being a brit i should prefer the hs748(andover, having been in a RAF Andover CC Mk1) but the RR Dart is a screamer, the 501D is much quieter(and more powerful) but i love the CV580 🤩
Having lived next to DCA in the 80s, I had the priveledge of witnessing both plenty of Allisons and Darts. And the best sounding engine was....the Turbomeca Bastan 😂. Seriously though, all of them old-school tprops sounded fantastic. Even the nearly mute Dash-7's. @@oldfatbastad6053
I miss the CV-580. I had the opportunity to work a charter company servicing Atlantic City, NJ. Casino runs on the weekends. The company, Westates Airlines, flew the 580 out of Niagara Falls, NY. Later, it became a Trans World Express operator for a short time through JFK. I was able to ride the jump seat for a JFK arrival and once for a training run. If you got stuck sitting in one of the first 3 rows or so, the vibration from the props was immense. Make your brain turn to scrambled eggs. But sitting in back with those big windows, perfect. Nice footage.
I've had my fair share of watching 580s while living next to DCA in the mid-80s, and I would NEVER tire watching them taxi and take off. Likely one of my favorite planes during those times (followed closely by the Dash-7, Nord 262 and F-27)
The 580 was a wonderful aircraft and the epitome of stability. The best variant of the Convair hands down. On the walk around the Paddle Blade Props were a sight to behold.
Memories! When I was stationed with my company in Sioux Falls, SD, I would fly North Central Airlines. My nickname for those 580s was "Da Buzz Bomb". If the pilots did not have the prop pitch set to ideal - which was seldom, if even possible - I had to keep my arms off the arm rests of the seat. If not done, the vibration would travel through the bones and into the ear, driving a person insane as it vibrated the inner ears. 🤪
Stunning film of the landing of a superb Convair. The landscape, and time of day behind the aircraft really accentuated the whole landing viewing experience - well done!
The Convairs - truly brilliant, tough old birds ... True steam aviation... the Convairs and the B170 taught many a young pilot that the freight business was where the action was... learning at the feet of crusty old blokes. Less technology also made us think more and stay focused...
Beautiful! Nice flying! Been in love with the CV-580 since I was a student pilot in 1968. Allegheny Airlines operated them into Lancaster, PA (KLNS). Me, in a Cessna 150 - completely in awe of the 580's!
I worked for an airline up in Alaska back in the 80’s, Seair Motive out of Anchorage. They had a small fleet of 580’s, with twin otters and beavers. I was out in a bush village at the time. Cool aircraft.
The benefits of high wing loading and low power loading. Once he starts staging the flaps and gets the gear down he can pretty much horsepower all other aspects of the approach. This fact and his skill and experience allow the pilot to control his airspeed and descent rate perfectly and maintain glideslope and track just as you see here. He can choose his descent rate and angle with power, as noticed by those two black trails on final. Of course, that headwind helped some too with all that power, at least on final. Textbook perfect throughout--a thing of beauty. Well done.
That was amazing. I see this bird twice a day at YKA. I love i in the morning when there is a good easterly wind and they pull a tight turn over the NW circuit marker (The beacon) it sure rattles the windows in my house.
Thanks David, always a treat to see the Convair. She turns 70 this year. Definitely one of the louder planes we see at YKA, I love those smokey Allison engines.
I was fortunate to fly in the 580 many times in and out of cmx I would sit next to those huge Allisons and marvel at the throbbing horsepower and sheer size of those engines
I flew the CV580 in passenger operations for 2 years. It was a pilot’s airplane no autopilot but a joy to fly. Passengers loved for first class size seats throughout the whole airplane.😁🛫
Nearly 70 year old plane earnings it keep. A real tribute to the engineers at Convair who designed it in the days of slide rules and the people who maintain such an elegant old ship.
This particular bird is already 70 years old, it was built in early 1954. But yes, it is remarkable to see such an old plane still earning its keep in 2024.
not really, in the 5800 you have to hold the power in all the way toTD, with a 105ft wing the 580 has loads of lift and at 35k empty she is a likes to fly
For about 10 years I commuted to work on one of these that was a charter. We landed on a gravel runway at the work site we flew to. The last fight I took on one was about 2003 when they quit using it because the cost of upgrades to secure the cockpit were prohibitive. I remember the pilot telling us it was built in 1953. I remember that because it is the same year I was born.
Wow, lucky you! I don't believe there are any passenger variants of the Convair 580 in service today, so that was a great opportunity for you. The bird seen here was built in early 1954, so she just turned 70.
Your filming location is the best place to watch aircraft coming and going in Kamloops. I used to go there regularly, sometimes to watch and take pics, and sometimes right after lessons at the flight school just to the left of where you are filming, just to watch T&G's. The firebase there was a bonus, especially when a loaded DC-6 was taking off to the West and standing up the engines before brake release. Seen some incredible aircraft from that perch. BTW, Kelowna Flightcraft flew a Boeing 727 (Purolator livery) in there for an airshow at one point, that was pretty cool.
Thanks for the comment! Yes this spot is pretty good for arrivals and departures, but only when there's a good eastern wind. Wow, I had no idea we ever had DC-6 Airtankers here, I'm sure that was long before my time though.
I "logged" 20 minutes in one when i was 8 years old; the truth is I sat in the FO's seat and my father told me " don't touch anything". I still think they are a great airplane. The real beast versions are the CV-580s that have been re-powered with the turbo prop engines from the Electra.
Thanks for the comment! I'm a huge fan of both the Convair 580 and the Electra, the sound of the Allisons never gets old. You were very lucky to get a ride in the cockpit, that would be a dream come true for me. Cheers!
I had the pleasure of flying on the CV-580 on several occasions in the late seventies and early eighties. Air California operated service between San Diego and Oakland which I flew round trip on. Another occasion was flying from Gunnison Co to Denver while in college. My last time was on a beautiful 580 corporate plane coast to coast and back. A classic airplane.
My dad arranged with North Central for our Cub Scout troop to do a 1/2 hour flight over Detroit. It was my first flight. The pilot did a steep bank over the city and the kid in front of me lost it in the barf bag. Pretty soon, most of the rest of us followed suit. 🤢
Lol, thanks for the story. Luckily the bird seen here only hauls cargo, otherwise I'm sure the aircraft would be covered in vomit. The KF Aero pilots always like to perform some wicked approaches into Kamloops.
Is Kelowna Fiightcraft still around. I thought they were running a Convair back in early 80's. And Purolator courier Air transport.. I was taking private lessons next to their hanger.
@@Ykaspotter Interesting. Takes me back to the best summer I ever had. Flying in the morning. Sailing on OK lake in the evenings. Dont miss the Okanagan now though.
Great video. Nice camera work. The compression of the B/G really makes the aircraft stand out. You used a tripod, nice steady image. What is the long focal length as the plane was on base?
No, I'm quite certain it's a 580. Look up the registration if you don't believe me. (C-GKFF) We only have one remaining 5800 in Canada (C-GKFS), and it's been over a decade since it last came into this airport.
The black smoke trains do not mean it pollutes more than any other plane. Turboprop engines are very efficient, and this bird likely burns much less fuel than any commercial jet flying today.
Still a beautiful aircraft after all these years. My first flight as a 4 year old was aboard an American CV-340. The “stewardess“ gave me my wings.
There’s nothing quite like the sounds of those big Allison’s when they go from alpha into beta on landing.
Allison's what? No apostrophe required.
being a brit i should prefer the hs748(andover, having been in a RAF Andover CC Mk1) but the RR Dart is a screamer, the 501D is much quieter(and more powerful) but i love the CV580 🤩
Having lived next to DCA in the 80s, I had the priveledge of witnessing both plenty of Allisons and Darts. And the best sounding engine was....the Turbomeca Bastan 😂. Seriously though, all of them old-school tprops sounded fantastic. Even the nearly mute Dash-7's. @@oldfatbastad6053
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El 748 , cumplió servicios para el escuadrón de los Reyes de Inglaterra.
Love watching these smoking golden oldies still gracing the blue skies above!
Same here! Thanks for the comment.
Siempre los prefiero con sus motores radiales originales.
I miss the CV-580. I had the opportunity to work a charter company servicing Atlantic City, NJ. Casino runs on the weekends. The company, Westates Airlines, flew the 580 out of Niagara Falls, NY. Later, it became a Trans World Express operator for a short time through JFK. I was able to ride the jump seat for a JFK arrival and once for a training run. If you got stuck sitting in one of the first 3 rows or so, the vibration from the props was immense. Make your brain turn to scrambled eggs. But sitting in back with those big windows, perfect.
Nice footage.
I've had my fair share of watching 580s while living next to DCA in the mid-80s, and I would NEVER tire watching them taxi and take off. Likely one of my favorite planes during those times (followed closely by the Dash-7, Nord 262 and F-27)
The 580 was a wonderful aircraft and the epitome of stability. The best variant of the Convair hands down.
On the walk around the Paddle Blade Props were a sight to behold.
I totally agree with you. Thanks for the comment.
Beautiful approach and landing view, love these classics. Great footage!
Thanks for the comment! I definitely have to agree with you there, can't beat the classics.
Memories! When I was stationed with my company in Sioux Falls, SD, I would fly North Central Airlines. My nickname for those 580s was "Da Buzz Bomb". If the pilots did not have the prop pitch set to ideal - which was seldom, if even possible - I had to keep my arms off the arm rests of the seat. If not done, the vibration would travel through the bones and into the ear, driving a person insane as it vibrated the inner ears. 🤪
Wow that's interesting! I definitely didn't know that about the 580.
Had a ride in one of these flown by the Army Corps of Engineers in Saudi Arabia back in the 80's. Smooth, comfortable aircraft!
Stunning film of the landing of a superb Convair. The landscape, and time of day behind the aircraft really accentuated the whole landing viewing experience - well done!
Thank you very much! I appreciate the kind words and feedback!
Actually as a camera guy the shooter did a great job here, the landing was also flawless too... I enjoy these birds a lot, thanks!!!
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words. 😊
The Convairs - truly brilliant, tough old birds ... True steam aviation... the Convairs and the B170 taught many a young pilot that the freight business was where the action was... learning at the feet of crusty old blokes. Less technology also made us think more and stay focused...
Turboprop engines have certainly gotten cleaner since this classic was built.
Nothing beats the classics, these Allison engines are far more powerful and reliable than any garbage built today.
WOW.......how very beautiful. Thank you for sharing
Thank you!
Beautiful! Nice flying! Been in love with the CV-580 since I was a student pilot in 1968. Allegheny Airlines operated them into Lancaster, PA (KLNS). Me, in a Cessna 150 - completely in awe of the 580's!
I worked for an airline up in Alaska back in the 80’s, Seair Motive out of Anchorage. They had a small fleet of 580’s, with twin otters and beavers. I was out in a bush village at the time. Cool aircraft.
That's awesome! And yes I have to agree, it definitely is a very cool aircraft. Cheers.
The benefits of high wing loading and low power loading. Once he starts staging the flaps and gets the gear down he can pretty much horsepower all other aspects of the approach. This fact and his skill and experience allow the pilot to control his airspeed and descent rate perfectly and maintain glideslope and track just as you see here. He can choose his descent rate and angle with power, as noticed by those two black trails on final. Of course, that headwind helped some too with all that power, at least on final. Textbook perfect throughout--a thing of beauty. Well done.
The CV-580 is a great looking and functioning aircraft. They should make these again for short passenger service. Thanks for posting.
yep, beautiful touch
I used to FAM in North Central Airlines CV580's from Detroit Metro to Lansing in my Air Traffic Control days in Michigan.
Worked heavy in the 90's on 340.440.580, such a great aircraft,
That was amazing. I see this bird twice a day at YKA. I love i in the morning when there is a good easterly wind and they pull a tight turn over the NW circuit marker (The beacon) it sure rattles the windows in my house.
Thanks David, always a treat to see the Convair. She turns 70 this year. Definitely one of the louder planes we see at YKA, I love those smokey Allison engines.
That is a beautiful video! Lovely aeroplane and stunning light on the mountains! Superb!!
Thank you very much!
Rode in a 580 one time blasting off out of Durango Colorado. Those Allisons get the job done!
CV-580 one f my favorites, still flying in South Fla. to the islands.
One of my favorites too, I think the Electra still has to be my absolute favorite though. Yes the IFL group does operate a handful of 580s and 5800s.
I was fortunate to fly in the 580 many times in and out of cmx
I would sit next to those huge Allisons and marvel at the throbbing horsepower and sheer size of those engines
I flew the CV580 in passenger operations for 2 years. It was a pilot’s airplane no autopilot but a joy to fly. Passengers loved for first class size seats throughout the whole airplane.😁🛫
Loved flying on the CV-240 recip 1950's-60's on Hawaiian Airlines.
Nearly 70 year old plane earnings it keep. A real tribute to the engineers at Convair who designed it in the days of slide rules and the people who maintain such an elegant old ship.
This particular bird is already 70 years old, it was built in early 1954. But yes, it is remarkable to see such an old plane still earning its keep in 2024.
thats the sound of those amazing Allison 501d-13 engines.
Yes indeed, my favorite engine.
Poetry in motion.
The filming of this approach and landing was outstanding. It is so easy to watch, but so demanding to accomplish. Bravo Zulu
Thank you very much! I appreciate the feedback.
not really, in the 5800 you have to hold the power in all the way toTD, with a 105ft wing the 580 has loads of lift and at 35k empty she is a likes to fly
For about 10 years I commuted to work on one of these that was a charter. We landed on a gravel runway at the work site we flew to. The last fight I took on one was about 2003 when they quit using it because the cost of upgrades to secure the cockpit were prohibitive. I remember the pilot telling us it was built in 1953. I remember that because it is the same year I was born.
Wow, lucky you! I don't believe there are any passenger variants of the Convair 580 in service today, so that was a great opportunity for you. The bird seen here was built in early 1954, so she just turned 70.
@@Ykaspotter I always loved the sound of those turboprops. I worked on the avionics on P-3s when I was in the US Navy
Cool video! as a kid I flew in 240s all the way to 580s
Thanks, that's awesome!
That was beautiful! I love the old bird's.
Thank you very much! I love them too, so glad I get to see them as frequently as I do.
Your filming location is the best place to watch aircraft coming and going in Kamloops. I used to go there regularly, sometimes to watch and take pics, and sometimes right after lessons at the flight school just to the left of where you are filming, just to watch T&G's. The firebase there was a bonus, especially when a loaded DC-6 was taking off to the West and standing up the engines before brake release. Seen some incredible aircraft from that perch. BTW, Kelowna Flightcraft flew a Boeing 727 (Purolator livery) in there for an airshow at one point, that was pretty cool.
Thanks for the comment! Yes this spot is pretty good for arrivals and departures, but only when there's a good eastern wind. Wow, I had no idea we ever had DC-6 Airtankers here, I'm sure that was long before my time though.
WOW!!! Too cool! Memories! :)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Every evening at 6:00pm, the KFC Convair departs YYJ and flies over my house. Such a distinct sound today.
KFC 🤣
A 580 doing operational flights ??? Whow.... so cool.
Yes it is very cool indeed! KF Aerospace is the last commercial operator of the Convair 580 here in Canada.
What a treat!
Absolutely! Never gets old.
Great video - thanks for going out in the cold to record it.
I "logged" 20 minutes in one when i was 8 years old; the truth is I sat in the FO's seat and my father told me " don't touch anything". I still think they are a great airplane. The real beast versions are the CV-580s that have been re-powered with the turbo prop engines from the Electra.
Thanks for the comment! I'm a huge fan of both the Convair 580 and the Electra, the sound of the Allisons never gets old. You were very lucky to get a ride in the cockpit, that would be a dream come true for me. Cheers!
I had the pleasure of flying on the CV-580 on several occasions in the late seventies and early eighties. Air California operated service between San Diego and Oakland which I flew round trip on. Another occasion was flying from Gunnison Co to Denver while in college. My last time was on a beautiful 580 corporate plane coast to coast and back.
A classic airplane.
580 is correct.I worked for North Central in the 60s when they were converting the piston Convairs to turbines. The next step was to,DC-9s.
Nice looking plane
Yes it definitely is, thanks for the comment.
Beautiful!!
Thanks, James!
My dad arranged with North Central for our Cub Scout troop to do a 1/2 hour flight over Detroit. It was my first flight. The pilot did a steep bank over the city and the kid in front of me lost it in the barf bag. Pretty soon, most of the rest of us followed suit. 🤢
Lol, thanks for the story. Luckily the bird seen here only hauls cargo, otherwise I'm sure the aircraft would be covered in vomit. The KF Aero pilots always like to perform some wicked approaches into Kamloops.
3 degrees from top to landing, high standard!
Nothing like a a turbo prop going into reverse! (P-3 flight engineer 1982-1995)
I agree, such a cool sound.
Hurrah for the Props!
Heck with jets! I want one of those!
We don't see much for jets here at YKA, but I'm not complaining about the classic propliners.
Is Kelowna Fiightcraft still around. I thought they were running a Convair back in early 80's. And Purolator courier Air transport.. I was taking private lessons next to their hanger.
Yes they've been flying the Convairs for quite some time now.
@@Ykaspotter Interesting. Takes me back to the best summer I ever had. Flying in the morning. Sailing on OK lake in the evenings. Dont miss the Okanagan now though.
Wonderful! Liked and subbed!
Thanks! Much appreciated.
Excellent videographer
Thanks!
Frontier flew them out of Gunnison, CO, rode on them several times, lots of RR power!
Did you mean Allison power?
Great video. Nice camera work. The compression of the B/G really makes the aircraft stand out. You used a tripod, nice steady image. What is the long focal length as the plane was on base?
Thank you! I use a Can EFS 55-250mm telephoto lens for video, so the longer focal lengths would be 250mm.
Very cool!
Thank you!
Fly them in late 70s was lots of fun but they are loud in cockpit.
I think they're probably loud just about everywhere, definitely loud from the ground.
Excelente
I bet it is a lot more quiet inside than the 540, or was it a 560 that I got a ride in. Excellent camera work!
You're probably right, although I couldn't tell you for certain. Thanks for the comment!
Wow those old engines are dirty, and throttled back no less.
Love the long smoke trails, not something you see a whole lot these days.
Sound of L-188 Electra II
Smooth …
Это моя авиация! Я отлетал на Ан24 26 32 6000 часов , турбо. Преклоняюсь экипажам на этом самолете.
Это классно, но не просто!!!
Question is that Convair engines the same type that powered the B36 peace maker ??
No, the 580 has Allison turboprop engines, like the Lockheed electra and the C130. The convair 440 had radials
@@pauljanssens4449 Cool, in my Navy ROTC days I flew on a P3, many many years ago.
Allison ftw.
You got it!
Do Kesar and Jacob know this video exists? If not, I'd love to send a link to them!
I did send Jacob the link, but I totally forgot to send it to Kesar! You're more than welcome to send it to him if you'd like.
@Ykaspotter I will do so...thanks!
Was that convair 580 from prince george?
@@Jonglerrhumbum it certainly was.
580 or 5800?
There's only one CV-5800 as C-GKFS and it has not been in the airport for some time according to data.
Who makes the engines ? engine ?
@@johnandnadakennelley6547these engines are Alison 501-D13s.
This is C-GKFF, which is a Convair CV-580. C-GKFS is a 5800, but has only been flying into Victoria and Kelowna recently.
That is a 58oo. A stretched 580
No, I'm quite certain it's a 580. Look up the registration if you don't believe me. (C-GKFF) We only have one remaining 5800 in Canada (C-GKFS), and it's been over a decade since it last came into this airport.
yup, you are right. KFS does yyj
Beauty Eh?
Yes it certainly is, thanks!
a twin electra lol
Indeed!
Grease job.
Definitely!
Beautiful plane but too much pollution
The black smoke trains do not mean it pollutes more than any other plane. Turboprop engines are very efficient, and this bird likely burns much less fuel than any commercial jet flying today.