I have a torqueedo, and wouldn’t mind if it dropped overboard. Totally agree about the connector, but I’ll add the shear pin breaks ALL. THE. TIME. And the delay in the throttle almost knocked my 7yo overboard into the prop once.
I have an 1103C. Same issues you describe. The little pins on my power connector broke due to the bad design. Torgeedo said it was my fault and would not cover the repair. Repair was over $900 and was nearly impossible to find someone to work on it. Also had the shear pins boke after one season. They rust! I think these are import details for prospective buyers to know.
@@bfraik I tried tef gel on the shear pin this season, but it broke on our first outing. I’ve replaced it with the biggest cotter pin that fits through the shaft hole. My hope is the softer less brittle metal will stand up to stress better.
I have been using my Torqeedo 1103 for two years with my Etap 22i without any problems. My max speed is only 3.8kts, but not too bad for a 1.5 ton boat. I do agree with the comment on the difficult power cable plug, it could have been designed so much better. My problem is that the plug does not naturally align with the socket and has to be rotated 90 degrees against a strong thick springy rubber cable in order to insert it correctly. This cable alignment could easily have been achieved during the body assembly stage. My motor is mounted in a well forward of the transom, so it is controlled with a remote hand lever which duplicates the information display of the unused tiller. Generally, the battery is sufficient for daily trips as I need the motor only for leaving and returning to my mooring. However, for peace of mind I always carry an extra battery, although I have yet needed to use it.
I bought my Torqeedo 1003 in 2008. It is still working just fine. I do not have any issues with the power connectors. My only complaint is that my early motor is a bit louder than the new ones.
I bought the epropulsion awhile back for my 12ft inflatable that we took out to the Oregon coast bays for crabbing. Didn’t want to deal with gas and storage. Started initially with a Newport 55 trolling with a lithium ion battery- not enough power when dealing with outgoing tides. Got the epropulsion and no problems with overcoming the tides. Salt water hasn’t been an issue either. Love it.
I love my ePropulsion. However I think you skipped over one notable feature of the Torqeedo, which is that it has GPS that gives you speed and distance remaining, vs just time remaining. In practice, I think time remaining is good enough to gauge whether you can make it back to the ramp. Also, one feature of the ePropulsion that impressed me is that it will automatically burn off power from the battery down to 50% if it’s left charged for over 10 days. This helps preserve the lifetime of lithium batteries.
I owned a Spirit 1.0 PLUS last year. I'am verry happy with it and i think its better than the Torqueedo (altough i'm german). Unfortunately this video is obviously more of an advertisement than a real shootout. You could have done better!
Great product. I upgraded from a 30lbs minn kota on my canoe and I am more than happy with the purchase. I have been using it all summer long and it hasn’t let me down once.
A year ago I stopped watching this after hearing the price. A year later, I’m so glad I get to watch a comparison with a comparably set up Jon boat. Can’t get anymore useful than this!!
I bought a first-generation Torqeedo 10 years ago and used it for just two years before I gave it-literally GAVE it-away. It stranded me numerous times and went back to the US distributor three times for warranty repair. When the warranty expired I knew it was pointless to continue. I bought a noisy but totally reliable gasoline outboard and vowed to have nothing further to do with Torqeedo. I'm cautiously impressed with what I've seen and heard about ePropulsion-and almost interested. But the cost remains an issue. I just can't understand why an electric outboard should cost twice as much as a comparable gasoline motor. When you bring the price down, I'll be interested.
I to have a 1st generation Torqeedo. Very unreliable, delicate construction , heavy maintenance , expensive replacement parts, but my Minn Kota riptide with lipo batteries is lighter , easy to handle, more powerful , quieter and easy to maintain. I use recycled 18650 batteries in a 30 unit box that runs for hours.
I own the Torqeedo Travel 1003C. I use it as the dinghy motor on my powerboat. I rarely use my dinghy. I like that the Torqeedo doesn't drip oil (outboard). I can store in inside the boat in a locker. Nice video. Two comments. I'm not surprised at similar top speeds from similar e-outboards. Another explanation is hull speed. Both motors pushed the jon boat to hull speed. After that, a resistance wall comes up. Secondly, my one Torqeedo complaint, as Anthony mentioned, is the goofy main connector. It's always difficult to thread.
Personally I like the fact that the Torqeedo splits down further and I don't have any trouble with the battery connector and I've never lost a locating pin. However if the Torqeedo didn't exist I'd go Epropulsion before ever going back to petrol
Great video Anthony thanks for sharing as I'm currently setting up a 100% electric 4m bass boat now. Some great points highlighted indeed. Wow 40% more battery runtime at $500US les is a no brainer for sure. Thanks for sharing.
It puts Torqeedo in an interesting spot. One could debate what is better between the Torqeedo and the Newport, but the Newport has a couple cost advantages over the ePropulsion and the Torqeedo seems to have no advantages.
Two main advantages I see with the Torqeedo: you can charge while running (if you have extra battery bank onboard) and it is 4lbs lighter than the Spirit which makes a big difference on a smaller boat.
Thanks that was great, just returned from a holiday where by outbound on my dingy was constantly giving me trouble and decided to get electric one to replace me 5hp Yamaha. The spirit it is..
I don't have either yet - but weight distribution is a consideration on how my tiny sailboat sails. From what I can find the ePro weighs a good deal more. 42.6 vs 33 lb, yeah? I'd take the extra weight for the benefits you outline, but only mentioning the positives of the brand you have plastered on your boat as a sponsor makes your otherwise excellent review feel like a commercial.
You know, I couldn't think of a single advantage the Torqeedo has, but you're right, that is one. Weight matters for a small motor, a lot of people put them on inflatable dinghies, even.
Have you encountered aquatic weeds with either of these motors, and how well did they do? Some of the best fishing is where there is pretty thick growth, so it is good to know if the motor just cut through them, or started to excessively vibrate or quite when fouled?
Shopping now for my sailboat. Fantastic review - many thanks for all your work here. This is exactly the detail I was trying to find to make a buying decision.
3hp max, half drained battery 2hp and dropping. A little head wind or current and you will make negative progress, not fun when you are drifting towards a rocky shore. a 4hp gasoline engine has 4hp all the time, and a practical range.
Viva Torqeedo 👍🏽 After more than 10 years of reliable use . The tiller is separate on the Torqeedo allows the use of the optional remote throttle which is more convenient on a wide boat such as a Hobie cat
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Should have been mentioned in the video or maybe I missed it 🤔 Still the removable Torqeedo tiller is a plus point at least on my Hobicat Wave catamaran on which a fixed tiller will get in the way of the twin rudder cross bar . Now if there is an issue common to both brands it would be the limited global service coverage …… After all not everyone resides in the US or Europe ,
It was mentioned at the end where I show images of the Spirit Evo and talk about the key features of remote steering ability and that it is capable of hydrogenaration. The Spirit Evo is capable self charging the battery while out on the water. A huge deal for people using on sail boats. This video was on the Spirit Plus however, not the Evo which is why it was only briefly mentioned at the end. Anyhow, glad you enjoy your Torqeedo.
I do have the ePropulsion 1.0. Still, I think it's a funny video. A guy with "ePropulsion" all over himself, his boat and whatnot, makes a comparison between the Epropulsion and the Torqeedo. That is like the devil makes a comparison between hell and heaven. Guess who is going to win that. Anyhow, I personally would buy the ePropulsion again, it's a good motor, and I never had a chance to test the Torqeedo. Also, I am convinced that electric is the way to go unless you cruise in very remote locations. But, there may be a problem coming our way with these electric motors. We had a crack in the black part of the battery housing, the battery was not water-tight anymore. It did not take a lot of force to cause that. The black plastic is very brittle, cheaply made. Very unfortunate, the company did not offer this part as a spare part. This list of spare part seems to be pretty short. They told us to buy a new battery (> 800$) or, better, a completely new motor since there is now a newer version. Here is the problem I see. Even though more expensive like their gasoline counterparts, electric motors may become the same as an iPhone or other electronic devices. Sorry, no real repair, just replacement.
I'm ePropulsion all the way. I let that be known rather than hide it. I see value is being fully transparent about my relationship with them. I get many offers to work with companies and I choose to align myself with ePropulsion based off their product and continual evolution of their product. Instead of hide in the shadows, dress in regular clothing and act as if I just doing a video for fun, I show the truth. That's why I wear the hat, the shirt, have the boat decal. The video is to show the world what I already know, that the ePropulsion is a better product. And it is. It's not an opinion of is a Whopper is better than a Big Mac, there is no biased. I simply show on video why one is better than the other and why I work with one company and not the other. Torqeedo never had a chance. I knew long before this video where their product stood. I hope this makes sense. Sorry to hearabout tge battery. I cannot speak for ePropulsion on that regard nor know their warranty policy in that case. It sounds you have the Spirit. Improvements were made on the Plus. There will always be newer technology making the older stuff more obsolete. I do not see that with the outboards so much as the batteries. Even then, I don't feel it is that bad. But sonar and fish finders? Drastic difference every year. I know guys who upgrade year after year spending 3-5 grand a year. Unbelievable. Outboards not so much on that level.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I didn't think it was unfair comparison, given the difference in the price, the work time, the charge time, etc. Facts are facts. I don't think the torqueedo looks like its in the same class. Dare I say in the looks department either. Maybe there are some torqueedo features we weren't given, but 50% better runtime would have sold me on epro just for that. That's the difference of a lot of fishing time on the water. $500 cheaper is a hammer given that one thing already. How many of us have given up the day fishing when we run low on battery (or gas). I didn't think it was presented unfairly. The criticism about the connection looked accurate. Seems like epropulsion is a more advanced design, which given it is newer, is likely. The next commenter had a good question about weight though. Is epropulsion heavier?
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I think you must have accidentally forgotten to mention that E-propulsion requires a charge regulator for solar charging, while torqeedo has one integrated inside.. so what's the story about E-propulsion being able to be solar charged up to 180 volts..?
¡Lamentable! Si se supone que una batería de litio ha de durar muchos años y alardean de su estanqueidad y flotabilidad, ya podían ofrecer repuesto de la carcasa, sabiendo de antemano que tiene problemas de cierta fragilidad. Esto es un punto muy negativo.
One thing that I think is holding both of these back, especially the torqueedo, is the fact that you can’t run them off of normal trolling motor batteries. The epropulsion at least gives you the option to buy an external battery but it has to be the one that they make. No experience with either and I’m just now learning of most of the features, so maybe there’s a way to jerry rig them but I feel like that would be a big turn off for many potential buyers. Especially those who may already have extra marine batteries ready to go into their boats.
Actually with the Torqeedo, you can use external batteries. It is specified in the manual that the battery can be charged while also running. You just have to connect a charging cable between the battery charging port and an external battery of 12-48V.
Great video. Can you perhaps do a video on the spirit remote and a compatible steering system for it? Also what other 48v batteries work for the spirit?
I am curious about longlivity of both. A friend of mine owns a 2kw 24V torqueedo and 2 motors died because of water came into the motor leading to a $1500 damage twice. Bad luck or shity quality? There is no cheap rebuild kit available. Is there any service kit or seals available for both?
i can't speak for the Torqeedo at this point but we have run the ePropulsion's for years here in Ga, only know of one lower unit having to be replaced on one that was used very very heavily. I myself have never had any issues nor has my friends. Good thing for ePropulsion is since that video, they have implemented more dealers in the US and here in Ga TBNation Outdoors Southeast is a certified ePropulsion service center. Definitely good to have a network if you need it.
I want one of these badly. I would like to never have to pull-start a boat motor again! And not to mention having to deal with E-10 gas issues which is all that we have around me.
When you don't have the power required to jump up on plane, aren't you dealing with the physics of hull speed? The rule of thumb equation for a displacement sailboat hull is square root of the water line length x 1.35 = theoretical maximum hull speed. Without planing a boat gets trapped in the trough of the bow wave. So, the square root of 14 (even thought the waterline length is less) = 3.74 x 1.35 = 5.05 , but that's in knots. In MPH it's 5.81 mph. Which is pretty darn close to max speed you demonstrated in this video. Doesn't it require some horsepower and speed to jump up and skim the surface of the water? And if that's not achievable isn't our speed confined to the physics of pushing the weight of water we displace aside and it reuniting behind us? Can anyone 'splain this to me?
I knew about Torqeedo but not E-propulsion. Also reading some of the comments about broken pins on the Torqeedo makes it look like an easy win for the Spirit.
An update to this older video --- I noticed Torqeedo's new Travel models just released changed the battery and tiller setup. The connectors are gone for everyday use! Very good changes. ePropulsion is giving Torqeedo the urgency to improve quickly. Competition is good for us users. I have a Travel 1003C and agree with the cable connecting woes - shear pin also. Otherwise it moves my Capri 22 (2250 lb sailboat) to just under hull speed in most weather and seas. I bought it primarily for my dinghy. I use a Torqeedo Cruise 2.0 as the main electric outboard. The tiller is built-in and is not detached normally. It can be removed and changed to a remote throttle. That fidgety data cable is still there but is now internal. Most people will never see it, let alone touch it. The battery slot looks the same, but the power connector self aligns as the battery fully seats. The battery is held in place with a large top-mounted integral clip. No more orange "locking pin" to get lost!
the big concern is the battery longevity, Torqeedo is using some Panasonic cells, no clue about the Hong Kong built ePropulsion, time will say which is better. Torqeedo battery cells you can't replace one by one without serious damage on the circuit, they are fixed in some tar, no clue about ePropulsion battery if you can replace cells/repair by yourself.
Great review thanks. This has helped me confirm my decision to but ePropulsion instead of Torqeedo. Only thing I’m trying to decide between the Spirit Plus that you reviewed vs Evo (slightly newer with sone extra features like hydrocharging if you tow it behind a sailing boat to charge it).
On the ePropulsion, I like the fact that I can simultaneously solar charge the internal battery while I'm using it and now with the Spirit1.0 Plus which is a stronger 48v version, if your internal battery becomes spent you can simply attach an external battery, the E40, while your now removed internal battery continues being solar recharged and its just a little more than a second internal battery (I don't think the E40 floats though). Too bad the prop is not of the weedless type either. I'm just not sure after all that expense it would push a Sea Eagle FastCat 14.4, catamaran-hulled, 4-passenger, inflatable, pontoon boat along at displacement hullspeed with some reserve if the wind should come up. If I opted to go with the next two bigger-sized motors I'd be talking about spending more than the rest of the boat and trailer combined. Probably not worth it.
Brother, Wow, a perfect companion for me. I've seen your Minn Kota comparison and this one. I have a Precision P-15K sailboat and wanted an electric option to replace my Tohatsu 3.5HP 2-Stroke. Seems this Sprint 1.0 plus is the perfect electric outboard. I'll need a long shaft as my transom height is 18". Cheers, Eric
Does the ePropulsion have 360 steering? I have CraigCat boats and have been running MinnKota trolling motors that I convert to bow mount (the motor sits slightly forward between the seats). If I can do the same with the ePropulsion, I am very interested.
I wonder how you make an emergency stop when using the optional remote control on these outboards. Is there a reverse that you can activate or should you just jump of the boat in case of collision?
The current Torqueedo batteries do float, they say, though I'm NOT inclined to try it out! The two cables ARE difficult to put on, especially the power one!
I owned both of these motors. So far im very satisfied with the Epropulsion. I bought a torqeedo and had nonstop issues. Bought a back up battery and a extra tiller as the screen failed. The torquedo warrentee is usless. I took it to a service center for another issue and they told me it would cost me 600 dollars to repair a new motor. There was nothing wrong with the motor. I'm looking to repower my sailboat and would not consider a torquedo product.
speed also has everything to do with prop style and pitch. If you're seriously interested in speed and lack of noise, you should check out a sharrow prop.
You mention you have the ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus - EXTRA SHORT SHAFT. What is your transom height? My transom height is right on the border line at 15.5" ... and I am nervous about purchasing the EXTRA short shaft ... and having issues with cavitation and the prop not finding 'clean water'.
I notice that you didn't compare either to an actual 3hp gas outboard. Could it be that these 1KW output motors can't actually perform like a 3hp petrol engine?
It could be because I fish electric only lakes and do not own a gas outboard nor are they permitted. Or it could be that the title of the video was "electric outboard shootout" not "electric outboard vs gas outboard shootout". Either one.
Great info. Picked up a XS (extra short) recently but contemplating the shaft length vs Short (for a 15” transom). Anthony, any experience / thoughts with XS vs S on your boat (I think it’s 15” transom also)?
Hello, the XS has worked out for me with a 15” transom, but based on the recommended lengths provided by ePropulsion I would go with a Short for a 16” transom (16 (transom) + 5.5 (propeller) + 4 (extra) = 25.5). Shaft Options Shaft Length XS 52.5 cm / 20.7 inches S 62.5 cm / 24.6 inches L 75 cm / 29.5 inches
I have a Sun Dolphin Pro 120, and I’ve decided to order the ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 plus after watching tour comparison video. The height from transom mount to bottom of hull is 16”. Would you recommend I get the extra short shaft at 20.6” or the short shaft at 24.6”?
I've had my spirit 1.0 plus for a year. My only issue with it is that the propeller is a vegetation magnet. I have to pull the weeds off by hand too often. I have a little 30 lb thrust minn kota that rarely traps weeds and if it does, I just put it in reverse and the weeds kick off. Does this weed problem happen to anyone else? Also, I have not been able to find that epropulsion sells a weedless propeller. Any possible suggestions\solutions would be appreciated. Thank you
I dont know man. This is the 10th time im watching this video. I really2 love the spirit push the water pretty good with 1kw direct drive brushless motor with battery pack 1kw. It just amazing.. 🤣 unfortunately. Cant afford one yet.
The video is very informative I am glad I watched it if I had to criticize the 1st few minutes of music I have my own music I want to listen to I wanted to hear a video about the product however, I must command the young chap he did a very good job and I'm almost convinced I'm gonna buy the motor he recommended! I noticed at the very end he did plug the motor with a 5% discount I would appreciate it he if he would explain why he is affiliated with that motor. I still trust the guy .
that was a good video I think the spirit is the winner as well. I live in GA as well I just got myself a old jon boat. I was wondering if I could email you some pictures of it I have a few questions about making a front deck.
Comparing the details are very simple, your preferred comparisons, process of elimination, the preferred choice will always take top place, if your money is not that much of a matter, your details were good, I've just recently discovered electric boats, didn't know the market was that big, as for having a big interest in fishing is huge plus, as for getting to a certain spot in the given lake 20,40,50 mile so-to-speak of if really handy, but only if you make note of how much battery run time you actually have, then you sitting fishing and slow trolling, but now that I have seen the personal home made built, in my opinion beats factory built every time, putting in your own floor plans pattern is icing on the cake, I think the battery operated system beats the gasoline motor all the way around, beats gas hands down, it's a no brainer,
Nice detailed review ... but how about an update a year later? Did the ePropulsion or the Torqeedo hold up? They look great, and I want one ... but reliability over time?? Reliability in an engine is the *most* important feature. The further an engine can take me from the boat launch, the more reliable it must be to get me back, right? A no-name company that's only ten years old and manufactures in Hong Kong? I don't trust it to get me home. I can trust that the Mercury 3hp will start and will get me home.
Tried and true, we have been running ePropulsion in many boats as well as my best friends boat here on my channel (the blue Unbelievable Basstracker) for years now, no issues. I personally own two of their motors. I do not get out as often as I'd like but my friend in the blue boat fishes in 3 different tournament trails and logs a lot of hours on his outboard, fishing a few days a week. I feel it is safe to say either manufacturer has you covered for reliability. You mentioned a Mercury 3hp, keep in mind we fish electric only lakes and waters, so electric outboards are our only option. I had a four stroke Honda and I can tell you this ePropulsion runs every time ive used it, nothing ever broken, never left me stranded, my 2007 honda four stroke i used for big gas lakes, total opposite. I feared taking that thing out never knowing what to expect. I'm sold on electric only lakes and reservoirs and electric outboards regardless where they are made, haven't let me down yet.
I always thought both of these were overpriced but I also never realized they also contain their own internal battery which also explains why they are so big🤷♂️
It would be cool to see an all electric boat build with some type of solar charger that will extend your run time and recharge your battery while your sitting over a brush pile fishing for crappie
The problem is solar charging takes too long. Sitting over that brush pile for a hour may charge the battery .005%. It's not immediate. It would take days of being in the sun to recharge, which is why solar works great on sailboats where electric motors are secondary units.
Nice video bro...what's the specs on that accessory battery in the front? Needing new batteries and I need three of them. At 55 lbs each, that is a bit lighter than what I'm currently running
Thank you very much! Yes, I have an idea, and could guess but would hate to give misinformation until I actually weigh it..Thanks for watching and leaving positive feedback!
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I have a torqueedo, and wouldn’t mind if it dropped overboard. Totally agree about the connector, but I’ll add the shear pin breaks ALL. THE. TIME. And the delay in the throttle almost knocked my 7yo overboard into the prop once.
I have an 1103C. Same issues you describe. The little pins on my power connector broke due to the bad design. Torgeedo said it was my fault and would not cover the repair. Repair was over $900 and was nearly impossible to find someone to work on it. Also had the shear pins boke after one season. They rust! I think these are import details for prospective buyers to know.
@@bfraik I tried tef gel on the shear pin this season, but it broke on our first outing. I’ve replaced it with the biggest cotter pin that fits through the shaft hole. My hope is the softer less brittle metal will stand up to stress better.
I have been using my Torqeedo 1103 for two years with my Etap 22i without any problems. My max speed is only 3.8kts, but not too bad for a 1.5 ton boat. I do agree with the comment on the difficult power cable plug, it could have been designed so much better. My problem is that the plug does not naturally align with the socket and has to be rotated 90 degrees against a strong thick springy rubber cable in order to insert it correctly. This cable alignment could easily have been achieved during the body assembly stage. My motor is mounted in a well forward of the transom, so it is controlled with a remote hand lever which duplicates the information display of the unused tiller. Generally, the battery is sufficient for daily trips as I need the motor only for leaving and returning to my mooring. However, for peace of mind I always carry an extra battery, although I have yet needed to use it.
I bought my Torqeedo 1003 in 2008. It is still working just fine. I do not have any issues with the power connectors. My only complaint is that my early motor is a bit louder than the new ones.
Holy crap. Glad your kiddo is okay.
I bought the epropulsion awhile back for my 12ft inflatable that we took out to the Oregon coast bays for crabbing. Didn’t want to deal with gas and storage. Started initially with a Newport 55 trolling with a lithium ion battery- not enough power when dealing with outgoing tides. Got the epropulsion and no problems with overcoming the tides. Salt water hasn’t been an issue either. Love it.
I love my ePropulsion. However I think you skipped over one notable feature of the Torqeedo, which is that it has GPS that gives you speed and distance remaining, vs just time remaining. In practice, I think time remaining is good enough to gauge whether you can make it back to the ramp. Also, one feature of the ePropulsion that impressed me is that it will automatically burn off power from the battery down to 50% if it’s left charged for over 10 days. This helps preserve the lifetime of lithium batteries.
I owned a Spirit 1.0 PLUS last year. I'am verry happy with it and i think its better than the Torqueedo (altough i'm german). Unfortunately this video is obviously more of an advertisement than a real shootout.
You could have done better!
Great product. I upgraded from a 30lbs minn kota on my canoe and I am more than happy with the purchase. I have been using it all summer long and it hasn’t let me down once.
A year ago I stopped watching this after hearing the price. A year later, I’m so glad I get to watch a comparison with a comparably set up Jon boat. Can’t get anymore useful than this!!
I bought a first-generation Torqeedo 10 years ago and used it for just two years before I gave it-literally GAVE it-away. It stranded me numerous times and went back to the US distributor three times for warranty repair. When the warranty expired I knew it was pointless to continue. I bought a noisy but totally reliable gasoline outboard and vowed to have nothing further to do with Torqeedo.
I'm cautiously impressed with what I've seen and heard about ePropulsion-and almost interested. But the cost remains an issue. I just can't understand why an electric outboard should cost twice as much as a comparable gasoline motor. When you bring the price down, I'll be interested.
My first Torqeedo 3 hp lasted three years. Repair or replace? My second Torqeedo lasted two years. I’m now back to my very old seagull. Jacktar
I to have a 1st generation Torqeedo. Very unreliable, delicate construction , heavy maintenance , expensive replacement parts, but my Minn Kota riptide with lipo batteries is lighter , easy to handle, more powerful , quieter and easy to maintain. I use recycled 18650 batteries in a 30 unit box that runs for hours.
Agree in regards to connectors. My 5 year old Torqeedo’s controller connector is failing. I’ve already replaced the entire tiller once.
I own the Torqeedo Travel 1003C. I use it as the dinghy motor on my powerboat. I rarely use my dinghy. I like that the Torqeedo doesn't drip oil (outboard). I can store in inside the boat in a locker.
Nice video. Two comments. I'm not surprised at similar top speeds from similar e-outboards. Another explanation is hull speed. Both motors pushed the jon boat to hull speed. After that, a resistance wall comes up.
Secondly, my one Torqeedo complaint, as Anthony mentioned, is the goofy main connector. It's always difficult to thread.
Personally I like the fact that the Torqeedo splits down further and I don't have any trouble with the battery connector and I've never lost a locating pin. However if the Torqeedo didn't exist I'd go Epropulsion before ever going back to petrol
Great video Anthony thanks for sharing as I'm currently setting up a 100% electric 4m bass boat now. Some great points highlighted indeed. Wow 40% more battery runtime at $500US les is a no brainer for sure. Thanks for sharing.
Great review and side-by-side comparison.....the ePropulsion would be my choice.
It puts Torqeedo in an interesting spot. One could debate what is better between the Torqeedo and the Newport, but the Newport has a couple cost advantages over the ePropulsion and the Torqeedo seems to have no advantages.
Two main advantages I see with the Torqeedo: you can charge while running (if you have extra battery bank onboard) and it is 4lbs lighter than the Spirit which makes a big difference on a smaller boat.
Spirit 1.0 Plus also allow charging while running.
The reason for being heavier is because the battery capacity is 40% more. And the full-throttle runtime is 50% more.
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Thanks that was great, just returned from a holiday where by outbound on my dingy was constantly giving me trouble and decided to get electric one to replace me 5hp Yamaha. The spirit it is..
Looking at buying an electric outboard and came across your video here. Awesome comparison and much appreciated detail. Really dig this video.
No problem. Thanks for the feedback and support
Nice review, I have the Spirit 1.0 and love it. I even used it on an overnight adventure in crocodile country.
Awesome to hear man! Idk about the cross though....lol. The Spirit is a great outboard, I'm a believer!
You really hunt crocodile 🐊.?
My bad about crocs. I read it wrong. I thout ctocs hunt. Sorry my bad.. Hv a nice day
I don't have either yet - but weight distribution is a consideration on how my tiny sailboat sails. From what I can find the ePro weighs a good deal more. 42.6 vs 33 lb, yeah? I'd take the extra weight for the benefits you outline, but only mentioning the positives of the brand you have plastered on your boat as a sponsor makes your otherwise excellent review feel like a commercial.
You know, I couldn't think of a single advantage the Torqeedo has, but you're right, that is one. Weight matters for a small motor, a lot of people put them on inflatable dinghies, even.
Have you encountered aquatic weeds with either of these motors, and how well did they do? Some of the best fishing is where there is pretty thick growth, so it is good to know if the motor just cut through them, or started to excessively vibrate or quite when fouled?
Still pretty neat to see those little motors with attached batteries moving a fully kitted out boat boat around.
Definitely cool to see and play with!
The floating battery is key! That's a lot of money to use as an untethered anchor
Pretty awesome
Fantastic comparison vid. Thank you for your efforts!
Shopping now for my sailboat. Fantastic review - many thanks for all your work here. This is exactly the detail I was trying to find to make a buying decision.
3hp max, half drained battery 2hp and dropping. A little head wind or current and you will make negative progress, not fun when you are drifting towards a rocky shore. a 4hp gasoline engine has 4hp all the time, and a practical range.
Viva Torqeedo 👍🏽
After more than 10 years of reliable use . The tiller is separate on the Torqeedo allows the use of the optional remote throttle which is more convenient on a wide boat such as a Hobie cat
Spirit Evo has remote throttle as well.
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Should have been mentioned in the video or maybe I missed it 🤔
Still the removable Torqeedo tiller is a plus point at least on my Hobicat Wave catamaran on which a fixed tiller will get in the way of the twin rudder cross bar . Now if there is an issue common to both brands it would be the limited global service coverage …… After all not everyone resides in the US or Europe ,
It was mentioned at the end where I show images of the Spirit Evo and talk about the key features of remote steering ability and that it is capable of hydrogenaration. The Spirit Evo is capable self charging the battery while out on the water. A huge deal for people using on sail boats. This video was on the Spirit Plus however, not the Evo which is why it was only briefly mentioned at the end. Anyhow, glad you enjoy your Torqeedo.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats the hydrogeneration is a major plus for EPropulsion.
I do have the ePropulsion 1.0. Still, I think it's a funny video. A guy with "ePropulsion" all over himself, his boat and whatnot, makes a comparison between the Epropulsion and the Torqeedo. That is like the devil makes a comparison between hell and heaven. Guess who is going to win that.
Anyhow, I personally would buy the ePropulsion again, it's a good motor, and I never had a chance to test the Torqeedo. Also, I am convinced that electric is the way to go unless you cruise in very remote locations.
But, there may be a problem coming our way with these electric motors. We had a crack in the black part of the battery housing, the battery was not water-tight anymore. It did not take a lot of force to cause that. The black plastic is very brittle, cheaply made. Very unfortunate, the company did not offer this part as a spare part. This list of spare part seems to be pretty short. They told us to buy a new battery (> 800$) or, better, a completely new motor since there is now a newer version. Here is the problem I see. Even though more expensive like their gasoline counterparts, electric motors may become the same as an iPhone or other electronic devices. Sorry, no real repair, just replacement.
I'm ePropulsion all the way. I let that be known rather than hide it. I see value is being fully transparent about my relationship with them. I get many offers to work with companies and I choose to align myself with ePropulsion based off their product and continual evolution of their product. Instead of hide in the shadows, dress in regular clothing and act as if I just doing a video for fun, I show the truth. That's why I wear the hat, the shirt, have the boat decal. The video is to show the world what I already know, that the ePropulsion is a better product. And it is. It's not an opinion of is a Whopper is better than a Big Mac, there is no biased. I simply show on video why one is better than the other and why I work with one company and not the other. Torqeedo never had a chance. I knew long before this video where their product stood. I hope this makes sense. Sorry to hearabout tge battery. I cannot speak for ePropulsion on that regard nor know their warranty policy in that case. It sounds you have the Spirit. Improvements were made on the Plus. There will always be newer technology making the older stuff more obsolete. I do not see that with the outboards so much as the batteries. Even then, I don't feel it is that bad. But sonar and fish finders? Drastic difference every year. I know guys who upgrade year after year spending 3-5 grand a year. Unbelievable. Outboards not so much on that level.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I didn't think it was unfair comparison, given the difference in the price, the work time, the charge time, etc. Facts are facts. I don't think the torqueedo looks like its in the same class. Dare I say in the looks department either. Maybe there are some torqueedo features we weren't given, but 50% better runtime would have sold me on epro just for that. That's the difference of a lot of fishing time on the water. $500 cheaper is a hammer given that one thing already. How many of us have given up the day fishing when we run low on battery (or gas). I didn't think it was presented unfairly. The criticism about the connection looked accurate. Seems like epropulsion is a more advanced design, which given it is newer, is likely. The next commenter had a good question about weight though. Is epropulsion heavier?
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I think you must have accidentally forgotten to mention that E-propulsion requires a charge regulator for solar charging, while torqeedo has one integrated inside.. so what's the story about E-propulsion being able to be solar charged up to 180 volts..?
¡Lamentable! Si se supone que una batería de litio ha de durar muchos años y alardean de su estanqueidad y flotabilidad, ya podían ofrecer repuesto de la carcasa, sabiendo de antemano que tiene problemas de cierta fragilidad. Esto es un punto muy negativo.
@@mesutpeynircimax451 Ni a mi peor enemigo le recomendaría que tuviese 180V CC en un barco.
One thing that I think is holding both of these back, especially the torqueedo, is the fact that you can’t run them off of normal trolling motor batteries. The epropulsion at least gives you the option to buy an external battery but it has to be the one that they make. No experience with either and I’m just now learning of most of the features, so maybe there’s a way to jerry rig them but I feel like that would be a big turn off for many potential buyers. Especially those who may already have extra marine batteries ready to go into their boats.
The external abttery has to be 48V, it does not have to be epropulsion's.
Actually with the Torqeedo, you can use external batteries. It is specified in the manual that the battery can be charged while also running. You just have to connect a charging cable between the battery charging port and an external battery of 12-48V.
This way it will not only work on an external battery, but also charge the motor battery while running.
@@emunt I hope your correct. I just BOT the 1103 c (got a good price) and regardless of price that charging feature tips the scales.
Great video. Can you perhaps do a video on the spirit remote and a compatible steering system for it? Also what other 48v batteries work for the spirit?
The floating battery had me sold...
I am curious about longlivity of both. A friend of mine owns a 2kw 24V torqueedo and 2 motors died because of water came into the motor leading to a $1500 damage twice. Bad luck or shity quality? There is no cheap rebuild kit available. Is there any service kit or seals available for both?
i can't speak for the Torqeedo at this point but we have run the ePropulsion's for years here in Ga, only know of one lower unit having to be replaced on one that was used very very heavily. I myself have never had any issues nor has my friends. Good thing for ePropulsion is since that video, they have implemented more dealers in the US and here in Ga TBNation Outdoors Southeast is a certified ePropulsion service center. Definitely good to have a network if you need it.
I want one of these badly. I would like to never have to pull-start a boat motor again! And not to mention having to deal with E-10 gas issues which is all that we have around me.
Go for it!
Great writeup brother! I'd been looking at various electric options, and this really helps.
No problem, thank you
What a great review! I am new to the idea of electric motor for my dinghy and I loved the education provided!
When you don't have the power required to jump up on plane, aren't you dealing with the physics of hull speed? The rule of thumb equation for a displacement sailboat hull is square root of the water line length x 1.35 = theoretical maximum hull speed. Without planing a boat gets trapped in the trough of the bow wave. So, the square root of 14 (even thought the waterline length is less) = 3.74 x 1.35 = 5.05 , but that's in knots. In MPH it's 5.81 mph. Which is pretty darn close to max speed you demonstrated in this video. Doesn't it require some horsepower and speed to jump up and skim the surface of the water? And if that's not achievable isn't our speed confined to the physics of pushing the weight of water we displace aside and it reuniting behind us? Can anyone 'splain this to me?
I think you pretty well explained it. He could probably get better run time with the same speed using a smaller motor.
No need. You did a fine job.
@@masterx11a or just not so much power to the motor
Drag goes up dramatically at hull speed. Range at 80% of hull speed?
I do believe you are spot on, the hull design determines speed.
I knew about Torqeedo but not E-propulsion. Also reading some of the comments about broken pins on the Torqeedo makes it look like an easy win for the Spirit.
Kinda wish this video was made last year when I got my 1103c... it is what it is now. I just need to make sure I do not break/ damage the pins.
I could've guessed since he had a E Propulsion sticker on his boat
Fully transparent here. There's a reason why I chose to run ePropulsion
Did you mention the warranty on both?
So a external battery cant be connected to either one?
-bonjour j hésite entre ces deux modèles lequel esr le meilleur ?,merci
Makes no odds to Torqeedo as the epropulsion uses patented tech from Torqeedo so it’s a Win Win for Torqeedo 😉
An update to this older video --- I noticed Torqeedo's new Travel models just released changed the battery and tiller setup.
The connectors are gone for everyday use!
Very good changes. ePropulsion is giving Torqeedo the urgency to improve quickly. Competition is good for us users.
I have a Travel 1003C and agree with the cable connecting woes - shear pin also. Otherwise it moves my Capri 22 (2250 lb sailboat) to just under hull speed in most weather and seas. I bought it primarily for my dinghy. I use a Torqeedo Cruise 2.0 as the main electric outboard.
The tiller is built-in and is not detached normally. It can be removed and changed to a remote throttle. That fidgety data cable is still there but is now internal. Most people will never see it, let alone touch it.
The battery slot looks the same, but the power connector self aligns as the battery fully seats. The battery is held in place with a large top-mounted integral clip. No more orange "locking pin" to get lost!
Great factual review! It is a no brainer.
👊 Thank u
the big concern is the battery longevity, Torqeedo is using some Panasonic cells, no clue about the Hong Kong built ePropulsion, time will say which is better. Torqeedo battery cells you can't replace one by one without serious damage on the circuit, they are fixed in some tar, no clue about ePropulsion battery if you can replace cells/repair by yourself.
Look great - i think im buying one of this ePropulsion
love mine!
Great review thanks. This has helped me confirm my decision to but ePropulsion instead of Torqeedo. Only thing I’m trying to decide between the Spirit Plus that you reviewed vs Evo (slightly newer with sone extra features like hydrocharging if you tow it behind a sailing boat to charge it).
On the ePropulsion, I like the fact that I can simultaneously solar charge the internal battery while I'm using it and now with the Spirit1.0 Plus which is a stronger 48v version, if your internal battery becomes spent you can simply attach an external battery, the E40, while your now removed internal battery continues being solar recharged and its just a little more than a second internal battery (I don't think the E40 floats though). Too bad the prop is not of the weedless type either. I'm just not sure after all that expense it would push a Sea Eagle FastCat 14.4, catamaran-hulled, 4-passenger, inflatable, pontoon boat along at displacement hullspeed with some reserve if the wind should come up. If I opted to go with the next two bigger-sized motors I'd be talking about spending more than the rest of the boat and trailer combined. Probably not worth it.
Best comparison I seen plus great enthusiasm and vids.
Thank u
I have an Epropulsion EVO, it's so cool! My battery literally has more energy in it after sailing than it did at the start.
Brother,
Wow, a perfect companion for me. I've seen your Minn Kota comparison and this one. I have a Precision P-15K sailboat and wanted an electric option to replace my Tohatsu 3.5HP 2-Stroke. Seems this Sprint 1.0 plus is the perfect electric outboard.
I'll need a long shaft as my transom height is 18".
Cheers, Eric
Can we use more then 1 epropulsion motor simultaneously control by 1 steering? Btw.. Very nice vid 👍
It would be great to see a comparison with a cheaper alternative such as Haswing Ultima.
Would be interesting to compare the 2 in thick weeds. I’m curious to see how these would handle this.
Does the ePropulsion have 360 steering? I have CraigCat boats and have been running MinnKota trolling motors that I convert to bow mount (the motor sits slightly forward between the seats). If I can do the same with the ePropulsion, I am very interested.
I wonder how you make an emergency stop when using the optional remote control on these outboards. Is there a reverse that you can activate or should you just jump of the boat in case of collision?
For reverse you simply turn the throttle the opposite direction…couldn’t be easier
So what size do I need for a 1542 boat catch you next time
The current Torqueedo batteries do float, they say, though I'm NOT inclined to try it out! The two cables ARE difficult to put on, especially the power one!
nice review do you also sell the bag set ? don't see it on your site ? is that free shipping also?
Sir how much cost this engine sir with indian currency
Perfect vid !
Info only !!
Love it !!!
🖖🏼
could you put it on the back of a kayak for funsies?
I owned both of these motors. So far im very satisfied with the Epropulsion. I bought a torqeedo and had nonstop issues. Bought a back up battery and a extra tiller as the screen failed. The torquedo warrentee is usless. I took it to a service center for another issue and they told me it would cost me 600 dollars to repair a new motor. There was nothing wrong with the motor. I'm looking to repower my sailboat and would not consider a torquedo product.
Sounds like Torqedo needs to step up their game.
Can you charge the ePropulsion while in use???
Like to see the Newport brand on a test....since they should be on this test !
They didn't make an electric outboard almost 2 years ago when this video was filmed.
speed also has everything to do with prop style and pitch. If you're seriously interested in speed and lack of noise, you should check out a sharrow prop.
The spirit has some good options with the high wattage solar input and optional external battery...
You mention you have the ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus - EXTRA SHORT SHAFT. What is your transom height? My transom height is right on the border line at 15.5" ... and I am nervous about purchasing the EXTRA short shaft ... and having issues with cavitation and the prop not finding 'clean water'.
I notice that you didn't compare either to an actual 3hp gas outboard. Could it be that these 1KW output motors can't actually perform like a 3hp petrol engine?
It could be because I fish electric only lakes and do not own a gas outboard nor are they permitted. Or it could be that the title of the video was "electric outboard shootout" not "electric outboard vs gas outboard shootout". Either one.
Might be a dumb question but it tips forward for when you are in shallow water an not using it right?
Yes like a regular outboard it is adjustable
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats thanks man
Can you change a prop to a 3 blade on the E-motors like you could on a gas model? Would it make any sort of difference?
Great info. Picked up a XS (extra short) recently but contemplating the shaft length vs Short (for a 15” transom). Anthony, any experience / thoughts with XS vs S on your boat (I think it’s 15” transom also)?
Hello! How did the XS shaft workout for you? I have a 16" transom and am debating between XS and short shaft. Would love to hear your insight!
Hello, the XS has worked out for me with a 15” transom, but based on the recommended lengths provided by ePropulsion I would go with a Short for a 16” transom (16 (transom) + 5.5 (propeller) + 4 (extra) = 25.5).
Shaft Options Shaft Length
XS 52.5 cm / 20.7 inches
S 62.5 cm / 24.6 inches
L 75 cm / 29.5 inches
I have a Sun Dolphin Pro 120, and I’ve decided to order the ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 plus after watching tour comparison video. The height from transom mount to bottom of hull is 16”. Would you recommend I get the extra short shaft at 20.6” or the short shaft at 24.6”?
Do you want center of prop to be 4.6" below the waterline, or 8.6"?
I'm am. Looking into doing an electronic water shuttle services across my bay this was very useful thanks
I've had my spirit 1.0 plus for a year. My only issue with it is that the propeller is a vegetation magnet. I have to pull the weeds off by hand too often. I have a little 30 lb thrust minn kota that rarely traps weeds and if it does, I just put it in reverse and the weeds kick off. Does this weed problem happen to anyone else? Also, I have not been able to find that epropulsion sells a weedless propeller. Any possible suggestions\solutions would be appreciated. Thank you
I dont know man.
This is the 10th time im watching this video.
I really2 love the spirit push the water pretty good with 1kw direct drive brushless motor with battery pack 1kw. It just amazing..
🤣 unfortunately. Cant afford one yet.
I love to see you test Spirit 1.0 Evo or Navy Evo 9.9HP v.s. Mercury Avator Electric Outboard.
Is this Lake Lanier?
No, 45 mins east
The video is very informative I am glad I watched it if I had to criticize the 1st few minutes of music I have my own music I want to listen to I wanted to hear a video about the product however, I must command the young chap he did a very good job and I'm almost convinced I'm gonna buy the motor he recommended!
I noticed at the very end he did plug the motor with a 5% discount I would appreciate it he if he would explain why he is affiliated with that motor. I still trust the guy .
anyway to afix onto a kayak?
How do you think the spirit would do with a 1760 all welded polar Kraft?
that was a good video I think the spirit is the winner as well. I live in GA as well I just got myself a old jon boat. I was wondering if I could email you some pictures of it I have a few questions about making a front deck.
excellent review. very helpful. Thank you.
I wanted to get one but they are hard to find
Comparing the details are very simple, your preferred comparisons, process of elimination, the preferred choice will always take top place, if your money is not that much of a matter, your details were good, I've just recently discovered electric boats, didn't know the market was that big, as for having a big interest in fishing is huge plus, as for getting to a certain spot in the given lake 20,40,50 mile so-to-speak of if really handy, but only if you make note of how much battery run time you actually have, then you sitting fishing and slow trolling, but now that I have seen the personal home made built, in my opinion beats factory built every time, putting in your own floor plans pattern is icing on the cake, I think the battery operated system beats the gasoline motor all the way around, beats gas hands down, it's a no brainer,
Do I need boat license for electric motor
Thank you for the comparative review.
Thanks
I wonder why you didn't put in a petrol 3HP outboard for comparison.
wondering what APP you use on your phone there :)
Definitely some fishermen involved with the spirit design.
Man, I gotta say, I still love mine!
When can you power with Edison generator? Modify an old generator to edison and let it spin.
Very informative video. I do a lot of trolling for crappie, Do you know how slow both motors can go? I usually troll just under 1 MPH. Thanks
Do all E-propulsion batteries float, even the larger sizes?
No. Just the Spirit ones.
Nice detailed review ... but how about an update a year later? Did the ePropulsion or the Torqeedo hold up? They look great, and I want one ... but reliability over time?? Reliability in an engine is the *most* important feature. The further an engine can take me from the boat launch, the more reliable it must be to get me back, right? A no-name company that's only ten years old and manufactures in Hong Kong? I don't trust it to get me home. I can trust that the Mercury 3hp will start and will get me home.
Tried and true, we have been running ePropulsion in many boats as well as my best friends boat here on my channel (the blue Unbelievable Basstracker) for years now, no issues. I personally own two of their motors. I do not get out as often as I'd like but my friend in the blue boat fishes in 3 different tournament trails and logs a lot of hours on his outboard, fishing a few days a week. I feel it is safe to say either manufacturer has you covered for reliability. You mentioned a Mercury 3hp, keep in mind we fish electric only lakes and waters, so electric outboards are our only option. I had a four stroke Honda and I can tell you this ePropulsion runs every time ive used it, nothing ever broken, never left me stranded, my 2007 honda four stroke i used for big gas lakes, total opposite. I feared taking that thing out never knowing what to expect. I'm sold on electric only lakes and reservoirs and electric outboards regardless where they are made, haven't let me down yet.
The shark-face of your boat looks awesome! Where did you get the sticker or is it painted?
It's hand painted. There's videos of how I did it on my channel
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Thank you! I'll take a look how you did it 👍
I always thought both of these were overpriced but I also never realized they also contain their own internal battery which also explains why they are so big🤷♂️
Yeah and lithium on both which means you can get 2,000 plus charge cycles.
It would be cool to see an all electric boat build with some type of solar charger that will extend your run time and recharge your battery while your sitting over a brush pile fishing for crappie
The problem is solar charging takes too long. Sitting over that brush pile for a hour may charge the battery .005%. It's not immediate. It would take days of being in the sun to recharge, which is why solar works great on sailboats where electric motors are secondary units.
Thank you bro that was very informative and now you got me very interested in the motor that self recharge while using it to bone
No problem bro 👊
Nice video bro...what's the specs on that accessory battery in the front? Needing new batteries and I need three of them. At 55 lbs each, that is a bit lighter than what I'm currently running
Cool review Anthony, curious about what each one weighs though.
Torqeedo Travel is 38pds, Spirit 1.0 Plus 42pds
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Only 4 pounds difference, cool. Thanks Anthony!
Great comparison.
Appreciate it👊
Snazzy lil jon boat
great presentation
excellent documentation / camera work
'editing dept. gets an A
I'd think you'd know the weight of the boat
thanks
Thank you very much! Yes, I have an idea, and could guess but would hate to give misinformation until I actually weigh it..Thanks for watching and leaving positive feedback!