Why Spider-Man Fights Like That | Fighting Styles in Games Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2018
- Insomniac's Spider-Man is bringing a bunch of extremely good kicks and flips to the PS4 this September. We take a deep diver into the influences on his combat style, including capoeira and lucha libre.
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It's called Way of the Spider, basically there was an arc where Spider man lost his spider sense and he went to train with Cap and Shang Chi to create a new fighting style that would compensate for it, later spider sense returned, improving the style further
I thought he learned that from Madame web for some reason
Sadly Marvel has completely forgotten that he learned "Spider Fu" and he continues to get his ass kicked by people he should easily demolish, even without the way of the Spider.
The thing about power scaling and contanuity is that the writers throw part of it away depending on the needs of the writer.
Your here lol
Kashimaro Clickclick Wasn’t it madam web? It’s been a while, and I have been watching a lot of tv shows in preparation for The release of this game so I may be talking about a TV show. But I think it’s Madam Web.
Gosh I love watching people talking about stuff they’re interested in and passionate about.
It's never not adorable.
yeah you rarely see that now
Ikr also reminds me of me when i talk about something im interested in with my friends
Capoeira is additionally fascinating because of its connection to history and slavery. It is almost always done to music as it was hidden to look like dancing to the untrained eye so slaves could learn self defense in secret. This was a fantastic video pat!
Sage K clever xD
Thats awesome
Cool
That's so rad
So far i tried my fare share of capoeira and the only kick I like was the one resembling a spinning hook kick with your body low and a hand planted on the floor. The rest sucks
capoeira is really hard. we once had a dance instructor try to teach us capoeira n it was hilarious bc (we were on a drama school trip) he thought we were all dancers when in reality there was probably around 6 dancers in the class. just imagine a bunch of confused teenagers trying to swing their feet at each other and do backflips. it was hell
Because.I.Cannot oh man, I’m glad you didn’t injure yourself xD
Because.I.Cannot In my high school you had to do dance in year 7 and 8(I’m in England) and we did capoeira one term. Most of the girls liked dance and were good at it, but me and the rest of the boys were just kicking and punching each other in the chest and doing the ginga 3 times in between each move. It was hilarious
I do capoeira. Its incredible. I trained myself off youtube tutorial videos. I lost mad weight too. Can kick high and flip now. Its a long journey tho. I started at 28. Im 30 now and is in the best shape of my life
@@htxflow as someone who trained in capoiera for a handful of years when I was younger, find a local school or group. The art is much more complete when preformed as a duel or duet.
if you do it yourself on your own though, it will be called floreio, assuming its all aesthetic and no combat
"A sense of fun, and a pleasure of movement that is quintessentially Spider-Man"
That's one of the best lines I've ever heard...
You can literally hear Pat start smiling when he says, "That's right, we are talking about pro wrestling." Thank.
Thank indeed. Polygon shines twice as bright as usual (and that's SO BRIGHT) when the team get nerdy about things they care about. It shows in the depth and the fun of the delivery.
Patrick: this is absolutely rad analysis.
Polygon: setting Pat loose on fighting styles, Brian on music, Jenna on horror media is wonderful and you should be proud that you let smart, charismatic people deliver wonderful intelligent videos. It's a good brand.
Tara: This is good content, and so is biss.
Their talents are not going to waste.
Yes!! It's so nice to see videos from Polygon staff about their passions and areas of study! This is a great direction for Polygon and I'm really excited to see what else comes from this
i know! their videos explaining these things they're super into makes for a fun and interesting video. these are things i never used to think about in games, it makes you appreciate the games you love all the more.
I'd love to see an analysis of Batman's fighting style in the Arkham games as well as Geralt of Rivia's swordplay.
Yap batman arkham games fighting style please
Yes please!
The Batman's fighting analysis would undoubtedly be interesting. Unfortunately for The Witcher and Geralt fans, I'm pretty sure CD Projekt Red just brought in a swordsman, put him in a motion capture suit, then told him to just do whatever would look the coolest. I say this because so many actual swordsmen who are also Witcher fans have said that his style of sword play and the way he swings his sword is simply just not practical....unfortunately. Regardless, Geralt of Rivia will forever remain one of the best and most badass main characters of all-time.
That’s true, but I would imagine the swordsman had to be drawing on at least some prior knowledge. The moves may be impractical, but they were probably influenced to an extent by actual fighting styles, along with the stances he takes between attacks.
That may just be me giving the swordsman too much credit though. I really don’t know, but I’d like to see Polygon’s take on it regardless.
Spiderman also poses like that because he sells the pictures of himself.
He needs to look stylistic and attention grabbing so he can sell the photos
This blew my mind, I’ve been a Spider-Man fan since I was 2 and I’ve only now realized this
He doesn't work in the Daily Bugle anymore on this game
@@No-cs2xf He was when he learned to fight, though, so it could just be an ingrained part of it now.
Tbf who doesnt want to look stylish while beating up criminals
As a Brazilian from Bahia, I saw many rodas de capoeira in my file, and I never even thought of associating it with Spider-Man, even though it makes total sense. I'm very proud to see that a cultural expression of my state is part of the new Spider-Man. Even though capoeira has African roots, only in Bahia it became that fast, dangerous and acrobatic. It's actually so dangerous that its practice were prohibited by the early 1900s. Many Americans come to my city every year to learn capoeira. but I never learned it myself. Thank you for the awesome video!
salve Bahia
Nice summary. Grateful that you noted that Capoeira is Afro-Brazilian too.
Adio Sebastian Why?
He mean that it was more specifically pointed out to be Afro Brazilian that distinction makes a difference because of the roots, culture, and history of Capoeira. The knowledge of which is beginning to get lost in the public consciousness.
@Agent Smith Elena from Street Fighter isn't Brazilian and neither is that little Japanese girl from King of the Fighters. KOF Maximum had a main character use it and he wasn't Brazilian either. Urban Reign (which I THINK takes place in the Tekken universe) features a brother and sister duo who use it and neither are Brazilian.
Also, the original comment specifically said 'Afro-Brazilian'.
Considering Spider-Man has enough physical strength to bench press a building and always pulls his punches against non-powered enemies, his Capoeira style moves make a *lot* of sense if you consider that maybe he doesn't put his strength behind those strikes, instead allowing just the centrifugal force to provide the energy of the blows.
To be noted, most of the time, it wasn't that Spiderman didn't have enough power, but that he has too much power for dealing with his enemies. Spiderman doesn't want to kill. So for him, using technique and speed based attacks that don't rely too much on his own physical strength is perfect for him, using more momentum and tricks to defeat his enemies.
This is fascinating. Love it!
Am I seriously the only person to like jake baldinos comment?
RandyWest no ; )
One of the gameramx boys. 🙌
Keep up your awesome work man!
Yeah, those clips were absolutely insane especially 1:19 and 4:35
I think taking a look at the fighting in Absolver would be really interesting, and interest is probably high right now given that it was recently free.
We actually did a piece on the Drunken Boxing in Absolver for an old FB vid!
facebook.com/polygon/videos/absolver's-drunken-fist-form/1670271789652109/
I feel so validated I'm not the only one who analyzes fighting styles in games.
Yes you would be the only one out of millions of other people
I do it too :D
Search the channel godzirralex he analyze fighting styles of movies tv shows and some games
Also analyze fights of movies and explain all the techniques
Glad to see someone presenting Capoeira as more then just the misconception of "good cardio" and "dance" and present its actual effective strkking and evading techniques.
If you like fighting style analysis like this, Godzillarex is a channel that analyzes movie/tv show characters and lists what fighting styles they use! Great if you're a fan of marvel films or the arrowverse
Thank you for the recommendation! Basically a perfect channel for me and I'd never heard of it
Also, check out "JoeyBslash 3" as well. I like his reenactments of fight scenes from games. Hopefully, you will too!
Bailey Roca yup love him
Make this a series! I would watch more vids like this in a heartbeat, this was super interesting. Great work, Pat and polygon crew!
This was excellent! I'm all for any and every fighting style breakdown you want to deliver!
Definitely a good breakdown, but you said in the beginning there were 3 influences yet you only mentioned 2? Capoeira and lucha Libre
Yeah i know right? I feel so betrayed
Well from a martial artists point of view *me* he takes a few moves from taekwondo. For an example his pose in the tumbnail isn't a capoeira kick but more like a taekwondo one. He also used a few other moves from various other styles like the superman punch and other stylish moves from Kung Fu and such.
Matt Becker pretty sure the 3rd influence was meant to just be the overly dramatic and pose-filled comic book superhero stuff
DiGi pretty sure the 3rd influence is this is a paid promotion that clearly didnt get as much editing love as it shouldve
It was acrobatics, capoeira, and lucha libre.
Very cool video. I find that talking about specifics in inspiration is important, even if it can seem extremely apparent. I haven't seen much footage of the new Spiderman game, but this video definitely put it closer to my peripheral!
This went way deeper than I thought it would. Great job, Pat.
Wow fantastic video!! Kinda surprised you guys even nailed the capoeira moves down to their actual names, which can be a little oscure to find out! Great video!
This deserved even longer Pat! Can we get a breakdown of some more fusion styles or deconstructed Beat em'up vids?
also some Characters/ franchises
Devil May Cry,
Batman, Nightwing
Literally ANYONE in dynasty Warriors
Smash Characters?
Tifa, Zell, (anyone fromMo-capped final fantasy tbh)
Great work, Pat! I love all the thought and insight that went into both his fight styles and this video! Keep 'em comin'!
I'm really glad capoeira was accredited, and explore in this video. It's often that people cover it only saying that its a flashy dance style, so thank you for going in depth.
Pat you're so cool, these fighting styles are so cool, and this video was fascinating in every frame. Thank you for this mini research paper that was so fun to dip into
Lovely video. Research is clearly extensive and delivery is competent. Kudos!
rly well done, if this is the beginning of a new series, count me in!!
this is actually so genuinely interesting and i’ve never been into fighting before, thank you!!
This was so damn interesting, I loved watching the side by side comparison of the shoulder move, it looks so deadly.
These are wonderful, Pat. I really hope you make more!
Are there any other Flip the Table podcast fans that... err... flipped when Ophidian showed up? That was a fun video, Pat!
Oh my gosh, I love these educational-style gaming videos! Keep 'em comin'!
Great video Pat!! Love the title, he really do fight Like That.
What a great video. Now I’m going to have to rewatch the giant bomb feature get in the ring that you guest starred in again!
Nice video, it's cool to see capoeira being analyzed by someone who knows the subject. Is very important here in Brazil, mainly because of its importance in the time of slavery.
I've always wondered about Spider-Man's fighting style and thanks to this video I got my answer so thanks Polygon.
These are the sort of video essays I love - actual information and conclusions based off examples shown in the video.
This is super interesting! Spider-Man is my favorite superhero and one of the reasons for that is his fighting style that is so fascinating and fun to watch!
I hope this becomes a series, it's interesting to learn where some of our favourite video game protagonists fighting styles originate from.
Holy shit this is great content. Thank you for all the work you put into researching, conceiving, and editing this!
Great video from start to finish!!! Thoroughly enjoyed it
This was too interesting and I've been wanting the answer to this question for a while u just earned yourself a sub
Pat I ducking love you you took the time to learn the names of the capoeira moves and pronounced them perfectly thank you!
This was an excellent video!!!! Really good analysis for certain, I wish it was longer. It makes perfect sense that Spidey would utilize two agile fighting styles. Like Capoeira and Lucha Libre. It be a crime for him, If he did use some elements of those discipline.
I would love too see a video about Daredevil and Iron Fist.
Only Pat could bring Chikara into a video game discussion. PS Ophidian is great. Long live the King of Snake Style.
The acrobatic movements that spiderman does in this game is NOT capoeira but tricking, a relatively new movement art that takes inspiration from martial arts, video games, capoeira, and gymnastics. Look up Ross Kohnstam on instagram, he was the mocap double for spiderman in this game and did all of the flips and stunts that spiderman does
Wonderful video thoroughly explaining an iconic fighting style. I’d love to see your thoughts on styles that might have inspired Kratos from 2018 God of War.
this was really cool, never got into wrestling but put anything in a video essay style video and i'm in, it actually makes me want to go out and play this game which not many gaming videos do
Never really thought about how he fights. Super cool vid!!
man i really love this video for a while there it seemed like yall were heading toward Read List 5 Things You Didn't Catch In [Game] territory and i was scared djfhg LOVE THIS CONTENT!!
This was a real cool video, nice one Pat. Geralt of Rivia from the Witcher could be a good one to do, all of the games especially the third convey nicely the cautious, athletic, parry/riposte centric moveset described in the books (which was often times translated as tracing a semicircle, or guarding halfway through a dodge). The third game especially emphasises this nicely in Gameplay with the expansion of two separate dodge buttons, as well as many other parts of his attack moveset and gameplay. They systematise fighting and the mindset of a Witcher very well.
The Batman's fighting analysis would undoubtedly be interesting. Unfortunately for The Witcher and Geralt fans, I'm pretty sure CD Projekt Red just brought in a swordsman, put him in a motion capture suit, then told him to just do whatever would look the coolest. I say this because so many actual swordsmen who are also Witcher fans have said that his style of sword play and the way he swings his sword is simply just not practical....unfortunately. Regardless, Geralt of Rivia will forever remain one of the best and most badass main characters of all-time.
Oh yeah for sure, I'm aware that his fighting style is by no mean's realistically practical or based off real swings/ technique, but there's still an opportunity to point out the grains of truth present in his fighting. What is a compass step/ pirouette/ half pirouette, why would anyone ever do it while sword fighting, what aspects of some of his strikes represent the characteristics described in the books. This new show has a lot of options in terms of what it explores, such as talking about the types of techniques that work for flashy media, and what doesn't, as well as what the impractical technique says about a character (like a lowered guard showing collected confidence in skill/ unrealistic reaction time of the character +rule of cool).
But I don't know what Pat is going for to be fair, he might have more strict guidelines for what the show is about, in which case a Witcher video may be fairly light/ disappointing in describing a realistic fighting style represented. Witcher is also be well trodden ground by this point tbh, as you've pointed out others have talked about it before, and Pat might rather do something else. I just reckon it's popular enough regardless to maybe warrant a slightly different episode format, idk.
Eli Lee yeah I'd kinda like to see something new covered. Perhaps the fighting in
"God of War" and what influenced that. The battle axe is such a bold and terrifying weapon. What has me most pumped up though is the unique martial arts styles they decided to chose for Spider-Man and how rad it will look to see them all blended together. I've been a pretty diehard Spider-Man fan since I was a kid and the WWF style wrestling is the only type of martial arts used in SM's arsenal that I've heard of before. Definitely not Lucha libre(though to his credit Raimi did throw hints of it in during the first film). But the choice and decision of incorporating capoeira as pretty much his base style is not only bold but really, really rad in my opinion. I can't believe this game seriously comes out the day after my birthday and I cannot wait for that day to come.
also Lucha Libre > WWF/WCW/WWE or whatever their current acronym is
Geralt's flashy style is borrowed directly from the combat descriptions in the Witcher books, I think they did and awesome rendition of what the author was going for originally. I'm not sure if either the author or CDPR actually based it on any real life thing (probably not, since real world swordplay is 90% stabs without any flash), but it sure would be cool to find out
How have I not noticed this before? Spiderman is one of if not my favourite superhero. Ray Mysterio has always been one of if not my favourite wrestlers. Thanks to this video I made the connection between them.
Amazing video, can't wait to get my hands on this game
I went into this expecting to be kinda bored by wrestling chat BUT ACTUALLY it turned out to be really interesting and informative, even to someone who has never been into WWE or MMA! Thanks Pat!
You can hear the smile in his voice when he says "pro wrestling", I'm living
When the first Spider-Man movie came out, I asked my friend what if Jet Li got bit by a genetically enhanced spider? His mind was blown
Please do more videos like this! This was awesome! You could try digging into The Witcher series next -- the dev team did some interesting things contrasting the NPCs' real-world medieval sword style with a more balletic one they invented for Geralt.
omg please do more this is so fun!
This is a great video. Just wanted to point out that at 1:26 that's actually a touchdown raiz with no swing through. This is usually a power move that leads into other moves like corks and such. It's meant not to travel far really but Spidey's getting some distance using it for evasion. Either way it looks really cool and I'm glad it's in the game as I'm trying to learn it at the moment.
He said macaco en pe and I was like "nani?" That's a tdr 😆
Omg i was waiting for someone to make a video about his fighting style because he fights like a true martial artist
People like Pat are like a ray of hope in video game journalism especially in the black abyss of Polygon.
Love this Patrick! I wondered a lot about the fighting in the Assassin's Creed games. So much of those games was historically and geographically located, but the fighting styles throughout the games were never really explained in the lore (even though they were a huge part of the gameplay).
this is fascinating, i'd love to see more
Cool video. Thanks for making it!
Pat, you're a god. Thank you for this thorough and entertaining video about best superhero :^)
Late comment, but this was a very very cool video, if Pat wants to do more of this, all of the characters in the Arkham series have very distinctive fighting styles that would probably make for a fascinating exercise to dissect.
when i saw the game something that also came to mind in his style was tricking(the sport) in all the dodging and some shared attacks with capoeira
Fantastic research in this vid!!
Great analysis, man!
very informative and interesting :)
nice work
This video was awesome my dude, 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I can't express to you how much I love this
This is awesome, Pat, more like this!
I did capoeira in our afternoon care as a child and seriously misunderstood the point and kicked a grown man in the balls. Yikes! Still sorry about that.
I'd say you understood the *original* intent perfectly. ;)
Very interesting stuff. Great video.
This video is really well done
rly good video pat!
I can’t wait for this game :-)
this was absolutely wonderful to watch!
Zum zum zum capoiera mata um 🎵🎵🎵
HUEEE
Great content... keep 'em coming!
Great video Pat!
I love capoeira, used to do it as a kid, it’s relatively obscure martial art but it’s very interesting
1:20 ( oh my God that slap sounded like it hurt bad!!! Dame!!!! )
I always liked the fact that in the first Neversoft Spider-Man game, his standard three-hit combo was almost identical to the moves Capcom had given him in their Marvel Super Heroes/Capcom Versus fighting games. Finishing with that upwards-pointing Hard Kick, for example.
Great Video! Very Educational!
Dig into the following heroes' fighting styles next:
Captain America
Black Panther
The Winter Soldier
Pat interviewing Ophidian is a weird combo of two of my favourite internet people.
1:19. You could hear that kick from the depths of a black hole. BRUTAL! FATALITY!
Awesome video! I would love to see Batman from the Arkham series and Kiryu/Majima from the Yakuza game series.
What an amazingly well referenced and researched video. Pat isn't just a hot bod huh?!
It was nice of you to point the "fun" part of those fights. Capoeira is largely praticed here in Brazil on its dance and fun style, despite the fact that its fighting techniques are obviously included on that, but also praticed as a fight itself. During the enslavement times here, the africans used to fight in their rare spare time, and when the portugueses appeared, they pretended they were dancing. This is how the dance/fight duality came to be, just out of curiosity.
The move is like the most is his signature downward punch to the face !
keen eyes and great analysis
finally someone made a video about this, awesome!!
Hey man! I really like your analysis! I'd like to throw in that the acrobatics Spidey employs are taken from something called Tricking, or Martial Arts Tricking. With a rooting in martial arts like capoeira, wushu and taekwon-do, and with a flavor of ye olde gymnastics and breakdancing. The motion capture guys they got for Spidey both have roots in Tricking and Parkour :-) Love the video homie! Look up Tricking! It sounds like you'd be into it! :-D
Well, that was EXTREMELY cool. My day has been made.
this was great! thanks
this is sick, pat