channel nowadays though.
Unfortunately even though this game is way more finished than most it is still riddled with bugs the further along the game you get. I still love it I still think it's amazing but it's disappointing that it's not as complete as it lets on
The amount of time players have been screwed over by companies, I think out expectations should infact be higher. Baldur’s Gate 3 is amazing. Easily one of the best games ever that I’ve played.
You attempt to roast AAA clowns: Rolled 20, critical success +4 from guidance cantrip! Seriously how can these 'developers' have lost all their passion for creating enjoyable products at a reasonable price.
"This is Rick Star level nonsense and only a few studios can try this." Yeah... Those being Indie Devs, and smaller B-Teir Studios. Triple-A Companies with Net Worths ranging from $33.11 billion to $71.41 billion, with thousands of employees under their employ are NOT one of those few studios. These AAA Devs have no excuse, especially since technology is getting better, and more consoles having more RAM and Processing Power should theoretically allow for more experimentation for larger and expansive levels with more complex styles of gameplay. These twists are just lazy and only want to focus on Short-Term gain!
This video has really been a game changer for me. IGN should pay this dude in gold. I felt exactly the same, someone from a big outlet, IGN no less, AT LAST voicing how I've been feeling for goddamn years.
I can't shake the feeling that No Man's Sky's """redemption arc""" and the existence of Gacha Games are the reason why it's acceptable for games to be broken microtransaction slop. The No Man Sky devs fixed the broken mess their game was after some years and were praised by the masses for it. Even though No Man's Sky should've been a working product from the start, they were forgiven nonetheless. These current devs expect you to forgive their broken games too. Gacha Games incorporate microtransactions as an immutable part of the core gameplay loop, with most having daily item/character pulls and time-out systems to ensure that their players continue being addicted to random luck dopamine and buy bulks of the time-replenish item using real money. Genshin Impact is one of the most well-known Gacha Games in the West along with Fate Grand Order and Arknights, but EA is the company that has long since specialized in creating Western Gacha Games with their Madden titles. Gacha Games never end and make CRAZY MONEY which is why every half-baked dev team wants a slice of that Addict Pie.
Baldurs gate is an amazing game, but I wouldn't say it necessarily "raised standards" by that much, it's that AAA studios have lowered our standards so thoroughly that when a game comes out that is functional, reasonably priced, has no micro-transactions or predatory dlcs, we consider that a once in a decade thing. The effort put into this game should be the Rule, Not the exception.
I thought I had all the good games experienced in the past, until I played Subnautica. Best game ever. Made with love and passion. Indie devs helped by a huge community. I do have hopes for the future
Man this video is an absolute banger dude, sums up literally EVERYTHING I've been thinking for the past 2 years, honestly what a great guy from IGN! 🤘🏻
Just as I'm starting to give up expecting better from modern games and feeling like I gotta lower my expectations, we get a game like this or Elden Ring that reminds us, "No! You should expect games from 2023 to have more quality and content than games that came out in the 2010's."
I love how they site that Larian has access to the D&D IP and that is a factor on why the gam is so successful. I would just like to point out that MANY studios have had access to WH40K franchise and we are yet to see a game comparable to this. The fact that having lore/worlds to build from and no one else can be arsed to use them isn't a reason for you to make shitty games AAA companies, you're just being held to account from people that actually care.
my wife has had baldurs gate for over 2 years years she played the first chapter ever playing a dnd style game before. and she was hyped for a release. she heard baldurs gate 3 was gonna be a while. i recently told her the other day its full release and doing awesome. she super excited and wants me to buy it. so we can coop. it took them a long a while but that is how all early access titles are. good to see the studio come out and come out shit stain free
I’ve been keeping my eye on BG3 since it was in early access and when it was announced it was coming to PS5 I was beyond stoked. I’m a huge fan of D&D and CRPGs. Can’t wait to play it in September alongside Armored Core 6
Basically what these AAA companies are saying is "this cant be used as the golden standard because were greedy and we don't want to make you a good game we just want your money, please buy the battle pass!" Companies like FromSoft are the real AAA hero's who constantly define what quality in gaming is
We all need to go like that IGN video to show them that’s the direction they need to go in. We need their help to put pressure on these AAA cash grabs.
Baldurs gate is absolutely the best game ive played in years… I want more of this man. Like it’s impossible to get a game with real impactful choices anymore its a real breath of fresh air to rpg players in a world of linear story telling in role playing games.
My one biggest gripe with BG3 is the multiplayer. If you start a campaign and invite 3 friends in you're now locked out of being able to do a massive chunk of the games quests because you literally can't swap out any of those characters with the origin characters that are necessary for a number of the quest chains. The worst part about this is that the devs have confirmed that this is an intentional game design choice following on from doing the same in the divinity series which people also hated.
So you want to play with friends for a shortwhile, then bin them off and carry on the same game in single player? Call me crazy but, why not just have a multiplayer game, AND a single player save also?
@@JimDuggan-tq2lv Nah we have 3 of us playing regularly and the 4th joined us for one night... now we're wanting to swap that 4th out to get the origins in to do their quest chains but instead we have to start again if we want that.
@@Malonik Right gotcha. Yeah that's pretty annoying I guess, but it's just another night of playing you need if you start again in your case. Might be worth it.
So let me see if i understand this drama, AAA devs are saying that we can't expect good games after baldurs gate 3 success becouse blah blah making games is hard and they expect us to shut up and accept their sh$t for full price?🤨
what’s the money on this guy getting blacklisted by AAA studios for lightly touching on the truth. or IGN whispering in his ear to stop calling out AAA studios because they are getting emails.
Honestly, I am a gamer that had lost my gaming mojo. I honestly haven't really completed any game for years, I've bought a few, started them and lost interest. That includes games of the same genre as BG3. And here I am, with 30+ hours put into BG3 and I am immensely enjoying it. I'm not even done with Act I yet and I am already planning to do a second playthrough. This game is absolute golden, it's in my opinion the best thing released in years.
I respect channels who endorses games/genre which they might not usually play but recognizes how special BG3. Wordy of mouth is truly a powerful thing and if by endorsing this game brings more new players to BG3 then that's another massive win for Larian and the gaming community.
There's always hope. As a musician I could look at the modern music industry and be pessimistic. Yet I some how find more and more amazing bands and musicians. There are always people doing amazing things. Don't look to the hive mind for it. That's where the shit rises up. It is the small guys with a dream that make wonders reality.
Tbh them saying that makes me think that BG3 should be the new standard. The triple A studios are in shambles. I mean look at the state of RedFall when that shit was released.
This is what it looks like when you make a game for gamers and not for shareholders. When you don't release a broken piece of trash every year, loaded with micro transactions, to milk us of our money. These devs in these big studios are delusional 😂
Great video BigfryTV glad to see Destin saying this sort of thing because we do need a new standard and hold AAA devs accountable and I'm no expert on game design but still that doesn't mean that devs should only care about the shareholders and money they need to care more about the players because if AAA devs start doing some shady shit or doing a half assed job on their game then we need to either stop buying their games to start buying games from devs who actually care.
The best part in the production of BG3 was how early access felt like early access, in a sense that the devs listened to the community, but not to the point of losing their vision.
Fry, Destin has been there at IGN forever. He's one of the few true gaming journos left there. I remember several years ago one of the dumb arses at IGN said that consoles (PS4/XB1) are superior because they record a video on the fly. Destin cut him off and said, "Umm, no, nVidia can record a short clip as well." The other guy was obviously pissed, doubled down and got flack online for it.
Such an odd thing to say as a Dev. Like, what is it about Baldur's Gate 3 that we shouldn't expect in other games? Such a weird thing to say to consumers
Some people shop with QUALITY in mind above all else. Lowering quality will get you in the end. Lowering quality leaves the door open for someone to grab your business from you. This is what the AAA developers are actually upset about. They have been lowering quality without people realizing it for near a decade. When a game like BG3 comes along it brings that into the light. They will scrutinized now as much as they should've always been.
The thing about Baldurs Gate 3 and Larian Studios as a whole is that its 450 employees who are purely working on this game and nothing else which hardly any studios that size are fully focused on one game. Insomniac and Naughty Dog have around the same amount of employees but are split between a bunch of projects yet they still produce incredible games.
It's crazy that when a new game comes out, the collective opinion is to wait for the bugs and performance issues to be fixed before buying it. It's almost like if the devs spent an extra couple months the game would just work on launch instead of being broken for weeks.
You know the funny thing is that the tweet made by Ryan McCabe is the Design Manager for Insomniac. You know the guy who works for the company making the upcoming Marvel’s Spider-Man 2. I saw that tweet and had to laugh. Because now if he as a dev is saying that I’m worried for that game. It means we might have the same issue as Jedi Survivor with us launch.
I remember back in the day when we could rely on gaming companies who brought good quality games to the people, without predatory monitization, like Blizzard games had a quality with it, all their games they released was polished and was fun on arrival! It was a long time ago now though, I and everyone I know ended up disliking Blizzard after all their stunts over these past years and unfortunately many other companies doing the same. I hope that we as gamers, show the developers that we won't take their crap anymore. Vote with the wallet people, don't buy their shit games and for the love of god, DO NOT pre-order games, always wait for a review and no paid reviews who gives shit games 9 out of 10, or 10 out of 10. After a game is released, give it a few days before even considering buying it and trust me, if a game is bad, it will be all over the internet, saving your hard earned cash.
This game was original not on my radar, but my friend and I have been hooked. I never really cared for the D&D style, but this is different. This game is soo much fun
That response is probably why I've subconsciously gravitated away from mainstream games. Those developers just don't get it. They give us games we don't want ALL THE TIME.
Idk why Triple A Devs are getting upset about this, didn't Rockstar like level of scope increase the quality of Open World genres as a whole? It's also not just Rockstar as well, Saint's Row, Saints Row 2 and hell even Saints Row the third, It's the same with Bethesda's RPG titles from Morrowind to even the Jank Fallout 76. Like wasn't this how we got here, Massive Scope that was never promised, didn't under deliver, didn't release a mess, it instead gave us a game that stood higher than the others and later became a great foundation of ideas. This is why I have a sliver of hope hidden away for Starfield, after the Larian debacle it only gave me more respect for Bethesda because they made a game that's out of the scope of 99% of the industry. It's kinda funny listening to people's reaction on how feature rich Starfield was, then there I sat dumbfounded they would complain it has so much in it when 10 years earlier these feature rich games existed already, there's my rant deffo gonna be called a shill, anyways have a nice day.
The only argument I could see being a credible counter point is Dev crunch time. The issue is, we shouldn't push for a standard for the Devs per se, but rather expectations from Execs, Boardmembers, and CEOs should be changed since it tends to be on management why these games release in poor states, over-monetized, and might be fixed later.
Man have you seen Larian's CEO? The man is mad passionate about D&D and RPGs in general, and it shows in the final product. Larian made a game they wanted to play, and it is shining a light on game development.
10 years ago. $20 get you a skylander. An Activision title. With physical lootbox even in last iteration. BUT at least it was a physical asset, in a game, that you could trade, upgrade and take and play on other systems. NOW $20 get's you a bonus kick in the nuts. The insult to your injury will be a further tenner.
Love it when the AAA devs say the quiet part out loud! What are your thoughts on this situation and Baldurs Gate 3 as a whole? Let me know down below!
We need to start forcing AAA to higher standards. They've gotten lazy and entitled thinking their dog shit skins are worth 20$.
The AAA Devs have been way too comfortable for too long, and games like BG3 and Elden Ring are a big wake-up call for them that they need to step up and stop making the games that are now just at this point ways for them to make money easier while having little for the consumer.
Fry, just so you know Destin has his own TH-cam channel - I believe it's separate from IGN but how he talks here is exactly how he talks about things on his own channel
the outrage for diablo IV skins can be logically proven correct for the following reasons:
-skins and cosmetics are a motivation to play the game. call of duty 4 had skins you had to earn. it was a motivator. the game was structured around this. lots of games are structured around this. destiny one the rarest items and ships were the prize. when you got it. you were accomplished. you made a long journey.
that no longer exists. you pay money. Whats the motivator now? more loot? for what? wheres the achivement? your just doing the same thing with bigger numbers. its not about the skins. its about the games being structured around working to acheive something. and they took that away. and replaced it with nothing. and now. the achievement. the ability to look the way you want. is only through money. many games have had their entire design and structures upended with no changes to account for that. the content is structured around being a place for people to show off how much money they spent. not how much they know about the game to get that armor set or how dedicated they are to have gotten the rarest skin. like the skull helmet in halo reach that took a long time to get. when you got it. the game was saying "hey. we acknowledge the work you put into the game. we appreciate your love of the game. here. have this. this is a trophy. its a symbol for our community. and a symbol for you. the people that make it all possible."
doesnt exist anymore. instead its psychological conditioning. who cares if the game is "fun" when every dev worth anything can make something "fun" and just not stick their finger up your ass like that. by demanding that same time and energy and love from you. and throw addiction and habit forming tactics at you instead. because they hate you and want you to spend money.
thats the real rub here. they design the games around achievement. and then take a big part of that achievement and sell it back to you.
what really busts my balls about the whole thing is it feels like such petty high school shit where the devs for BG3 did amazing on a test, and set the grading curve, and everyone else in the class is pissed that they worked hard, studied, and earned their good grade.
It's hilarious that AAA game devs are getting worried that they will have to actually make quality games now
Lmao, yeah... god forbid!!! 😂😂😂
Ya its seriously sad that they are trying to get away with making shit games on purpose
True. lol xD
Mojang shuddering at the concept of 30 minutes of hard work
maybe they will start making the same quality of games which they made before the 2010s
Cant believe these AAA companies have the guts to ask people to not expect for innovation and improvement. Whats the point anymore?
like.. you KNOW its bad when IGN is calling you out LOL
@@BigfryTV Yeah, they messed up hard
The point is don't buy their expensive content lacking buggy games, and then they cant make their terrible games, only then games will start to improve and these "developers" can go back to working as office workers selling expensive windows and doors
@@XPLOSIVization Agree, use your money as a vote tool
Yeah, whats new? Its why no game has been enjoyable in the slightest in a LOOOOOOONG time lol.
BG3 may be a AAA game, but it has an Indie heart. You can tell they actually *gave a shit* about their players' experiences instead of just our wallets. Love to see it.
Well it is an indie dev technically. Sven Vincke has the say in that company and he loves to play tge games he makes. No big publisher pulling the strings.
It’s a AA game, but the point still stands
They’re indie.
AAA games have funding up the ass breh Valhalla Madden make billions those are AAA games it a huge difference
These greedy devs and publishers definitely need to be humbled
Its good to see everyone talk about this!
Quit making clickbait
Click baiters needa be humbled aswell
surprised ANYBODY watches your videos.
BG3 is so vast, and the immersion is so incredible, it feels like a golden age Bioware game. I feel like I'm playing Mass Effect or KOTOR for the first time, and am constantly being blown away.
All these whiny devs are scared they'll need to actually try now, and they're sad that a small studio like Larian has embarrassed the fuck outta them.
Hashtag 'doubt'
@@ericexaybachay doubt is a good thing to have these days but give this game a try,maybe you will end up liking it :3
@Gamersway321go yep not every genre will vibe for everyone.
Larian isn't small as much as they are independent.
They’re definitely not a small studio, they just don’t have greedy bosses
A voice of reason coming from IGN? Destin will probably need to update his resume soon
Typical IGN, its poorly researched and got most the facts wrong. It's not the AAA devs crying. It's small indie devs that dont have 400+ employees that dont wont to be held to that standard which makes total sense.
@@acomaslip5212You are wrong on this one, employees of CDPR, bioware and many more agreed with the statement we should lower expectations towards games witch is insane statement...
The only standard they setup for every company indie or not is make fun a finished game with no predatory monetization. I know sounds crazy in 2023
@@acomaslip5212yes they did. Many AAA devs agreed with the Indy dev
@@machinainc5812 Good. They should. The indie dev was right.
Destin has always been the dark horse voice of IGN, he's been in the industry for so long and his takes are always nuanced and thought out, his critical thinking is top notch and, at least it seems, champions the consumer over the industry,
I love that Baldur’s Gate proves that games need to appeal to their audience, not attempt to appeal to everyone. I would have never guess a game that feels like a modern OG Fallout or Arcanum would be this popular.
People are fed up with mdoern triple A industry.
And people start playing games outside of their comfort zone when they feel like it's just a good, solid game that doesn't try to nickel dime every ounce of money out of you.
This happened with Elden Ring already.
It's crazy that a game like this in its genre is getting so much attention.
Shows that people are STARVED for a good singleplayer/co-op, Story Driven RPG.
Wait until Starfield breaks Steam lol
@@BigfryTV yeah I'm very excited for starfield. hoping the hype is well deserved
@@kiryu_kazuma168
1. Put out shit game for 70 bucks
2. Abandon game
3. Use money to make new shit game
4. Repeat
@@BigfryTV Bethesda is probably pooping bricks right now. We all know they love their buggy releases.
@@dablazarus7303Buggy but all of their games have full mod support. People play Bethesda games for mods and also Bethesda doesn't release games they make canvases for aspiring modders
Baldurs gate 3 is a game I didnt think i would like but ive really been enjoying it.
I love to hear that, man!
My only holdback from getting it is wanting to play the first two lol
@@R.O.U.S.
@@R.O.U.S.The first 2 don't matter. Larian said the story for BG3 stands alone.
@@R.O.U.S. first 2 were made in the 90s so good luck with that
This game has 17,000 different endings i saw. Ducking insane 10/10
While it is kinda deceiving, the game is a different ending for every single conversation choice and every single enemy killed or not killed.
It's likely only a handful of endings with slight variations.
There's only afew major endings but every choice you make affects your story differently. All the Origins Characters have their own story ark's within the game world so just playing as a different character changes your game play experience.
What? 17000 with a slight wording difference?
17,000 different possibilities, not endings. Kind of like a spiders web
Daaaaamn dude, Not gonna lie, my heart soared hearing this guy talk. Hitting every point on the head and making a lot of us feel validated! Turn based RPGs are not even my bag, but I know a good game when I see one. My roommate has been playing this and I think I will too. I'm picking this up and trying it, This Dev team earned it. Congratulations to Baldur's Gate 3!
Around the same time BG3 launched Bungie released their state of the game article, basically saying we their customers should be happy with "basic or bottom of the barrel quality" Fromsoft and Lerian have made great games and have set themselves apart from the rest of AAA developers, in my opinion developers who can release a quality product and show that the games industry can still make amazing games and get someone like me to finally buy a next gen system. Devs like Lerian and Fromsoft deserve to be in a category their own.
Same with elden ring
Know this, and this will continue.
So glad AAA companies are scared.
Glad there are indie devs and smaller studios
All these AAA devs rolling 1's on their initiative and charisma rolls
Bungie intentionally spec'd their CHR at 4. Fuck them.
“Don’t overdeliver you’ll set a pattern.” -Bungie
Bungie didn't deliver anything worthwhile. They got carried to the finish line by Activision and Vicarious Visions.
Bungie haven’t even been able to get to the shipping stage let alone deliver
Exact shit happened when elden ring released, where you had developers tweeting shit like "poor graphics", "bad story", and yet baffled by the success of FS.
"They made a finished game with no micro transactions? What a bunch of assholes!" - AAA devs
Baldur's Gate 3 isn't usually my kind of game but seeing how well it's done I'm definitely giving it a go
I have over 350 hours in BG3 atm and I'm so loving it. I've been following shadowheart's story and it's absolutely amazing.
I just bought this today and binged it for 7 hours straight. I'm absolutely LOVING this game. They're setting the standard for gaming, and the fact that these bigger dev groups are getting upset speaks volume.
Bro me too 😂. Looked up and it was midnight all of a sudden.
Hahaha these extended sessions really make me feel like im a 11yr old on a saturday morning again. I love it
Triple A companies have become more pathetic than ever, absolutely time to ditch Activision, EA, Ubisoft and the others
Haven't bought a single game from them in the past 3 + years ! Take notes boys.
Usually I don't hesitate to download a game and try it before I buy, and even then I'll wait until a sale, but I bought BG3 day 1 at full price. Larian fully deserves all of the love they've been getting - they achieved something truly amazing. It's disgusting how AAA studios have tried gaslighting their audiences into accepting their subpar trash, buggy-ass releases. I would hope they take this as a wake-up call, but my cynical side is expecting them to learn nothing from this.
Deja vu from that awesome response elden ring got... Man these AAA devs nowadays are so out of touch.
most devs are not even gamers now days
You know, there was a time when I was like 'It's not the devs, it's the suits up top that force rushed garbage', but after seeing all these devs come out both with Elden Ring and BG3 now. It's kind of making me feel like these devs want to cash an easy paycheck too. I'm hoping that there are plenty who aren't like this, but this is disheartening.
Larian should make a mock apology letter to the triple A devs apologizing for their game being better than theirs and see how they like getting a half assed written apology.
Now AAA studios actually have to make a great game the first time without game breaking bugs at launch/glitches at launch!
“BG3 shouldn’t be used as a raised standard for the genre.”
You’re right. It should be used as a raised standard for the ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
Honestly this is what made the gaming industry great. Devs that come out of nowhere and release a title that pushes the boundary in all categories. This was applauded by journalist and hell even other devs. Sad to see some coming out being like don't expect this from us it's an anomaly kind of situation.
I've been slowly coming to the realization that game studios need a hard cap on their size. 100-400 is the sweet spot I think. Anything over that and the quality of the product gets bad. If a studio gets too big they lose the script.
The most hilarious part is that dev companies/publishers only want the best artists that can produce the best looking stuff very fast, then they give them garbage deadlines and predatory monetization tactics to work with. Just incredibly arrogant of them.
The fact these AAA devs confirmed all of our assumptions about the space is FUCKING HILARIOUS! I’m glad Baldur’s Gate is making people upset.
Fire video Fry! 🔥
Every industry needs someone to come along and redefine standards. Without that we get mumble rap. We get reality TV. Without that we get legacy politicians.
They forgot we set who is AAA not them
@1:10 AAA: Make sure your expectations are in check!
🍟: No
This guy is Destin. He has his own YT and has been keeping us all up to date with the microsft Activision deal. Hes also been a part of the Destiny community for a while. He is awesome and a very wholesome person. Deserves all the praise
this dude needs a raise
"Oh no we have to actually try how dare you 😢" - AAA Studios probably
The fine IGN man is Destin, he got his own channel too!
No need to explain why we are seeing an RPG game on your channel instead of an FPS, BigFry. I for one welcome it with open arms!! I highly value your reviews/thoughts about games in general, no matter which genre
Dude, Destin has been with IGN for well over a decade. He more recently left (2020 I think) and is now just a contributor to some shows and a few videos here and there.
He mainly runs his own TH-cam channel nowadays though.
Destin has his own youtube channel. I 100% agree with him.
Yep, I watch him regularly too.
Unfortunately even though this game is way more finished than most it is still riddled with bugs the further along the game you get. I still love it I still think it's amazing but it's disappointing that it's not as complete as it lets on
I was actually waiting for a video covering this about Baldurs Gate 3.
It ended up even better than i thought. 👍
The amount of time players have been screwed over by companies, I think out expectations should infact be higher. Baldur’s Gate 3 is amazing. Easily one of the best games ever that I’ve played.
You attempt to roast AAA clowns: Rolled 20, critical success +4 from guidance cantrip!
Seriously how can these 'developers' have lost all their passion for creating enjoyable products at a reasonable price.
"This is Rick Star level nonsense and only a few studios can try this."
Yeah... Those being Indie Devs, and smaller B-Teir Studios. Triple-A Companies with Net Worths ranging from $33.11 billion to $71.41 billion, with thousands of employees under their employ are NOT one of those few studios. These AAA Devs have no excuse, especially since technology is getting better, and more consoles having more RAM and Processing Power should theoretically allow for more experimentation for larger and expansive levels with more complex styles of gameplay. These twists are just lazy and only want to focus on Short-Term gain!
This video has really been a game changer for me. IGN should pay this dude in gold. I felt exactly the same, someone from a big outlet, IGN no less, AT LAST voicing how I've been feeling for goddamn years.
I can't shake the feeling that No Man's Sky's """redemption arc""" and the existence of Gacha Games are the reason why it's acceptable for games to be broken microtransaction slop.
The No Man Sky devs fixed the broken mess their game was after some years and were praised by the masses for it. Even though No Man's Sky should've been a working product from the start, they were forgiven nonetheless. These current devs expect you to forgive their broken games too.
Gacha Games incorporate microtransactions as an immutable part of the core gameplay loop, with most having daily item/character pulls and time-out systems to ensure that their players continue being addicted to random luck dopamine and buy bulks of the time-replenish item using real money.
Genshin Impact is one of the most well-known Gacha Games in the West along with Fate Grand Order and Arknights, but EA is the company that has long since specialized in creating Western Gacha Games with their Madden titles.
Gacha Games never end and make CRAZY MONEY which is why every half-baked dev team wants a slice of that Addict Pie.
Baldurs gate is an amazing game, but I wouldn't say it necessarily "raised standards" by that much, it's that AAA studios have lowered our standards so thoroughly that when a game comes out that is functional, reasonably priced, has no micro-transactions or predatory dlcs, we consider that a once in a decade thing. The effort put into this game should be the Rule, Not the exception.
This IS the new standard. Better sharpen those pencils and take notes, developers.
“Oh no, the players want quality finished feature rich titles. What do we do?!”
Larian Studios is from Ghent, Belgium! I am pretty proud of that being Belgian!
I thought I had all the good games experienced in the past, until I played Subnautica. Best game ever. Made with love and passion.
Indie devs helped by a huge community.
I do have hopes for the future
How dare consumers enjoy product they paid money for. How dare consumers expect quality and finished game without micro transactions.
Man this video is an absolute banger dude, sums up literally EVERYTHING I've been thinking for the past 2 years, honestly what a great guy from IGN! 🤘🏻
Just as I'm starting to give up expecting better from modern games and feeling like I gotta lower my expectations, we get a game like this or Elden Ring that reminds us, "No! You should expect games from 2023 to have more quality and content than games that came out in the 2010's."
I love how they site that Larian has access to the D&D IP and that is a factor on why the gam is so successful. I would just like to point out that MANY studios have had access to WH40K franchise and we are yet to see a game comparable to this. The fact that having lore/worlds to build from and no one else can be arsed to use them isn't a reason for you to make shitty games AAA companies, you're just being held to account from people that actually care.
my wife has had baldurs gate for over 2 years years she played the first chapter ever playing a dnd style game before. and she was hyped for a release. she heard baldurs gate 3 was gonna be a while. i recently told her the other day its full release and doing awesome. she super excited and wants me to buy it. so we can coop. it took them a long a while but that is how all early access titles are. good to see the studio come out and come out shit stain free
I’ve been keeping my eye on BG3 since it was in early access and when it was announced it was coming to PS5 I was beyond stoked. I’m a huge fan of D&D and CRPGs. Can’t wait to play it in September alongside Armored Core 6
"Don't you dare raise your expectations on us, we don't want to put out quality products!" - AAA devs being angry at Baldur Gate's 3 success
I didn't play DnD in my life, but i can say this game is just Perfection.
Meanwhile I'm playing both Kenshi and Baldurs Gate 3
I'm not a D&D fan or a RPG gamer but loving Baldur's Gate 3.
Great story, not a bug fest and not micro BS...
Basically what these AAA companies are saying is "this cant be used as the golden standard because were greedy and we don't want to make you a good game we just want your money, please buy the battle pass!" Companies like FromSoft are the real AAA hero's who constantly define what quality in gaming is
We all need to go like that IGN video to show them that’s the direction they need to go in. We need their help to put pressure on these AAA cash grabs.
Good comments in your video Bigfry, thanks man! Let's hope IGN finally does more vids like these
Baldurs gate is absolutely the best game ive played in years… I want more of this man. Like it’s impossible to get a game with real impactful choices anymore its a real breath of fresh air to rpg players in a world of linear story telling in role playing games.
My one biggest gripe with BG3 is the multiplayer. If you start a campaign and invite 3 friends in you're now locked out of being able to do a massive chunk of the games quests because you literally can't swap out any of those characters with the origin characters that are necessary for a number of the quest chains. The worst part about this is that the devs have confirmed that this is an intentional game design choice following on from doing the same in the divinity series which people also hated.
So you want to play with friends for a shortwhile, then bin them off and carry on the same game in single player? Call me crazy but, why not just have a multiplayer game, AND a single player save also?
@@JimDuggan-tq2lv Nah we have 3 of us playing regularly and the 4th joined us for one night... now we're wanting to swap that 4th out to get the origins in to do their quest chains but instead we have to start again if we want that.
@@Malonik Right gotcha. Yeah that's pretty annoying I guess, but it's just another night of playing you need if you start again in your case. Might be worth it.
So let me see if i understand this drama, AAA devs are saying that we can't expect good games after baldurs gate 3 success becouse blah blah making games is hard and they expect us to shut up and accept their sh$t for full price?🤨
Basically.😂😂
what’s the money on this guy getting blacklisted by AAA studios for lightly touching on the truth. or IGN whispering in his ear to stop calling out AAA studios because they are getting emails.
Honestly, I am a gamer that had lost my gaming mojo. I honestly haven't really completed any game for years, I've bought a few, started them and lost interest. That includes games of the same genre as BG3.
And here I am, with 30+ hours put into BG3 and I am immensely enjoying it. I'm not even done with Act I yet and I am already planning to do a second playthrough. This game is absolute golden, it's in my opinion the best thing released in years.
it’s wild the game developers even FEEL they can tell us not to expect a functional game
I respect channels who endorses games/genre which they might not usually play but recognizes how special BG3. Wordy of mouth is truly a powerful thing and if by endorsing this game brings more new players to BG3 then that's another massive win for Larian and the gaming community.
6:11 "That game is a quuu.." Lmao
As long as games like Elden Ring and baldur's gate can get made ill continue to hold a little faith.
There's always hope. As a musician I could look at the modern music industry and be pessimistic. Yet I some how find more and more amazing bands and musicians. There are always people doing amazing things. Don't look to the hive mind for it. That's where the shit rises up. It is the small guys with a dream that make wonders reality.
Tbh them saying that makes me think that BG3 should be the new standard. The triple A studios are in shambles. I mean look at the state of RedFall when that shit was released.
This is what it looks like when you make a game for gamers and not for shareholders. When you don't release a broken piece of trash every year, loaded with micro transactions, to milk us of our money. These devs in these big studios are delusional 😂
Great video BigfryTV glad to see Destin saying this sort of thing because we do need a new standard and hold AAA devs accountable and I'm no expert on game design but still that doesn't mean that devs should only care about the shareholders and money they need to care more about the players because if AAA devs start doing some shady shit or doing a half assed job on their game then we need to either stop buying their games to start buying games from devs who actually care.
The best part in the production of BG3 was how early access felt like early access, in a sense that the devs listened to the community, but not to the point of losing their vision.
Fry, Destin has been there at IGN forever. He's one of the few true gaming journos left there. I remember several years ago one of the dumb arses at IGN said that consoles (PS4/XB1) are superior because they record a video on the fly. Destin cut him off and said, "Umm, no, nVidia can record a short clip as well." The other guy was obviously pissed, doubled down and got flack online for it.
Wow ign hires anyone
Remnant 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 back to back showcase two W games in a row. Keep it movin', smaller spaces.
Such an odd thing to say as a Dev. Like, what is it about Baldur's Gate 3 that we shouldn't expect in other games? Such a weird thing to say to consumers
You know having a salesman as a boss has taught me one thing, they will do anything to sell more but improving the products
Some people shop with QUALITY in mind above all else. Lowering quality will get you in the end. Lowering quality leaves the door open for someone to grab your business from you. This is what the AAA developers are actually upset about. They have been lowering quality without people realizing it for near a decade. When a game like BG3 comes along it brings that into the light. They will scrutinized now as much as they should've always been.
The thing about Baldurs Gate 3 and Larian Studios as a whole is that its 450 employees who are purely working on this game and nothing else which hardly any studios that size are fully focused on one game. Insomniac and Naughty Dog have around the same amount of employees but are split between a bunch of projects yet they still produce incredible games.
Sounds like these studios should focus on making one amazing game instead of multiple half baked games.
Xalavier Nelson like saints row 5 so his points invalid
It's crazy that when a new game comes out, the collective opinion is to wait for the bugs and performance issues to be fixed before buying it. It's almost like if the devs spent an extra couple months the game would just work on launch instead of being broken for weeks.
Destin been there for years doing takes like this
You know the funny thing is that the tweet made by Ryan McCabe is the Design Manager for Insomniac. You know the guy who works for the company making the upcoming Marvel’s Spider-Man 2. I saw that tweet and had to laugh. Because now if he as a dev is saying that I’m worried for that game. It means we might have the same issue as Jedi Survivor with us launch.
you know a game is good when other devs are getting mad from it.
@7:20 Nice dodecagon shaped hats they have 😅
I remember back in the day when we could rely on gaming companies who brought good quality games to the people, without predatory monitization, like Blizzard games had a quality with it, all their games they released was polished and was fun on arrival! It was a long time ago now though, I and everyone I know ended up disliking Blizzard after all their stunts over these past years and unfortunately many other companies doing the same. I hope that we as gamers, show the developers that we won't take their crap anymore. Vote with the wallet people, don't buy their shit games and for the love of god, DO NOT pre-order games, always wait for a review and no paid reviews who gives shit games 9 out of 10, or 10 out of 10. After a game is released, give it a few days before even considering buying it and trust me, if a game is bad, it will be all over the internet, saving your hard earned cash.
Destin is always on the xbox showcase panel for IGN, he usually critiques the showcase while Macaffrey talks everything up.
This game was original not on my radar, but my friend and I have been hooked. I never really cared for the D&D style, but this is different. This game is soo much fun
That response is probably why I've subconsciously gravitated away from mainstream games. Those developers just don't get it. They give us games we don't want ALL THE TIME.
I'm sad that BG3 isn't very popular among my TTRPG group, I'd love to run some regular sessions with a group.
Idk why Triple A Devs are getting upset about this, didn't Rockstar like level of scope increase the quality of Open World genres as a whole? It's also not just Rockstar as well, Saint's Row, Saints Row 2 and hell even Saints Row the third, It's the same with Bethesda's RPG titles from Morrowind to even the Jank Fallout 76. Like wasn't this how we got here, Massive Scope that was never promised, didn't under deliver, didn't release a mess, it instead gave us a game that stood higher than the others and later became a great foundation of ideas. This is why I have a sliver of hope hidden away for Starfield, after the Larian debacle it only gave me more respect for Bethesda because they made a game that's out of the scope of 99% of the industry. It's kinda funny listening to people's reaction on how feature rich Starfield was, then there I sat dumbfounded they would complain it has so much in it when 10 years earlier these feature rich games existed already, there's my rant deffo gonna be called a shill, anyways have a nice day.
they're mad because they have publishers making them make shit, while Larian publishes their own game so they can do what they want
The only argument I could see being a credible counter point is Dev crunch time. The issue is, we shouldn't push for a standard for the Devs per se, but rather expectations from Execs, Boardmembers, and CEOs should be changed since it tends to be on management why these games release in poor states, over-monetized, and might be fixed later.
Man have you seen Larian's CEO? The man is mad passionate about D&D and RPGs in general, and it shows in the final product. Larian made a game they wanted to play, and it is shining a light on game development.
10 years ago. $20 get you a skylander. An Activision title. With physical lootbox even in last iteration. BUT at least it was a physical asset, in a game, that you could trade, upgrade and take and play on other systems. NOW $20 get's you a bonus kick in the nuts. The insult to your injury will be a further tenner.