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I am an 80 year old pensioner and I have just received a tax code change! I already got my tax code change at the usual time they are send out. Why are they sending out this now? I have asked my daughter to look into it for me. I am totally sick of this new government.
Absolutely. If we pensioner's have to lose ours then they should lose theirs. Now he's on about taking our bus pass. If they do this then they should lose their travel expenses also.
The pensioners wont forget this,neither will their sons and daughters,and neither will their grandchildren,hopefully this will be the last ever labour government.
He is hardly a comrade he is a multi millionaire . He us doing his best to get this country back to Dickensian times the Tories started and he has come into power swinging to finish the job. Shameless!
@@elizabethsellors9046 Most of the ruling class in Communist countries are very wealthy as they were in the USSR. Starmer and Reeves are both millionaires who don't give a rat's derriere for the rest of us.
Because they are working and if the financial communities who live in these flats with all their gyms and stuff get cold, they can't think straight. They have very posh racing cars, road going Ferrari, all with heaters fitted. Lamborghini didn't have heaters it made them too heavy you know?
@@scottanderson3751 you are right and this government is hell bent on people not having their say. In other countries their government would be overthrown.
Many pensioners suffer with health problems, when you reach old age you feel the cold more, that’s why this is a despicable move on the older generation!!
Exactly! I'm 75 and have an underactive thyroid which adds to my intolerance of the cold. Last winter was bad enough but not sure how many clothing layers I can add and still be able to move to cope with the coming one.
The winter fuel allowance of a few hundred pounds to the elderly rich is nothing compared to the tax they paid during their hard working and successful lives.
I was born before 1953 so i receive the basic low state pension of £169..75 a week , topped by Pension credit of thirteen pounds a week , amount yearly is £9, 4 64 ponds . I receive some .council tax reduction , and some housing benefit .
Henry is absolutely right, he speaks not only with passion but with common sense, Foreign aid, Milibands Net Zero, Migrant Hotels, 5000 empty hotel beds being paid for in case of Migrant overflow, MP's Second Home fuel allowance, need to be cancelled immediately that would save much more than the stated Blackhole. Starmer needs to Resign, Many Pensioners gave their working lives to this Country.
Absolutely correct , all out of spite. There seems to be a concept that all pensioners are wealthy , thats not so probably if u count assets which include they have paid for their housing and thats counted skews that argument . U cant spend the value of your assets at the supermarket , or when u are buy essential energy costs.
The rather smug young man thinks that 4000 elderly people dying from cold this winter is both fair and economical. Who gives Kier Starmer, Rachel Reeves et al the right to decide who lives and who dies?
Yes that's the difference, take benefits from the elderly and they die, but we know what needs to be done, tactical voting and Labour out, everywhere so they "die" as a political party!?!
Wood they care if it was a parent or grandparent of theirs? They are utterly despicable. to treat illegal immigrants better than they treat pensioners who for the most were born here, worked and paid their NI and taxes all their life only to be treated now in their old age as disposable in the conceited and offhand way but this travesty of a government is nothing short of barbaric. What crap party they are and all of them yelling and clapping because they won. Evil, hopefully Karma is waiting in the wings.
That smug little prick. He voted for it and wants far worse to come to you but he'll take every hardship pushed upon us and call it a victory. We need to stop student loans, discounts and privileges, until they can afford the life they want to steal from others.
Not to mention free and priority medical care. A mate of ours works at a hospital in London and he was given the job of setting up a new department specifically to look at the health needs of illegal migrants and fast-track them to treatment.
The British people must now look after each other. We now have a Government who only looks after foreign countries and foreigners. Time for us to stick together and support each other.
If they're so concerned with saving money they shoukd lead by example and do away with taxpayer funded expenses. Buy their own food, pay their own mortgage/ rent, pay for the energy they use etc
Down South they may be house millionaires and still have hardly any money, but at least they can downsize, everybody else has to go into survival mode under Labour until the day we can pay them back in kind, we will not forget TTS!?!
They probably cheered out of relief that such a wicked bill, they have had so much `stick` about, could now be put behind them and forgotten. But, the perception to the voter is that the MPs were cheering the fact of taking away WFA from pensioners.
I have just watched 2 minutes of Starmer on PMQ's. His immediate answer to a question by Rishi Sunak regarding the withdrawal of Winter Fuel Allowance, was to regurgitate the £22b deficit. Starmer, is like a stuck record. Awful, shameless individual along with his cowardly MPs.
@@hilarydavis3606 I only said maybe. Most pensioners are living hand to mouth all over the country. It's totally disgusting wat the government has done
The only people that are rich are politicians in there 2 houses or mansions fully heated by the tax payer . I am a pensioner with disabilities due to military service , shame on all those Labour MPs who voted to freeze pensioners this winter and then slap in fuel claims .i pray no pensioner dies this winter in any constituency.
I’m still having to work at 69 as my pension and extremely small private pension won’t cover my outgoings. I now live on my own as my partner passed away and I rent, not entitled to any benefits so no pension credit. I’m working 3, 10 hour shifts a week as a nurse! That young man is totally deluded.
Its as clear as day he hates the working class and that includes working class pensioners who have not had an opportunity throughout their working lives to provide for a personal pension.
@@mycatspethooman5590 Eh, it's more a matter of style than anything. We already have dubious free speech, uncontrolled police interference in politics for "specials" and Starmer has passed no new laws, that was the conservative brainchild. Unless maybe if people had all voted Reform. Which would mean we'd be in a pretty high state of societal disruption about now. At least Keir stamped down on the face of, well, the white working class, who are the potential threat to all this new elite wef stuff. So we have an uneasy peace, for now.
@@mycatspethooman5590 Prior to the election i emailed Reform with details of how bad the pension is (25th worse in the world,even behind Iceland and Cyprus),and suggested that maybe if they pledged to do something it could mean a large proportion of the 12 million pensioners might have voted for them. They ignored the email,not even bothering to acknowledge it. Had they not done so.,maybe we could have seen a different PM?
I think it is irrelevant what party is in Pensioners are in the corner. no power no union. People paying all their lives for their State Pension in fact compelled to pay to have it highjacked by the Tories and delayed by several years now Labour are doing the same thing . Filling deficits with Pensioners money ? Utter none sense. Cap the energy companies raise their tax, go for the tax dodgers who are always rich companies, scrap the shell companies who rio everyone off. Reduce what is paid to the RF they don’t need our money. Reduce and cap tax at a higher rate the MP’s “side” jobs. Cap their expenses and take away all the freebies paid for by the tax payers. So many more ways to bring in money but the consensus is take money away from the lowest income because they can do flap all about it.
Before pensioners became a pensioner they worked and paid into the system all their working lives, which in turn paid the politician's wages and their inflated expenses and fuel bills, they will certainly pay for it at the ballet box.
All the labour mp's that abstained were cowards . This will come back to haunt them . Starmer the liar sat there on tv criticising tories for this and then did it himself . The only support he has now is convicts and illegal migrants what does that say about him !? 😢
The "Interviewers" get my hair off when they say:- what about the rich pensioners, we the PENSIONS are paying out of our pension for the "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" who have paid NOTHING yet get more than the pension 🤬🤬🤬🤬 shut up about the rich pensioner what you wont us to do sell are house and sleep on the street 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Dont just stop at heating expenses, they should have all expenses removed, why should they be paid anything extra for doing a job we as tax payers pay them to do? I couldnt and wasnt allowed to claim anything while I was working.....!!
What's next? Taxing kids pocket money?. The hypocricy of MP'S is beyond belief!. Stop MP's Claiming heating allowances and stop annual pay increases for them too
This is shocking and as self-serving as anything the corrupt Tories did. Especially after giving inflation busting pay rises to train drivers earning over £75K!!!
I'm hungarian, living, working, paying tax here 12 years now. I probably would be better off get on a boat ín France and come here that way. I would be better off. That's not right and not fair on the british people. Starmer is leading this country into a total mess. Shame.
Absolutely disgusting to take away the pensioners winter fuel allowance, whilst they can find the money to put early release prisoners in hotels in they have nowhere to stay, and to house thousands of economic migrants ( the majority are not refugees) but they penalise pensioners who have paid their taxes all their working lives.
Ben Cope a young kid that has no idea of the real world. Pension increase is not until April 2025 pensioners need heating from now until 2025 4000 deaths will prove to be an understatement
@@jackmchammocklashing224 it was the previous Government that brought in the triple lock. This one would take it away, another thing to punish pensioners.
@@OllyO-gt8pg They SERVE their constituents. If they refuse then the electorate has every right to sack them. Replace them with somebody who does their job.
@@cocos8903 said it for years if an elected party hasnt met at least 75% of its pledges by the end of term then they should forfeit the next elections as standards havnt been met, it breaks up the two horse system we have and gives other parties a look in, it may also improve the quality of the house as all of them will have to try harder to stay in "business", its like hiring a firm to a job for you...they take all your money in advance with promises to the job but never carry it out...then people go and hire them again and again lol...madness.
“I in 4 pensioners are millionaires”what that means is they own a house. They have a house because they had a mortgage for thirty years and have made sacrifices and worked hard and paid their taxes and bought it.. That is not disposable cash to pay bills. Unless the idea is to make pensioners so poor they have to sell up and move into sheltered housing or residential care home and use the proceeds to see out their life. The UK has one of the lowest old age pensions in the western world, and probably one of the highest energy and fuel costs with the green tariff and fuel tax. The Labour Party should be ashamed of themselves they have just penalised and continue to attack the financial security of some of the most vulnerable people in the country with threats of taking the free bus pass, pay per mile etc as well. If 4000 pensioners die this winter I wonder how many will end up with mental health issues as a result of being forced out their homes and having to listen to the spotty lefty commentator’s such as the one on GB news who doesn’t look like he has ever done a hard days work in his life, who expounds about how well off pensioners are, they have no empathy or knowledge of the issues that impact on old people. I now consider the word pensioner to be an insult as it appears been adopted by the left as meaning spongers of the state, non productive and asset rich people blocking the advancement of the socialist state therefore unworthy of consideration. I think pensioners should be considered as Retired Workers who have earned their pensions from a life of sacrifice and toil.
We're not talking about the minority rich pensioners but the majority poor ones who will suffer this inhumane decision. I get 10 grand to live on there's nowt left after paying the bills and it's now going to get harder.
3 to 5 million might be well off, but 5 to 8 million pensioners are not, they are lying to justify their actions unfortunately for them their fate is sealed, like 10,000 dead pensioners each year under Labour, the bar stewards!?!
So 4000 early deaths of pensioners is a price worth paying to ensure train drivers on £65,000 per year get a 15% pay rise. …and they call themselves Socialists 😂😂
the worst part is train drivers work for the train operators network rail maintain the tracks so why are the government saying the drivers should get a pay rise it's the fucking unions
Look back at history. When have Socialists ever improved the life of the working class? Historically Socialists have starved, imprisoned, terrorised, and impoverished the workers as well as everyone else. Socialists are followers of a totalitarian ideology that seeks a specific goal. If people have to suffer or perish on the way to the goal, it can't be helped. This is the way Socialism views humanity. Socialism has always been an intellectual toy for the middle classes. The middle class, academics, professionals and ideologues invented it, have implemented it and benefited from it. Socialism is about destruction and control in pursuit of its mythical somewhere, sometime.
It would be interesting to hear this young man's comments when he is no longer young, when he's 80, alone and anxious. He makes himself sound very immature and totally lacking in foresight and empathy.
What a ludicrous notion that the majority of pensioners have adequate finances to cope with the ever increasing costs of Gas and Electricity. I am a pensioner aged 89 and although I have managed to save and try desperatly to keep a reserve for unforseen emergencies I now find this winter is going to be a very cold and hard winter to get through thanks to the Labour Governments kick in the teeth for all pensioners. I hope when those ministers are sitting in their central heated home's give a thought for thousands of pensioners living alone wearing their outdoor cloths indoors, because they are unable to afford the luxury of a heated home.
Yes and most people’s savings are for their funerals so they are afraid to use their savings in case there isn’t enough and they leave their family with a bill.
As the older generation we didn't take or like to take charity's money. Today it might be different. I'm not a F millionaire such a stupid statement and most of us aren't.
This government is ridiculous. During the past two years the UK taxpayer has thrown 12.7 billion to Ukraine in their war with Russia. The TOTAL bill for the UK winter fuel allowance to support pensioners during 2024 would have been a mere 2 billion. Now we know why there is a black hole in the UK's finances don't we.
There isn't. Stop foreign aid (and £11 billion on insane foreign 'net zero' projects) stop funding Zelensky's war, stop paying union mates, stop funding £8 billion to 'assylum seekers' (plus another £8 billion on those to be given amnesty)...
Not all expats get the allowance. Spain france and América Australia canada dont get it. Mostly the expats in the area of east europe.. i think that is Romana Bulgaria and other countries round that part if europe DO GET IT and i agree it should stop..the cost of living is less there so they dont need it.. Im in Spain it was stopped here, i have been here 18 years and i think it stop 17 years ago. So NO expats in spain OR Portugal get it..
Not correct western europe like spain Portugal do not get it. Eastern europe Romania Bulgaria Do get it and yes should be stopped the country is cheaper to live so dont need it
Yrs that’s what I wondered. Firstly why they git it at sll snd then nonplussed when I discovered that they couldn’t be refused it because of some European rule
I wrote about the ex Pat situation in a letter to our local paper. It is a disgrace. The leader we have has admitted to being ruthless and connected to WEF. If only the voters had done some research.🙏🙏🙏
If online posts are crimes of incitement, then any deaths of people who should have gotten these payments but didn't? Should be treated as obvious crimes too. And we know exactly who to hold responsible!
It's time to stop MP'S claiming expenses for everything. The nation go to work and have to spend their money on extortionate utility bills and council tax. Their wage is spending money, because they claim for everything. Stop their expenses and make them live off their wages.
If OAP's lose their winter fuel allowance, Why don't MP's lose their £3,400 fuel allowance? Homeless early release prisons will go to hotels, Who pays??
Young Voices UK.....should be seen and not heard......Another individual who's rides on his parents coat tails, probably private educated and hasn't and probably won't ever do a hard day's graft and he's telling how pensioners need to want of a better word "suck it up". The backbone of what was once a great country.....Shame on Starmer, Labour and their supporters. Churchill once said "never use Lawyers to become PMs and run the country, and he was right.....Blair and now Starmer.....Get him out.
When the price cap on our energy bills is announced the average of a UK home is given no MP should be allowed expenses for energy in their second home above the price cap level. We the public do not wish to subsidise exhorbitant energy costs in a the london home of an MP who decides to cash in on his or her good fortune on becomming an MP.
How can Keir Starmer and his Cabinet possibly justify paying themselves allowances for energy costs whilst at the same time witholding the Winter Fuel Payments from pensioners?
Cutting the allowance will save £1.4 billion. The loss of political reputation for Labour is massive. Every time a pensioner dies of hypothermia Starmer will be reminded of his decision, this will haunt him for years
No it won’t because he doesn’t give a damn about the British people young or old.Only what he can get for himself and trying to make himself look wonderful to the rest of the world by giving Billions to countries that don’t need it as much as Britain do .I am a pensioner and I am more concerned about the Legal children and Legal young parents of this country.He’s more interested in criminals and illegal immigrants.He also doesn’t seem to realise that spending billions on housing’s,feeding, mobile phones, etc for people coming here illegally who don’t work therefore don't pay taxes means there is less and less tax coming into the chancellor’s pocket. The british people will only take so much and will rebel.What’s he going to do if we all decide we don’t want to work anymore as we will get more in benefits anyway. You only need a few million of the actual workers in this country to suddenly find they can’t manage to go to work anymore then where’s the tax monies going to come from The Millionaires don’t think so they all appear to be leaving the country anyway. Don’t mock me it could happen.
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I think you need to substantiate that claim or stay clear of mind alternating drugs 😊.
Something dreadful has already happened a released prisoner has already committed rape and is in a cell again
That's not surprising.
I am an 80 year old pensioner and I have just received a tax code change! I already got my tax code change at the usual time they are send out. Why are they sending out this now? I have asked my daughter to look into it for me. I am totally sick of this new government.
@@hilarycowperthwaite7755join the tax club of pensioners.
Take away MP'S heating allowance and give it to pensioners.
Totally agree.
“I agree” 100%
Absolutely. If we pensioner's have to lose ours then they should lose theirs. Now he's on about taking our bus pass. If they do this then they should lose their travel expenses also.
@@SharonDelaneyosen And chauffeur driven cars.
In fact all their allowances they get paid enough as it is
Giving billions to other countries, hotels for anyone who comes in via the channel, mps second homes heating allowance. What is going on ? Disgusting.
The latest is, some of the early released criminals are going to be put up in hotels.
Nigel should just nick Starmer and place him under citizens arrest, it’s a lawful right we all have!!!
Our men allowed it.
We should be looking after our own people before freeloaders and criminals
@@sh.4409no, this government allowed it, the same government that has no backbone.
Those that abstained were cowards. You can’t sit on the fence each time for fear of upsetting your leader.
As far as Im concerned, sitting on the fence is just the same as not opposing it - so they supported it. Name and shame Every One of them.
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@@carlharrison3637 They are active enablers!!!
One word for those MPs who abstain spineless
Only 12 abstained the others could not make it, and were not present to vote 'yes' and were logged as 'abstained'.
The pensioners wont forget this,neither will their sons and daughters,and neither will their grandchildren,hopefully this will be the last ever labour government.
Labour will have imported multi millions of new voters by the time of the next election...
@@guvnormcfc66 absolutely spot on
It was the MPs cheering that sickened me ...
I don't live in England now but think Comrade Starmer And his cronies are despicable. X
You're being impacted wherever you live.
He is hardly a comrade he is a multi millionaire . He us doing his best to get this country back to Dickensian times the Tories started and he has come into power swinging to finish the job.
Shameless!
@@elizabethsellors9046 Most of the ruling class in Communist countries are very wealthy as they were in the USSR. Starmer and Reeves are both millionaires who don't give a rat's derriere for the rest of us.
Champagne socialist
No why are the politicians still getting thousands of pounds to heat their two properties 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
They make the rules/laws and the people won’t do fk all about them-that’s the crux of the issue ✌️
Because they are working and if the financial communities who live in these flats with all their gyms and stuff get cold, they can't think straight. They have very posh racing cars, road going Ferrari, all with heaters fitted. Lamborghini didn't have heaters it made them too heavy you know?
They're not fit for purpose; have no duty of care and no wish to fulfil the social contract for their citizens.
@@scottanderson3751 you are right and this government is hell bent on people not having their say. In other countries their government would be overthrown.
Don’t they have solar panels on their homes since they can afford them and we cannot.
Many pensioners suffer with health problems, when you reach old age you feel the cold more, that’s why this is a despicable move on the older generation!!
Labour policy to kill off the elderly
You also can be at home all day - with the cost of heating for 24 hours when younger people are at work keeping warm !
Exactly! I'm 75 and have an underactive thyroid which adds to my intolerance of the cold. Last winter was bad enough but not sure how many clothing layers I can add and still be able to move to cope with the coming one.
Sometimes though once you are cold it seems the amount of layers mean nothing you just don’t warm up
Attacking the old and disabled. HE Needs to go !!!!!!
Starmer don't want anyone old or disabled in the country.if you get what I mean.
The winter fuel allowance of a few hundred pounds to the elderly rich is nothing compared to the tax they paid during their hard working and successful lives.
That young man is deluded, the majority of pensioners are not rich, I am still working because the pension is crap! I am 72 years old!
He'll get old sooner than he could've ever thought possible.
I was born before 1953 so i receive the basic low state pension of £169..75 a week , topped by Pension credit of thirteen pounds a week , amount yearly is £9, 4 64 ponds . I receive some .council tax reduction , and some housing benefit .
Lowest in Europe
He's definitely delusional and is probably a bloody commie.
It's always the young with no life experience talking bollox. When he is old that what they have now he will regret his words
Henry is absolutely right, he speaks not only with passion but with common sense, Foreign aid, Milibands Net Zero, Migrant Hotels, 5000 empty hotel beds being paid for in case of Migrant overflow, MP's Second Home fuel allowance, need to be cancelled immediately that would save much more than the stated Blackhole. Starmer needs to Resign, Many Pensioners gave their working lives to this Country.
This so called black hole, isn’t it about time the Conservative Party looked into it ! 😂
Did you hear them all cheer in parliament.. makes me sick
They are ☠️
I’m no where near a millionaire. I wouldn’t live where I do if I was.
The evil labs make me sick
British citizens should never forget what they’ve done!!!!
Triple lock, don’t make me laugh. We already get the lowest pension in Europe!!!
It was done out of spite, pure spite. Pensioners apparently don’t vote Labour so this is punishment for voting for other parties.
The pensioners this affects the most, very likely do vote labour. The wealthier pensioners that this will not affect, likely don't.
So true
True
Absolutely correct , all out of spite.
There seems to be a concept that all pensioners are wealthy , thats not so
probably if u count assets which include they have paid for their housing
and thats counted skews that argument . U cant spend the value of your
assets at the supermarket , or when u are buy essential energy costs.
They're all a bunch over overpaid snivel servants. Servant means they only serve themselves.
The rather smug young man thinks that 4000 elderly people dying from cold this winter is both fair and economical. Who gives Kier Starmer, Rachel Reeves et al the right to decide who lives and who dies?
Yes that's the difference, take benefits from the elderly and they die, but we know what needs to be done, tactical voting and Labour out, everywhere so they "die" as a political party!?!
Wood they care if it was a parent or grandparent of theirs? They are utterly despicable. to treat illegal immigrants better than they treat pensioners who for the most were born here, worked and paid their NI and taxes all their life only to be treated now in their old age as disposable in the conceited and offhand way but this travesty of a government is nothing short of barbaric. What crap party they are and all of them yelling and clapping because they won. Evil, hopefully Karma is waiting in the wings.
Who made them God, the labs are really gonna get bad karma soon
Oh didn't you know this pr.ck thinks he is !😊
That smug little prick. He voted for it and wants far worse to come to you but he'll take every hardship pushed upon us and call it a victory. We need to stop student loans, discounts and privileges, until they can afford the life they want to steal from others.
If they where migrants they would get warm 4/5 star hotels and hot meals😡
Not to mention free and priority medical care. A mate of ours works at a hospital in London and he was given the job of setting up a new department specifically to look at the health needs of illegal migrants and fast-track them to treatment.
. . . and what were the results? Enquiring Minds want to know!
Cry a bit more.
PENSIONS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE LIVING WAGE SO TAKING £200/£300 FROM US IS CRIMINAL. WHY ARE MP's GETTING A FUEL ALLOWANCE
The British people must now look after each other. We now have a Government who only looks after foreign countries and foreigners. Time for us to stick together and support each other.
Well said we should look after each other and stick together and to support each other at this moment in time together we are strong ❤
If they're so concerned with saving money they shoukd lead by example and do away with taxpayer funded expenses. Buy their own food, pay their own mortgage/ rent, pay for the energy they use etc
“I agree” 100%
Cancel the subsidises on food and drink in Westminster so they have to pay full price like the rest of us, FAT CHANCE.
An MP's wage is just purely pocketmoney for them... they can claim all of their living costs on expenses, funded by us.... pure parasites!
I know lot of pensioners, but none of them are millionaires
Down South they may be house millionaires and still have hardly any money, but at least they can downsize, everybody else has to go into survival mode under Labour until the day we can pay them back in kind, we will not forget TTS!?!
You would be lucky to find 1 million pensioners who are millionaires
My parents were pensioners, they weren't millionaires, they struggled sometimes and my sisters and myself helped them out
@@TomTomicMic Where in the south are you looking?! Don't blame us blame London.
@@Mermiam Until recently I lived in Brentwood, Essex and a million buys you a very modest property. In my road 7 people drove Bentleys !
and didnt the Labour cheer very loudly when this awful bill was passed ? disgraceful
They probably cheered out of relief that such a wicked bill, they have had so much `stick` about, could now be put behind them and forgotten. But, the perception to the voter is that the MPs were cheering the fact of taking away WFA from pensioners.
Yes, they are disgraceful 🤬💩
I have just watched 2 minutes of Starmer on PMQ's. His immediate answer to a question by Rishi Sunak regarding the withdrawal of Winter Fuel Allowance, was to regurgitate the £22b deficit. Starmer, is like a stuck record. Awful, shameless individual along with his cowardly MPs.
And still referring to Sunak as the PM.
Are the MPs going to loose the heating allowance I bet not they don't care. They don't give a flying f___k
Stop calling pensioners rich. It's disgusting down south maybe !! Typical young person who has NO life experience
We are down south and we arent millionaires
Try living down south and you will see were not millionaires .
Everything is cheaper up north compared to the south.
I'm down south and nowhere near being a millionaire
Down south still nor rich I lie o my pension only it's hard where ever you are.once bills are paid.
@@hilarydavis3606 I only said maybe. Most pensioners are living hand to mouth all over the country. It's totally disgusting wat the government has done
We will never forget or forgive
but sadly 20% did!!!!
Labour feathering their own nest for winter..👏👏
The only people that are rich are politicians in there 2 houses or mansions fully heated by the tax payer . I am a pensioner with disabilities due to military service , shame on all those Labour MPs who voted to freeze pensioners this winter and then slap in fuel claims .i pray no pensioner dies this winter in any constituency.
I’m still having to work at 69 as my pension and extremely small private pension won’t cover my outgoings. I now live on my own as my partner passed away and I rent, not entitled to any benefits so no pension credit. I’m working 3, 10 hour shifts a week as a nurse! That young man is totally deluded.
@@christinebryant8709 it makes my piss boil, 😤 that you have to work at 69, and not by choice for a little pin money, but just to survive. 😡😡
So if they carnt afford to give to the pensioners when the mps are claiming theres from the tax payers is disgusting
And many of them are millionaires 😮
Theirs
@@adods9824 thank for policing my spellings lol
We really are having the piss taken out of us.
@theun-personing5674 Extremely painful when your piss is frozen.
Yep.
They haven't even started, wait for the budget and don't forget to buy some lube you are going to buggered !
No reason why 1215 couldn't happen in 2024
Its as clear as day he hates the working class and that includes working class pensioners who have not had an opportunity throughout their working lives to provide for a personal pension.
They don't vote labour though. Turns out they get to regret not voting at all this time.
@@Marek-o3u if the 40% who didn't vote had actually done so perhaps we could be in different circumstances now
@@mycatspethooman5590 Eh, it's more a matter of style than anything. We already have dubious free speech, uncontrolled police interference in politics for "specials" and Starmer has passed no new laws, that was the conservative brainchild. Unless maybe if people had all voted Reform. Which would mean we'd be in a pretty high state of societal disruption about now. At least Keir stamped down on the face of, well, the white working class, who are the potential threat to all this new elite wef stuff. So we have an uneasy peace, for now.
@@mycatspethooman5590
Prior to the election i emailed Reform with details of how bad the pension is (25th worse in the world,even behind Iceland and Cyprus),and suggested that maybe if they pledged to do something it could mean a large proportion of the 12 million pensioners might have voted for them.
They ignored the email,not even bothering to acknowledge it.
Had they not done so.,maybe we could have seen a different PM?
I think it is irrelevant what party is in Pensioners are in the corner. no power no union.
People paying all their lives for their State Pension in fact compelled to pay to have it highjacked by the Tories and delayed by several years now Labour are doing the same thing . Filling deficits with Pensioners money ? Utter none sense.
Cap the energy companies raise their tax, go for the tax dodgers who are always rich companies, scrap the shell companies who rio everyone off.
Reduce what is paid to the RF they don’t need our money.
Reduce and cap tax at a higher rate the MP’s “side” jobs. Cap their expenses and take away all the freebies paid for by the tax payers. So many more ways to bring in money but the consensus is take money away from the lowest income because they can do flap all about it.
Two tier Starmer heating allowance, one for pensioners and one for MPs!
Whoever would ever think it is just & fair.?
Gutter politics of spite & ageism
Before pensioners became a pensioner they worked and paid into the system all their working lives, which in turn paid the politician's wages and their inflated expenses and fuel bills, they will certainly pay for it at the ballet box.
Inflation may have made their houses more valuable but its only on paper, doesn’t put food on the table nor coal on the fire.
All the labour mp's that abstained were cowards . This will come back to haunt them . Starmer the liar sat there on tv criticising tories for this and then did it himself . The only support he has now is convicts and illegal migrants what does that say about him !? 😢
1 in 4 are millionaires!!! bollox
“I agree” 100%
Exactly
Even if that is true 3 out of 4 are not millionaires and 2 out of 4 (That's 5 million) will suffer hardship Labour have made a big mistake!?!
Yep, utter nonsense!
I must have missed them in the dozens of pensioners I know.
The "Interviewers" get my hair off when they say:- what about the rich pensioners, we the PENSIONS are paying out of our pension for the "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" who have paid NOTHING yet get more than the pension 🤬🤬🤬🤬 shut up about the rich pensioner what you wont us to do sell are house and sleep on the street 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Now remove MPs heating exspence claims
Dont just stop at heating expenses, they should have all expenses removed, why should they be paid anything extra for doing a job we as tax payers pay them to do? I couldnt and wasnt allowed to claim anything while I was working.....!!
@@johnrudd9550 How would you represent a constituency in the north and work in Westminster ?
Don’t forget,the government cheered when they voted to stop the winter fuel payment.
Drunk from the free lunch ?
We won't forget
Evil Bas***ds
Hear Hear .
Abstension is the cowards way out
So true.
Stop calling it sir, he doesnt deserve that title
What's next? Taxing kids pocket money?.
The hypocricy of MP'S is beyond belief!.
Stop MP's Claiming heating allowances and stop annual pay increases for them too
MPs claiming allowances to heat sometimes second homes, that's shocking
Abstaining is cowardly.
If this guy thinks pensioners are rich he wants to get in the real world he has no idea
ONE labour MP with a soul....
Most pensioners don't want winter fuel payment, bus passes, Christmas bonus or pension credit. What we want is a proper European level pension
Labour think people will forget, we will see in may local election,
Agree . That will take the smug look off their faces.
@@SharonDelaneyosen Some sheep will still vote for them just like their great grandfather did, the brainless sheep.
Why do all the media refer to Starmer as Sir? He might have had the honour, but he most certainly does not deserve the respect!
I'll never call him sir he's evil
“I agree” 100%
Totally agree
He was called by a much more appropriate title at the Doncaster races.... hahaha
So Reeves claimed £3700 for her energy bills! She should donate this amount to Help The Aged fund. Shocking 😮
This is shocking and as self-serving as anything the corrupt Tories did. Especially after giving inflation busting pay rises to train drivers earning over £75K!!!
I'm hungarian, living, working, paying tax here 12 years now. I probably would be better off get on a boat ín France and come here that way. I would be better off. That's not right and not fair on the british people. Starmer is leading this country into a total mess. Shame.
This country is a disgrace…
Not this Country just the politicians that run it ! And the left woke fools .
1 in 4 are millionaires. What a load of b......s.
And they cheered after vote, that's labour for you.!!!
No Soul and unfit for the job.
I am so pleased where we live, we don’t have a Libor MP. These are so evil.
Evil the lot of them
Narcissists/sociopaths feed on other people's pain, so the champagne corks will have been popping.
Manifestos should be made legally binding. Those who lie to get in should be held accountable for their actions.
Labour mps cheered when the winter fuel allowance was taken away shameful
Absolutely disgusting to take away the pensioners winter fuel allowance, whilst they can find the money to put early release prisoners in hotels in they have nowhere to stay, and to house thousands of economic migrants ( the majority are not refugees) but they penalise pensioners who have paid their taxes all their working lives.
Ben Cope a young kid that has no idea of the real world. Pension increase is not until April 2025 pensioners need heating from now until 2025 4000 deaths will prove to be an understatement
The deaths will be blamed on Covid or far right terrorists.
Bet this Ben is not short of a few bob, probably private schooling, bloody hypocrite, he can’t have an experience of REAL life.
The deaths will be hidden in the normal winter deaths from flu, pneumonia etc.
Exactly, No good saying he can notanswer pre budget but pensioners will be better off
We need the income now in the cold months NOT in April 2025
@@jackmchammocklashing224 it was the previous Government that brought in the triple lock. This one would take it away, another thing to punish pensioners.
shouldnt be an option to abstain...yes or no.
No. You are there to represent your constituents and vote "their wishes" - not your own.
@@cocos8903 exactly your constituents dont all think ...erm i will sit this one out, give a bloody answer.
@@OllyO-gt8pg They SERVE their constituents.
If they refuse then the electorate has every right to sack them. Replace them with somebody who does their job.
@@cocos8903 said it for years if an elected party hasnt met at least 75% of its pledges by the end of term then they should forfeit the next elections as standards havnt been met, it breaks up the two horse system we have and gives other parties a look in, it may also improve the quality of the house as all of them will have to try harder to stay in "business", its like hiring a firm to a job for you...they take all your money in advance with promises to the job but never carry it out...then people go and hire them again and again lol...madness.
Cowards. Toe the party line or stand up for the people. Couldn’t face consequences of either.
Absolute evil bastards, how in gods name can they be allowed to take expenses!
“I in 4 pensioners are millionaires”what that means is they own a house. They have a house because they had a mortgage for thirty years and have made sacrifices and worked hard and paid their taxes and bought it.. That is not disposable cash to pay bills. Unless the idea is to make pensioners so poor they have to sell up and move into sheltered housing or residential care home and use the proceeds to see out their life. The UK has one of the lowest old age pensions in the western world, and probably one of the highest energy and fuel costs with the green tariff and fuel tax. The Labour Party should be ashamed of themselves they have just penalised and continue to attack the financial security of some of the most vulnerable people in the country with threats of taking the free bus pass, pay per mile etc as well. If 4000 pensioners die this winter I wonder how many will end up with mental health issues as a result of being forced out their homes and having to listen to the spotty lefty commentator’s such as the one on GB news who doesn’t look like he has ever done a hard days work in his life, who expounds about how well off pensioners are, they have no empathy or knowledge of the issues that impact on old people. I now consider the word pensioner to be an insult as it appears been adopted by the left as meaning spongers of the state, non productive and asset rich people blocking the advancement of the socialist state therefore unworthy of consideration. I think pensioners should be considered as Retired Workers who have earned their pensions from a life of sacrifice and toil.
Why is he getting away with this?
Stupid Libor voters.
We're not talking about the minority rich pensioners but the majority poor ones who will suffer this inhumane decision. I get 10 grand to live on there's nowt left after paying the bills and it's now going to get harder.
3 to 5 million might be well off, but 5 to 8 million pensioners are not, they are lying to justify their actions unfortunately for them their fate is sealed, like 10,000 dead pensioners each year under Labour, the bar stewards!?!
This is fucking madness
Ben has NO IDEA … smug little boy
ITS £300 OVER 80 YEARS OLD. £200 UNDER 80. AND ITS PER HOUSEHOLD NOT EACH. Why has noone mentioned it.
So 4000 early deaths of pensioners is a price worth paying to ensure train drivers on £65,000 per year get a 15% pay rise. …and they call themselves Socialists 😂😂
Kier two tier Stalins vision for a communist authoritarian Dystopia 1984 style.
taking from workers to give to pensioners is not the answer you balloon , try taxing the fecking rich
the worst part is train drivers work for the train operators network rail maintain the tracks so why are the government saying the drivers should get a pay rise it's the fucking unions
🖕🏻socialism
Look back at history. When have Socialists ever improved the life of the working class? Historically Socialists have starved, imprisoned, terrorised, and impoverished the workers as well as everyone else. Socialists are followers of a
totalitarian ideology that seeks a specific goal. If people have to suffer or perish on the way to the goal, it can't be helped. This is the way Socialism views humanity. Socialism has always been an intellectual toy for the middle classes. The middle class, academics, professionals and ideologues invented it, have implemented it and benefited from it. Socialism is about destruction and control in pursuit of its mythical somewhere, sometime.
It would be interesting to hear this young man's comments when he is no longer young, when he's 80, alone and anxious. He makes himself sound very immature and totally lacking in foresight and empathy.
What a ludicrous notion that the majority of pensioners have adequate finances to cope with the ever increasing costs of Gas and Electricity. I am a pensioner aged 89 and although I have managed to save and try desperatly to keep a reserve for unforseen emergencies I now find this winter is going to be a very cold and hard winter to get through thanks to the Labour Governments kick in the teeth for all pensioners. I hope when those ministers are sitting in their central heated home's give a thought for thousands of pensioners living alone wearing their outdoor cloths indoors, because they are unable to afford the luxury of a heated home.
Yes and most people’s savings are for their funerals so they are afraid to use their savings in case there isn’t enough and they leave their family with a bill.
This won't be forgotten. I think that's a bloody understatment, dont you .
As the older generation we didn't take or like to take charity's money. Today it might be different. I'm not a F millionaire such a stupid statement and most of us aren't.
This government is ridiculous. During the past two years the UK taxpayer has thrown 12.7 billion to Ukraine in their war with Russia. The TOTAL bill for the UK winter fuel allowance to support pensioners during 2024 would have been a mere 2 billion. Now we know why there is a black hole in the UK's finances don't we.
There isn't. Stop foreign aid (and £11 billion on insane foreign 'net zero' projects) stop funding Zelensky's war, stop paying union mates, stop funding £8 billion to 'assylum seekers' (plus another £8 billion on those to be given amnesty)...
Mr starmer bet you lot will be cosy in house of commons this winter ,with your £300 pound a day just clocking in or not to the building
Absolutely a fan of Henry.
Thank you Henry for caring
I hope Nigel approaches Henry Bolton to be a Reform candidate as he's front bench ministerial material.
Cheering for such iniquity - that says it all about these people.
Public will revolt and get rid of this government.
Why are Ex Pats living in Europe still getting the full Winter Fuel Allowance regardless of their financial situation? Disgraceful.
Yeah, it's really really cold in Spain etc, that's why they get the heating allowance.
Not all expats get the allowance.
Spain france and América Australia canada dont get it.
Mostly the expats in the area of east europe.. i think that is Romana Bulgaria and other countries round that part if europe DO GET IT and i agree it should stop..the cost of living is less there so they dont need it..
Im in Spain it was stopped here, i have been here 18 years and i think it stop 17 years ago. So NO expats in spain OR Portugal get it..
Not correct western europe like spain Portugal do not get it. Eastern europe Romania Bulgaria Do get it and yes should be stopped the country is cheaper to live so dont need it
Yrs that’s what I wondered. Firstly why they git it at sll snd then nonplussed when I discovered that they couldn’t be refused it because of some European rule
I wrote about the ex Pat situation in a letter to our local paper. It is a disgrace.
The leader we have has admitted to being ruthless and connected to WEF.
If only the voters had done some research.🙏🙏🙏
Abstaining should be banned or to put it bluntly cowardly sitting on the fence.
“I agree” 100%
If online posts are crimes of incitement, then any deaths of people who should have gotten these payments but didn't? Should be treated as obvious crimes too. And we know exactly who to hold responsible!
None of Them will be Forgotten
LABOUR WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN FOR THIS TREACHERY, our pensioners deserve better 😮😮😮....
That young man said one in four pensioners are millionaires really I would like to see were he gets his information from
Spot on, where is My Millions.
What about the 96 pensioners that are not millionaires
Starmer and Reeves
Agree.
He who makes a claim, must provide the evidence...
Me too.
It's time to stop MP'S claiming expenses for everything.
The nation go to work and have to spend their money on extortionate utility bills and council tax.
Their wage is spending money, because they claim for everything.
Stop their expenses and make them live off their wages.
If OAP's lose their winter fuel allowance,
Why don't MP's lose their £3,400 fuel allowance?
Homeless early release prisons will go to hotels, Who pays??
Those mps
must have their heating on day and night for those expenses ? time expenses were means tested 😮
It might be their karma, but releasing prisoners just before winter, on to the streets with nowhere to live, is cruel as well.
Self serving. That's why.
Or maybe the MPs should have the same fuel allowance as the OAPs used to have! They don’t need thousands!
@@G53ij I agree. Why does heating cost MPs £4000 when it only costs pensioners £300?
Young Voices UK.....should be seen and not heard......Another individual who's rides on his parents coat tails, probably private educated and hasn't and probably won't ever do a hard day's graft and he's telling how pensioners need to want of a better word "suck it up". The backbone of what was once a great country.....Shame on Starmer, Labour and their supporters. Churchill once said "never use Lawyers to become PMs and run the country, and he was right.....Blair and now Starmer.....Get him out.
Labour Finished.....Can never trust again.
And this folks is how they are getting rich and can afford second homes …. In my opinion!
When the price cap on our energy bills is announced the average of a UK home is given no MP should be allowed expenses for energy in their second home above the price cap level. We the public do not wish to subsidise exhorbitant energy costs in a the london home of an MP who decides to cash in on his or her good fortune on becomming an MP.
Where do they get this utter BS claiming 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires?
How can Keir Starmer and his Cabinet possibly justify paying themselves allowances for energy costs whilst at the same time witholding the Winter Fuel Payments from pensioners?
Us voters won’t forget you two faced Labour Party you’ll never get voted back in again
Remember: older & wiser, Younger and naive! Facts 😊
One in four millionaires 😮. How the hell does he work that out!!!!!
Well said Henry Bolton
Its corrutp to the core.
Politicians shouldn't be recieving help with fuel bills with the salary they're on.
Cutting the allowance will save £1.4 billion. The loss of political reputation for Labour is massive. Every time a pensioner dies of hypothermia Starmer will be reminded of his decision, this will haunt him for years
No it won’t because he doesn’t give a damn about the British people young or old.Only what he can get for himself and trying to make himself look wonderful to the rest of the world by giving Billions to countries that don’t need it as much as Britain do .I am a pensioner and I am more concerned about the Legal children and Legal young parents of this country.He’s more interested in criminals and illegal immigrants.He also doesn’t seem to realise that spending billions on housing’s,feeding, mobile phones, etc for people coming here illegally who don’t work therefore don't pay taxes means there is less and less tax coming into the chancellor’s pocket.
The british people will only take so much and will rebel.What’s he going to do if we all decide we don’t want to work anymore as we will get more in benefits anyway.
You only need a few million of the actual workers in this country to suddenly find they can’t manage to go to work anymore then where’s the tax monies going to come from The Millionaires don’t think so they all appear to be leaving the country anyway.
Don’t mock me it could happen.