Bernie Sanders on Billionaires, Healthcare and How To Get Rid of Trumpism | FULL INTERVIEW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2024
- From this special live one-off event, Russell Howard sat down with Senator Bernie Sanders to discuss his latest book, his stance on US politics, and what he hopes for the future of politics.
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I worked with Bernie on his 2016 campaign, he is genuinely one of the kindest, most empathetic people I have ever met. He never brushed off a conversation even though we weren’t incredibly important people. He doesn’t want to be a hero, he actually does the work to be one.
And you got Trump instead. It's so messed up.
I did the same thing back in 2016, you're right he is fantastic as a person. The best president we never had.
Bernie got shafted by Hillary then by Biden. Bernie is for the people and always has.
Omg how freaking great is that!??!!! Bless you for the effort, y’all did an amazing job! I was a big supporter 💜✌️
@@Masanumi 💗 and that’s an understatement 😂 it’s been a nightmare, a coked out fever dream since November 2016…
I went to a Bernie rally back in September 2019 at Queensbridge, NYC. People were lined up outside the park for blocks just to hear him talk. It was absolutely magical to see him standing up at the podium, talking about real problems and how we can solve them. I've never before or since seen an American politician end a speech with, "Turn to the person on your left, now turn to the person on your right. If you're willing to defend that person's rights as a fellow citizen, I want you to tell them 'I will fight for you.' " And everyone did. It was very moving.
that actually made me choke up.
That makes me feel very emotional!
As an American, Bernie's continued fight for the ACTUAL "American Dream" which was meant for all citizens is a ray of hope in all the political muck. 👏👏👏👍👍👍
Bahahahahaha he sold his supporters out for the establishment. He let the Democrats control him. Bernie use to be against all wars and now he is a war pig. If you supported him in 16 and 2020 he sold you out.
How can someone who has never had a job in his life have any clue what the actual American Dream is. This man is a moron who doesn't understand how the world works. It blows my mind that people still believe this idiot and have made him incredibly wealthy embracing capitalism as he pretends capitalism is bad and socialism is the answer.
WHY DOES people not vote him? He would stop the unnecessary wars. He is a smart person.
How can a low paid American single mother survive a 4 day working week?
Bernie the con artist, getting richer each time he preach socialism
What a legend this man is. Such humility and intelligence. We need many more politicians like him in the world.
Thanks for talking to Bernie, Russell. This interview is so important. You handled it with immense respect as well as humour. Bravo you!
you can hear the sound?
Yes, thank you Russell.
Wtf do you mean I am a socialist so do support people like Sanders but to say this interview is important is like saying the Muppet show was important to cinema interesting yes important certainly not
@@mathew9554 omg fine! Then don't watch it! Like come on man...
@@VitaeLibra why can't I watch like I said its very interesting its just not important is all I said
People on the right in the US bang on about Bernie being a millionaire due to the success of his book as if he's being hypocritical. He's not though because he includes himself in the wealth taxes he proposes. He has no problem with success, no problem with someone getting rich. He just wants everyone to pay their fair share in order to ensure that everyone in the country gets the same opportunities and has their basic needs met.
One of the Best interviews ever 🙏 A legend of a man, who unequivocally and consistently stands up for the poor and oppressed, interviewed by an emerging legend who is full of empathy and understanding of the plight of the weaker section of the society 🙏 Bernie & Russ, what a class act 😊❤️
Bernie Sanders is a National Treasure. He sees himself as a servant for the people whereas all other politicians I've seen, see themselves as too important to do anything for the people, much less go and meet them.
Lmfao he is a moron who has never had a job in his life and is rich because he sold morons like you books and tickets to see him as he pretends capitalism is bad
Bernie and Corbyn I see quite similar, not just in age but the genuine care they have for the public, how true politicians should act.
Politicians globally now just “do their jobs” for the cash. But back in the day they did their jobs because it was their jobs.
How much is enough? Great point and you see it with people who have made millions and billions. You can’t take it with you when you die!
user-jk6rc1yx1f And given your fake name and the 3 minutes online and the immediate 3 likes you are clearly a paid bot. How cute you think being paid to discredit someone actually alters reality. 😂😂🤣
@@Staleyboi12 Huh! As a Canadian with the tiniest bit of knowledge in British Politics, I've heard the name Corbyn - Jeremy, right? - but I'm realizing that I don't actually know anything about him or his politics
I 💙 Bernie and everything he stands for
Bernie the red is a war pig. He sold out his supporters for the establishment. He is a fraud.
If I could I'd give this clip 10 thumbs ups
Like bread lines, shortages, heavy taxation, and the politicians living like kings as the people are hungry? It's sad that there are still people who think Marxism has anything to offer despite it always ending the same way
@@blairpenny1526 You have no excuse to be this dumb. You have free internet at your finger tips. Go do some reading. wow
@Domzdream lmfao I pointed out that literally every tine what he wants here is implemented its a disaster and I am the one who needs to read more? Adorable
At long bloody last!!!!!!!!!! The whole interview! Brilliant. Thanks Russell, and Blessing to Bernie Sanders. What a guy.💚💚
As a Norwegian who lived in the UK for over a decade before moving back in 2019 - they're right. My quality of life has VASTLY increased by moving back to Norway, even with the stress of Covid-lockdowns and isolation.
My energy company has moved my account over to Norway, with the new cable. Scotland (at least those with their head screwed on right) looks with hope to our strengthening connections to you guys ❤
I would love you guys to help guide an independent Scotland through our terrible social woes that you guys are navigating magnificently
@@gemh89 We love Scotland!
@@Torispets it's kinda helps when you have vast reserves of fossil fuels when managed correctly though.
@@highdefinitionstanleytm9614 Sure, but also there's more focus on people's humanity rather than them being cogs in a wheel.
The alchemy of this interview was delicious. Bernie’s voice is so important and so is his book. Thank you, Russell Howard. You were brilliant and gracious.
34:38 "There's so many opportunities in your life when you could have been corrupted and gone to the dark side. You've been in American politics for a long time, and somehow you're still Ben Kenobi."
That's such a great quote, and so true. Politics is covered with slippery slopes where you can reap huge benefits for small compromises of your ethics, one inch at a time. And here Bernie stands without having slipped.
The problem is that politics is all about compromising. You can stand firm and never slip, but tgat means that no one will ever even take your proposal into consideration. However, if you throw a little bone to this lobbyst on this legislation he may convince a few other senators to support your proposal for an healthcare reform, it will obviously have to be a watered down version of what you originally had in mind, but it's better than nothing, am i right? And by the time the bill is passed it has been further castrated by a myriad of amendments.
@@arx3516 You're right, but i think you underestimate how many people know this. Bernie is the one who was trusted that his presidency would make it clear to all how shitty this system is and that this spell needs to be broken. It has to change and that's only possible with a president who sacrifices himself by representing his values almost uncompromisingly (which Bernie isn't really...if it makes sense and isn't unethical he compromises). He would had been willing to sacrifice himself to set the counterpoint in a conflict he can't win (but the next president or the one after that might be).
As an Indian we grew up with western media, comics, novels and always saw US as the Hero of the world. Bernie is the only one who makes it still feel that way.
Being poor in America is stressful. I have a mental health issue that keeps me from leaving my house. My husband works 60 hours a week for far less than $60,000 a year. I'm trying to feed and clothe 5 people and inflation is making it impossible. Our only car broke down and we can't afford to fix it and there's no public transportation where we live.... You just do without and cut corners and just hope for the best.
It’s like that in the UK too. Awful stressful times we live in.
I feel you. I feel for you. I'm currently struggling with being homeless & jobless, had my only means of transportation die on me, and have trouble finding work because of health issues, amongst other things. I'm 41 now, have worked & paid taxes since I was 15, been on my own since 17, and my last job lasted me nearly 13 years. But I never made enough in all those years to have a backup plan. I did recently get medicaid (after losing my healthcare plan at the end of 2021), but they make it damn near impossible to get sufficient care. "Oh, you have terrible pain? Well here's an appointment in a month and a half. Also, it's an hour drive from where you are right now." The sad part is that I feel somewhat lucky that some old asshat (who shouldn't have been driving in the first place) hit me while I was asleep in a parked car at a rest area. Because of that, a major law firm took on the case and I've been able to get immediate care for my spinal injuries. But it's sad that the promise of money from a lawsuit gets me quicker care than the government that I've paid taxes to for decades.
@@jessieb7290 But we don't have to worry about paying for prescriptions or a possible accident or illness that would financially cripple us. It's utter shit here at the minute, and yet we still have some safety nets that a US citizen doesn't even have.
5 people? children? if your not well off dont have five children
@@zyncwargaming179 I'm so sorry, madame. It appears that you have become lost. The eugenicist side of TH-cam is all the way over, well... I suppose anywhere else but here. Please be careful while crossing to the other side of the tracks.
Bernie is one of a kind & a humanist! No other like him in the US or even close. He walks his talk including walking picket lines in support of workers. He's been warning people for decades about the inequality gap & he's right. He tells the truth & is a warrior for equality & justice for ALL not just the wealthy. A true patriot here.
i wish we had more people in politics with the compassion, inteligence and passion as Bernie Sanders, he is the epitome of a mensch.
Bernie's empathy/sympathy towards the working class is beyond admirable. #LoveBernie ❤️
His compassion for the working class is fake. He has so much hate for those with more than him. It's why he hates billionaires. Guys an absolute narcissist.
@@mv3380 HOW WRONG YOU ARE but I reckon that's your standard modus operandi!
@@mv3380 really that is how you see it ? you a bot or just well off ?
Not once has Bernie said ANYTHING personally towards just the facts ...
A narcissus will talk ONLY about THEMSELVES and great THEY are...
this is what you heard in this interview ? really ?
@@mv3380 And you good sir is why amercia is having a crisis. Everything is going up. Food,Gas
Aww, Bernie went straight in for a hug with Russell. You get a hug from Bernie, you know he really likes you. 💙
Lots of kids grew up idolizing this legend. fingers crossed for the future.
My goodness, he's a great man! We need someone of his eloquence and passion here in the UK
Bernie's comment that Martin Luther King went by *bus* from Chicago to Washington shocked me - that's quite a journey!
So I looked up how long & how much it would cost today (OK, next Saturday ... seemed like a good plan)
19hr 55m and $98. I don't know the route the bus takes, but Google driving directions suggest it is approx 700 miles and a 10 to 13 hr journey. Of course, a bus is always slower than a car.
20 hrs on a bus nowadays would be uncomfortable - surely it was at least 24 hrs in 1968?
We have such people, but, as with Bernie, the rw media poison the public discourse with lies.
We had one. He was destroyed with lies and smears. Bernie is Jewish and the US right wing even tried calling him antisemitic.
We did.
The closest we have is David Attenborough when he talks about climate change or animals in UK.
From a comic to a thoughtful and well-prepared interviewer, Russel, you have made a remarkable journey. Long may you thrive. I *loved* this interview. Kudos !
An absolute legend in my eyes, a politician with a heart and intelligence used to help the poor, a voice for us all
I wish like crazy that Bernie Sanders had won the presidential election. He's the type of person that we see all too rarely, and he's the type of person we need to be in charge
He is more valuable as a senetor and comittee lead
I cried when the DNC chose Hillary over him. I voted for Hillary and cried again when the nasty orange pervert won.
AMEN!
Canadian here, I hope more conversations like this can happen
One of the best interviews for Bernie.
He is calming and becoming more focused as he aged. Mortality can change a political agenda.
I would've voted for Bernie! Unfortunately, the powers that control American politics (i.e., the corporations/billionaires) and the brainwashed masses will never allow someone like Bernie to realistically be a contending candidate. The system is working exactly how they intended it to work.
Heck, some states are lowering child labor laws and regulations for dangerous jobs like meat packing plants while simultaneously enacting and creating laws to make abortion illegal. Tell me being "pro life" doesn't actually translate to creating a cheap labor force to them. But I digress.
I'd love to have someone like this in UK politics instead of the horrid options we have now.
Feels like a lot of people have given up on being anyway invested in politics in the UK from the constant corrupt disaster in front of us all. Fingers cross things improve.
We you did? Jeremy Corbyn but like Bernie he was cast aside by rhetoric and smears
@Stu He was more in the right path of whats needed but I personally think he flipped a coin with going for young voters and it didn't pay off.
@@IBeC0LD I don't believe so , all ages were accomodated even today he has never changed his opinions or politics, but it depends on what media you believe/digest ? If you hear or watch what he says not some right wing media buffoons it's obvious, go on his career record it's solid , so he was very much like Bernie but as i stated it depends on what you digest.
@@Stuboy Including smears by Russell Howard.
@@IBeC0LD you could say the same about Bernie. They both support the low paid and that's mainly young people. The issue is young people move to the cities and the rural areas become more Conservative as shown by the red wall up north supporting brexit
The best president America never had
@Eli Ellington okay
Tell me about it😣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The egoist who wouldn't drop out of the Democratic race and preferred to split the party rather than let Clinton win. Why was he even allowed in the Demo race if he's an Independent? He paved the way for and ushered in Trump.
Yep. That and Andrew Yang. He needs to win… SOMETHING ALREADY.
Here is a comment because I want to tell the algorithm I liked this content, maybe it will show it to more people, everyone needs to hear this kind of talk. I don't know will this help with impressions but... amazing, viral, epic, truth, mind blown, more please, I love it, this is great, good, super, satisfying, hope, kindness, love, unity, stand together.
Awesome love Bernie never changed his song over all these years bless dude ❤
Thank you, Russell, for giving us the opportunity to listen to an amazing interview with an extraordinary man.
I think it's random he's interviewing an American politician, but I'm glad Bernie is a living example to the rest of the world that not all Americans are ignorant or selfish. Americans, and the world, need more Bernies!
Yes!
"buy another island" 🤔
Nah but bernie is the one politician who you genuinely believe every word that comes out of his mouth. He truly wants the best for the people and to do whats morally right. More politicians like him this earth would be a fantastic place to raise our kids
Okay, this is the 2nd interview with amazing people in the UK that have both given way more time and attention to my man Bernie Sanders than just about anyone in the United States of America - why is that, hmmm? 🤔🤨😘🥰 Love you Bernie!💪☺️👍
I absolutely love Bernie and I learn more from U Tube than any other news media. I am so sick of being sick and tired and having to work til I die. I remember when life wasn't so hard. The media doesn't address struggling Americans. We show growth and profit by the rich and then say we are all doing well. More people than ever use food shelves and cannot afford healthcare.
I totally agree with you
Such a thoughtful, decent and intelligent man. And as Russell says, he's Hopeful - I think that is a staggering achievement, to retain even a shred of hope doing what he does is amazing. He couldn't do the work he does without that hope, he genuinely believes things can change for the better.
Bernie is precious! No matter how many times I watch interviews with him, I can't help but get inspired and hopeful! ☀️
@Eli Ellingtononly if you believe in kremlin BS and putin's bloody war. I have no sympathy for murderers and tyrants.
If a standing ovation in front of my screen meant anything, I would have done one. 👏👏👏
This man is a walking evidence that if you are genuinely a good person then nothing can corrupt you!
Which also says a lot about the characters of the majority of politicians, who are mostly corrupt to some degree.
He’s not perfect,but no one is, and he is a truly amazing man and a great politician.
Round of applause 👏 ❤
This was wonderful. I appreciate that Russell let's his guests speak. But also how he sometimes interjects a joke but it doesn't ruin the flow.
Also, the crowd was really great. Not clapping at every word but showing they were engaged and appreciative.
Great interview.
As a local volunteer, I worked so hard to get Bernie elected in both of his presidential campaigns. One of the things I have come to appreciate is that Bernie never, ever gives up. He rebounds from disappointment and makes the best of the hand he has been dealt. Local organization is hard because most people are not that resilient. They are struggling with all the structural issues that Bernie has always described. We have been so lucky to have a leader to show us how it’s done. I dread the day we have him among us no more.
What a geniunely lovely man Bernie is, so glad I watched this interview.
Its really something that this man really does see us all and he truly cares great interview
I'm in Australia & I bloody love Bernie. Politicians of his strength, calibre & conviction are very thin on the ground here 😢
Blessings Blessings Blessings Bernie. A true humanitarian💖💖💖
What a fantastic, intriguing and inspiring interview. Bernie really talked from an average persons point of view regarding the state of world and politics. So refreshing to hear from a politician's mouth. I hope he can run for presidency in America one day.
Two awesome humans in a room! Love it 💜
This man is an actual blessing, also such a captivating and intelligent speaker
"How can I sleep at night knowing that some of my fellow citizens are hungry?" (Icelandic woman in response to question about paying higher taxes in her country)
This is the best interview I've seen with him, so nice to see him joke around and laugh. Love this guy! Off to buy his book asap.
I went to one of his rallies in 2016. Voted for him in two primaries.
I love both of them.
Fantastic interview. What a great man.
Two of the men I respect and admire most coming together to have a conversation, genuinely beautiful ❤
Fair play to Russell, a funny yet really powerful interview with currently one of the world's great leaders and proponents of true and desperately needed change. Using humour to highlight the deeper issues gives us all hope. 👍
Greetings from the non-voting District of Columbia. Thank you very much for interviewing the Senator and for sharing the full interview with us. Your mixture of humor and seriousness and intelligence truly shows more about the interviewee than most media do.
The interview I didn't know I needed but was ecstatic to hear. I. Love. Bernie. I. Love. Russell.
That was GREAT! Thanks for having him as a guest.
Bernie is a unicorn amongst politicians. He absolutely cares about people
so well spoken
we (UK) need one of him over here and in power
Thank you for bringing this talk forward at this time. We appreciate this conversation.
You made me Progressive, in the last year. I am new to this, but I am a believer, and am surrounded by many others like me.
Actually, a surprising number are following this path! I expect the going to be slow, but I feel a change. It is there. Thank you, Bernie.
He summed up the importance of the NHS beautifully
Thank you for doing this interview. I note that your show, not the American media, is where I learned about Mr. Sanders’s book (I live in the US). I love your show!
was thinking about the same
Stephen Colbert had him on and plugged the book
Forgot how much I love Bernie, one of a kind politician this man
When you speak out against massive corporate interests, they going to want to use every trick they can to shut you up. Right up to TH-cam's head and sponsors.
should be an example for everyone. Bernie is a real superhero
Best Bernie Sanders interview ever done.
Bernie sanders ...... such a sport ..... "RESPECT" ..... 😎😎😎
Well done Russell for continually holding those in power to account.
Brilliant interview. Thank you, Russell.
We love our Bernie! Thank you for showing that we have some genuinely bright and caring individuals in U.S. politics (albeit not enough). As an American I can tell you all that Bernie said is 100% true and that America is no longer a place where the future generation will live better than the last. Our country is in REAL trouble. I know several people who have moved away from America and my family are considering it as well. BTW...I've never seen Bernie blush...LOL...too funny!
What an inspiration this man is... No wonder at the age of 81 he is still so active...
We need more Bernies, everywhere.
What an excellent interview , never really heard Bernie speak before , I will be digging out some of his speeches , many times I've tried to get people to stand up and be counted , the trouble is as soon as you ask a 'keyboard warrior' to do more than type their disgruntled feelings they either make up excuses or go quiet , this has been going on for decades(maybe more) I used to be chairman of the regional CND in the 80s and I remember some of the pathetic excuses people used to use to not go on a demonstration , " it was raining " was the classic one or " my cats missing " These people were so apathetic it used infuriate me , I used to say " Yes they won't fire the nukes if it's raining " I can hear the same apathetic people now on TH-cam , don't believe me , then find some disgruntled people and try to motivate them to do something more than type how unhappy they are , then ask them to demonstrate , I guarantee you'll get either no response or excuses from the ' keyboard warriors ' This seems to be drummed into people from a young age , don't demonstrate and be happy with your sh*t life , I say people of the world unite , there are more of us than billionaires .
Amazing Love you Bernie! The most honest and caring politician in America!
I friggin' love Bernie Sanders. He's my spirit animal
What an amazing bloke! We could use more like him in the UK imo!
Hell yes sir Bernie as usual amazing
Russell is feeling the Bern! 🔥🔥🔥♥️♥️♥️
This was really enlightening to watch! Thank you
After I listened to this interview, I am further dumbfounded as to how he's only Senator Bernie Sanders and not President Bernie Sanders
Because a president's job isnt primarily domestic. Sure he is a head figure but he doesnt make the laws, only signs off on them. Sure he could lead but he cant control committees but Burnie can as he leads committees. Value is the position not the shiny title. Presidents focus are external threats and foreign diplomacy.
Corporate democrats (in the U.S. they are liberal Democrats) threw him under the bus.
He is a threat to the status quo. Even if you think Democrats are angels compared to Republicans, they're still vested in maintaining the overall power balance between rich and poor.
Look at the UK, Labour are leagues more preferable to the Tories and yet there is silence from them on the one mechanism that would actually make a difference to the power balance between the ruling class and the people i.e. Proportional representation voting.
@@kimpacheco8466 Democrats in the US are anything but liberal. Democrats of today would be to the right of Reagan that's how much things have shifted. Bernie is a progressive who would be center-left in any other first world country. Democrats are basically Bush Republicans that are OK-ish with abortion and gay marriage. There are two parties: the conservative Democrats + RINO party and the insane Jewish Space Laser party. People like Bernie are on their own.
Compulsory viewing. A deeply serious show.
As Molly Ivans said, poverty is not caused by a lack of character. It is caused by a lack of cash! Redistribute the wealth.
Unity as one!!! We must all stick together
This is an almost identical interview to one he did earlier that day on PoliticsJoe. But nonetheless, Bernie Sanders is a legend! Protect that man
"You've been in American politics for a LONG time & somehow you are still Ben Kenobi" is absolutely exactly correct! 💙
I'm watching this with tears in my eyes. Some minutes tears of joy, because Russell's such a good interviewer and generates some genuine moments of happiness, but many other minutes of sadness, because so many politicians want to make the world a legitimately better place, and are ridiculed for it. Bernie, in America, is the most tireless of them, quite literally, and the most articulate. But beyond the pettiness of culture wars, there needs to be an effort made for people who are struggling and people who are left behind. We have too much to do otherwise.
I think this is the best of the recent Bernie interviews I have seen, the light hearted bits didn't rely entirely on mittens and memes. Also perhaps we should encourage Derren Brown to at least have a go.
I loved this talk. Would love to see Jeremy corbyn and Bernie having a good chat! Both genuine gents!
Yes. They are like peas in a pod. Although I fear have the same issues. Media smears in their respective countries.
@@timtreefrog9646 Not sure that is true, Jeremy does not have IMO the same oratory or logic reasoning skills (at least when interviewed). He might be a genuine bloke, he might not, but he definitely lacks the skills to really say what he means clearly and his policies are often not coming across as plausible either. Perhaps not helped as Labour really do have some unhinged motor mouth near the top of late that rather twists any idea, usually in different directions...
@@foldionepapyrus3441 I suppose different opinions. I always find his debates inspiring and his common sense, and knowledge of policy really shine through... Well I did find them inspiring back in day. He isn't really allowed to talk anymore.
@@timtreefrog9646 Also perhaps depends on what particular moments in time you see, perhaps he has done well in a few settings I've never seen and is kinda terrible at the rest, which are the ones I've happened to see.
(And on if you can shut the worst of the rest of the party up long enough that whatever is being said seems consistent and makes any sense... Rather hard to take anybody seriously when their top team spouts contradictory nonsense in nearly all cases)
@@foldionepapyrus3441 yes indeed. It think it does depend on what you see and what is important to you in a leader. Which is why we have a vote. Also with all the constant chatter and argy bargy within parties we will possibly never get what we need as members of the public. I agree.
Thank you Russell, good show. Love Bernie
I love Bernie and his ideas!!❤️
Finally!! 😅 I was getting tired of only seeing snippets of the interview.
Bernie really is a good guy its a shame more Americans don't see that.
We have Jeremy Corbyyn in the UK who reminds me if Bernie. The media will find any (even tiny) piece of scandal to bring him down. As I imagine the US media do to Bernie.
Both Bernie and Jeremy are dangerous to the status quo.
I love both of them
Thanks for spending the time to create and share this content/perspectives 🙏🏾
Bernie💗💗💗💗
This man knows what needs to be done and he is the one of a few Americans I can trust and hats off to the man for speaking the actual truth may he live a long life 👍
Wow!!
That is the only Russell Howard interview that I've watched, where I've had a lump in my throat, and tears in my eyes virtually all the way through!! 🥺🥺
I'm a Brit, so I don't know THAT much about Berney Sanders, although I knew he was one of the good guys. I remember watching him speak in 2016.
Hearing him speak so frankly and so passionately about not only the problems in America, but problems around the world, really touched me, so deeply.
What an incredible gentleman. So knowledgeable, so compassionate, and yet so grounded.
America.....you are so incredibly lucky to have this man, as a politician!!
Cherish him!!
Thanks Russel, for a fantastic interview 💜