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Initially Krav Maga had the techniques that you have mentioned but they have been removed after a 16y.o. girl was attacked. The attacker pined her against the wall with his body (not with his hands) so those striking techniques did not work, she could not breath and panicked, went for the fingers of the attacker and managed to open a gap and breath. No matter what you learn, once you can't breath you go for what ever obstructing your breath, this is why we teach this technique. Re your second comment, advanced Krav Maga we do teach defence against attacks from all directions, not just against attacks directly from the front, directly from the back or directly from the sides. I am constantly on the lookout for something more practical / effective to what I am teaching, if I will be convinced that there is a more practical or more effective technique, I will adopt it. In this case I will not change my techniques but thanks for your comments.
I am a Krav Maga instructor in the IKMF. I liked your analysis. You are correct in that chokes usually include momentum, which is why the rotating defence exists, along with variants ehich include some soft solutions. We teach the plucking defence as a platform for other defences, including some close knife threats, but most importantly for the mounted and side chokes while on the ground, which would be difficult to execute with the rotating defence while someone is on top of you, we pair that with bridging, throwing your attacker, whether he be mounting your stomach or back. Also, plucking allows you to gain control of the persons hands, pinning them to your chest if need be, controlling your attacker if necessary. Another counter I have for you ;) is that the 4 90 degree planes we demonstrate defences from are merely the base models, from there we teach how to adapt, and you can do that from either sides, front or back. Personally I prefer the rotating defences but plucking is a teaching tool for later defences and has some advantages as I've mentioned above. Kida!
You cannot control the hands in this way. In training, yes, but no one will allow you to hold their hands like that. On the ground, we don't do the rotational defense or the pluck, and we don't deem the side choke realistic (and even if it were, we prefer to change the position, with understanding of spacial issues.) I simply don't buy into the idea that "we will teach this thing so that we can use it for other things later, even though we think there are better things for this thing." Thanks for the comments, and take care!
rabbitstew45 nicely put...i ve watched quite alot of vids in which a fragment of the system (often from p1 p2 lvl ....yeah practitioner levels... no belts ...only the ones keeping your pants from falling) are being critisized as if they are the whole system. Judging from my own experience with ikmf the system has a clear structure from the ground lvls to the top ,it focuses a lot to the upredictabillity of real life situations and also has a remarkable adaptive character ......i ve personaly seen teqniques change due to better study of the situation ,or even data coming in from real events ,more than once. Adding to the above i have to point out that its really important to choose carefully where you learn krav, self defence etc....
Im in another krav Maga Organisation. And i think that we can use that later or is for higher degree thing is one of the Problems because you should teach youre students whats really work on the street as simple it can be but not less effectiv. The hole graduation thing is just for money. Self defense is not a 'sport' you can win something in a contest it should keep you Safe when youre in a Bad Situation.
The static chokes and the 2 (front and rear) chokes are taught very early on in Krav Maga. To be blunt, (I'm only an Orange belt, but I do have some insight into this) the one thing I have noticed with a lot of Krav Maga is that initially it gives you a concept and confidence to defend yourself. Most people who walk through the door into a session have likely never hit another human being, some have only seen violence at a distance and most I know for a fact spend most of their days in an office or doing very little. These people need a place to start and it needs to be simple.
I am also a krav maga instructor. the whole basis behind plucking is its a natural reaction. if the person feels pain the instinct is to bring the hands to the source of pain. also from a learning platform plucking should be taught because it's the easiest to learn. even again pushing and pulling chokes I am attempting pluck first before using rotation
Blair Any Krav Maga instructor who has been certified by Itay Gil personally should at least provide good Krav Maga technique content. How well they train students in that content is another question.
Blair I’d also add, if you are a beginner and the school starts training beginner students in gun disarms, knife defences, third party protection and multiple attacker defences when they haven’t even shown you how to take a correct fighting stance and how to do the basics like jab/cross/hook/uppercut palm strike and hammer fist, and how to protect your head from a simple haymaker punch, that’s a bad sign.
Go with KMG (Krav Maga Global), Eyal systematised Krav Maga under Imi's guidance, they are the most current and developed Krav system. Every club is very welcoming and friendly, haven't been to a bad club yet.
As I Krav instructor I really like what you’ve done and some of the tips here make sense as I say the same to my students but if I have to option to take a punch to the chin or kick in then it’s I’ll pick chin every time. Having said that I teach strike to the groin followed by and uppercut due after the pluck
I agree. When I was training in Krav I always asked to see the street version bc I knew what you're saying here, it's not going to be static 90° attack. The attack will come at an angle. I was the student always doing mods of whatever move class was taught
thanks guys, that was a great video and makes a ton of sense. Keep up the good work, we need more of this real world self defense. Learning one move over and over is much easier for the average person defending themselves than learning even 4 or 5 moves.
Level 3 here, and we were going over two handed standing choke defense last night. The cupped hand double ear strike or clawing the eyes seems like it would be effective against a straight forward standing choke.
IV been teaching a pluck for over 10 years and I am applying this to my curriculum asap. We teach the rotation to but it makes no sense to have 6 or 7 choke defenses when you can have one that works great and can easily be taught.
I am a 2nd degree black belt in Krav Maga. And i agree. Tbh, the single rotational defence , you came up with, fusing 5 techniques is what we generally use, at higher levels. Most of the instructors are not even instructors. The time lapse step by step BS doesnt work in the real world. In reality a fight is like a car accident. Violent. Fast. Confusing. And deadly.
So in other words, the only useful techniques in KM are muay thai and whatever grappling they've incorporated. Might as well just train muay thai and/or jiu jitsu.
@@PalashaGabarra they include bjj, aikido wrestling and judo for grappling and for striking its Muay Thai boxing karate and wing chun and maybe even more so it’s pretty much an mma but what seperates it from mma is its differences which are dirty blows when necessary, pressure tested techniques, tactics, weapons fighting and handling how to fight against multiple opponents and more so it’s great to compliment a fighting style because an mma fighter practices more mma then a Krav Maga fighter id think even though the entire foundation of Krav Maga is mma so mma would be a good supplementa for Krav Maga since it coincides with it and just causes for reinforcement of Krav Maga but I always advise to find a good school because of widespread they let people teach Krav Maga from a one week course which is garbage just because of the instructors and not the system so finding the right school is essential
If you get accidentally kicked in the groin in a soccer match, you may walk it off and continue to play. If someone snaps out a well-trained rising front kick intended to come out the top of your head, you probably aren't "just walking it off" - it may not be a show-stopper, but it definitely shifts the initiative in the fight (considering not just the testes, but the shock to the perineum, pelvis, and lower spine). You have several follow-up elbow/hammerfist/hook options immediately after the kick, whether it connects and collapses his posture or not. If he does collapse toward you, you can pivot out of the way, and/or (depending on the weight differential) control the collapse if you keep his hands trapped after the pluck. That said, this torso rotation technique is undoubtedly a strong and perhaps even better response to a static choke (which, granted, is a pretty unlikely choke). At my school, we train a variation of the the one-handed pluck where instead of palm-heeling the chin upward, we elbow upward into the chin, turn, and drop the same elbow down onto the trapped arm's bicep, which can transition into a shoulder torsion/philtrum control position from behind, or a spinning elbow with the plucking arm. However, the main reason I think it's important to learn the traditional plucks is their application in being choked from the mount or back mount, where you can't effectively rotate, and you may literally have to pluck for your life.
Plucking has a low success rate against someone who has a very strong grip on your neck. Often I have women or smaller framed students try to pluck my grip from their neck and they just don't have the strength in their wrists and arms to clear my hands. This technique that is demonstrated in this video is also in Krav Maga curriculum and this has a much higher rate of success. I agree with everything in this video, why not use the one technique that works for all of the situations.
It really depends on how good or weak your technique is. The plucking has to be extremely explosive and violent. Like a good punch. / It relies somewhat on strong hands but it is plenty possible to use it to overcome a stronger opponent using their full strength on the choke grip. I’ve done it many times under pressure
Let's not forget about the knee/shin rupturing the attackers testicles simultaneously with the pluck. Plucks are very efficient. Thats why they are taught as the first option beginners.
I have always respect your analysis and expertise. Do you have a educational DVD series? Where are you located and do you have a recommended directory?
I like your analysis. I remember in a class not too long ago, we were drilling that basic pluck defense and instinctively I went for the alternative you showed. My reasoning was that it's easier, less effort, and more effective. I never really thought of it the way you did though, I guess it's not only less effective, it may be somewhat redundant too.
Yes! I've been choked and pushed back. It sucks. I like that windmill motion for the front choke because the hip rotation might stop him from ending up on top if he drives forward. An exception from rule of thumb to go thumb side to release the grip.
I agree with this. You mentioned in your comment that you don’t do plucking AND rotational defense when someone chokes you on a mount position, how will you address that kind of situation? Or do you have a video that will explain that? Thank you.
I liked the video and what you had to say. I've been training in Krav for just over a year now and understand the mechanics behind your technique. I must admit, our teachers show us how to pluck and if that does not work, we learn something similar to what you are showing. We also start off in static attacks and gradually work up to more agressive attacks. I do like learning this way because if feel its most effective. Again, I'm still learning and I respect everyones opinions in the comments.
Appreciate what you are doing and agree with many of the issues you raise here in terms of the realism of a standing front choke without any push or overt aggression - question for you that occurred to me is; What would you teach for the defence against the choke on the ground, from the side - typically taught is pluck w/ a strike before getting a knee shield in place, creating distance, up kicking to get the attacker off. Best regards
love the explanation, i have one question. Why dont you use the judo technique "tai gatame ude kujiki" ? once you have broken the wrist, why do you not keep control of the wrist, and with the attackers hyperextended elbow under your armpit/rib area, continue your momentum down and away, and take them to the floor face first. you can add a face strike initially as you swing your arm over in the initial movement (or reverse backfist). We have been developing similar techniques, only difference is we try to grab a wrist and step back to pull attacker off balance first, (then swing the arm over, with optional strike, and grab a dbl hand grip on the wrist).. we do that because in a choke situation the attacker is always much larger, otherwise a choke is not viable. they usually come with speed and force, aggressively, so thats why we grab a hand and take a big step backwards as hard as possible to accebtuate their momentum.. maybe you could try our technique and give an opinion?? Search for "tai gatame ude kujiki" for a video demo if my explanation was not clear. 💚
Love this video! My Krav Maga instructor has the same mindset and logic, keep it simple and effective, there’s no need for multiple techniques if one works, because in a fight, you can’t actually know the exact angle from which they will attack, and sticking to one technique is really the only real solution.
I always thought it made zero sense to walk up and hand choke someone. It's leave you valnerable in so many ways. If your are some huge monster of a guy grabbing some tiny little person around the neck, it might work.
Plus he might use it to shove your head into a wall. That'll do real damage. If you don't expect it and aren't trained to react instantly there's a good chance you will lose, no matter how big and strong you are. It's the element of surprise and the violence of employment which make it dangerous: obviously it'd be stupid to use two hands like that against someone who expected aggression. Unless it's used against a frightened female or anyone that has basically been intimidated enough to have given up already.
Plus he might use it to shove your head into a wall. That'll do real damage. If you don't expect it and aren't trained to react instantly there's a good chance you will lose, no matter how big and strong you are. It's the element of surprise and the violence of employment which make it dangerous: obviously it'd be stupid to use two hands like that against someone who expected aggression. Unless it's used against a frightened female or anyone that has basically been intimidated enough to have given up already.
The thing with the throat is people panic. Someone grabbing your throat is infinitely more intimidating than a busted lip. Most people aren’t trained. Most people have never been in more than 2 fights their whole lives.
Debunking Krav with Krav. One of the main counter chokes taught, the one in video, generally called the tin man. I do like teaching the one technique to most situations. The groin kick isnt meant to be all end all in the equation. It as much a distraction as anything to lead into the principle of overwhelming the attacker. There isnt a 100% right answer for all situations.
Yeah groin kick is not a fight ender always and should be be relied on to be so every time. There is also a delay before you feel it Strongly. The same with attempted throat punches and eye gouges. If they work great but don't expect them to be an end all. At least that was what I was told many years ago.
Keep it SIMPLE is the key.In a lot of MC DOJO, they teach hundreds of techniques but the students practice these techniques for only few minutes. Train hard and repeat. Dont stop training when a technique became good, train again and be sure to never lose with this technique.
I like the video and the explanation and break down of the choke and the pluck defense and the demonstration, as a Krav practitioner I would like to add one key element, a small bit of information and that is when someone is choking or attempting to choke you with their hands /static choke the thing to remember is if they have no thumbs they can't choke you, essentially a static choke is the thumbs applying pressure to the throat, one can't do a static choke with no thumbs, I like the pluck defense, maybe it's because I'm a big guy and it doesn't take much effort for me to defend the choke from any angle, plus I like the idea that I can use the aggressors aggression against them again love the explanation and break down but I think that success depends on the person and the way they use the technique again great video
Ryan, what would you do if you're being choke from the ground? Usually we will do pluck then buck trap roll. Would you still use plucking from the ground?
Interesting comments. I think you are spot on about simplicity! Under combat stress most people, including experienced people, lose the ability to cycle through multiple techniques in order to select one of multiple option. Having a single go to technique is an easy way to address the issue.
how frequently does two hand, face to face choking even occur in a real world fight situation? i've never had it happen to me, never seen it and never had anyone tell me about it happening to them. now, that's certainly not a rigorous sample set, and i imagine it may be more common in attacks on women, so i'm curious what your opinion is as a self-defense expert.
I like this guy’s approach, while I do many different style of martial arts and I had pull some of those grabs and counter grabs in real situations, I’ve also notice that when shit hits the fan, the simplest solutions are always the best
The thing about Krav Maga is that it's always changing and adding new techniques to the arsenal. This particular technique is something that I've learned in KM. As a matter of fact, I was taught more than one technique for each different situation and we definitely trained with violent chokes not just weak static chokes.
That's being progressive. That's what Bruce Lee said 50 years ago. People are finally catching up Check out Paul Progressive fighting systems. Jeet kune do concepts. "Be like water my friend"
Hi, I like your points. I also prefer stab-rotation solution. But one thing: Instinctive movements... Krav maga is intended for average persons. For such people, devoted amateurs instinctive movements comes first in stressfull cases. That's why the hook-like basic solutions are valid. Personal experience: My instructor choked me once so unexpectedly strongly that I forget every other solution except the basic hooking. I did it so fast that if he had wanted to break my trachea maybe, maybe I would have some chance to loose enough his grab to gain a second to go on with a kick or punch or whatever.
As I see it both positions can be true in reality: I've seen videos where trained fighters wearing groin protection got hit in the groin in competition and dropped like a sack of potatoes and there are instances where it does nothing. Same with that hammerfist: it might work very well or the guy may have a jaw of steel and a massive neck and it won't even move his head. You won't know untill it actually happens: that's why you should always use combo's and alternate between levels. Sooner or later something will come through for you, if not you're fighting superman. You make a good point when you state it's beter to have one response that'll work against a variety of lines of attack than having 5 or more. As I understand it krav maga is a significant simplification when compared to traditional martial arts like Japanese jujutsu already: there you have a hundred and one different response for one attack. If it can be simplified even more: great.
I have a question about this I would appreciate it if you responded I’m trying to find a good system to become a somewhat good fighter and the systems I plan on doing are Krav Maga, mma and bjj up to blue belt. I like Krav Maga because it’s pretty much mma but with pressure testing like multiple opponents and out of breath situations as well as other disadvantageous situations and tactics they also teach weapons fighting and disarms and dirty blows when necessary. I do realize that there are a lot of garbage schools for Krav Maga that’s because of widespread they want to get it out to more people so they don’t train the teachers enough but there are good instructors like former idf and ex military or people with a lot of Martial arts background but still Krav Maga would only be a component of a good system because mma would be a reinforcement to the Krav Maga foundation because mma fighters are more proficient at mma then Krav Maga fighters are but they both have their own skill sets so it would be like the best of both worlds at that point and the bjj to blue belt is to further reinforce grappling since I think it’s necessary to get any good at grappling, only blue belt because both Krav Maga and mma both teach bjj already and more arts in combination for better grappling like judo and wrestling. For striking I don’t think that needs further reinforcement since it’s the strong suit of both Krav Maga and mma like Muay Thai, boxing karate and more is taught in both already. Is this a good system or would taking Muay Thai and bjj be a better idea, I do like everything taught in Krav Maga but I don’t like being taught by uneducated instructors that would teach what you demonstrated and I like mma to get better at just the mma part of Krav Maga and combine the two and bjj is effective but I feel like it would be more effective when combined with the pressure testing taught in Krav Maga and the additional wrestling and judo taught in both Krav Maga and mma. I don’t know if this is all to overcomplicated so would just taking bjj and Muay Thai be a better idea or what do you think
Or is what you demonstrated in the actual Krav Maga curriculum if so they should perfect it, I know the system evolves because they added arts like bjj in some curriculums but if Krav Maga really isn’t that good what system would you propose to replace Krav Maga with, just like Krav Maga that would go good with mma and bjj
I agree with MR. Hoover on every front, but the two hand pluck (we use a simple overhand punch and same arm uppercut as a means to build our wall) the two hand pluck "done right" helps with many other techniques and teaches "agressive Restance" to the student - we chose to keep it. Things to think about. Thank you RH and Fit to fight!!
The technique that you are showing used to be part of KM but it was filtered out... it doesn't work in some cases (for example if the attacker pulling you towards him and is glued to you + giving you a few good heads to your nose / face, etc.) not to mention that if you don't have air, no matter what you have learnt, you will go into panic mode end focus on the fingers on you neck.
I practice Krav and jujitsu. Obviously for self defense. Most people in my circle of friends won't practice because they claim to be lovers not fighter's. Their logic is flawed. The majority of people I know are weak-minded and outta shape. I must admit, if a perpetrator came at me and had cauliflower ear. I'm running as fast as I can..lol.
Only few knows it really is a bullshit to make money on weak people thinking it will help them defence themselves. True is if you are not a sports personality with a lot of strength nothing will help you and if you only excersise at least a boxing nothing more is needed to not get bitten. Krav mags is nothing but same thing but dressed in this weird sounding marketing name.
You do realize that Krav Maga was never intended to be for self-defense, right? It was only intended for combat purposes. they never teach the people in the Israeli army about how to use it in self defense, they always teach them how to use it in a fight. These people who teach krav Maga as a self-defense system are incorrect, and also at the same time they are con artists. This is why Krav Maga is bullshit.
Students have to start somewhere. I've just begun my Krav training and I like the baby steps of plucking. I understand it's not universal, but it's a good starting point...
Pardon me being so straightforward, but were you actually kicked hard in the groin? I was and whilst being hit in the face with bodyweight behind the shot dazed me, the groin kick was way more debilitating.
iam! not certain if you're speaking Pro or Con about krav maga. I will say, what you ultimately described is what krav maga is based on. Using one move to counter several types of attacks.
QUESTION??? I have a question for Fit to Fight Republic When your being choke the untrain people or even the train people for that matter, Initial reaction might be to go/grab the hands of the attacker,,,therefore the krav maga makes sense as a common reaction. How many people under stress or caught by surprise or even with training would raise their hand first and then rotate its not a natural reaction unless you have done many hours of training and have muscle memory. Question would your technique work for a weaker person against a stronger attacker with stronger upper body strength???
I teach this almost exactly the same way - I call this escape/counter the "High Five", because any student can remember to high five someone trying to choke them, which puts them in the correct position to do it correctly. This video is one of the best I have seen. Period. Your insight into the absolutely silly idea that any choke would ever be static is spot on... Even if your artacker drives you to a wall (which they like to do, because they think it gives THEM leverage) this technique will work beautifully. Again, excellent work.
another option if you "choose to keep the kick" is to emedatly hip out and two hand push the head to the side" almost more advanced, perhaps it's more challenging to a new student
I know different Krav Maga vary, but I have been taught a different defense against a front choke with an advance (you certainly aren't kicking when losing balance), but it still comes with a pluck. Have you tried your choke defense with a much weaker person defending from a much stronger one? In my experience only the pluck works (if done properly) with very differently weighted opponents.
I train on Krav Maga for a little more than a year now. I've chosen the last one you showed, when you told him to choke you really hard, twisting a little while lifting the arm and sinking with the forearm on the choke, then attacking with the palm strike. Good to know that my approach makes sense, I probably saw it somewhere else and it got ingrained in my mind. I like simple actions/reactions, but my instructor has a penchant for fancy shit from time to time, I respect but don't take it to my heart. I like your videos on Funker Tactical and I'll start following your channel now.
Very true i learned that choke break in the late 90s from my karate instructor and there is no better way to break it and when you really get the move you can break it with a loc of the shoulder no hand movement
@@survivorprepper9218 I'm going to be honest with you because I take this stuff seriously and I really dislike bullshit martial arts trainers that give people false confidence. It's dangerous, and it's pretty much a con. KM trainers are charlatan snake oil salesmen. The actual krav maga that is taught to Israeli soldiers is not even close to the shit KM dojos teach. If you asked IDF soldiers if KM teaches you how to disarm someone with a knife for example, and be able to do it consistently without getting hurt, they'd look at you like you're an idiot. They don't learn crap like that. Nor do they train to be able to fight 5 guys, or any of the other shit KM claims to teach people. Yeah getting hit in the balls is pretty effective for about 15 seconds if you manage to pull it off, but that's not really going to save you from a competent fighter. Everybody can go for a nut kick. If you know krav maga and you have to fight someone who knows boxing, or wrestling, or jiu jitsu or any real martial art, then it's basically a fight between a guy who doesn't know how to fight going for nut shots the whole time, versus a guy who knows how to fight who can also go for nut shots if he wants to. You're at a huge disadvantage. If you train krav maga, then you just flat out don't know how to fight. Period. People who say shit like this are the most clueless in real life. You wouldn't even be able to land a solid punch on a boxer, let alone poke his eyes which requires even more accuracy. Krav maga is like aikido. It *MIGHT* work on someone who doesn't know how to fight at all, and is smaller and weaker than you. Even that is debatable. But against anyone that isn't totally clueless you're fucked. As far as I'm concerned you're wasting your time. Because there are martial arts you can learn that demonstrably work on trained killers, and you're trying to learn some bullshit that may or may not work on regular people that don't train and aren't athletic. I don't want to be a dick, but I have to tell the truth. This is a subject that matters to me and I'm not going to indulge your delusions because you could end up putting yourself in a really bad situation.
@@PalashaGabarra " . If you know krav maga and you have to fight someone who knows boxing, or wrestling, or jiu jitsu or any real martial art, then it's basically a fight between a guy who doesn't know how to fight going" Well it is not designed to be boxing - wrestling - BJJ. BJJ and boxing a great combination. However most KM training is for people unable or unwilling to spend the time to be good in BJJ. But at most KM schools that are worth a damn you can train also in BJJ and some form of Kickboxing to make that part of your KM better. One school local teaches judo and wrestling as well as BJJ and Kickboxing along with KM. KM is only part of the training. I was trained in a style much like KM which I call a general all around style. It saved my life and the life of my girlfriend several years ago. That night BJJ ground fighting would have done me no or little good. The judo and boxing part of my training did. But in a way luck was on my side as much or more than skill. It was a two for one fight with me having to fight off both of them. My training was much like the modern day Marine Martial Arts Training (MCMAP) but it was not that actual brand of general training. Mine was more detailed in some ways of stand up fighting.
From the pluck or the bicep to ear would close quarter weapons be better such as elbows, head buts, hammer fists ? When it came to hand on shoulder or choke from behind I was taught something by a instructor not in krav maga per say but trap hand to shoulder with opposite hand then rotate arm around there elbow much like the bicep to ear and the use the lever action from a trapped hand and against there elbows to break there arm woukd that work?
I might be wrong but at the moment I see contradiction. I totally agree that there's a strong chance that the choke will come with the horizontal force pushing the entire body. Which will send the defender's body off balance forcing him to move in that direction. The contradiction I see is in the advantage of the defender starting to spin. IMHO it's at least just as difficult to start spinning while being on backfoot as it is to kick in the groin. Also, I don't see how the spinning will solve the problem of the attacker still having momentum propelling him straight onto the defender. IMHO, in any case, the focus in training should be firmly on keeping the balance and staying on the feet and keeping the control over movement. And whichever choke defense aids this aim is the winning one. Thanks!
I like the way you exagerate the move so it coulb easily understood. I practice karate and karate trainers usualy minimise the moves so it tends to be hard to repit the movement right . That specific defense took me over 50 repeticions before I did it corectly
an aikido friend of mine show me a hold against choke, is called "nikyo" or "nykyo" it reall worked , but this also makes sense, one move to cover all bases is great logic .
Fred Mastro has a similar defense but the choke is broken with the raise of the shoulder/clavicle area versus raising the entire arm but it's from the front only
except that doesn't work... pushing the choke from the top or side will not break (or even bend) it, and if the attacker has longer reach then you, the follow up punch will not connect... I'm speaking from personal experience - i've been in an one handed chock hold against the floor (with the other hand ground pounding), and no amount of flailing to the side helps, and you can't reach the attacker's head to punch. Same situation applies when you're pinned standing against a wall.
FitToFightHQ, yes, this analysis about the need to be dynamic is correct, but this is exactly what they teach you in Krav Maga! I suspect you didn't train long enough (or with a good enough instructor) to know that, so you're a bit too quick to criticize it. Krav Maga is not even my main martial art but I've trained it long enough to know that much. This raises some general questions about your teaching methods...
I really found this information helpful and realistic in relation to actual scenarios playing out. Not a quote on quote staged or presumed attack scenario, Great video!
The head is a small, rounded, moving target that you need to hit with sufficient force at a correct angle. The groin is a point at the end of the triangle formed by the legs. Wouldn't it be 100 times harder to get the knock-out instead of a groin kick? If you don't get the knock-out perfect then you just make them mad, same as the argument for not choosing the groin kick on someone under the influence (although it would work on pretty much everyone else). I don't see anyone addressing this angle of the problem in the comments and would like to hear any thoughts on the subject. Note that I do agree that turning works well in most situations and when not applicable, you can use any grappling mechanism you like to control them or close the distance for more accurate striking (plucking included)
groin shots are fairly hard to land, if you dont trust me look at early MMA organizations that had them allowed, it was very hard to kick someone in the groin as it was always blocked or hidden so you cant reach it.
I am not saying you are wrong. You are totally right but.... you are an advanced KM guy. For you and I is easy to apply a plug. For a newbie not an easy task to perform under stress. The plug adds a few miliseconds that can be lettal for someone who is just starting KM.
Ok this is a cool share and in martial arts it’s always good to look for what works best and keep improving upon. I haven’t started Krav Maga yet but I like hearing your perspective (there was a good counter point I read in comments though) however, where you lost me was in saying to give only 1 option... my common sense red flag went up from that... Like you demonstrate, real life is unpredictable and can be from any angle, so to me multiple options are good to know and be able to utilize if for any factor at all, the first option can’t be done effectively. Instead of only 1 option, why not just make it the first choice?
I like what you have to say it's valid, motion creates motion hit somebody and another part of their body is going to move, but your KM theory is a little off. Kicking someone in the groin is not meant to stop an attacker it is meant to stun or possibly stop. Retsev would be applied and multiple strikes would be used in rapid succession until the threat is neutralized. Next is your pluck, you are very skilled and you are stating the exact reason why it's not performed that way. Its It's more downwards using gravity and all the larger muscles groups of the back are engaged when using that technique also the other defense you showed is taught in KM curriculum so we use both.
I've been training Krav with an Israeli certified instructor. This is the only one I've been shown because of the exact reason you gave. Great video mate, cheers
Krav Maga has multiple defenses against the choke, including the defense you were showing near the end. The pluck is the most basic of chokes and is only practiced in a static hole when initially learning it. And it's a knee not a kick
Did he really just say that he'd prefer to punch the head than strike the groin? I wonder why guys can go 12 rounds of taking strikes to the head but the match stops for a single strike to the groin (not to mention they are usually wearing cups) This is also the guy that says strikes to the eyes are worthless.
The moves you suggest are actually Krav maga techniques that KMG practice at level P4 (body turn upper arm release) plucking is p1(front) and P2(side). This is to change your natural response. And that is to grab the attackers wrists and hold them there.. Dont forget that people who learn this are rookie's that don't have any fighting experience.. so they need to get lost of natural responses first.. the same as ducking your head when you get hit.
Yep Excellent!! So tired of impractical ways of Self Defense. Like you said Attacks Aren’t Static. There is force behind it and at different angles.. We used to practice full force and I will tell you that is the way to practice if you can.. it’s worth the pain..
This is where sport vs reality divides. In sport, you want to have a full bag of tricks. In reality, 1 fact based move should be used against an attack, especially an amateur attack like the throat grab.
There is static, pushing and pulling chokes. The one you're doing is for pushing, where momentum is the priority more so than the choke (sloppy technique too dude, you need to stab the hand up and squish you're bicep to your ear,to squeeze the hand, then hinge.) Plucking is based off of natural reaction, if you saw it early you should have countered, if you've been oblivious and all of a sudden there's hands on your throat, your hands will shoot there automatically, usually. With repetitions we hope to adapt that natural reaction to an efficient pluck, we also dont use the small muscles of the shoulders to pluck, we use them and the stronger lats together, elbows back and slightly down gets 'em both going. There is also a variation where one hand plucks and other hand strikes, one shoulder forward one back, that way the whole body goes into the pluck and the attacker is pulled forward while being hit. The variation is also a great option when being pushed slightly because we needn't kick or knee and end up on the ground as your concerned about. I dislike this video because you've really misrepresented a system you don't seem to have mastered or even understood the principles of. Make your own opinion people but if you want to learn Krav go to a KMG club and be taught by a qualified instructor of the system. I usually like you videos dude but this is, as mentioned earlier a gross misrepresentation of Krav Maga.
Yo I've been doing Krav for about 4 months now through a KMA school on Sacramento and this Monday we had a substitute teacher because the two regulars had pressing matters to attend to. He showed us this defense and mentioned Ryan Hoover and his minimalist philosophy and tbh it blew my mind a bit. I mean why hang on to those five options if one effective one will do? Isn't that better to prepare the typical layman for real world situations? Isn't the entire point of Krav to take any Jow Blow and whip them into fighting shape in as little time as possible?
I don't know if he did it wrong on purpose or if he never learned it the right way . In Krav Maga define and attack at the same time. I have no idea what he was doing . For example , as soon as you feel someone fingers around your neck you pluck and kick the balls at the same time , elbow to the face and then wrist Cavalier take down . Now in my Krav Maga school , yes we do it standing in front of each other at first , then a little faster A little harder , by the end of the class were going full force and we do that with all our techniques .
He's right, also keep in mind that it's very difficult to land a proper groin shot on certain people as they may have layers of fat on their thighs that lessen the blow or might be standing side on.
imo self defense should be simple so you can react without thinking. If you have to do multiple steps to stop someone from choking you then it may be very ineffective in a fight or flight situation with adreneline in the mix.
Initially Krav Maga had the techniques that you have mentioned but they have been removed after a 16y.o. girl was attacked. The attacker pined her against the wall with his body (not with his hands) so those striking techniques did not work, she could not breath and panicked, went for the fingers of the attacker and managed to open a gap and breath. No matter what you learn, once you can't breath you go for what ever obstructing your breath, this is why we teach this technique. Re your second comment, advanced Krav Maga we do teach defence against attacks from all directions, not just against attacks directly from the front, directly from the back or directly from the sides. I am constantly on the lookout for something more practical / effective to what I am teaching, if I will be convinced that there is a more practical or more effective technique, I will adopt it. In this case I will not change my techniques but thanks for your comments.
How come the strikes that the girl used didn't work ? Doesn't she do iron o
Palm ? What areas did she strike attacker?
So one thing happened once and it worked once and you changed your entire curriculum to rely on that one thing? Seems stupid
I am a Krav Maga instructor in the IKMF. I liked your analysis. You are correct in that chokes usually include momentum, which is why the rotating defence exists, along with variants ehich include some soft solutions. We teach the plucking defence as a platform for other defences, including some close knife threats, but most importantly for the mounted and side chokes while on the ground, which would be difficult to execute with the rotating defence while someone is on top of you, we pair that with bridging, throwing your attacker, whether he be mounting your stomach or back. Also, plucking allows you to gain control of the persons hands, pinning them to your chest if need be, controlling your attacker if necessary. Another counter I have for you ;) is that the 4 90 degree planes we demonstrate defences from are merely the base models, from there we teach how to adapt, and you can do that from either sides, front or back.
Personally I prefer the rotating defences but plucking is a teaching tool for later defences and has some advantages as I've mentioned above.
Kida!
You cannot control the hands in this way. In training, yes, but no one will allow you to hold their hands like that. On the ground, we don't do the rotational defense or the pluck, and we don't deem the side choke realistic (and even if it were, we prefer to change the position, with understanding of spacial issues.) I simply don't buy into the idea that "we will teach this thing so that we can use it for other things later, even though we think there are better things for this thing." Thanks for the comments, and take care!
nicely explained and articulated ben
rabbitstew45 wow another false advertising from your art
rabbitstew45 nicely put...i ve watched quite alot of vids in which a fragment of the system (often from p1 p2 lvl ....yeah practitioner levels... no belts ...only the ones keeping your pants from falling) are being critisized as if they are the whole system. Judging from my own experience with ikmf the system has a clear structure from the ground lvls to the top ,it focuses a lot to the upredictabillity of real life situations and also has a remarkable adaptive character ......i ve personaly seen teqniques change due to better study of the situation ,or even data coming in from real events ,more than once. Adding to the above i have to point out that its really important to choose carefully where you learn krav, self defence etc....
Im in another krav Maga Organisation.
And i think that we can use that later or is for higher degree thing is one of the Problems because you should teach youre students whats really work on the street as simple it can be but not less effectiv.
The hole graduation thing is just for money. Self defense is not a 'sport' you can win something in a contest it should keep you Safe when youre in a Bad Situation.
The static chokes and the 2 (front and rear) chokes are taught very early on in Krav Maga. To be blunt, (I'm only an Orange belt, but I do have some insight into this) the one thing I have noticed with a lot of Krav Maga is that initially it gives you a concept and confidence to defend yourself. Most people who walk through the door into a session have likely never hit another human being, some have only seen violence at a distance and most I know for a fact spend most of their days in an office or doing very little. These people need a place to start and it needs to be simple.
Well said
Krav Maga has a belt system now ? Seriously ?
@@djharto4917 some, most don't.
@@djharto4917 This seems to be an American thing i've found, traditionally Krav awards patches instead of belts.
There is also technique against a choke with momentum and it's exactly like the one that you have used
I am also a krav maga instructor. the whole basis behind plucking is its a natural reaction. if the person feels pain the instinct is to bring the hands to the source of pain. also from a learning platform plucking should be taught because it's the easiest to learn. even again pushing and pulling chokes I am attempting pluck first before using rotation
Can you give me tips on how to spot a good Krav Maga trainer please.
Blair Any Krav Maga instructor who has been certified by Itay Gil personally should at least provide good Krav Maga technique content. How well they train students in that content is another question.
Blair I’d also add, if you are a beginner and the school starts training beginner students in gun disarms, knife defences, third party protection and multiple attacker defences when they haven’t even shown you how to take a correct fighting stance and how to do the basics like jab/cross/hook/uppercut palm strike and hammer fist, and how to protect your head from a simple haymaker punch, that’s a bad sign.
Go with KMG (Krav Maga Global), Eyal systematised Krav Maga under Imi's guidance, they are the most current and developed Krav system. Every club is very welcoming and friendly, haven't been to a bad club yet.
As I Krav instructor I really like what you’ve done and some of the tips here make sense as I say the same to my students but if I have to option to take a punch to the chin or kick in then it’s I’ll pick chin every time. Having said that I teach strike to the groin followed by and uppercut due after the pluck
I agree. When I was training in Krav I always asked to see the street version bc I knew what you're saying here, it's not going to be static 90° attack. The attack will come at an angle. I was the student always doing mods of whatever move class was taught
thanks guys, that was a great video and makes a ton of sense. Keep up the good work, we need more of this real world self defense. Learning one move over and over is much easier for the average person defending themselves than learning even 4 or 5 moves.
Level 3 here, and we were going over two handed standing choke defense last night. The cupped hand double ear strike or clawing the eyes seems like it would be effective against a straight forward standing choke.
IV been teaching a pluck for over 10 years and I am applying this to my curriculum asap. We teach the rotation to but it makes no sense to have 6 or 7 choke defenses when you can have one that works great and can easily be taught.
that rotating defence against a choke is what I've learned in Jiu Jitsu
I am a 2nd degree black belt in Krav Maga.
And i agree.
Tbh, the single rotational defence , you came up with, fusing 5 techniques is what we generally use, at higher levels.
Most of the instructors are not even instructors. The time lapse step by step BS doesnt work in the real world. In reality a fight is like a car accident. Violent. Fast. Confusing. And deadly.
Thanks for the video. I was always skeptical about the pluck. Why do they teach it if its ineffective?
Thanks Ryan Hoover. I always wondered about this. Even in drills, people tend to naturally push when applying the choke at full speed.
Yeah they're doing a disservice to their training partner. It develops the incorrect response to problem.
Krav Mags has evolved to include grappling and Muay Thai. All martial arts need to evolve.
So in other words, the only useful techniques in KM are muay thai and whatever grappling they've incorporated. Might as well just train muay thai and/or jiu jitsu.
@@PalashaGabarra they include bjj, aikido wrestling and judo for grappling and for striking its Muay Thai boxing karate and wing chun and maybe even more so it’s pretty much an mma but what seperates it from mma is its differences which are dirty blows when necessary, pressure tested techniques, tactics, weapons fighting and handling how to fight against multiple opponents and more so it’s great to compliment a fighting style because an mma fighter practices more mma then a Krav Maga fighter id think even though the entire foundation of Krav Maga is mma so mma would be a good supplementa for Krav Maga since it coincides with it and just causes for reinforcement of Krav Maga but I always advise to find a good school because of widespread they let people teach Krav Maga from a one week course which is garbage just because of the instructors and not the system so finding the right school is essential
@@aliasalias9768 Let's be honest, 99,9% of KM gyms are fraudulent McDojos that only teach you to kick the groin and slap the eyes and nose.
@@alcambio8923 oh wow if that’s true I’ll give up on it
If you get accidentally kicked in the groin in a soccer match, you may walk it off and continue to play. If someone snaps out a well-trained rising front kick intended to come out the top of your head, you probably aren't "just walking it off" - it may not be a show-stopper, but it definitely shifts the initiative in the fight (considering not just the testes, but the shock to the perineum, pelvis, and lower spine). You have several follow-up elbow/hammerfist/hook options immediately after the kick, whether it connects and collapses his posture or not. If he does collapse toward you, you can pivot out of the way, and/or (depending on the weight differential) control the collapse if you keep his hands trapped after the pluck.
That said, this torso rotation technique is undoubtedly a strong and perhaps even better response to a static choke (which, granted, is a pretty unlikely choke). At my school, we train a variation of the the one-handed pluck where instead of palm-heeling the chin upward, we elbow upward into the chin, turn, and drop the same elbow down onto the trapped arm's bicep, which can transition into a shoulder torsion/philtrum control position from behind, or a spinning elbow with the plucking arm.
However, the main reason I think it's important to learn the traditional plucks is their application in being choked from the mount or back mount, where you can't effectively rotate, and you may literally have to pluck for your life.
Plucking has a low success rate against someone who has a very strong grip on your neck. Often I have women or smaller framed students try to pluck my grip from their neck and they just don't have the strength in their wrists and arms to clear my hands. This technique that is demonstrated in this video is also in Krav Maga curriculum and this has a much higher rate of success. I agree with everything in this video, why not use the one technique that works for all of the situations.
It really depends on how good or weak your technique is. The plucking has to be extremely explosive and violent. Like a good punch. / It relies somewhat on strong hands but it is plenty possible to use it to overcome a stronger opponent using their full strength on the choke grip. I’ve done it many times under pressure
One technique does not work for all situations....
Let's not forget about the knee/shin rupturing the attackers testicles simultaneously with the pluck. Plucks are very efficient. Thats why they are taught as the first option beginners.
..yes, and to add: there is not 'one best' technique for all situations.
This happened to me against a grappler who had a strong grip, so instead of the pluck, I used the spin and elbow drop and got out of his grasp.
I have always respect your analysis and expertise. Do you have a educational DVD series? Where are you located and do you have a recommended directory?
I like your analysis. I remember in a class not too long ago, we were drilling that basic pluck defense and instinctively I went for the alternative you showed. My reasoning was that it's easier, less effort, and more effective. I never really thought of it the way you did though, I guess it's not only less effective, it may be somewhat redundant too.
Yes! I've been choked and pushed back. It sucks. I like that windmill motion for the front choke because the hip rotation might stop him from ending up on top if he drives forward. An exception from rule of thumb to go thumb side to release the grip.
I agree with this. You mentioned in your comment that you don’t do plucking AND rotational defense when someone chokes you on a mount position, how will you address that kind of situation? Or do you have a video that will explain that? Thank you.
I liked the video and what you had to say. I've been training in Krav for just over a year now and understand the mechanics behind your technique. I must admit, our teachers show us how to pluck and if that does not work, we learn something similar to what you are showing. We also start off in static attacks and gradually work up to more agressive attacks. I do like learning this way because if feel its most effective. Again, I'm still learning and I respect everyones opinions in the comments.
And what happens if the person is taller and much heavier than you? Please show something with choke holds when the attacker is taller
Appreciate what you are doing and agree with many of the issues you raise here in terms of the realism of a standing front choke without any push or overt aggression - question for you that occurred to me is; What would you teach for the defence against the choke on the ground, from the side - typically taught is pluck w/ a strike before getting a knee shield in place, creating distance, up kicking to get the attacker off.
Best regards
love the explanation, i have one question. Why dont you use the judo technique "tai gatame ude kujiki" ? once you have broken the wrist, why do you not keep control of the wrist, and with the attackers hyperextended elbow under your armpit/rib area, continue your momentum down and away, and take them to the floor face first. you can add a face strike initially as you swing your arm over in the initial movement (or reverse backfist). We have been developing similar techniques, only difference is we try to grab a wrist and step back to pull attacker off balance first, (then swing the arm over, with optional strike, and grab a dbl hand grip on the wrist).. we do that because in a choke situation the attacker is always much larger, otherwise a choke is not viable. they usually come with speed and force, aggressively, so thats why we grab a hand and take a big step backwards as hard as possible to accebtuate their momentum.. maybe you could try our technique and give an opinion?? Search for "tai gatame ude kujiki" for a video demo if my explanation was not clear. 💚
I see no flaw in having a bigger tool box. Some people do not have the ability to this variant...what do you tell them?
Love this video! My Krav Maga instructor has the same mindset and logic, keep it simple and effective, there’s no need for multiple techniques if one works, because in a fight, you can’t actually know the exact angle from which they will attack, and sticking to one technique is really the only real solution.
I needed this, thank you.
I always thought it made zero sense to walk up and hand choke someone. It's leave you valnerable in so many ways. If your are some huge monster of a guy grabbing some tiny little person around the neck, it might work.
100 % true , grabing sbdy is the first step to loose :-)
unless your a woman 😂😝
Plus he might use it to shove your head into a wall. That'll do real damage. If you don't expect it and aren't trained to react instantly there's a good chance you will lose, no matter how big and strong you are. It's the element of surprise and the violence of employment which make it dangerous: obviously it'd be stupid to use two hands like that against someone who expected aggression. Unless it's used against a frightened female or anyone that has basically been intimidated enough to have given up already.
Plus he might use it to shove your head into a wall. That'll do real damage. If you don't expect it and aren't trained to react instantly there's a good chance you will lose, no matter how big and strong you are. It's the element of surprise and the violence of employment which make it dangerous: obviously it'd be stupid to use two hands like that against someone who expected aggression. Unless it's used against a frightened female or anyone that has basically been intimidated enough to have given up already.
The thing with the throat is people panic. Someone grabbing your throat is infinitely more intimidating than a busted lip. Most people aren’t trained. Most people have never been in more than 2 fights their whole lives.
Debunking Krav with Krav. One of the main counter chokes taught, the one in video, generally called the tin man. I do like teaching the one technique to most situations. The groin kick isnt meant to be all end all in the equation. It as much a distraction as anything to lead into the principle of overwhelming the attacker. There isnt a 100% right answer for all situations.
Yeah groin kick is not a fight ender always and should be be relied on to be so every time. There is also a delay before you feel it Strongly.
The same with attempted throat punches and eye gouges. If they work great but don't expect them to be an end all. At least that was what I was told many years ago.
But if the attacker is not stationary with the choke, but trucking you towards a wall for instance, do you think that technique would work??
Where can I learn the self defense system you train?
Keep it SIMPLE is the key.In a lot of MC DOJO, they teach hundreds of techniques but the students practice these techniques for only few minutes. Train hard and repeat. Dont stop training when a technique became good, train again and be sure to never lose with this technique.
Bruce Lee said that it was better to practice one kick a thousand times than a thousand kicks once.
I like the video and the explanation and break down of the choke and the pluck defense and the demonstration, as a Krav practitioner I would like to add one key element, a small bit of information and that is when someone is choking or attempting to choke you with their hands /static choke the thing to remember is if they have no thumbs they can't choke you, essentially a static choke is the thumbs applying pressure to the throat, one can't do a static choke with no thumbs, I like the pluck defense, maybe it's because I'm a big guy and it doesn't take much effort for me to defend the choke from any angle, plus I like the idea that I can use the aggressors aggression against them again love the explanation and break down but I think that success depends on the person and the way they use the technique again great video
Ryan, what would you do if you're being choke from the ground? Usually we will do pluck then buck trap roll. Would you still use plucking from the ground?
Interesting comments. I think you are spot on about simplicity! Under combat stress most people, including experienced people, lose the ability to cycle through multiple techniques in order to select one of multiple option. Having a single go to technique is an easy way to address the issue.
how frequently does two hand, face to face choking even occur in a real world fight situation? i've never had it happen to me, never seen it and never had anyone tell me about it happening to them. now, that's certainly not a rigorous sample set, and i imagine it may be more common in attacks on women, so i'm curious what your opinion is as a self-defense expert.
I like this guy’s approach, while I do many different style of martial arts and I had pull some of those grabs and counter grabs in real situations, I’ve also notice that when shit hits the fan, the simplest solutions are always the best
The thing about Krav Maga is that it's always changing and adding new techniques to the arsenal. This particular technique is something that I've learned in KM. As a matter of fact, I was taught more than one technique for each different situation and we definitely trained with violent chokes not just weak static chokes.
That's being progressive. That's what Bruce Lee said 50 years ago. People are finally catching up
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@@zeppelinfan9360 will do
Hi, I like your points. I also prefer stab-rotation solution. But one thing: Instinctive movements... Krav maga is intended for average persons. For such people, devoted amateurs instinctive movements comes first in stressfull cases. That's why the hook-like basic solutions are valid. Personal experience: My instructor choked me once so unexpectedly strongly that I forget every other solution except the basic hooking. I did it so fast that if he had wanted to break my trachea maybe, maybe I would have some chance to loose enough his grab to gain a second to go on with a kick or punch or whatever.
As I see it both positions can be true in reality: I've seen videos where trained fighters wearing groin protection got hit in the groin in competition and dropped like a sack of potatoes and there are instances where it does nothing. Same with that hammerfist: it might work very well or the guy may have a jaw of steel and a massive neck and it won't even move his head. You won't know untill it actually happens: that's why you should always use combo's and alternate between levels. Sooner or later something will come through for you, if not you're fighting superman.
You make a good point when you state it's beter to have one response that'll work against a variety of lines of attack than having 5 or more. As I understand it krav maga is a significant simplification when compared to traditional martial arts like Japanese jujutsu already: there you have a hundred and one different response for one attack. If it can be simplified even more: great.
I have a question about this I would appreciate it if you responded I’m trying to find a good system to become a somewhat good fighter and the systems I plan on doing are Krav Maga, mma and bjj up to blue belt. I like Krav Maga because it’s pretty much mma but with pressure testing like multiple opponents and out of breath situations as well as other disadvantageous situations and tactics they also teach weapons fighting and disarms and dirty blows when necessary. I do realize that there are a lot of garbage schools for Krav Maga that’s because of widespread they want to get it out to more people so they don’t train the teachers enough but there are good instructors like former idf and ex military or people with a lot of Martial arts background but still Krav Maga would only be a component of a good system because mma would be a reinforcement to the Krav Maga foundation because mma fighters are more proficient at mma then Krav Maga fighters are but they both have their own skill sets so it would be like the best of both worlds at that point and the bjj to blue belt is to further reinforce grappling since I think it’s necessary to get any good at grappling, only blue belt because both Krav Maga and mma both teach bjj already and more arts in combination for better grappling like judo and wrestling. For striking I don’t think that needs further reinforcement since it’s the strong suit of both Krav Maga and mma like Muay Thai, boxing karate and more is taught in both already. Is this a good system or would taking Muay Thai and bjj be a better idea, I do like everything taught in Krav Maga but I don’t like being taught by uneducated instructors that would teach what you demonstrated and I like mma to get better at just the mma part of Krav Maga and combine the two and bjj is effective but I feel like it would be more effective when combined with the pressure testing taught in Krav Maga and the additional wrestling and judo taught in both Krav Maga and mma. I don’t know if this is all to overcomplicated so would just taking bjj and Muay Thai be a better idea or what do you think
Or is what you demonstrated in the actual Krav Maga curriculum if so they should perfect it, I know the system evolves because they added arts like bjj in some curriculums but if Krav Maga really isn’t that good what system would you propose to replace Krav Maga with, just like Krav Maga that would go good with mma and bjj
I agree with MR. Hoover on every front, but the two hand pluck (we use a simple overhand punch and same arm uppercut as a means to build our wall) the two hand pluck "done right" helps with many other techniques and teaches "agressive Restance" to the student - we chose to keep it. Things to think about. Thank you RH and Fit to fight!!
I was always taught the pluck only against a stationary choke, I was taught something different when being pushed
The technique that you are showing used to be part of KM but it was filtered out... it doesn't work in some cases (for example if the attacker pulling you towards him and is glued to you + giving you a few good heads to your nose / face, etc.) not to mention that if you don't have air, no matter what you have learnt, you will go into panic mode end focus on the fingers on you neck.
So many people have no idea what Krav Maga actually is... its amazing.
Valentin Bozhilov that is facts
I practice Krav and jujitsu. Obviously for self defense. Most people in my circle of friends won't practice because they claim to be lovers not fighter's. Their logic is flawed. The majority of people I know are weak-minded and outta shape.
I must admit, if a perpetrator came at me and had cauliflower ear. I'm running as fast as I can..lol.
Only few knows it really is a bullshit to make money on weak people thinking it will help them defence themselves. True is if you are not a sports personality with a lot of strength nothing will help you and if you only excersise at least a boxing nothing more is needed to not get bitten. Krav mags is nothing but same thing but dressed in this weird sounding marketing name.
You do realize that Krav Maga was never intended to be for self-defense, right? It was only intended for combat purposes. they never teach the people in the Israeli army about how to use it in self defense, they always teach them how to use it in a fight. These people who teach krav Maga as a self-defense system are incorrect, and also at the same time they are con artists. This is why Krav Maga is bullshit.
@@chandlersleziak6416 Okinawa karate was also designed for combat. Unlike krav maga old karate used cold weapons. And self defence is also a combat
Students have to start somewhere. I've just begun my Krav training and I like the baby steps of plucking. I understand it's not universal, but it's a good starting point...
Pardon me being so straightforward, but were you actually kicked hard in the groin?
I was and whilst being hit in the face with bodyweight behind the shot dazed me, the groin kick was way more debilitating.
iam! not certain if you're speaking Pro or Con about krav maga. I will say, what you ultimately described is what krav maga is based on. Using one move to counter several types of attacks.
QUESTION???
I have a question for Fit to Fight Republic
When your being choke the untrain people or even the train people for that matter,
Initial reaction might be to go/grab the hands of the attacker,,,therefore the krav maga makes sense as a common reaction.
How many people under stress or caught by surprise or even with training would raise their hand first and then rotate its not a natural reaction unless you have done many hours of training and have muscle memory.
Question would your technique work for a weaker person against a stronger attacker with stronger upper body strength???
Hands-down the best Krav Maga video I've seen on TH-cam. Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.
Blabadup
I teach this almost exactly the same way - I call this escape/counter the "High Five", because any student can remember to high five someone trying to choke them, which puts them in the correct position to do it correctly.
This video is one of the best I have seen. Period. Your insight into the absolutely silly idea that any choke would ever be static is spot on... Even if your artacker drives you to a wall (which they like to do, because they think it gives THEM leverage) this technique will work beautifully. Again, excellent work.
another option if you "choose to keep the kick" is to emedatly hip out and two hand push the head to the side" almost more advanced, perhaps it's more challenging to a new student
I know different Krav Maga vary, but I have been taught a different defense against a front choke with an advance (you certainly aren't kicking when losing balance), but it still comes with a pluck. Have you tried your choke defense with a much weaker person defending from a much stronger one? In my experience only the pluck works (if done properly) with very differently weighted opponents.
My experience, in 15 years of teaching, is the opposite.
awesome, thanks for sharing 👍🙏
I train on Krav Maga for a little more than a year now. I've chosen the last one you showed, when you told him to choke you really hard, twisting a little while lifting the arm and sinking with the forearm on the choke, then attacking with the palm strike. Good to know that my approach makes sense, I probably saw it somewhere else and it got ingrained in my mind. I like simple actions/reactions, but my instructor has a penchant for fancy shit from time to time, I respect but don't take it to my heart. I like your videos on Funker Tactical and I'll start following your channel now.
Fair point, I totally agree about the old plucking techniques vs using the weight of the body/elbow.
Very true i learned that choke break in the late 90s from my karate instructor and there is no better way to break it and when you really get the move you can break it with a loc of the shoulder no hand movement
As a Krav Maga instructor myself I agree with you 100%
Nice breakdown of the logic behind a mindset.
I learned this technique in song nam taekwondo. Best way to stop a standing choke. Hands down.
Idk what you're talking about. I'm a 6 ft 215 pound man and i've been dropped with a kick to the groin.
Down but not out. And it probably wouldn't work a second time.
@@PalashaGabarra : Ha ha, not true at all. Groin strikes and kicks to men are very effective.
@@survivorprepper9218 I'm going to be honest with you because I take this stuff seriously and I really dislike bullshit martial arts trainers that give people false confidence. It's dangerous, and it's pretty much a con. KM trainers are charlatan snake oil salesmen. The actual krav maga that is taught to Israeli soldiers is not even close to the shit KM dojos teach. If you asked IDF soldiers if KM teaches you how to disarm someone with a knife for example, and be able to do it consistently without getting hurt, they'd look at you like you're an idiot. They don't learn crap like that. Nor do they train to be able to fight 5 guys, or any of the other shit KM claims to teach people. Yeah getting hit in the balls is pretty effective for about 15 seconds if you manage to pull it off, but that's not really going to save you from a competent fighter. Everybody can go for a nut kick. If you know krav maga and you have to fight someone who knows boxing, or wrestling, or jiu jitsu or any real martial art, then it's basically a fight between a guy who doesn't know how to fight going for nut shots the whole time, versus a guy who knows how to fight who can also go for nut shots if he wants to. You're at a huge disadvantage. If you train krav maga, then you just flat out don't know how to fight. Period. People who say shit like this are the most clueless in real life. You wouldn't even be able to land a solid punch on a boxer, let alone poke his eyes which requires even more accuracy. Krav maga is like aikido. It *MIGHT* work on someone who doesn't know how to fight at all, and is smaller and weaker than you. Even that is debatable. But against anyone that isn't totally clueless you're fucked. As far as I'm concerned you're wasting your time. Because there are martial arts you can learn that demonstrably work on trained killers, and you're trying to learn some bullshit that may or may not work on regular people that don't train and aren't athletic. I don't want to be a dick, but I have to tell the truth. This is a subject that matters to me and I'm not going to indulge your delusions because you could end up putting yourself in a really bad situation.
@@PalashaGabarra " . If you know krav maga and you have to fight someone who knows boxing, or wrestling, or jiu jitsu or any real martial art, then it's basically a fight between a guy who doesn't know how to fight going"
Well it is not designed to be boxing - wrestling - BJJ. BJJ and boxing a great combination. However most KM training is for people unable or unwilling to spend the time to be good in BJJ. But at most KM schools that are worth a damn you can train also in BJJ and some form of Kickboxing to make that part of your KM better. One school local teaches judo and wrestling as well as BJJ and Kickboxing along with KM. KM is only part of the training.
I was trained in a style much like KM which I call a general all around style. It saved my life and the life of my girlfriend several years ago. That night BJJ ground fighting would have done me no or little good. The judo and boxing part of my training did. But in a way luck was on my side as much or more than skill. It was a two for one fight with me having to fight off both of them.
My training was much like the modern day Marine Martial Arts Training (MCMAP) but it was not that actual brand of general training. Mine was more detailed in some ways of stand up fighting.
From the pluck or the bicep to ear would close quarter weapons be better such as elbows, head buts, hammer fists ?
When it came to hand on shoulder or choke from behind I was taught something by a instructor not in krav maga per say but trap hand to shoulder with opposite hand then rotate arm around there elbow much like the bicep to ear and the use the lever action from a trapped hand and against there elbows to break there arm woukd that work?
I might be wrong but at the moment I see contradiction. I totally agree that there's a strong chance that the choke will come with the horizontal force pushing the entire body. Which will send the defender's body off balance forcing him to move in that direction.
The contradiction I see is in the advantage of the defender starting to spin. IMHO it's at least just as difficult to start spinning while being on backfoot as it is to kick in the groin.
Also, I don't see how the spinning will solve the problem of the attacker still having momentum propelling him straight onto the defender.
IMHO, in any case, the focus in training should be firmly on keeping the balance and staying on the feet and keeping the control over movement. And whichever choke defense aids this aim is the winning one.
Thanks!
I like the way you exagerate the move so it coulb easily understood. I practice karate and karate trainers usualy minimise the moves so it tends to be hard to repit the movement right . That specific defense took me over 50 repeticions before I did it corectly
an aikido friend of mine show me a hold against choke, is called "nikyo" or "nykyo" it reall worked , but this also makes sense, one move to cover all bases is great logic .
Excellent diagnosis.
Fred Mastro has a similar defense but the choke is broken with the raise of the shoulder/clavicle area versus raising the entire arm but it's from the front only
What a genuine grandmaster still alive to pass down such knowledge and insight
Thank you for teaching the FH/F-EPC Women and friends seminar today It was a nice class getting an important message out.
I agree it's I am of the same opinion and utilize only this defense for single or double handed choke
except that doesn't work... pushing the choke from the top or side will not break (or even bend) it, and if the attacker has longer reach then you, the follow up punch will not connect... I'm speaking from personal experience - i've been in an one handed chock hold against the floor (with the other hand ground pounding), and no amount of flailing to the side helps, and you can't reach the attacker's head to punch. Same situation applies when you're pinned standing against a wall.
This is awesome, and totally something I can use myself.
FitToFightHQ, yes, this analysis about the need to be dynamic is correct, but this is exactly what they teach you in Krav Maga! I suspect you didn't train long enough (or with a good enough instructor) to know that, so you're a bit too quick to criticize it. Krav Maga is not even my main martial art but I've trained it long enough to know that much. This raises some general questions about your teaching methods...
I really found this information helpful and realistic in relation to actual scenarios playing out. Not a quote on quote staged or presumed attack scenario, Great video!
My instructor did show unorthodox chokes from even more awkward positions including having bystanders as obstacles
The head is a small, rounded, moving target that you need to hit with sufficient force at a correct angle. The groin is a point at the end of the triangle formed by the legs. Wouldn't it be 100 times harder to get the knock-out instead of a groin kick? If you don't get the knock-out perfect then you just make them mad, same as the argument for not choosing the groin kick on someone under the influence (although it would work on pretty much everyone else).
I don't see anyone addressing this angle of the problem in the comments and would like to hear any thoughts on the subject. Note that I do agree that turning works well in most situations and when not applicable, you can use any grappling mechanism you like to control them or close the distance for more accurate striking (plucking included)
groin shots are fairly hard to land, if you dont trust me look at early MMA organizations that had them allowed, it was very hard to kick someone in the groin as it was always blocked or hidden so you cant reach it.
I am not saying you are wrong. You are totally right but.... you are an advanced KM guy. For you and I is easy to apply a plug. For a newbie not an easy task to perform under stress. The plug adds a few miliseconds that can be lettal for someone who is just starting KM.
Ok this is a cool share and in martial arts it’s always good to look for what works best and keep improving upon. I haven’t started Krav Maga yet but I like hearing your perspective (there was a good counter point I read in comments though) however, where you lost me was in saying to give only 1 option... my common sense red flag went up from that... Like you demonstrate, real life is unpredictable and can be from any angle, so to me multiple options are good to know and be able to utilize if for any factor at all, the first option can’t be done effectively. Instead of only 1 option, why not just make it the first choice?
That's super logical. I never understood the whole pluck and kick defence.
Good advice - use as opportunity permits!
Ryan, you are incredible! Thank you for what you're doing.
I trained in krav maga for 5 years and you are right.
I love krav maga, I describe it to people as controlled street fighting. it's fast, brutal and practical
I like what you have to say it's valid, motion creates motion hit somebody and another part of their body is going to move, but your KM theory is a little off. Kicking someone in the groin is not meant to stop an attacker it is meant to stun or possibly stop. Retsev would be applied and multiple strikes would be used in rapid succession until the threat is neutralized. Next is your pluck, you are very skilled and you are stating the exact reason why it's not performed that way. Its It's more downwards using gravity and all the larger muscles groups of the back are engaged when using that technique also the other defense you showed is taught in KM curriculum so we use both.
I've been training Krav with an Israeli certified instructor. This is the only one I've been shown because of the exact reason you gave. Great video mate, cheers
Krav Maga has multiple defenses against the choke, including the defense you were showing near the end. The pluck is the most basic of chokes and is only practiced in a static hole when initially learning it. And it's a knee not a kick
Did he really just say that he'd prefer to punch the head than strike the groin?
I wonder why guys can go 12 rounds of taking strikes to the head but the match stops for a single strike to the groin (not to mention they are usually wearing cups)
This is also the guy that says strikes to the eyes are worthless.
I prefer the single handed pluck with the straight cross, coming under their arm.
The moves you suggest are actually Krav maga techniques that KMG practice at level P4 (body turn upper arm release) plucking is p1(front) and P2(side). This is to change your natural response. And that is to grab the attackers wrists and hold them there.. Dont forget that people who learn this are rookie's that don't have any fighting experience.. so they need to get lost of natural responses first.. the same as ducking your head when you get hit.
Yep Excellent!! So tired of impractical ways of Self Defense. Like you said Attacks Aren’t Static. There is force behind it and at different angles.. We used to practice full force and I will tell you that is the way to practice if you can.. it’s worth the pain..
This is where sport vs reality divides. In sport, you want to have a full bag of tricks. In reality, 1 fact based move should be used against an attack, especially an amateur attack like the throat grab.
There is static, pushing and pulling chokes. The one you're doing is for pushing, where momentum is the priority more so than the choke (sloppy technique too dude, you need to stab the hand up and squish you're bicep to your ear,to squeeze the hand, then hinge.)
Plucking is based off of natural reaction, if you saw it early you should have countered, if you've been oblivious and all of a sudden there's hands on your throat, your hands will shoot there automatically, usually. With repetitions we hope to adapt that natural reaction to an efficient pluck, we also dont use the small muscles of the shoulders to pluck, we use them and the stronger lats together, elbows back and slightly down gets 'em both going. There is also a variation where one hand plucks and other hand strikes, one shoulder forward one back, that way the whole body goes into the pluck and the attacker is pulled forward while being hit. The variation is also a great option when being pushed slightly because we needn't kick or knee and end up on the ground as your concerned about.
I dislike this video because you've really misrepresented a system you don't seem to have mastered or even understood the principles of. Make your own opinion people but if you want to learn Krav go to a KMG club and be taught by a qualified instructor of the system. I usually like you videos dude but this is, as mentioned earlier a gross misrepresentation of Krav Maga.
Yo I've been doing Krav for about 4 months now through a KMA school on Sacramento and this Monday we had a substitute teacher because the two regulars had pressing matters to attend to. He showed us this defense and mentioned Ryan Hoover and his minimalist philosophy and tbh it blew my mind a bit.
I mean why hang on to those five options if one effective one will do? Isn't that better to prepare the typical layman for real world situations? Isn't the entire point of Krav to take any Jow Blow and whip them into fighting shape in as little time as possible?
I don't know if he did it wrong on purpose or if he never learned it the right way . In Krav Maga define and attack at the same time. I have no idea what he was doing . For example , as soon as you feel someone fingers around your neck you pluck and kick the balls at the same time , elbow to the face and then wrist Cavalier take down . Now in my Krav Maga school , yes we do it standing in front of each other at first , then a little faster A little harder , by the end of the class were going full force and we do that with all our techniques .
Didn't Ryan Hoover co-author a Krav Maga Worldwide book a few years ago? Or was that a different Ryan Hoover?
Where do you teach from. In other words where is your school
Interesting , I will subscribe , always looking for helpful insight
talking about the choke:thats what we call blueprints that you leaen the techinque static then you learn the movment
He's right, also keep in mind that it's very difficult to land a proper groin shot on certain people as they may have layers of fat on their thighs that lessen the blow or might be standing side on.
imo self defense should be simple so you can react without thinking. If you have to do multiple steps to stop someone from choking you then it may be very ineffective in a fight or flight situation with adreneline in the mix.