Thank you for defending James. Tati’s video rubbed me the wrong way from the very beginning. I couldn’t believe that someone who is almost 40 was bashing on a 19 year old. It’s so unfair that he got all this hate for no reason
Although I can understand the age thing. It’s mostly the actions that each person did. Then again age can be something to think about. Tati is old enough and I’m sure has some life experiences. Over her lifespan she must of gone through lots of situations in which she has learned from. I’m not taking James or Tati side. In my opinion it seems like there is so much going on. Nowadays you can’t really believe a person
Viva Vivea what “bad” actions? Literally as a 40 year old woman u should know better than to come after a 19 year old. The whole reason why she even came after him was because she was bitter that a 19 year old has more influence than she ever will and promoted her competition. Age does play a huge role. She’s past the age of development when James isn’t even close to it. Your comment is so ignorant it’s not even funny
Yeah even at the time when I sided with her (regret it btw. I don't like James but I think he was assassinated here) I thought "that's presumptuous..."
@@no-body-nobody Because cancel culture is toxic and unnecessary. Not to mention dangerous, especially if someone is innocent. I can't stand Tati, but other than being conceited, she still deserves to have her career. Your character and relationships have nothing to do with your career for the most part. Yes, she did try to destroy James's career, which is exactly the point. No one deserves to be cancelled. It's vile behaviour based on hate trains and herd mentalities. Not good for society at all. People need to learn from their mistakes, instead of buried for them. Tati and others like her would've never even dreamed of trying to pull something like that, if cancel culture didn't exist in the first place. Every single person involved in this drama is just as responsible. Should these millions of people be cancelled too and lose their jobs? Even if they're barely living paycheck to paycheck? Where is the line?
@Kali Ortega I think Shane should be forgiven. Other shock comics like Sarah Silverman, Mark Normand, Jim Jeffries etc have done pedophilia jokes. Jimmy Kimmel & Jimmy Fallon have both done blackface, but they aren't cancelled. Do I like these jokes? No. I don't think they're funny. & Neither does Shane. He's said he's ashamed of his former shock comedy. He's apologized profusely & has vowed to continue to better himself. We also have to take into consideration that he was molested as a kid. It's not an excuse, but it does add a LOT of insight. Being molested is something that completely fucks you up, in some ways forever, trust me I know. In the past I made some pretty crass jokes about it too, things that would get me cancelled in a second if heard by the public, but it was a coping mechanism. I also made some f'ed up jokes about cancer when my dad was dying of it. I told jokes to try to deflect my true feelings. I believe Shane was doing the same. He's said that he should have been in therapy back then & that he is in therapy now. He has not made that kind of content in years. Just like the other shock comics I mentioned, they've all evolved. I think cancel culture is extremely toxic & we as a society need to stop it. I think the only time it can be justifiable is when someone is convicted of a crime, or if they're attempting to infringe on another person's rights.
First both said it wasn't about vitamins, it was bigger. Second what does age has to do with betrayal? you don't make much sense. Third yes he betrayed her and yes he lied to his audience and yes he is a predator.
@@giannanana9812 Honey then first you didn't watch James or Tati's video they both said it during the first minutes, second, betrayal has no age, a child can betray his/her parents, a good friend can betray and backstab another good friend whatever age, you really don't make any sense with that one and yes he is a predator with proof by his victims. So I suggest you take an English class since you don't understand English, grow up since you're a 12 year old at least in your brain and study criminal psychology as I did and he fits profile perfectly, grooming, guilt trip, pressure, public shaming etc.
@@mariaathena7910 I havent seen a white knight as oblivious as you in these comment sections before. Both are manipulative but Tati didnt even show proof what are you on about? her and Jeffrey also dropped everything once James came out with the receipts. That's a win for James like automatically in this situation dude lol
it's unlisted. JAMES HAS A PREDATORY BEHAVIOUR. How can you text to someone out of nowhere"hey daddy, you're so hot, OMFG" (Jay Alvarez) and he's straight, how can you text a MARRIED STRAIGHT guy and tell him how hot he is (Stephen Harrison) and than force him to accept his compliment when Stephen didn't like his sliding into his DM's. Disgusting.
@@Andjelka99 they're all rich, they could sue each other. I mean, Tati and Jeffree did accuse him of serious crime that could land him in jail, so I assume they wanted him there.
@@fiammanera2579 i have a life 🤩🖕... But thanks for your concern. If you can see my comments "everywhere", than I can say that for you too - get a life too. 😆🤪🤣😂
Yea I'm sure it's a stereotype but young and confused people are easily manipulated because they haven't developed an identity they're comfortable with so the idea that a more experienced person with an instinct for manipulating people couldn't steer a young person in a direction that benefits the more experienced person is exactly how it works. But yea James got railroaded.
She's so two faced. She doesn't deserve the massive increase in subs she got out of this situation not to mention how many product sales she made just from drama. I wasn't the hugest fan of James but to try and ruin someone's career/life with lies just because they put a (temporary!) Ad for a competing product. She seems psychotic to do that to someone she considered like a son.
Yep, the real fucked up part about it is that she was a self proclaimed mother figure to him and mentor....she chose to slander and publicly humiliate him for her own opportunistic gain. I’m no fan of James charles (I don’t really care about makeup so idk...) but what also angered me is when she started to insult his mom (who is a cancer surviver) and basically insinuate that she was an unfit parent. Jeffree is a whole nother fucking story..thanks to Shane Dawson curating his little redemption ark in his “series” all of his piss poor and disgusting behavior is overlooked.
I'd bet Tati made millions from that video easily, even if 1% of the people who viewed that video bought her vitamins. She's going have mountains of cash.
You know whats crazy? Us few are the only ones talking about this. Man I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone. Like why hasn't she lost all her subscribers??!!!!!
James Charles, a 19 year old, handled this ridiculous mess of a drama with a lot more maturity and class, than people old enough to be his parents. Tati was a bitter drama queen, who wanted revenge for something very petty, while looking like an innocent victim in the process. There's a reason James became a millionaire by the time he was a teenager. He's not an idiot. Tati trying to take all the credit for his success was tacky and pathetic. If you truly want to help another person out of the goodness of your heart, then do it, shut up about it and don't get mad, when they dare to not be your lapdogs 24/7. She is obviously very insecure about her product being useless. Not James's fault. I'm not even a fan of his, but good on him for coming out of this hell victoriously. His life and career were nearly ruined. That's not a joke and shouldn't be taken lightly. People were so eager to watch him go up in flames with glee based on empty accusations. Hope they'll learn a simple concept of "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY".
They were petty and went too far but they weren't lying, James is a predator and manipulator, he 100% lied about the deal with Sugar bear and just watch the waiter interview. Please use your brain. They have nothing to be jealous of, they actually made him.
Bcs it's not about sexual preferences. It's about logic. If tati can have a solid proof her points & accusations, i bet ethan would stand on her straight ass side. You guys dumbass or what?
@@superkoopatrooper4879 Cause the times have moved on religion had a big part remember it said Adam n Eve not Adam and Steve so the people as a wide nation thought oh if God is saying it's bad it must be now we are at a era of less religion is taking place by the younger generation that fear of unpleasing god is out the window now it's people like yourself that makes the world a shitty place now. I think we'll all know excluding yourself and a few other people like minded like yourself think this is about a straight man defending a gay man WTF are you on boy crack its about doing the right thing plus easy content for cash simple. Know your history first before u start saying stupid shit. Also
@@omgitskii dude. No 1 creator is going to 100% please you. Just like our friends do stuff we sometimes hate, so goes with influencers. Why? Because they're *people* So what if he does something you dont agree with? You can still watch the content you enjoy, shit. Don't be such a reactionary. You must have crazy anxiety.
The irony of Tati saying James has a big ego and thinks everything’s about him . When in reality it’s her with the massive ego thinking everything is all about her
you guys literally verbalized and pointed out everything that i was feeling throughout his video! these "adult's" motives were so questionable and creepy and weird
Yes! This is the onlyyyy video I’ve seen that said everything I was feeling unfiltered. Im so glad this podcast didn’t let me down, I was scared they were gonna fall for Jeffree and tatis manipulative bs . Glad they seen right through them and stood up for James
Frej A. No one said it was an excuse? All they said was it’s pathetic for people pushing 40 to make up lies, and try to ruin an teenagers career based off the said lies. He was 19 when this happened so he has that right to say 19. Because he was. Almost 20 doesn’t mean you are lol.
@@spuilloh2637 age does matter? If it didn't why would people say you become wiser as you get older. You have more experiences and you learn new things. It's normal to make mistakes at 20, or 30, or even 50 years old. However, it's more likely that at 20 you will make more mistakes because you have a lot less life experience to go off of.
@@spuilloh2637 how james has acted in the past is not what's up for discussion at the moment. I'm not a fan of james and never will be but this is at a much higher level of concern than the annoying shit he's done. it's how two people in their thirties went to great lengths to ruin his career with criminal accusations. It's very worrying behavior and when that happens, the fact that he is 19/20 SHOULD be discussed because they are targeting someone over a decade younger than them that they practically cultivated. it's weird shit
@@spuilloh2637 first of all get some manners, why are you calling a person you dont know stupid?? Sit tf down. Second age does make a difference because of life experience. A person who is 30+ should know not to lie, and spread bs because it always comes back to bite them in the ass. They also should have thicker skin. Like tati is, as far as i know, trying to have a child and so far she hasnt shown maturity which is very disappointing. JS is so full of it idek. James isnt "pushing" 30 tf???. You say that about people who are over 25 that boy just turned 20. He is just emerging into adulthood ofc hes gonna do stupid shit but hes owning up to it and trying to do better. How tf do people expect a young adult and an adult to have the same level of maturity? Guess james showed them up on that front
Tati has both of her videos on the James Charles matter deleted... I think that speaks for itself. She's a bully until she's been called out and now she's hiding.
if you dont know tati you shoulnt speak on her she has never been in dramas she has no reason to destroy the carrier of some one she help have a carrier and she dont need money why cant people just think she made a mistake on informations does boys admited to what she said then later misteriously back down. then he makes an apology video admiting to what tati said apologizing to her and then he comes with this calculative manipulation naaah its better not to trust any of the 3 and move on not point fingers text can be manipulateed
She privated the video so she could keep the $$$$ and she couldn't handle being called out on her bullshit. Her magic pink shitpills sold good too because of the videos.
Sad part is a lot of straight men dm females on social media all the time with pictures of their private area but James sending a dm saying “hey you’re hot”, some how its bad. It’s like straight guys can do worse but James can’t send a nice comment.
This might sound weird but does anyone else think that the way that they’re protecting James shows how they’ll be the best parents ever? It’s really sweet to see them completely debunk this
Honestly I really like James Charles now, unlike most beauty gurus he dealt with the situation very maturely in the video considering he's so young and has to deal with so much pressure. Although he's annoying to some, he's a genuinely good kid.
I used to be fans of all of them but I am so confused as to why Tati and Jeffrey aren’t facing backlash. They literally ruined his life with these serious accusations with no proof and have not apologized. And they have the nerve to take the moral high ground. People are so quick to turn their back on James but excuse this behavior?
I think it’s because people WANTED to hate a kid that honestly did have some flaws: he’s young, he’s successful, he’s got a huge ego BUT he kept the receipts to prove his innocence. U should still see the comments I see on drama channels of people still believing what was proved to be a lie. They keep thinking it’s a conspiracy and i myself felt so bad for believing a mother figure tati bc she seemed SO genuine and then I was proven Sooooo effin wrong. I was so wrong. I still facepalm thinking back on it. 😅
Tati claims to be looking for "light" and "healing" in situation she created where she ruined a kid's life and reputation. When you're 19 your mental health is fragile, not many kids could take that level of bullying. I agree, it's plain wrong.
@@trin7346 tati started with only 5mill subscriber before the drama though. Plus, look at her halo beauty vitamin Twitter, 5k emails per day and have troubles with shipping due to influx of orders.
because drama channels don't want to admit they were wrong by jumping into hate bandwagons and now are protecting Jeffree Star by promoting the idea that he is doing the most "mature thing". None of them have been critical for real about what happened.
I truly can't believe how stupid Tati and J. Star's fanbases are. Like it's clear they both manipulated and defamed James' character, and more importantly someone who James thought was his CLOSE friends, and still no one in their community is holding them accountable.
Its insane. Tati and Jeffree are both proven to have slandered James and were wrongly attacking a teen and spreading such extreme accusinations because he did one post they didnt like. Even now their fans blindly believe them and continue to hate on the teen and spread the proven slander as fact.
James is not a good person. You can see that in the way he talks to, manipulates. and threatens people. He probably threatened to sue them if they came forward with more info, as he’s done with smaller youtubers. That’s not to say that Tati and Jeffree are good people either. It seems to come with the territory. Tati does not have a history of threatening or lying, but James does at a much younger age, so take that as you will.
You know nothing about the history of youtube and everything bottom feeders like James Charles owe to the Original TH-camrs. James Charles deserves to be canceled for ever.
the thing that mostly shocked me about all this tea is how much changing and unstable people were. Tati throws a J'accuse at JC and everybody "oh, let's unsubscribe, he sucks" then JC post a video with receipts and everybody "let's follow him again, he's good". all these influences are really influencing these empty brains walking.
@Oliphant Kid Me and some of my extremely empathetic friends instantly recognized that she was a witch from the first video, and some of us were worried that JC's first response video seemed a bit suicidal...
I think as a straight guys if your being complimented on your looks by a gay guy that's probably a surefire way to know your attractive. I would be flattered as well.
@@private755 YEEEEP. If james was so so cool with it, why make such a shitty comment back about accepting a compliment. It's like a guy doing that to a girl that isn't interested which I've been through. James thinks highly of himself at times and everyone can like whoever. Just as a Bisexual girl who has dated both and such, and I can see some of these issues with James so easily.
I think Jeffree star and others have drama channels (ex: tea spills, shook etc) on their payroll. They basically pay them to be on their side. That's why the drama has kinda died out and no one holds tati and jeffree accountable anymore. Those channels blew the james situation out of proportion and accused him without anything to back it up. But when tati and jeffree were being exposed they suddenly went impartial. Just a theory...
Jefree has been trying to be on drama channel good side for years. First, he contacted Sanders Kennedy who was at the time the top drama channel and soon as he contacted him, Sanders was fangirling over Jefree and no longer being critical. Then when Sanders channel flopped Jefree never showed interest again. Then, he moved on to Rich Luxe, invited him over his home, hanged out and basically is now his biggest defender. Then he started giving "direct access" to some drama channel to ask for his side of the story, therefore, everyone was saying that Jefree was SO Honest and nice to them, at this point is obvious thye don't want to lose that access by badmouthing him. The rest are just brainwashed by Shanes documentary and make excuses for his bad behavior.
Honestly I don’t think they’re on his payroll, but Jeffree is duh a monster that he has these drama channels wrapped around his finger to the point they’re scared to cross him in any way, but it doesn’t feel like they’re being controlled. Like peter monn is such an asshole , he takes anybody’s side who’s part of Shane Dawson’s clique, all these drama channels have shown their true colors and biasedness. I don’t fuck with anymore drama channels after all this because they allllllll kiss Jeffree and Shane Dawson’s ass. They’ll think 10000 times before saying something negative about people they KNOW watch them. All those drama channels but especially peter monn, have made me think different of them. They’re all just mouthpieces for cancel culture , they can’t think for hemselves, but they’re so stupid, they really think they come up to conclusions on their own. They let the masses lead them.
I agree these so called drama channels are so high up in Jeffree's ass they don'tt even hold his wrong action countable. I once subscribed to tea spill thinking that he/she can be an unbiased but it shows that I was wrong so I'm done
If I was James Charles I would make an example out of Tati and Jeffrey Starr by suing them. You know he took a financial hit over all of this. It is no laughing matter to accuse someone of being a predator. Do I think he would win no (dad retired lawyer) but I do think people would not be so quick to slander someone's character the way these two did over the internet.
I agree but I know that this would be a hard case to win. I am with you Could be Dreaming. They have to show a correlation between slander and lose of revenue. That is a hard case to win. Also Tati husband is a lawyer he is going to go all out to protect his wife. Not only financial if I was to be honest as someone that suffers from depression, mental as well. The backlash they created could have easily led him to end his life.
@@nicholealderfer191 true, so much more than financial harm has been caused in this, but I think it's probably an easy case to win though. He lost 3 million subscribers on TH-cam alone, has had to cancel his tour, and had his merch shop shut down. His credibility was trashed, which is his brand, so the damage will be ongoing, although he did repair some of the damage. I think if Tati's husband was a good lawyer he should've advised against her original post, but I thought he was a businessman
I don't think it is a easy case to win but I do think he should seek legal action. Sadly our court system does not work like it should. Not only was my dad a lawyer but I worked for the Saint Louis Police Dept. for eight and a half years. The Christian Thomas case is one personally that comes to mind, kid was endangered missing. The report was over three hundred pages and around thirty hard physical evidence pointing to abuse and murder. His body has never been found or anyone arrested but due to the the great investigation you know what happened and who was responsible. I can't imagine my friends turning on me like those two did. He lost serious dough in the process, I personally think he should sue but I know it would be a hard case to win due to how shitty the courts are. I want him to do it anyway.
@@nicholealderfer191 maybe you're right, the legal system is pretty dodgy. I usually think it's always better to avoid it, but yeah I really do hope they don't get away with what they did scot free. It's an awful situation, and definitely could bring a person to suicide. I went through something like this in my own small life when a person in power decided to destroy me. That dark place is very real. If the whole world was throwing massive hate on you from all sides.. it must be hell
Tati's latest twitter yesterday shows she has no remorse for what she did. Jeffree just posted a new video and has no remorse either. What you guys also do not know is Tati has a past of using her audience as an army to attack other youtubers.
@@omotayouthman118 she didnt really like one revolution palette made in collaboration with another youtuber and someone random on youtube gave her unecessary shade (making it weirdly personal). So tati made another video adressing the situation and reviewing the palette once more (it still sucked). In all honesty I am not that much of a fan of her after the james drama because I think the drama was a huge cash out, but back then she really put them in their place. Oh and also there was the time when she first came out with her vitamins and everyone called that a flop but it's not really drama I guess?
JAMES HAS A PREDATORY BEHAVIOUR. How can you text to someone out of nowhere"hey daddy, you're so hot, OMFG" (Jay Alvarez) and he's straight, how can you text a MARRIED STRAIGHT guy and tell him how hot he is (Stephen Harrison) and than force him to accept his compliment when Stephen didn't like his sliding into his DM's. Disgusting. All three of them are snakes tbh
F 1000000 He’s no different than literally any other man. You’re just homophobic af. Dudes constantly say way worse stuff to me. I’ve had men tell me they’re going to fuck me without even knowing them and I still wouldn’t call that predatory behavior. Men just flirt and most of the time people don’t want it. It doesn’t make you a predator though, just low key skeevy. James Is really mild compared to most men.
@@milicadjordjevic4498 R u still going to say that now after Jeffree now being accused of defending an ACTUAL sexual predator. Jeffree also admitted that he did not even though if the allegations against James were true or not.
I don’t follow the beauty channels but I followed this drama a bit and I was proud of James Charles as well. He stood up for himself against the bullies and showed that he is in control of his own life.
JAMES HAS A PREDATORY BEHAVIOUR. How can you text to someone out of nowhere"hey daddy, you're so hot, OMFG" (Jay Alvarez) and he's straight, how can you text a MARRIED STRAIGHT guy and tell him how hot he is (Stephen Harrison) and than force him to accept his compliment when Stephen didn't like his sliding into his DM's. Disgusting.
I'm not invested in the beauty community at all but dang you all make it entertaining. It's nice to hear a regular adult perspective outside of the hoards of 12 yo stans.
The moment I saw pewdiepies video I knew you would end up talking about him again. I agree with you guys 100%, and hilas insights are always unexpected to me. God bless h3h3, the fupa spiderman boi and james charlie
You can tell Tati doesn't get invited places by brands. If she ever had, she'd know how things work. Her ignorance is proof of her failure and explains her pettiness.
Dont be mistaken. Tati has been since the begining of the beauty community youtube. Se doesnt go to events, because she doesnt like drama and had always avoid it at all costs. Tati deserves respect. The fact that you dont know her, doesnt mean she is a nobody. Tati has done a lot for the beauty community. James was a nobody until he met Tati and is a complete idiot. He appeared in one of the Shaytard videos and was very conceited and rude to ShayCarl...freaking Shaycarl the one who came up with the vlogs, the pioner cretor of youtube, the one who knocked on doors to get the first brand deals ever in youtube, the guy who came up with the idea of making a recording studio for promos of youtube, called MAKER and sold it to Disney for millions. Shaycarl, the first youtuber to come up with the idea of selling merch about his youtube channel....Shaycarl was being extreledly nice and complimenting charles and giving a shout to him by telling to his audiente "hey, this is james charles, the first male to ever be in a covergirl magazine" and james charles as conceited as he is just gave a croked smile while he looked up and down to ShayCarl with disgust. I never forgot that. Unhrateful James Charles deserves all the things he is going through, he earned it....and exploded right into his face.
Lots of people on here saying they “knew from the start” I won’t lie to you, I was on the James Charles is over bandwagon because of James’ original piss poor response. It wasn’t until Pewdiepie made a video on it that I even began becoming skeptical of Tati.
I only believed James when he showed the receipts. I also was on the James is over wave before he showed us Tati lied and SLANDERED him. Now I feel like I learned a lesson from this. Never believe any influencer’s claims until proven they’re true. Like this is a kid and I can’t believe this 37 yo woman did this because of vitamins... I think she wanted to hurt him. Not help him.
absolutely same. i didn't like james before and so i was down for him being cancelled. but i was totally wrong and again, just motivated by my own dislike of him
so you have no brain cells and fallowed some one who had no information on the matter who actually admited in the same video he did not know well what was going on this shows how people can be manipulated very easy because theyre idols said this. we dont know what happen behind the sceens text can be manipulated james made an apology video to tati when he could of just say she was lying and will show proff but he did not he waited 2 weeks
Honestly Philip Defranco is the main reason I didn't look more into this. He said that Tati is super credible and a pure hearted person. Now I think otherwise. Not blaming him just caused me not look further into the situation.
he can only base opinions off of what he knows so how the hell is he supposed to know Tati was lying until James posted his video? there's a reason why James lost 3 million subscribers then after he posted his video he gain back almost 2 million. people are very quick to JUMP INTO IT without knowing what's true.
It's so cute how Ethan and Hila are so into this. And I'd give those passes to Ethan and Hila any time, if I was a major brand owner. Ethan is a legend and Hila is a Goddess. I wish them and their beautiful baby all the best in the world!
I'mma be honest, the fact that that woman was SO hyperfocused on her claim that James was predatorily tryna seduce 'straight' guys the entire time didn't sit well with me from the start. Would she have been making as big a stink if James had been flirting with another gay guy or a bi dude? The whole thing just seemed orchestrated around some homophobic gay panic bullshit in order to make him seem more monstrous to the poor innocent straight people which...isn't new. Like idk, I don't even follow James or anyone in the beauty community, so I had no stake in this either way, but the way she framed it from the beginning was hella suspect.
No it wouldn't need to have a stink made if it was a gay guy or bi guy. For YEARS James has been saying "straight men are a challenge" (not an EXACT QUOTE) and actively flirting with them, while KNOWING they are straight. It's not homophobic gay panic, it's being a decent person and recognizing gross ass behavior. Let me put it this way. If a straight guy actively pursued lesbians who he KNEW were lesbians, and often talked about liking lesbians, thinking they're hotter, being attracted to the "challenge" the provide, would people be okay with it? NO THEY WOULDN'T. It's gross as all hell. Doesn't matter what you are, whether gay or straight, man or woman, no one should be disrespected like that. It's one thing to not know someone's sexuality, but if they say they're straight and you're the same sex and continue pursuing, that's creepy. If they say they're gay and you're the opposite sex and continue pursuing, THAT'S STILL CREEPY. [Edit] and I hated James before the Tati video, I actually never gave a shit about all of this drama in the beginning, my opinion is formed from what I've seen HIM say in videos.
I'm honestly mad Jeffree chimed in on it despite being a witness to what actually went down at the bday party. And I'm mad that Tati who usually stays out of drama just senpukued herself by fabricating this whole allegation story. Big Oof. I feel like they were both petty af and jealous af that James was having good success and they were old news as long term beauty community players. Its pretty awful. The beauty community need a clean wipe with a dollar shave butt wipe cause its really poopy.
I love how reasonable, logical and funny Ethan always is and Hila has blossomed so much and became a lot more confident in front of the camera. They compliment each other beautifully.
James Charles is a bright, intelligent, talented (yes, from a standpoint of makeup lovers), motivated, and endearing young man. He should be proud of how he handled all of this. This will be a lesson for him growing up. Yes, he *_will_* grow up, as Jeffree & Tati (obviously) never did. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 Well done, James Charles.
*YOU MUST REALLY BE A SISTER STAN FOR AN INTRO LIKE THAT WHICH I AM DEFINITELY A STAN OF, NOW THAT JAMES DOESN'T HAVE A "MOM" ETHAN SHOULD DEFINITELY BECOME JAMES "DAD* "
Exactly what I’ve been saying. The thing is that some people can be narcissistic without being pathological, but there’s some severe pathology in a few of these people where it’s showing up to be dangerous behavior
Famous people can't help being famous... I don't understand the problem with simply hitting on someone regardless of them potentially being straight/gay/bi/whatever. Someone has to make a move at some point or else no one will ever get together. Especially for gay people considering how many straight people there are. Finding a partner must be hard. Hit on people but if they say they're not interested then you back off. Fame or no fame, its up to the person being hit on to judge for themselves.
Yeah the issue is that James doesn't back off. Or didn't, I stopped paying attention to him when I just couldn't take him saying "straight men are a challenge" anymore. James will/would openly flirt with KNOWN STRAIGHT celebrities and make them extremely uncomfortable. That;s just creepy, no matter the sexuality of people involved. As you said, if people say they're not interested then you back off.
Jay Bae yeah but that was obviously as a joke or very exaggerated. When I was young (I’m bi) I would often hit on straight girls who often flirted back but it was all fun and games, never anything serious. Plus all the men Tati mentioned were bi-curious, not straight. And if you’re talking about all those thirsty tweets, I get those all the time! From straight men! But I don’t believe they are predatory at all, just dumb thirsty guys. I think James like everyone else, made mistakes ofc like coming off so strong but if you think about it, he has never been in a real functioning relationship. I thinks we all start off pretty clueless in the dating world and it’s a lot harder for gay men I imagine. He also has stopped making those types of jokes now which I think shows growth and and that he’s becoming more mature. I for sure made at a lot of mistakes in my early twenties.
H E C C he makes tweets to OPENLY KNOWN STRAIGHT celebrity men. That’s different than accidentally flirting with a lesbian at a club. He blatantly makes a choice to ignore that the person is straight, and go ahead anyways. It’s one thing to joke around, or make a mistake, but he has been asked to stop by some people, and he doesn’t. He has no sense of boundaries and feels very entitled to excessively flirt with everyone he so chooses because he’s a "uwu Famus Gay Boi" I’m bi and the second I find out a guy I like is gay or a girl I like is straight, it ENDS right there and then. Because I actually respect people’s boundaries and sexualities. If you think him saying straight men are a challenge is a joke then it’s a pretty bad one, I just think we shouldn’t joke around with people’s sexualities when there are parts of the world where people are still killed for them. Either way, he’s been terrible and gross and I have no interest in personally supporting him, even if he’s ‘changed’ It takes a certain mentality to think that you’re so amazing you can change someone’s sexuality, and I doubt he’s unlearned it. More likely he just stopped because people called him out, but in secret he sees no issue with it. So James Charles is a big nope for me lol.
Thank you for defending James. Tati’s video rubbed me the wrong way from the very beginning. I couldn’t believe that someone who is almost 40 was bashing on a 19 year old. It’s so unfair that he got all this hate for no reason
Although I can understand the age thing. It’s mostly the actions that each person did. Then again age can be something to think about. Tati is old enough and I’m sure has some life experiences. Over her lifespan she must of gone through lots of situations in which she has learned from. I’m not taking James or Tati side. In my opinion it seems like there is so much going on. Nowadays you can’t really believe a person
Viva Vivea what “bad” actions? Literally as a 40 year old woman u should know better than to come after a 19 year old. The whole reason why she even came after him was because she was bitter that a 19 year old has more influence than she ever will and promoted her competition. Age does play a huge role. She’s past the age of development when James isn’t even close to it. Your comment is so ignorant it’s not even funny
james charles on h3h3 podcast would actually be a very interesting discussion that i would be all for
I second this motion
Yesssss please
yes! I think Ethan is the only youtuber that could handle it unbiased
great idea!!!
Couldnt listen for more than a minute before wanting to kms after hearing james voice
“That’s like hila divorcing me if I wore a supreme shirt”
Hila: *laughs nervously*
“F$&k me, I'm a celebrity” is literally lyrics in one of Jeffree Star’s song 🧐🙄
Brelambro but I mean those are basically memes so we don’t have to count it
@@austinschmidt8228 we also can't count it when James said it as a joke
PopSicko ok
Austin Schmidt thats a stupid mentality to have
charlotte
Yeah
I thought it was weird that Tati “knew” that the waiter was straight.
Yeah even at the time when I sided with her (regret it btw. I don't like James but I think he was assassinated here) I thought "that's presumptuous..."
that's what I thought too why is tati not cancelled yet
@@no-body-nobody Because cancel culture is toxic and unnecessary. Not to mention dangerous, especially if someone is innocent. I can't stand Tati, but other than being conceited, she still deserves to have her career. Your character and relationships have nothing to do with your career for the most part. Yes, she did try to destroy James's career, which is exactly the point. No one deserves to be cancelled. It's vile behaviour based on hate trains and herd mentalities. Not good for society at all. People need to learn from their mistakes, instead of buried for them. Tati and others like her would've never even dreamed of trying to pull something like that, if cancel culture didn't exist in the first place. Every single person involved in this drama is just as responsible. Should these millions of people be cancelled too and lose their jobs? Even if they're barely living paycheck to paycheck? Where is the line?
@Kali Ortega I think Shane should be forgiven. Other shock comics like Sarah Silverman, Mark Normand, Jim Jeffries etc have done pedophilia jokes. Jimmy Kimmel & Jimmy Fallon have both done blackface, but they aren't cancelled. Do I like these jokes? No. I don't think they're funny. & Neither does Shane. He's said he's ashamed of his former shock comedy. He's apologized profusely & has vowed to continue to better himself. We also have to take into consideration that he was molested as a kid. It's not an excuse, but it does add a LOT of insight. Being molested is something that completely fucks you up, in some ways forever, trust me I know. In the past I made some pretty crass jokes about it too, things that would get me cancelled in a second if heard by the public, but it was a coping mechanism. I also made some f'ed up jokes about cancer when my dad was dying of it. I told jokes to try to deflect my true feelings. I believe Shane was doing the same. He's said that he should have been in therapy back then & that he is in therapy now. He has not made that kind of content in years. Just like the other shock comics I mentioned, they've all evolved. I think cancel culture is extremely toxic & we as a society need to stop it. I think the only time it can be justifiable is when someone is convicted of a crime, or if they're attempting to infringe on another person's rights.
@Kali Ortega I agree those things are disgusting. But who are we to bully a man to suicide?
What I find funny is that Tati is a 37 year old adult crying over how she thought a 19 year old “betrayed” her like honey really
Right?? Shes literally twice his age 🙄
First both said it wasn't about vitamins, it was bigger. Second what does age has to do with betrayal? you don't make much sense. Third yes he betrayed her and yes he lied to his audience and yes he is a predator.
First off no. Second off maturity has to do with it third off no.
@@giannanana9812 Honey then first you didn't watch James or Tati's video they both said it during the first minutes, second, betrayal has no age, a child can betray his/her parents, a good friend can betray and backstab another good friend whatever age, you really don't make any sense with that one and yes he is a predator with proof by his victims. So I suggest you take an English class since you don't understand English, grow up since you're a 12 year old at least in your brain and study criminal psychology as I did and he fits profile perfectly, grooming, guilt trip, pressure, public shaming etc.
@@mariaathena7910 I havent seen a white knight as oblivious as you in these comment sections before. Both are manipulative but Tati didnt even show proof what are you on about? her and Jeffrey also dropped everything once James came out with the receipts. That's a win for James like automatically in this situation dude lol
“I stand by my videos and everything I said in those videos”
...Tati deletes both her videos 🤔
it's unlisted. JAMES HAS A PREDATORY BEHAVIOUR. How can you text to someone out of nowhere"hey daddy, you're so hot, OMFG" (Jay Alvarez) and he's straight, how can you text a MARRIED STRAIGHT guy and tell him how hot he is (Stephen Harrison) and than force him to accept his compliment when Stephen didn't like his sliding into his DM's. Disgusting.
F 1000000 Christ you’re everywhere. Get a life.
Yeah cause he can sue her. She had to delete it
@@Andjelka99 they're all rich, they could sue each other. I mean, Tati and Jeffree did accuse him of serious crime that could land him in jail, so I assume they wanted him there.
@@fiammanera2579 i have a life 🤩🖕... But thanks for your concern. If you can see my comments "everywhere", than I can say that for you too - get a life too. 😆🤪🤣😂
You guys should be James’s new parental figure lmao
jenna marbles too most def
@@Acidus Well there's a name I haven't heard in like 6 years. Now I have to go see if she even makes videos anymore. She must be a fossil now.
@@Auxified She's still actively making videos, she did a collab with James a couple months ago.
Auxified she’s also unproblematic so that’s probably why you haven’t seen her because you watch problematic stuff
😂😂😂😂Yes
tati: 'i don't need advertising, my vitamins are selling like hotcakes'
also tati: *is insecure about her product in a 40min video*
Selling like a god church
Hương Phạm lmao 😂
“Trick a straight man into thinking he’s gay”
sorry that’s not how that works
I don't get how a skinny flamboyant kid can prey on a straight man.
@@Amuris86 Emotionally preying on people is a thing. I don't think it's what happened here but people can be manipulative in ways you wouldn't expect.
Yea I'm sure it's a stereotype but young and confused people are easily manipulated because they haven't developed an identity they're comfortable with so the idea that a more experienced person with an instinct for manipulating people couldn't steer a young person in a direction that benefits the more experienced person is exactly how it works. But yea James got railroaded.
truest statement EVER. Underrated and needs more likes. :-)
Holy shit I died at the Lipton wave surfing moment. Pure gold.
3:01 is such an underrated double entendre 😂😂😂”I bet your ass would love to do some healing” lmaoo
"I'm like a 15 year old girl all over again."
*_A l l o v e r a g a i n_*
lol i caught that too
At first I thought you were referencing Tati cause I hadn’t watched it all yet but
LMAOOO 😂
I think we’ve all been a 15 year old girl at some point in our lives.
@@nani11421 bruh
@@detectivewoosher touche
She's so two faced. She doesn't deserve the massive increase in subs she got out of this situation not to mention how many product sales she made just from drama. I wasn't the hugest fan of James but to try and ruin someone's career/life with lies just because they put a (temporary!) Ad for a competing product. She seems psychotic to do that to someone she considered like a son.
Taylor Lambert my thoughts exactly. I hope she looses subscribers
Yep, the real fucked up part about it is that she was a self proclaimed mother figure to him and mentor....she chose to slander and publicly humiliate him for her own opportunistic gain. I’m no fan of James charles (I don’t really care about makeup so idk...) but what also angered me is when she started to insult his mom (who is a cancer surviver) and basically insinuate that she was an unfit parent. Jeffree is a whole nother fucking story..thanks to Shane Dawson curating his little redemption ark in his “series” all of his piss poor and disgusting behavior is overlooked.
I'd bet Tati made millions from that video easily, even if 1% of the people who viewed that video bought her vitamins. She's going have mountains of cash.
You know whats crazy? Us few are the only ones talking about this. Man I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone. Like why hasn't she lost all her subscribers??!!!!!
lol, i wanna see again people who say "did you watch tati video to know the whole story". whos the stupid now
James Charles, a 19 year old, handled this ridiculous mess of a drama with a lot more maturity and class, than people old enough to be his parents. Tati was a bitter drama queen, who wanted revenge for something very petty, while looking like an innocent victim in the process.
There's a reason James became a millionaire by the time he was a teenager. He's not an idiot. Tati trying to take all the credit for his success was tacky and pathetic. If you truly want to help another person out of the goodness of your heart, then do it, shut up about it and don't get mad, when they dare to not be your lapdogs 24/7. She is obviously very insecure about her product being useless. Not James's fault. I'm not even a fan of his, but good on him for coming out of this hell victoriously. His life and career were nearly ruined. That's not a joke and shouldn't be taken lightly. People were so eager to watch him go up in flames with glee based on empty accusations. Hope they'll learn a simple concept of "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY".
But Tati and Jeffree were right about James now 😂
Tati 37 years old
Jefree star 33 years old
James charles 19 years old
Lmaoo so sad not even 20 yet and still doing bigger things then those two rats
Wait whaaaatttttt I 100% thought Jeffree was like 40
They were petty and went too far but they weren't lying, James is a predator and manipulator, he 100% lied about the deal with Sugar bear and just watch the waiter interview. Please use your brain. They have nothing to be jealous of, they actually made him.
@@mariaathena7910 oof bad take
@@DrG4merMan oof you're a sheep
@@mariaathena7910 actually a dog, but good try
I cracked up so hard at the beginning where all you guys are sippin tea with those fancy cups and even shredder has his own
Mortemerus even the dog lmao
What an intro, great editing. Papa Bless
Agreed.
Watching a straight man defend a young gay guy warms my heart
Bcs it's not about sexual preferences. It's about logic. If tati can have a solid proof her points & accusations, i bet ethan would stand on her straight ass side. You guys dumbass or what?
Dimas S.A but she doesn’t have proof because she lied and it was PROVED that she not is a liar but she committed libel and slander
It's not about being gay or straight, it's about doing the right thing
Yeah but it’s nothing to do with James being gay though
@@superkoopatrooper4879 Cause the times have moved on religion had a big part remember it said Adam n Eve not Adam and Steve so the people as a wide nation thought oh if God is saying it's bad it must be now we are at a era of less religion is taking place by the younger generation that fear of unpleasing god is out the window now it's people like yourself that makes the world a shitty place now. I think we'll all know excluding yourself and a few other people like minded like yourself think this is about a straight man defending a gay man WTF are you on boy crack its about doing the right thing plus easy content for cash simple. Know your history first before u start saying stupid shit. Also
Wish they touched upon how Shane supports Tati, but especially Jeffree... anyone that associated with Jeffree has always confused tf out of me
The way Shane's STILL standing by Jeffree is actually reallyy disgusting me and I don't want to be disgusted by Shane because I love his content
@@omgitskii dude. No 1 creator is going to 100% please you. Just like our friends do stuff we sometimes hate, so goes with influencers. Why? Because they're *people*
So what if he does something you dont agree with?
You can still watch the content you enjoy, shit.
Don't be such a reactionary.
You must have crazy anxiety.
Shane is on everyone's side. also he cant start a fight with jeffree rn because he has been filming a series with him for months now.
@@litbopeep5726 Thank you,
I agree. One thing is to not say anything but he openly supports them, after the shit they pulled. He was on my to-watch list.. no longer.
The irony of Tati saying James has a big ego and thinks everything’s about him . When in reality it’s her with the massive ego thinking everything is all about her
@Viva Vivea Literally where is the proof
Viva Vivea shut up
Viva Vivea Proof you say? Now I’m interested. Cause I’ve yet to see any good fucking proof that James did anything predatory. But please do tell.
I have no idea what this is about because that person deleted their comment 😂
man if i was james charles i would definitely sue them for defamation of character
And unlike most cases James can actually prove her video actually affected his income. Since he lost millions of subs.
Man I just wish he did sue them. If he sue them we gonna know the real truth
@@LanAnhNguyen-nl7bi He probably did which is why tati and jeffree stopped fueling the fire
Sisters sueing
Theyre public figures- fair game
you guys literally verbalized and pointed out everything that i was feeling throughout his video! these "adult's" motives were so questionable and creepy and weird
Yes! This is the onlyyyy video I’ve seen that said everything I was feeling unfiltered. Im so glad this podcast didn’t let me down, I was scared they were gonna fall for Jeffree and tatis manipulative bs . Glad they seen right through them and stood up for James
Frej A. No one said it was an excuse? All they said was it’s pathetic for people pushing 40 to make up lies, and try to ruin an teenagers career based off the said lies. He was 19 when this happened so he has that right to say 19. Because he was. Almost 20 doesn’t mean you are lol.
@@spuilloh2637 age does matter? If it didn't why would people say you become wiser as you get older. You have more experiences and you learn new things. It's normal to make mistakes at 20, or 30, or even 50 years old. However, it's more likely that at 20 you will make more mistakes because you have a lot less life experience to go off of.
@@spuilloh2637 how james has acted in the past is not what's up for discussion at the moment. I'm not a fan of james and never will be but this is at a much higher level of concern than the annoying shit he's done. it's how two people in their thirties went to great lengths to ruin his career with criminal accusations. It's very worrying behavior and when that happens, the fact that he is 19/20 SHOULD be discussed because they are targeting someone over a decade younger than them that they practically cultivated. it's weird shit
@@spuilloh2637 first of all get some manners, why are you calling a person you dont know stupid?? Sit tf down. Second age does make a difference because of life experience. A person who is 30+ should know not to lie, and spread bs because it always comes back to bite them in the ass. They also should have thicker skin. Like tati is, as far as i know, trying to have a child and so far she hasnt shown maturity which is very disappointing. JS is so full of it idek. James isnt "pushing" 30 tf???. You say that about people who are over 25 that boy just turned 20. He is just emerging into adulthood ofc hes gonna do stupid shit but hes owning up to it and trying to do better. How tf do people expect a young adult and an adult to have the same level of maturity? Guess james showed them up on that front
Tati has both of her videos on the James Charles matter deleted... I think that speaks for itself. She's a bully until she's been called out and now she's hiding.
if you dont know tati you shoulnt speak on her she has never been in dramas she has no reason to destroy the carrier of some one she help have a carrier and she dont need money why cant people just think she made a mistake on informations does boys admited to what she said then later misteriously back down. then he makes an apology video admiting to what tati said apologizing to her and then he comes with this calculative manipulation naaah its better not to trust any of the 3 and move on not point fingers text can be manipulateed
@@akatsukishar you can't even spell multiple words properly 😂.
sharlyne Rivera You don’t “know her” either. You just see what she wants you to, like any other content creator.
@@akatsukishar actually, not knowing any of these people gives us BETTER insight into the situation because we have no bias.
She privated the video so she could keep the $$$$ and she couldn't handle being called out on her bullshit. Her magic pink shitpills sold good too because of the videos.
Sad part is a lot of straight men dm females on social media all the time with pictures of their private area but James sending a dm saying “hey you’re hot”, some how its bad. It’s like straight guys can do worse but James can’t send a nice comment.
EXACTLY
Straight men bad.
Geez...
Exactly! I always have straight guys who want to ‘turn me straight’ but that’s seen as okay
@@mr.bigglesworth2952 they're saying why is it bad that he hit on a guy in the dms when guys do it all the time.. are you slow?
I am not into glam TH-cam, but after this incident I am a James Charles fan now.
right? I was skeptical to him first but he seems the most logical out there
sad love react wow edge lord
I don't give a fuck about makeup but I legit might subscribe to him. Poor kid
Joe Stevens yaass!
why are you verified if you only have 100 subscribers
25:19
“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on”
Did you just say "HTea Podcast"?
Wow.
Fobia's Bizarre One Man Band the H3 teapot cast
HTeapotcast
DarkWestern go upload more vids about squirrels dumbass
@@DarkWestern Yikeslords
yeah and the TeaPod instead of Teapot. he is on fire with the puns.
This might sound weird but does anyone else think that the way that they’re protecting James shows how they’ll be the best parents ever?
It’s really sweet to see them completely debunk this
I see what you mean, but at the same time this is their job and they do this sorta thing often, ya know.
@@msharmall7298 I agree. Generally people with integrity do what Ethan and Hila did and they do have integrity just like pewdiepie.
aged well✅
This aged poorly
Honestly I really like James Charles now, unlike most beauty gurus he dealt with the situation very maturely in the video considering he's so young and has to deal with so much pressure. Although he's annoying to some, he's a genuinely good kid.
People forget that annoying is not a sin. Evryone has their own annoying side to some extent
Tati has a handheld mirror that says “who’s the fairest of them all” on the back of it LOL
THAT'S RIGHT!!!! LMAO! I totally forgot about that.
I used to be fans of all of them but I am so confused as to why Tati and Jeffrey aren’t facing backlash. They literally ruined his life with these serious accusations with no proof and have not apologized. And they have the nerve to take the moral high ground. People are so quick to turn their back on James but excuse this behavior?
Tati is, her social blade is red, but nothing is happening to jeffree
I think it’s because people WANTED to hate a kid that honestly did have some flaws: he’s young, he’s successful, he’s got a huge ego BUT he kept the receipts to prove his innocence. U should still see the comments I see on drama channels of people still believing what was proved to be a lie. They keep thinking it’s a conspiracy and i myself felt so bad for believing a mother figure tati bc she seemed SO genuine and then I was proven Sooooo effin wrong. I was so wrong. I still facepalm thinking back on it. 😅
Tati claims to be looking for "light" and "healing" in situation she created where she ruined a kid's life and reputation. When you're 19 your mental health is fragile, not many kids could take that level of bullying. I agree, it's plain wrong.
@@trin7346 tati started with only 5mill subscriber before the drama though.
Plus, look at her halo beauty vitamin Twitter, 5k emails per day and have troubles with shipping due to influx of orders.
because drama channels don't want to admit they were wrong by jumping into hate bandwagons and now are protecting Jeffree Star by promoting the idea that he is doing the most "mature thing". None of them have been critical for real about what happened.
"you have a thousand drawers behind you!"
Alissa Tran I died!!!!!!!!!!!!
I truly can't believe how stupid Tati and J. Star's fanbases are. Like it's clear they both manipulated and defamed James' character, and more importantly someone who James thought was his CLOSE friends, and still no one in their community is holding them accountable.
When their fans and audience do it, then the influencer’s will follow...I promise. 😒
Its insane. Tati and Jeffree are both proven to have slandered James and were wrongly attacking a teen and spreading such extreme accusinations because he did one post they didnt like. Even now their fans blindly believe them and continue to hate on the teen and spread the proven slander as fact.
Gunpowder & Vanilla tati filtered the comments on her new video so no one brings up the james situation lmao this is a GROWN WOMAN
James is not a good person. You can see that in the way he talks to, manipulates. and threatens people. He probably threatened to sue them if they came forward with more info, as he’s done with smaller youtubers. That’s not to say that Tati and Jeffree are good people either. It seems to come with the territory. Tati does not have a history of threatening or lying, but James does at a much younger age, so take that as you will.
You know nothing about the history of youtube and everything bottom feeders like James Charles owe to the Original TH-camrs. James Charles deserves to be canceled for ever.
the thing that mostly shocked me about all this tea is how much changing and unstable people were. Tati throws a J'accuse at JC and everybody "oh, let's unsubscribe, he sucks" then JC post a video with receipts and everybody "let's follow him again, he's good". all these influences are really influencing these empty brains walking.
YES. My exact thoughts
Word!!!
It’s weird watching Ethan defend James Charles in this narrative after everything that has gone down over the past two years
I originally thought Tati had a good video UNTILL James was the only one with all the receipts!!! 👏👏👏👏
You thought it was a good video without receipts??? How??
@@amandalopes3048 It's her voice and her demeanor. She must have looked up "How to get the masses to trust you without any proof" by Hitler
@Oliphant Kid Me and some of my extremely empathetic friends instantly recognized that she was a witch from the first video, and some of us were worried that JC's first response video seemed a bit suicidal...
@@theonlyonewithgum1452 can't argue with that, so true
Tati *NEVER* had a good video. It's sad how people sympathize with what's so evidently disingenuous by a first glance.
Yal brought out the fine China for tea time
thokozani buthelezi ive never been, how is it
When tati deleted those videos😂😂
Bayleef *I STAN MY WORDS*
Her channel is as dry as her old pussy.
@Jenna Jewels I'm sure he will but before that he'll forgive them and each other. Otherwise it would be a bigger shit show
@@orangecloud8820 Yeah and she was so "lonely" that she made friends with Scorpio JS and look what happened. She took a bite of that poison apple.
@@heyitsjujuu who?? Tati?
James Charles coming back into the game after picking up his Adderall prescription.
that's actually how he normally talks. it was very weird to see him talk slowly in his apology.
carl Carrington 😂😂😂
18:04 i love how Ethan's sneeze is already a dad sneeze. My man is prepared
Don't buy Halo beauty. Save your kidneys people.
I think as a straight guys if your being complimented on your looks by a gay guy that's probably a surefire way to know your attractive. I would be flattered as well.
Also a difference between told you’re attractive and saying “no thank you” then being told you should have taken the compliment.
@@private755 YEEEEP. If james was so so cool with it, why make such a shitty comment back about accepting a compliment. It's like a guy doing that to a girl that isn't interested which I've been through. James thinks highly of himself at times and everyone can like whoever. Just as a Bisexual girl who has dated both and such, and I can see some of these issues with James so easily.
i immediately forgave james charles when i saw the screenshot of one of his friends saying "jesus is so famous" cuz i actually burst out laughin
LOL
dont get it
I thought I was the only one🤣🤣 amazing
@@grilledcheese9297 It's a random joke his whole friend group has.
To forgive mans to assume he was guilty. I don't think James was guilty of anything Tati accused him of
Nice to see James return the favour by plagiarising Ethan's design.
The important lesson here: never delete text messages.
I think Jeffree star and others have drama channels (ex: tea spills, shook etc) on their payroll. They basically pay them to be on their side. That's why the drama has kinda died out and no one holds tati and jeffree accountable anymore. Those channels blew the james situation out of proportion and accused him without anything to back it up. But when tati and jeffree were being exposed they suddenly went impartial. Just a theory...
Jefree has been trying to be on drama channel good side for years. First, he contacted Sanders Kennedy who was at the time the top drama channel and soon as he contacted him, Sanders was fangirling over Jefree and no longer being critical. Then when Sanders channel flopped Jefree never showed interest again. Then, he moved on to Rich Luxe, invited him over his home, hanged out and basically is now his biggest defender. Then he started giving "direct access" to some drama channel to ask for his side of the story, therefore, everyone was saying that Jefree was SO Honest and nice to them, at this point is obvious thye don't want to lose that access by badmouthing him. The rest are just brainwashed by Shanes documentary and make excuses for his bad behavior.
Honestly I don’t think they’re on his payroll, but Jeffree is duh a monster that he has these drama channels wrapped around his finger to the point they’re scared to cross him in any way, but it doesn’t feel like they’re being controlled. Like peter monn is such an asshole , he takes anybody’s side who’s part of Shane Dawson’s clique, all these drama channels have shown their true colors and biasedness. I don’t fuck with anymore drama channels after all this because they allllllll kiss Jeffree and Shane Dawson’s ass. They’ll think 10000 times before saying something negative about people they KNOW watch them. All those drama channels but especially peter monn, have made me think different of them. They’re all just mouthpieces for cancel culture , they can’t think for hemselves, but they’re so stupid, they really think they come up to conclusions on their own. They let the masses lead them.
A G A M E T H E O R Y
I agree these so called drama channels are so high up in Jeffree's ass they don'tt even hold his wrong action countable. I once subscribed to tea spill thinking that he/she can be an unbiased but it shows that I was wrong so I'm done
Yesss! And Rich lux... he's sooooo biased
I want to see Tati and Jeffree try to clap back at Ethan. They should change the podcast's name to the 3pot.
Zinj Lulu absolute genius
It's the Htea Potcast 👍🏽🍵
3 potcast or the H-tea potcast?
If I was James Charles I would make an example out of Tati and Jeffrey Starr by suing them. You know he took a financial hit over all of this. It is no laughing matter to accuse someone of being a predator. Do I think he would win no (dad retired lawyer) but I do think people would not be so quick to slander someone's character the way these two did over the internet.
It's not making an example, it's completely justified. They have caused a great deal of harm
I agree but I know that this would be a hard case to win. I am with you Could be Dreaming. They have to show a correlation between slander and lose of revenue. That is a hard case to win. Also Tati husband is a lawyer he is going to go all out to protect his wife. Not only financial if I was to be honest as someone that suffers from depression, mental as well. The backlash they created could have easily led him to end his life.
@@nicholealderfer191 true, so much more than financial harm has been caused in this, but I think it's probably an easy case to win though. He lost 3 million subscribers on TH-cam alone, has had to cancel his tour, and had his merch shop shut down. His credibility was trashed, which is his brand, so the damage will be ongoing, although he did repair some of the damage. I think if Tati's husband was a good lawyer he should've advised against her original post, but I thought he was a businessman
I don't think it is a easy case to win but I do think he should seek legal action. Sadly our court system does not work like it should. Not only was my dad a lawyer but I worked for the Saint Louis Police Dept. for eight and a half years. The Christian Thomas case is one personally that comes to mind, kid was endangered missing. The report was over three hundred pages and around thirty hard physical evidence pointing to abuse and murder. His body has never been found or anyone arrested but due to the the great investigation you know what happened and who was responsible. I can't imagine my friends turning on me like those two did. He lost serious dough in the process, I personally think he should sue but I know it would be a hard case to win due to how shitty the courts are. I want him to do it anyway.
@@nicholealderfer191 maybe you're right, the legal system is pretty dodgy. I usually think it's always better to avoid it, but yeah I really do hope they don't get away with what they did scot free. It's an awful situation, and definitely could bring a person to suicide. I went through something like this in my own small life when a person in power decided to destroy me. That dark place is very real. If the whole world was throwing massive hate on you from all sides.. it must be hell
It shocks me that a 19 year old can handle so much stress.
Tati's latest twitter yesterday shows she has no remorse for what she did. Jeffree just posted a new video and has no remorse either. What you guys also do not know is Tati has a past of using her audience as an army to attack other youtubers.
UP UP!
The only other time I remember tati having drama with another youtuber was about that makeup revolution palette
Maria Foivi what happend
@@omotayouthman118 she didnt really like one revolution palette made in collaboration with another youtuber and someone random on youtube gave her unecessary shade (making it weirdly personal). So tati made another video adressing the situation and reviewing the palette once more (it still sucked). In all honesty I am not that much of a fan of her after the james drama because I think the drama was a huge cash out, but back then she really put them in their place.
Oh and also there was the time when she first came out with her vitamins and everyone called that a flop but it's not really drama I guess?
Not surprising
I have no respect for Tati and Jeffrey anymore. They’re just wrong.
JAMES HAS A PREDATORY BEHAVIOUR. How can you text to someone out of nowhere"hey daddy, you're so hot, OMFG" (Jay Alvarez) and he's straight, how can you text a MARRIED STRAIGHT guy and tell him how hot he is (Stephen Harrison) and than force him to accept his compliment when Stephen didn't like his sliding into his DM's. Disgusting.
All three of them are snakes tbh
@@milicadjordjevic4498 you're a bot. Copy and paste your shit all over this comment section. A gay guy hitting on men is not predatory
F 1000000
He’s no different than literally any other man. You’re just homophobic af. Dudes constantly say way worse stuff to me. I’ve had men tell me they’re going to fuck me without even knowing them and I still wouldn’t call that predatory behavior.
Men just flirt and most of the time people don’t want it. It doesn’t make you a predator though, just low key skeevy. James Is really mild compared to most men.
@@milicadjordjevic4498 R u still going to say that now after Jeffree now being accused of defending an ACTUAL sexual predator. Jeffree also admitted that he did not even though if the allegations against James were true or not.
@@milicadjordjevic4498 Sheep
I don’t follow the beauty channels but I followed this drama a bit and I was proud of James Charles as well. He stood up for himself against the bullies and showed that he is in control of his own life.
Yeah you really proved that your opinions are fickle and easily changed all right.
JAMES HAS A PREDATORY BEHAVIOUR. How can you text to someone out of nowhere"hey daddy, you're so hot, OMFG" (Jay Alvarez) and he's straight, how can you text a MARRIED STRAIGHT guy and tell him how hot he is (Stephen Harrison) and than force him to accept his compliment when Stephen didn't like his sliding into his DM's. Disgusting.
@@milicadjordjevic4498 hey daddy u are so hot OMFG
F 1000000 You’ve clearly led a dull life if no one has ever told you that you’re hot. Perhaps you’re not? And you’ve never been hit on 🤷🏻♀️
It was PewDiePie
This intro is gonna be in the history books of 3010
It's going down in the history books for being the most petty worst quality drama ever
The way James Charles handled this with “Style and grace” really makes respect him a lot more.
Looking back at all this almost a year later, Im so freakin impressed with James Charles
And the mirrors like "it's james Charles is the prettiest" 😂👏
I'm not invested in the beauty community at all but dang you all make it entertaining. It's nice to hear a regular adult perspective outside of the hoards of 12 yo stans.
Morgan Leigh omg yes! Like real peoples perspective not the sheeple fake matrix program NPC’s 🤣
i agree so much
@@setme4ree are you brain damaged
“Thousand dollars you have a thousand drawers behind you!!!” I DIED
James surfed the tsunami like a true silver surfer.
The glam clap back was on point.
Tati is a mean girl. Since most of her accusations are false and James can prove this, it's slander.
The moment I saw pewdiepies video I knew you would end up talking about him again.
I agree with you guys 100%, and hilas insights are always unexpected to me.
God bless h3h3, the fupa spiderman boi and james charlie
Dicks out for jamie charlie
Fupas out for james charles
You can tell Tati doesn't get invited places by brands. If she ever had, she'd know how things work. Her ignorance is proof of her failure and explains her pettiness.
this tea is fucking scalding
It wouldnt be called tea is spewing news .smh.. this wholesome facts.
Dont be mistaken. Tati has been since the begining of the beauty community youtube. Se doesnt go to events, because she doesnt like drama and had always avoid it at all costs. Tati deserves respect. The fact that you dont know her, doesnt mean she is a nobody. Tati has done a lot for the beauty community. James was a nobody until he met Tati and is a complete idiot. He appeared in one of the Shaytard videos and was very conceited and rude to ShayCarl...freaking Shaycarl the one who came up with the vlogs, the pioner cretor of youtube, the one who knocked on doors to get the first brand deals ever in youtube, the guy who came up with the idea of making a recording studio for promos of youtube, called MAKER and sold it to Disney for millions. Shaycarl, the first youtuber to come up with the idea of selling merch about his youtube channel....Shaycarl was being extreledly nice and complimenting charles and giving a shout to him by telling to his audiente "hey, this is james charles, the first male to ever be in a covergirl magazine" and james charles as conceited as he is just gave a croked smile while he looked up and down to ShayCarl with disgust. I never forgot that. Unhrateful James Charles deserves all the things he is going through, he earned it....and exploded right into his face.
suzzette1980 She’s a whiner, nobody cares for Fake Tati anymore... she was jealous of poor James since day one.
@@suzzette1980 Yeah and now she's a decrepit fossil on the outside and a spiteful loser hag on the inside. CANCELLED.
Lots of people on here saying they “knew from the start”
I won’t lie to you, I was on the James Charles is over bandwagon because of James’ original piss poor response. It wasn’t until Pewdiepie made a video on it that I even began becoming skeptical of Tati.
But they are nasty, people forget about gage video easily, and actually i still believe in gage
I only believed James when he showed the receipts. I also was on the James is over wave before he showed us Tati lied and SLANDERED him.
Now I feel like I learned a lesson from this. Never believe any influencer’s claims until proven they’re true. Like this is a kid and I can’t believe this 37 yo woman did this because of vitamins...
I think she wanted to hurt him. Not help him.
absolutely same. i didn't like james before and so i was down for him being cancelled. but i was totally wrong and again, just motivated by my own dislike of him
Annisa Marsha gage is a clout chaser 💀
so you have no brain cells and fallowed some one who had no information on the matter who actually admited in the same video he did not know well what was going on this shows how people can be manipulated very easy because theyre idols said this. we dont know what happen behind the sceens text can be manipulated james made an apology video to tati when he could of just say she was lying and will show proff but he did not he waited 2 weeks
Tati: I stand by my videos
Also Tati: *deletes her videos*
🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐
Well this aged beautifully
Is TH-cam not gonna do anything about false accusations about sexual predators
They banned alex jones.
I hope his lawyers went for her jugular
They don’t even do anything about false copyright claims..
@@LuisMiguel-on5oe libtards spread conspiracies all day yet they control social platforms 'stupid fuck'
@@LuisMiguel-on5oe So do i take it as u want evryone who spreads conspiracy to be deplatformed, #censorship amiright
That waiter preyed on James and then cried victim. He left the restaurant without getting his number and he sought him out!
💯
Honestly Philip Defranco is the main reason I didn't look more into this. He said that Tati is super credible and a pure hearted person. Now I think otherwise. Not blaming him just caused me not look further into the situation.
Weildabeast it was kinda disappointing to hear that from Phillip,honestly
It was also very disappointing to hear the drama community who criticize everyone to be saying the same thing...
Philip just became less credible, kinda sucks
@@TevanBalian Honestly he was never credible to begin with.
he can only base opinions off of what he knows so how the hell is he supposed to know Tati was lying until James posted his video? there's a reason why James lost 3 million subscribers then after he posted his video he gain back almost 2 million. people are very quick to JUMP INTO IT without knowing what's true.
I would love to hear a conversation between James Charles and Ben Shapiro. Would be the fastest conversation in recorded history.
It's so cute how Ethan and Hila are so into this. And I'd give those passes to Ethan and Hila any time, if I was a major brand owner. Ethan is a legend and Hila is a Goddess.
I wish them and their beautiful baby all the best in the world!
Tati: BYE SISTER
James: you activated my trap card "RECEIPTS"!!!
Safwan Boksh LOL 👏 I want you to know I really appreciated this yugioh reference
You should bring James Charles onto the podcast. Also that intro was amazing.
"Mask off and Mascara off" should be on a t-shirt
I'mma be honest, the fact that that woman was SO hyperfocused on her claim that James was predatorily tryna seduce 'straight' guys the entire time didn't sit well with me from the start. Would she have been making as big a stink if James had been flirting with another gay guy or a bi dude? The whole thing just seemed orchestrated around some homophobic gay panic bullshit in order to make him seem more monstrous to the poor innocent straight people which...isn't new. Like idk, I don't even follow James or anyone in the beauty community, so I had no stake in this either way, but the way she framed it from the beginning was hella suspect.
No it wouldn't need to have a stink made if it was a gay guy or bi guy.
For YEARS James has been saying "straight men are a challenge" (not an EXACT QUOTE) and actively flirting with them, while KNOWING they are straight.
It's not homophobic gay panic, it's being a decent person and recognizing gross ass behavior.
Let me put it this way. If a straight guy actively pursued lesbians who he KNEW were lesbians, and often talked about liking lesbians, thinking they're hotter, being attracted to the "challenge" the provide, would people be okay with it? NO THEY WOULDN'T.
It's gross as all hell. Doesn't matter what you are, whether gay or straight, man or woman, no one should be disrespected like that.
It's one thing to not know someone's sexuality, but if they say they're straight and you're the same sex and continue pursuing, that's creepy. If they say they're gay and you're the opposite sex and continue pursuing, THAT'S STILL CREEPY.
[Edit] and I hated James before the Tati video, I actually never gave a shit about all of this drama in the beginning, my opinion is formed from what I've seen HIM say in videos.
@@jadecoolness101 homophobia detected
@@lolpsp4138 Karen, I'm gay.
@@jadecoolness101 ok karen
"With friends like Tati, who needs an Enemy?" - that should be in Tati's next makeup palette release.
I'm honestly mad Jeffree chimed in on it despite being a witness to what actually went down at the bday party. And I'm mad that Tati who usually stays out of drama just senpukued herself by fabricating this whole allegation story. Big Oof. I feel like they were both petty af and jealous af that James was having good success and they were old news as long term beauty community players. Its pretty awful. The beauty community need a clean wipe with a dollar shave butt wipe cause its really poopy.
18:05 such a dad sneeze LOL
Calvin Truong agreed, my dad sneezes exactly like that lol
Can we please have the tea room be like a new thing on the podcast. Cause this is amazing.
I love how reasonable, logical and funny Ethan always is and Hila has blossomed so much and became a lot more confident in front of the camera. They compliment each other beautifully.
Alas Ii yassss, was thinking this throughout this whole vid.
James Charles is a bright, intelligent, talented (yes, from a standpoint of makeup lovers), motivated, and endearing young man. He should be proud of how he handled all of this.
This will be a lesson for him growing up.
Yes, he *_will_* grow up, as Jeffree & Tati (obviously) never did.
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
Well done, James Charles.
i really do love your comment why cant their be more people like you? :(
Lit BoPeep lol I just read your comment on Genius’s TMG lyrics meaning. You said you named the middle name of your son after Noel. Small world. 😂
James also showed how many times he clearly tried to talk to Jeff and Tati
James took some grey health damage but he had that super armor and came through
Lol
I came here to criticize Tati's way of saying "Disgusting"
@Midnight Smith I didn't hear a g, "disgusteen" lmao I've been hating on it too
@@blankflank3488 she does not say g at all in a lot of videos of hers. 🤣
this aged real nice
Imagine throwing so many dumb accusations around that you force a guy to disclose his whole damn sex life.
*YOU MUST REALLY BE A SISTER STAN FOR AN INTRO LIKE THAT WHICH I AM DEFINITELY A STAN OF, NOW THAT JAMES DOESN'T HAVE A "MOM" ETHAN SHOULD DEFINITELY BECOME JAMES "DAD* "
Lol why so he can back stab ethan too?
capricorntree wow.
YES PLEASEE HAHAHAHA
Wow, who'd have thought all these beauty obsessed people would turn out to be narcissists.
Lmao seriously
Exactly what I’ve been saying. The thing is that some people can be narcissistic without being pathological, but there’s some severe pathology in a few of these people where it’s showing up to be dangerous behavior
norepetitivebeats lol
Jeffree literally has "vanity" tattooed on his face...
Please look deeper into the Jeffree Star's warehouse break in, things won't add up.
Really? How so?
I’m curious now
yea what do u mean hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Elaborate please.
Whaaaaaa
How the turns have tabled...
here from the future, and all i gotta say is... woomp woomp woomp
Lol they ran from this situation the second he brought proof.
Snow Doll and I hope james she’s both of them
love this podcast!! you're so right about jeffree hes such an attention seeker. this isnt the first time hes done this.
they all are
Everyone is so far up Jeffrey stars ass
Jeffree literally can't go to a small local show without getting into a fight with someone
th-cam.com/video/MTeJAh6QwIA/w-d-xo.html 🍵🍵🍵
The Snow White analogy is so accurate
This video hits different now that James Charles is blatantly ripping off Teddy Fresh lol
Famous people can't help being famous... I don't understand the problem with simply hitting on someone regardless of them potentially being straight/gay/bi/whatever. Someone has to make a move at some point or else no one will ever get together. Especially for gay people considering how many straight people there are. Finding a partner must be hard. Hit on people but if they say they're not interested then you back off. Fame or no fame, its up to the person being hit on to judge for themselves.
Yeah the issue is that James doesn't back off. Or didn't, I stopped paying attention to him when I just couldn't take him saying "straight men are a challenge" anymore.
James will/would openly flirt with KNOWN STRAIGHT celebrities and make them extremely uncomfortable.
That;s just creepy, no matter the sexuality of people involved. As you said, if people say they're not interested then you back off.
Jay Bae yeah but that was obviously as a joke or very exaggerated. When I was young (I’m bi) I would often hit on straight girls who often flirted back but it was all fun and games, never anything serious. Plus all the men Tati mentioned were bi-curious, not straight. And if you’re talking about all those thirsty tweets, I get those all the time! From straight men! But I don’t believe they are predatory at all, just dumb thirsty guys. I think James like everyone else, made mistakes ofc like coming off so strong but if you think about it, he has never been in a real functioning relationship. I thinks we all start off pretty clueless in the dating world and it’s a lot harder for gay men I imagine. He also has stopped making those types of jokes now which I think shows growth and and that he’s becoming more mature. I for sure made at a lot of mistakes in my early twenties.
H E C C he makes tweets to OPENLY KNOWN STRAIGHT celebrity men. That’s different than accidentally flirting with a lesbian at a club.
He blatantly makes a choice to ignore that the person is straight, and go ahead anyways. It’s one thing to joke around, or make a mistake, but he has been asked to stop by some people, and he doesn’t. He has no sense of boundaries and feels very entitled to excessively flirt with everyone he so chooses because he’s a "uwu Famus Gay Boi"
I’m bi and the second I find out a guy I like is gay or a girl I like is straight, it ENDS right there and then. Because I actually respect people’s boundaries and sexualities. If you think him saying straight men are a challenge is a joke then it’s a pretty bad one, I just think we shouldn’t joke around with people’s sexualities when there are parts of the world where people are still killed for them. Either way, he’s been terrible and gross and I have no interest in personally supporting him, even if he’s ‘changed’
It takes a certain mentality to think that you’re so amazing you can change someone’s sexuality, and I doubt he’s unlearned it. More likely he just stopped because people called him out, but in secret he sees no issue with it. So James Charles is a big nope for me lol.
What a wild situation. Tati seems completely venomous. How unfortunate.
EvairsoftProductions Yes, and Jeff Star is Satan apparently.
That is one FANCY teacup
The intro was pure gold😂😂
Nay.....platinum, lol!
'who would have extra tickets? also the moon doesn't exist'-tati
GET JAMES CHARLES ON TO THE PODCAST. We would all love that or curious to hear the conversations. 👀